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« Reply #50 on: December 14, 2009, 19:29 »
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I couldn't wait until the 31st, I have opted out.  Probably wont get many subs downloads for the rest of the month and they might not remove them until the 31st anyway.


« Reply #51 on: December 14, 2009, 19:35 »
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I just opted out on both sites also.

« Reply #52 on: December 14, 2009, 19:51 »
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Boy, all that stuff is confusing.  Upload this here, or there, or what...

Yeah, very confusing.  For one thing they don't mention a category of people who are opted in to the StockXpert partner program but opted out of partner subs on istock. 




I was wondering about that too

When you go to StockXpert and view your portfolio chances are you will have a check mark pre-selecting a box opting you into the Getty Subscription.  De-selecting that box should opt you out of that program.  That's what I did!

« Reply #53 on: December 14, 2009, 19:57 »
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I too wondered if I opted out of StockXpert subs also.  To be honest, there aren't that many to be concerned about.  Are they killing their subs program or the whole site?

« Reply #54 on: December 14, 2009, 21:36 »
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I just went to opt out of the new Getty Subs site on StockXpert and noticed the opt in to subs on StockXpert option is gone.
Looks like once the content is transferred to the new Getty Subs site, StockXpert is going the way of the dinosaur.

I just did the same. I had a look at the past months and JIU + photos.com made more than half of my income at StockXpert. I have the impression that also StockXpert ppd is going down lately, as buyers might have been alarmed by the rumors and the lessened support.

Accepting 0.25$, it has been mentioned here before, will weaken the position of SS and DT in the sub market as the main non-Getty competitors. It's also clear that Getty wants to make a new site, not just take over JUI and let live, but sub buyers might be confused by the name and policy changes, and just try out and switch to SS which has most of StockXpert and iStock content already, plus more (minus iStock exclusives).

If most independents opt out of iStock and StockXpert subs, Getty's subs site will become a flop. It will take time to build it, and DT/SS have a large advantage content-wise as it is. StockXpert is virtually dead by all this turmoil (certainly affecting buyers), so the time spent uploading there at StockXpert can better be invested in iStock itself that gives good revenue after all.

« Reply #55 on: December 14, 2009, 21:46 »
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I too wondered if I opted out of StockXpert subs also.  To be honest, there aren't that many to be concerned about.  Are they killing their subs program or the whole site?

The StockXpert tick box has just gone. That can only mean that StockXpert subs will be phased out, and all (StockXpert, JIU) subs will be handled through the new Getty sub site. If you opt out there at StockXpert, all that will remain in 2010 are StockXpert ppd. Buyers were already advised a while ago to join iStock. In effect, this will kill StockXpert.

A view from the board room of StocXtanic.  ;D
« Last Edit: December 14, 2009, 21:53 by FD-amateur »

RacePhoto

« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2009, 01:20 »
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I too wondered if I opted out of StockXpert subs also.  To be honest, there aren't that many to be concerned about.  Are they killing their subs program or the whole site?

The StockXpert tick box has just gone. That can only mean that StockXpert subs will be phased out, and all (StockXpert, JIU) subs will be handled through the new Getty sub site. If you opt out there at StockXpert, all that will remain in 2010 are StockXpert ppd. Buyers were already advised a while ago to join iStock. In effect, this will kill StockXpert.

A view from the board room of StocXtanic.  ;D


Funny, but I was picturing the NGSS (new Getty sub site) as the Three Stooges running the StockXpert offices in the end game? The explanation of how your photos will come from StockXpert, maybe, or IS if you are there, but not IS if you are opted out, but you should upload to IS... It reads like a Chinese restaurant menu special, or something close to Who's on First!  :)

« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2009, 01:43 »
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One view of the situation...

lisafx

« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2009, 10:41 »
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Personal dislike for Hellman and Friedman seems to cloud your judgement, Lisa. 

What "personal dislike"?  I have never met anyone at H&F or Getty, nor Jon Oringer either, for that matter.  This is business, it isn't personal. 

Although for some reason, Warren, you keep trying to make it so. 

Maybe lets stick to the facts and stop insulting the judgment of the people you disagree with. ???

WarrenPrice

« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2009, 11:41 »
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Sorry, that was not intended as an insult.  Your quote left out a lot of my point ... none of them can be trusted. 
You are right.  We need to stick together.


graficallyminded

« Reply #60 on: December 15, 2009, 18:53 »
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I'm in Group Three, but the part about losing the partner program with our StockXpert port is nothing we haven't already known for at least 6 months now.  I, like many others, also have very few images on istock compared to stockxpert mostly due to the weekly upload cap.  Am I happy about this?  Not really.  Will I be losing a lot of money from this?  Probably hundreds each month.  Is it the end of the world?  Definitely not.

RacePhoto

« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2009, 16:59 »
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I'm in Group Three, but the part about losing the partner program with our StockXpert port is nothing we haven't already known for at least 6 months now.  I, like many others, also have very few images on istock compared to stockxpert mostly due to the weekly upload cap.  Am I happy about this?  Not really.  Will I be losing a lot of money from this?  Probably hundreds each month.  Is it the end of the world?  Definitely not.

But what of Group four, the one they forgot. I'd like to have my StockXpert photos moved to the new site, like the other people, not be penalized for having an IS account and not be penalized for being opted in for subscriptions and partners at IS. Oh thank you, because I've been working for you and have quality images on IS, I get penalized.

What do they offer for me? "If you had non-duplicated files opted into subscriptions on StockXpert, please feel free to upload them to your existing portfolio on iStockphoto to continue their subscription sales." Oh thanks I can take all the files that are on StockXpert and upload them to IS, 15 a week... where they will be refused.

But people in group one, who aren't on IS - "you do not have content on iStockphoto, your StockXpert content on JIUnlimited will be migrated automatically to the new site.

Squeak, Squeak, Squeak.  ;D

Payback for hard work and being an IS member is to have your StockXpert files ignored in the move. It doesn't seem right?

If I had known this I would have opted out of Partners at IS. That way my StockXpert photos would have been migrated.  ??? I can't understand how they decided to ignore the people who have been supporting their subscription and partner plan in favor of non-IS members?

« Last Edit: December 16, 2009, 17:03 by RacePhoto »

« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2009, 22:52 »
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http://fairtradephotographer.blogspot.com/2009/11/getty-images-youre-fired.html

It seems that the UK agency had placed my images with an agency based in South Africa who had then placed them with Getty Images.

« Reply #63 on: December 17, 2009, 07:10 »
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But what of Group four, the one they forgot. I'd like to have my StockXpert photos moved to the new site, like the other people, not be penalized for having an IS account and not be penalized for being opted in for subscriptions and partners at IS. Oh thank you, because I've been working for you and have quality images on IS, I get penalized.

It boils down to that. I am in group 4 (opted in on subs/EL at StockXpert - opted out of photos.com on IS). Hence my content on StockXpert will not be moved over automatically to GettySub, no, I will have to reupload these shots first to iStock and pass the stricter acceptance criteria there and go through the disambiguation process.

If I never had uploaded to IS, my StockXpert content would have been moved automatically. No sweat, no re-reviewing, no disambiguation. In fact, IS-StockXpert contributors are punished.

Adding insult to injury, JIU, Photos.com and StockXpert subs paid 0.30$, now those images would earn only 0.25$. JIU, photos.com and StockXpert subs made up 3/4 of my income on StockXpert. StockXpert's customers were already asked to move over to IS, so it can be expected that the few remaining StockXpert credit sales will go down further. I can't see any reason to upload further to StockXpert under these circumstances.

So in hindsight, the Getty acquisition of StockXpert was a hostile takeover with the purpose to shut them down, and to increase market share by acquiring the StockXpert customers. What Getty bought was not the portfolio and contributor assets of StockXpert, but their customers only.

« Reply #64 on: December 17, 2009, 10:59 »
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Very confusing. It appears I am in "Group 4" mentioned above. If I understand correctly, if I want my images my StockXpert ported to the new site (I'm on StockXpert (200+images) & IS (35 images), I need to opt out on IS or am I just stuck since I'm already a member on IS but with a slim to non-existent portfolio due primarily to their upload restrictions?

I'm getting a headache trying to sort through all of this ...  ::)


-Mark
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com
 

« Reply #65 on: December 17, 2009, 11:03 »
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primarily to their upload restrictions?

Member since November 2007... that's about 106 weeks... 15 uploads per week... let's see... LOL

(sorry, couldn't resist  ::))
« Last Edit: December 17, 2009, 11:07 by MichaelJay »

« Reply #66 on: December 17, 2009, 11:22 »
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Very confusing. It appears I am in "Group 4" mentioned above. If I understand correctly, if I want my images my StockXpert ported to the new site (I'm on StockXpert (200+images) & IS (35 images), I need to opt out on IS or am I just stuck since I'm already a member on IS but with a slim to non-existent portfolio due primarily to their upload restrictions?

I'm getting a headache trying to sort through all of this ...  ::)


-Mark
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com
 

Just opt out with StockXpert and istock and all your problems go away :)

« Reply #67 on: December 17, 2009, 12:09 »
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I'm in Group Three, but the part about losing the partner program with our StockXpert port is nothing we haven't already known for at least 6 months now.  I, like many others, also have very few images on istock compared to stockxpert mostly due to the weekly upload cap.  Am I happy about this?  Not really.  Will I be losing a lot of money from this?  Probably hundreds each month.  Is it the end of the world?  Definitely not.

But what of Group four, the one they forgot. I'd like to have my StockXpert photos moved to the new site, like the other people, not be penalized for having an IS account and not be penalized for being opted in for subscriptions and partners at IS. Oh thank you, because I've been working for you and have quality images on IS, I get penalized.

What do they offer for me? "If you had non-duplicated files opted into subscriptions on StockXpert, please feel free to upload them to your existing portfolio on iStockphoto to continue their subscription sales." Oh thanks I can take all the files that are on StockXpert and upload them to IS, 15 a week... where they will be refused.

But people in group one, who aren't on IS - "you do not have content on iStockphoto, your StockXpert content on JIUnlimited will be migrated automatically to the new site.

Squeak, Squeak, Squeak.  ;D

Payback for hard work and being an IS member is to have your StockXpert files ignored in the move. It doesn't seem right?

If I had known this I would have opted out of Partners at IS. That way my StockXpert photos would have been migrated.  ??? I can't understand how they decided to ignore the people who have been supporting their subscription and partner plan in favor of non-IS members?




This tell me that, at least for the next couple of mouths, the smart thing to do is to opt-out at IS until the transfer is complete . . . . .  then opt-in at IS after, if that is your intention.

Does that make sense?.

Dook

« Reply #68 on: December 17, 2009, 12:20 »
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Very confusing. It appears I am in "Group 4" mentioned above. If I understand correctly, if I want my images my StockXpert ported to the new site (I'm on StockXpert (200+images) & IS (35 images), I need to opt out on IS or am I just stuck since I'm already a member on IS but with a slim to non-existent portfolio due primarily to their upload restrictions?

I'm getting a headache trying to sort through all of this ...  ::)


-Mark
http://markwpayne.wordpress.com
 


Yes, you are stuck. they expect you to upload your pictures through Istock.

« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2009, 12:24 »
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Member since November 2007... that's about 106 weeks... 15 uploads per week... let's see... LOL

Naughty!  ;)

I only have 440 images on IS, not for the upload restrictions but for the simple fact I forgot them for a year. Now that StockXpert virtually is closing doors and I jumped out of CC, Veer and YAY, and I stopped uploading to a few others, I will use the freed time to upload more to IS. If that's what they want, that's what they'll get. Things happened, look forward, move on.

ap

« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2009, 14:35 »
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But what of Group four, the one they forgot. I'd like to have my StockXpert photos moved to the new site, like the other people, not be penalized for having an IS account and not be penalized for being opted in for subscriptions and partners at IS. Oh thank you, because I've been working for you and have quality images on IS, I get penalized.

What do they offer for me? "If you had non-duplicated files opted into subscriptions on StockXpert, please feel free to upload them to your existing portfolio on iStockphoto to continue their subscription sales." Oh thanks I can take all the files that are on StockXpert and upload them to IS, 15 a week... where they will be refused.

But people in group one, who aren't on IS - "you do not have content on iStockphoto, your StockXpert content on JIUnlimited will be migrated automatically to the new site.




This tell me that, at least for the next couple of mouths, the smart thing to do is to opt-out at IS until the transfer is complete . . . . .  then opt-in at IS after, if that is your intention.

Does that make sense?.

actually if you're a member of is and StockXpert, it doesn't really matter whether you opt in or out, at either site. if you want any of your StockXpert photos in the getty collection, you'll need to do it through your stock portfolio. the transfer of photos from StockXpert to getty is automatic only if you're not a member of is.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2009, 14:37 by ap »

« Reply #71 on: December 17, 2009, 14:53 »
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I don't know if this clears things up, but here is an exchange between an contributer and an StockXpert admin (Sep) from the StockXpert forum.

Contributer: I'm a bit confused, as the message seems to suggest that if you're NOT a member of istock and are opted in correctly at StockXpert, your images will be transferred automatically, but if you ARE a member of iStock, you have to put them through the iStock approval process (which restricts you to 15 uploads a week) in order to get them back on JIU - which would seem to penalise those who joined iStock, as recommended, by slowing down the reinstatement of their subs portfolios. Is that correct?

Sep:Actually JIU is being replaced by a new product in early 2010. If you are opted-in for subscriptions on StockXpert, your images will be on the new site.

Basically this only has to do with StockXpert images. If you are opted-in on StockXpert for subcriptions sales, keep it this way. If you do not want to have your images on the replacement site, you must opt-out here on StockXpert.

This only involves images in your portfolio on StockXpert, not the ones on iStock.


Contributer:Thanks SEb. Sorry, I should'n't have referred to the new product as JIU. My mistake.

I'm still confused though, as I fall into group three where it says:

"If you had
non-duplicated files opted into subscriptions on StockXpert, please feel free to
upload them to your existing portfolio on iStockphoto to continue their
subscription sales."

Doesn't that suggest that non-duplicated files have to be uploaded to iStock rather than being automatically transferred?

Very grateful for your help with this, as ever Seb.


Sep:There are a few reasons why they suggest that you upload to iStock non-duplicated images;

1- These images will benefit from Photos.com subscriptions sales. This is no longer the case with your StockXpert images.

2- I believe that all opted-in images on iStock will feed the new site. It is not the case with StockXpert images as iStock has (will) selected most but not all images to be transferred to the new site from StockXpert. There are chances that most but not all of your StockXpert images appear on the new site

RacePhoto

« Reply #72 on: December 17, 2009, 15:32 »
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This tell me that, at least for the next couple of mouths, the smart thing to do is to opt-out at IS until the transfer is complete . . . . .  then opt-in at IS after, if that is your intention.

Does that make sense?.

It would except they did the first transfer Nov. 5th. so it's done. They matched accounts by email addresses, in which case (had we known in advance) we could have changed that and had the photos moved over from StockXpert. So yes, good idea in theory, too late.  ;D

This is important, if I understand it right: Moderator - I believe that all opted-in images on iStock will feed the new site. It is not the case with StockXpert images as iStock has (will) selected most but not all images to be transferred to the new site from StockXpert.

Something tells me that the most but not all will be like Snap Village to Veer, where more than some select accounts and photos were not transferred.

In my case the photos that StockXpert accepted an IS won't, may be better off going into limbo forever.  ;D

At first I thought I'd be losing effort and sales, but considering how they haven't sold on StockXpert, I guess it can't be that important. I still would have rather had them transferred and languishing on the sub site, than just going away, but that's life.

Here are the groups:

1: you can't get your photos accepted at IS or failed the IS submission test, but you uploaded to StockXpert. We're taking your StockXpert photos.

2: you don't care about subs and opted out of them at IS because you don't want your photos sold for pennies. We're taking your StockXpert photos.

3: You allowed subscriptions, submitted to both sites, supported our partner program on IS and have files on both sites. Your StockXpert photos can go suck eggs, but feel free to re-upload 15 a week for rejection, until you get bored. We appreciate your loyalty and past contributions!  >:(

« Reply #73 on: December 17, 2009, 16:21 »
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This tell me that, at least for the next couple of mouths, the smart thing to do is to opt-out at IS until the transfer is complete . . . . .  then opt-in at IS after, if that is your intention.

Does that make sense?.


Here are the groups:

1: you can't get your photos accepted at IS or failed the IS submission test, but you uploaded to StockXpert. We're taking your StockXpert photos.

2: you don't care about subs and opted out of them at IS because you don't want your photos sold for pennies. We're taking your StockXpert photos.

3: You allowed subscriptions, submitted to both sites, supported our partner program on IS and have files on both sites. Your StockXpert photos can go suck eggs, but feel free to re-upload 15 a week for rejection, until you get bored. We appreciate your loyalty and past contributions!  >:(



Well stated, that's it  . . . . . . . say it ain't so, Joe.

« Reply #74 on: December 17, 2009, 17:53 »
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http://fairtradephotographer.blogspot.com/2009/11/getty-images-youre-fired.html

It seems that the UK agency had placed my images with an agency based in South Africa who had then placed them with Getty Images.


I think that you should give NAME of that UK agency so we know confidentiality to where not to upload?


 

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