Author Topic: StockFresh - from Peter Hamza and Andras Pfaff (Read 276536 times)

weirdvis · « **Reply #425 on:** September 13, 2010, 07:35 »

clapper - You should be ashamed of yourself for making me look like a total idiot for asking those questions after what just happened at IS. If you think I am going to blindly trust ANY agency right now, you're the ignorant ones.

Believe me, you didn't need any help from me. BTW I'm not a clairvoyant nor am I party to your former dealings with agencies. Perhaps you should make your position clearer in future so that I can make a more informed reply.

dirkr · « **Reply #427 on:** September 13, 2010, 07:36 »

Quote from: cclapper on September 13, 2010, 07:31

Quote from: weirdvis on September 13, 2010, 07:23
Peter, you have your work cut out...

I really don't appreciate all of the sarcasm and the intonation that I am stupid.

You need to check around a little. Currently, my images, after they reach a certain age, automatically go into the FREE section at IS. There used to be an opt-out for that, but it magically disappeared a while back. I only found out about this after checking the FREE section on my own. Then I had to delete them all. Now, I have to check periodically to make sure there are none there.

You should be ashamed of yourself for making me look like a total idiot for asking those questions after what just happened at IS. If you think I am going to blindly trust ANY agency right now, you're the ignorant ones.

There is a free section on IS? When do images go there? Where do I have to check?

cathyslife · « **Reply #428 on:** September 13, 2010, 07:37 »

Quote from: weirdvis on September 13, 2010, 07:09

cclapper- Feeding traffic to Stockfresh is a pretty vague statement. Please clarify. Where do I get paid for my image

face/palm

You upload your images to Stockfresh. Stockfresh pays you. We stupid beggars at RGB are trying to help you to sell your images out of the kindness of our deluded hearts for no remuneration. What is so vague about that?

You must be making money of of your free site somehow. Don't treat me like I'm some stupid ass that just fell off the turnip truck. You know, like how Kelly Thompson is treating all of IS's contributors right now?

EDITED, sorry I mispoke. The dollar bin. You're all right, I am stupid. I don't know this RGB site and I don't know this weirdvis, this is the first time I've seen him post here. But I am really surprised at you, Peter. All I did was ask some questions and ask for an explanation.

Got my answer, done.

bittersweet · « **Reply #429 on:** September 13, 2010, 07:40 »

Quote from: peter_stockfresh on September 13, 2010, 07:35

Quote from: cclapper on September 13, 2010, 07:31
You need to check around a little. Currently, my images, after they reach a certain age, automatically go into the FREE section at IS.

Is there a free section on IS? I though there was only a dollar bin.

I was thinking the same thing. That's news to me. The only "free" images are those selected for FIOTW, or given away as part of a promo, IF you are opted into the PROMOTIONAL use. They aren't just randomly sending images to some free bin somewhere. If I am mistaken about this, please provide an example link, as I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one completely unaware of this.

weirdvis · « **Reply #430 on:** September 13, 2010, 07:40 »

Quote from: cclapper on September 13, 2010, 07:37

Quote from: weirdvis on September 13, 2010, 07:09
cclapper- Feeding traffic to Stockfresh is a pretty vague statement. Please clarify. Where do I get paid for my image

face/palm

You upload your images to Stockfresh. Stockfresh pays you. We stupid beggars at RGB are trying to help you to sell your images out of the kindness of our deluded hearts for no remuneration. What is so vague about that?

You must be making money of of your free site somehow. Don't treat me like I'm some stupid ass that just fell off the turnip truck. You know, like how Kelly Thompson is treating all of IS's contributors right now?

EDITED, sorry I mispoke. The dollar bin. You're all right, I am stupid. I don't know this RGB site and I don't know this weirdvis, this is the first time I've seen him post here. But I am really surprised at you, Peter. All I did was ask some questions and ask for an explanation.

Got my answer, done.

cathyslife · « **Reply #431 on:** September 13, 2010, 07:42 »

Quote from: whatalife on September 13, 2010, 07:40

Quote from: peter_stockfresh on September 13, 2010, 07:35
Quote from: cclapper on September 13, 2010, 07:31
You need to check around a little. Currently, my images, after they reach a certain age, automatically go into the FREE section at IS.

Is there a free section on IS? I though there was only a dollar bin.
I was thinking the same thing. That's news to me. The only "free" images are those selected for FIOTW, or given away as part of a promo, IF you are opted into the PROMOTIONAL use. They aren't just randomly sending images to some free bin somewhere. If I am mistaken about this, please provide an example link, as I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one completely unaware of this.

I am NOT opted into the promotional use and yet they STILL went to the dollar bin.

weirdvis · « **Reply #433 on:** September 13, 2010, 07:45 »

Quote from: cclapper on September 13, 2010, 07:37

Quote from: weirdvis on September 13, 2010, 07:09
cclapper- Feeding traffic to Stockfresh is a pretty vague statement. Please clarify. Where do I get paid for my image

face/palm

You upload your images to Stockfresh. Stockfresh pays you. We stupid beggars at RGB are trying to help you to sell your images out of the kindness of our deluded hearts for no remuneration. What is so vague about that?

You must be making money of of your free site somehow. Don't treat me like I'm some stupid ass that just fell off the turnip truck. You know, like how Kelly Thompson is treating all of IS's contributors right now?

EDITED, sorry I mispoke. The dollar bin. You're all right, I am stupid. I don't know this RGB site and I don't know this weirdvis, this is the first time I've seen him post here. But I am really surprised at you, Peter. All I did was ask some questions and ask for an explanation.

Got my answer, done.

RGB is a not-for-profit site. We make a microscopic income from adverts and everything else, including server and programming, is provided by a dedicated team of volunteers. We do it because we like giving instead of taking. It's the old SXC ethos. Peter understands where we're coming from. How's that turnip truck doing? Better mind those speed bumps...

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #434 on:** September 13, 2010, 07:49 »

Quote from: peter_stockfresh on September 13, 2010, 07:17

Exactly. They get paid for advertising us. That's all there is to it. They earn money which helps them keep their site alive and we get a lot of potential buyers which is good for us. This is how ALL the stock agencies operate.

Ah. So the owners of "RGB" get money for pimping pay sites, while the contributors get to give their work away for free.

Nice model.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #435 on:** September 13, 2010, 07:51 »

Quote from: cclapper on September 13, 2010, 07:31

You need to check around a little. Currently, my images, after they reach a certain age, automatically go into the FREE section at IS. There used to be an opt-out for that, but it magically disappeared a while back. I only found out about this after checking the FREE section on my own. Then I had to delete them all. Now, I have to check periodically to make sure there are none there.

~~I think you're imagining things. There is no free section on IS that old images fall into.~~

Never mind - I see you found the answer.

rubyroo · « **Reply #436 on:** September 13, 2010, 07:54 »

Just for the record Cathy... you didn't (and don't) look stupid. You had concerns so you raised a question, that's all.

FD · « **Reply #437 on:** September 13, 2010, 07:59 »

Quote from: weirdvis on September 13, 2010, 04:13

Just because we at RGB provide free images it does not make us either an enemy or a rival.

I heard from RGB for the first time in this thread. I still have loads of photos from my first cams (2 and 3MP) that aren't accepted any more. Is there any advantage of loading up free shots, and is 2MP allowed?
Advantage: would there be any possibility to have a link in your profile or whatever to our paying portfolio or site, so this can be counted as a reciprocal link by Google? What are the technical requirements in general?

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #438 on:** September 13, 2010, 08:01 »

Quote from: weirdvis on September 13, 2010, 07:45

RGB is a not-for-profit site. We make a microscopic income from adverts and everything else, including server and programming, is provided by a dedicated team of volunteers. We do it because we like giving instead of taking. It's the old SXC ethos. Peter understands where we're coming from. How's that turnip truck doing? Better mind those speed bumps...

Really? Where are you registered as a NPO? BTW, there's nothing that says an NPO doesn't compensate its "employees", so, people can still make a hefty income while working for an NPO.

Also, btw, you may want to revise this on your "About" page: "Our only source of income is from Google ads, and this small amount will be used for future maintenance and upgrades. "

FD · « **Reply #439 on:** September 13, 2010, 08:05 »

Quote from: sjlocke on September 13, 2010, 07:49

Ah. So the owners of "RGB" get money for pimping pay sites, while the contributors get to give their work away for free.
Nice model.

Yeah, its sounds almost like iStock for independents, give or take 15%

Microbius · « **Reply #440 on:** September 13, 2010, 08:06 »

Quote from: weirdvis on September 13, 2010, 07:45

You upload your images to Stockfresh. Stockfresh pays you. We stupid beggars at RGB are trying to help you to sell your images out of the kindness of our deluded hearts for no remuneration. What is so vague about that?

Thanks for choosing to link to a site that supports its contributors with a fair commission. I for one wish both RGB and Stockfresh both every success.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #441 on:** September 13, 2010, 08:08 »

Quote from: Microbius on September 13, 2010, 08:06

Quote from: weirdvis on September 13, 2010, 07:45
You upload your images to Stockfresh. Stockfresh pays you. We stupid beggars at RGB are trying to help you to sell your images out of the kindness of our deluded hearts for no remuneration. What is so vague about that?
Thanks for choosing to link to a site that supports its contributors with a fair commission. I for one wish both RGB and Stockfresh both every success.

Me too! Maybe next year, RGB can give out a 50% royalty raise to show IS what's what!

Actually, I see no reason not to wish success on StockFresh, aside from that it seems like you're just putting your hopes on "someone else" who can just eventually sell you out anyways.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #443 on:** September 13, 2010, 08:14 »

Quote from: peter_stockfresh on September 13, 2010, 08:09

Where do your bosses get their traffic from? Ever heard of stock.xchng (among others)? People happily share their work there with others just like the RGB guys because they want to get into stock or they just enjoy seeing their work everywhere. Or is it wrong because it's a direct competition of the site you're feeding off?

I'd say mostly google, where IS is #1 on a search for "stock photos". I don't see spending excessive effort to build up a base of "free" customers is a very smart move, sxc, rgb or otherwise. If they want to "get into stock" or "see their work everywhere", they can join a payg site. The contributor base on the micros are still an open shop, as long as you have some modicum of skill.

helix7 · « **Reply #444 on:** September 13, 2010, 08:15 »

Quote from: sjlocke on September 13, 2010, 07:49

Ah. So the owners of "RGB" get money for pimping pay sites, while the contributors get to give their work away for free.

Nice model.

And this is different from the istock/SXC relationship how exactly?

microstockphoto.co.uk · « **Reply #446 on:** September 13, 2010, 08:19 »

Free sites to redirect traffic are good in my opinion as long as:
1. contribution to free site is completely voluntary;
2. there aren't too many good pictures for free to distract buyers from paying for pictures;

StockFresh has now explained point 1 perfectly, so no concerns for me.

Point 2 is partly up to contributors (not to upload their best pictures for free), and partly up to buyers (how much time they can lose to search for good pictures among many not so good, and how much quality they're going to sacrifice in order to use a free picture). We must be careful about this.

E.g., if a certain amount of potential buyers are intercepted through a free site, some will be transferred to the linked payed for site, and some will just be happy with the free offer. This is completely positive for the linked site (more buyers) but possibily negative for contributors (less buyers on other sites).

I wouldn't like sites using their free counterpart to damage competitors more than to advantage contributors.

helix7 · « **Reply #447 on:** September 13, 2010, 08:20 »

Quote from: cclapper on September 13, 2010, 07:31

You should be ashamed of yourself for making me look like a total idiot for asking those questions after what just happened at IS. If you think I am going to blindly trust ANY agency right now, you're the ignorant ones.

Sorry, but I'm with Peter and everyone else on this one. You asked a rather silly question, one that could be answered with a little common sense or a minute's worth of research on your own. StockXpert images never got fed into SXC, ever, so there was no logical basis for you to assume that SF images would ever be transferred over to RGB.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #448 on:** September 13, 2010, 08:22 »

Quote from: helix7 on September 13, 2010, 08:15

Quote from: sjlocke on September 13, 2010, 07:49
Ah. So the owners of "RGB" get money for pimping pay sites, while the contributors get to give their work away for free.
Nice model.
And this is different from the istock/SXC relationship how exactly?

I don't think I said it was. However, technically, that IS and SXC are under the same parent, sxc can be seen as more of a promotional expenditure - it isn't there to "make money" per se, than an outside independent like RGB, whose owners are free to do whatever they like with the influx of monies, as miniscule as they are purported to be. I'm not a business major, so I may be way off. Either way, I don't particularly applaud sxc either.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #449 on:** September 13, 2010, 08:25 »

Quote from: peter_stockfresh on September 13, 2010, 08:19

Quote from: sjlocke on September 13, 2010, 08:14
I'd say mostly google, where IS is #1 on a search for "stock photos". I don't see spending excessive effort to build up a base of "free" customers is a very smart move, sxc, rgb or otherwise. If they want to "get into stock" or "see their work everywhere", they can join a payg site. The contributor base on the micros are still an open shop, as long as you have some modicum of skill.
That's true to some extent, but a LOT of people go to SXC for free photos (which is also usually #2 on google by the way) and THEN end up on istock. No wonder all the other agencies have some sort of deal with a free site. Best advertising you can ever get.

How do you control customer loss to "free"? Does rgb screen the incoming work to make sure it is not as good as anything on its partner sites? Where's the gain/loss line fall?

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