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« on: October 05, 2007, 06:27 »
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The image below has the following keywords:

1940-1980 abandoned action adult advertisement air airplane airplane algorithm alternative angle announcement antique architecture arms arrow artificial back backgrond bad banner baroque barren beam beautiful beauty bizarre blade body botany branch bubble buddhism burnt bush business butterfly cartouche chaos child circle classic clip coat coil coiled cold color colored communications complexity composite concepts condition conservation cool copy cracked creation cross culture damaged dance dark day de dead deflated defocused deformed depth development distorted dividing dizzy dreaming dreams drop energy environment environmental exploding faded falling fashion fiber fibonacci figurine fine flame flash fleur floral flower fly flying foliagг foliage footpath forecasting forest form four fragility frame fun funky galaxy gallery garbage garden geometric geometry glass global glowing gothic graffiti grafic grass green group growth halloween heat helix high hippie horror house icon ideas idyllic igniting illness imagery imagination in industrial industry infinity insignia interior intricacy kitsch label larry laser lasershow leaking life liquid lush lys material mathematical mathematics medicine meditating mental message messy micro mid-air military monochrome moving multi multi-layered museum music narcotic nautilus net netting nouveau nova objects obsolete ocean old old-fashioned orange organism organized ornamental over painted part peeling people perfection periodic photographic piazza placard planet plant plastic poster presentation product projection prop psychedelic pump purple rag rainforest ray reality red remote renaissance render rendered repeat repetition retro retro-styled revival ring rock rocket roof room row run-down runs sailing scene science screen scroll sea senior serene sharp shell shiny ship shivering shredded silhouette simulator single sky small smell smoke smooth smudged softness sparse speed spiked spiral splashing splattered spooky spotted spray spring stain stained stream striped style sunbeam table tall technician tek tentacle text textile ticket torn tranquil tree triangle tropical tube turning twisted unpleasant up urban vek vibrant victorian vine virtual visual vitality waiting warrior wave waving weather white woods yellow youth zen-like zoom

http://www.stockxpert.com/browse.phtml?f=view&id=4951811

« Last Edit: October 05, 2007, 16:53 by StockManiac »


« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2007, 06:48 »
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he mist christmas .... ....

« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2007, 06:51 »
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I guess it depends on your imagination. if you look carefully you could see almost all of this in the file ;D
impressive work,looks like it has the whole context of an English dictionary as kw.

edit: btw no wonder he is very a creative person as you can see from his work.I don't think he needs to get that creative with keywording though as his work  is already excellent.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2007, 07:06 by stokfoto »

« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2007, 08:46 »
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Wow!  Have any words been missed?  :o

« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2007, 09:28 »
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He could add banana, toast, razorblade, zebra, tulip, peacock, milk, cresanthemum.

Would make about as much sense as those already there :)

« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2007, 11:06 »
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Terrific keywords! 10/10 for creativity.

But what's the picture of?

« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2007, 13:05 »
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Such portfolios should be disabled....  :o

Patrick.

« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2007, 13:28 »
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They have 7 more images with the same keywords.  ???

« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2007, 13:55 »
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wow how long did they spend keywording, or did they just copy and paste a dictionary?

« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2007, 13:59 »
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wow how long did they spend keywording, or did they just copy and paste a dictionary?

If that's the case then they missed aardvark ... (anyone knowing "Blackadder" here? :D)

« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2007, 14:35 »
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Is there a list of most popular keywords somewhere? Maybe that's how they got such a varied list of keywords.

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2007, 15:49 »
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it would be fun trying to pick the 7 most important for fotolia  ;D

« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2007, 06:22 »
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steve-oh:

I just noticed that this image still has loads of keywords that seem to be irrelevant to the image.

As a matter of fact, this image has over 300 keywords!

Isn't StockXpert going to do anything about this???

« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2007, 06:27 »
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has anyone notified them?

« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2007, 08:04 »
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Sorry, must have missed this thread. I'll notify the review team.

Thanks!
-Steve

« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2007, 14:46 »
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LOL LOL    and they actually shot me down for "keyword spamming-keyword not relevant"  for having the keywords  "Half Dome"   listed for the mountain out in Yosemite that is named... ah,   "Half Dome"....   LOL   LOL   

« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2007, 15:26 »
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OMG, uploaded Sept 25 and already 46 dls.   Maybe all those people looking for the keyword "garbage" or "ocean" or "technician" thought it was fabulous.  LOL. 

« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2007, 16:04 »
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I see another of their images uploaded the same day has 74 dowloads already. Impressive images and it's good to see it's possible to get so many downloads, but it's still frustrating that someone can get away with such obvious keyword spamming. I don't even know what some of them mean  ::)

« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2007, 11:15 »
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And still nothing has been done on this obvious spamming... :o
Patrick.

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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2007, 12:15 »
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This is really funny. I just had an image rejected for keyword spamming. All I could figure out is that it was rejected for having "in, and, or" as keywords. Dummy me... little did I know you could add everything else besides in/and/or and get approved.

« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2007, 12:53 »
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I think every site should have some kind of  inaccurate keywords reporting system.I know  IS has it but  I don't know if it really works there.I mean there should be system not just for the sake of it but a system that works  and  although it is not our job to do  but  many of us would volunteer reporting them when we come across one.
as for reporting this case has been really disappointing example even though it was publicly reported  yet no action has been taken.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2007, 12:56 by stokfoto »

« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2007, 11:32 »
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it seems like nothing has been done yet to remove irrelevant words from his/her portfolio he still has hundreds of irrelevant keywords which makes it look like StockXpert tolerates keyword spamming.

« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2007, 12:03 »
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When I started considering selling my images on microstock sites about two months ago, I read a few articles, in which people said how important it was to enter as much keywords as possible to every image.

So, finally, I can see what they meant  ;D

...By the way - I checked and found out that it is possible to put keywords to your images additionally on SX, so maybe this is how these people do it: they attach a reasonable number of keywords to their images PRIOR TO the approval process, and add those dozens and dozens of inappropriate ones later...


« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2007, 12:45 »
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...By the way - I checked and found out that it is possible to put keywords to your images additionally on SX, so maybe this is how these people do it: ...
I regularly revisit the keywords of images that I consider to be underselling, and wish that every site allowed me this option. Of the sites I use, only IS, SS, DT, StockXpert, and 123 permit this.

« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2007, 13:36 »
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I agree with sharply_ done,it's good to have the option to add or remove keywords after approval  and it doesn't have to be seen as an opportunity keyword spam (not referring to anyone)

« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2007, 13:37 »
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I agree with sharply_ done,it's good to have the option to add or remove keywords after approval  and it doesn't have to be seen as an opportunity to keyword spam (not referring to anyone)

« Last Edit: November 18, 2007, 14:08 by stokfoto »

« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2007, 14:00 »
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My remark was not intended to indicate that it was BAD to have such option. I just pointed out the fact that (and how) it may have been misused in the example above, meaning that the reviewing editors are probably not to blame for letting this happen (my guess)...
« Last Edit: November 18, 2007, 14:10 by Rozmaryna »

« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2007, 14:13 »
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My remark was not intended to indicate that it was bad to have such option - I have used it myself to correct some misspelled words on DT. I just pointed out the fact that (and how) it could have been be misused in the example above...

I didn't mean you were referring that.yes you are right some people could use this a mean of adding irrelevant keywords to their approved files ,but in this particular  example(no matter how he did it  before or after the approval) even though it has  been reported so many times nothing has been done so far to stop him from doing this,which is the most disappointing especially knowing that some members of this forum got their work rejected for some borderline keywords that were considered as spamming by StockXpert.

« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2007, 14:13 »
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Steve-oh:

What is going on with this?

This was reported over a month and a half ago and yet nothing seems to have been done.

Besides this image, the contributor has lots more just like this.  Is this allowable?  If so, I have a lot of keywording to do on StockXpert.

« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2007, 14:30 »
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No. It's not allowed. I reported it, and the user was sent a warning. Guess it's time to follow up again. Sigh.


« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2007, 15:56 »
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uummmmm.... yes... yes for $200 alex!

« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2007, 17:18 »
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If that's the case then they missed aardvark ... (anyone knowing "Blackadder" here? :D)

we talking the tv comedy  (3 times)  Blackadder?   ...... 8)=tom

« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2007, 14:22 »
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No. It's not allowed. I reported it, and the user was sent a warning. Guess it's time to follow up again. Sigh.


Well, it seems that this problem goes much deeper than anyone initially thought.  This contributor seems to have multiple aliases on StockXpert and seems to be spamming most of his/her other images.

For example, check out these two images, which are from two different contributors, but appear to be the exact same image (except for some slightly different coloring).  And both of the images contain 100s of keywords:

http://www.stockxpert.com/browse.phtml?f=view&id=4951791



http://www.stockxpert.com/browse.phtml?f=view&id=6024091



Or how about these two images which look extremely similar (and might have the same model):

http://www.stockxpert.com/browse.phtml?f=view&id=5141381



http://www.stockxpert.com/browse.phtml?f=view&id=766767



It also looks like one of the contributors has been removing his images from one account (to possibly close it out) and moving them to another account.

« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2007, 14:55 »
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Wow!

I am simply amazed that this is still happening almost two months later.

I am even more amazed that nobody else seems to care.

« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2007, 16:43 »
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Have you reported this to Steve SM?  Perhaps send him a PM on the StockXpert site.

I see he's also getting a huge number of initial downloads, so he's probably playing the multiple account/ramp the dl game.  Frankly, behaviour like this is downright dishonest.

We must all strive to get rid of problems like this.

Get him removed and banned please Steve.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2007, 16:45 by hatman12 »

« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2007, 17:02 »
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we talking the tv comedy  (3 times)  Blackadder?

Yep, it's Blackadder's 3rd season, the "Ink and Incapability" episode. :)

Sorry for the OT!

« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2007, 17:41 »
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we talking the tv comedy  (3 times)  Blackadder?

Yep, it's Blackadder's 3rd season, the "Ink and Incapability" episode. :)

Sorry for the OT!

been awhile.... I'll have to go dig thru my old VHS tapes and find and rewatch!!    LOL 

« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2007, 17:43 »
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I'll bet if we all go in and jam 200 kw's on each our pictures we'll get some attention paid to it.... LOL     Maybe, just cut and paste his kw's  ...seems to be working great for him.....

« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2007, 21:04 »
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And to top it all off if you take letters in the 89th, 102nd, 135th, 187th, and 203rd positions, multiply by 666, the take the first five letters from the corresponding numerical positions you spell SATAN!!

« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2007, 18:47 »
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Why do all of you people care about the way Lione, or anyone else, keywords their images?

« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2007, 18:49 »
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Why do all of you people care about the way Lione, or anyone else, keywords their images?

It gives their files an unfair advantage because they are abusing the system.

« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2007, 19:00 »
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It seems to me he has figured out something you haven't and your jealous.  Who died and made you the keyword police?

« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2007, 19:22 »
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It seems to me he has figured out something you haven't and your jealous.  Who died and made you the keyword police?

umm, because if he can do it, then others say I have to do it too, so that my pics show up or they say well it is working for him I am going to do it too, then there is a million+ images with 300++ keywords and buyers search for something specific like and aardvark, find 20000+ abstract images and say stuff this I'm going elsewhere and the site dies.

« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2007, 20:05 »
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Quite right RP - keyword spamming is bad for business.  For everyone.

How long would people use a search engine for if all it does is throw up ridiculous and completely irrelevant results?  Not long - they'd get fed up and simply stop using it.

Well it's the same in stock photos.  Keyword spammers ruin the business for everyone.  Customers get fed up and go elsewhere.

« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2007, 21:18 »
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Quite right RP - keyword spamming is bad for business.  For everyone.

How long would people use a search engine for if all it does is throw up ridiculous and completely irrelevant results?  Not long - they'd get fed up and simply stop using it.

Well it's the same in stock photos.  Keyword spammers ruin the business for everyone.  Customers get fed up and go elsewhere.

Amen... RP & Hatman, you are both dead on!!!  And as for keyword police.....  where the flip is the StockXpert keyword police?  How many times does the rank and file have to complain about it?  Steve ........ Seems to me the solution for StockXpert is simple....
       "delete".     If ya can't follow the rules you should be thrown out of the game! 
     The only thing worse than the guy that can't follow the rules is the guy who thinks that guy who breaks the rules is cool!!   Wow... he's so cool, he thought of something none of the rest of us could.....   oh my.... how flippin jealous I am..... oh my......
            what?   spamming the crap out of his portfolio..   that's flippin original and and took a lot of brains! wow, he's so far out ahead of us stupid moronic people......  (please read with extreme sarcasm)   

StockXpert should 86 the guys portfolio.  And the longer they take to do it or to bring the guy in line with the rules....   the more they will be ticking off customers and ..... the rest of us who follow the rules. 

Yeah, the longer they take to correct it... the more StockXpert is sending a message to all of usPlease... spam . out of every picture you have.... it's okay, go ahead...
because obviously... we don't give a crap...
..}     -tom

« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2007, 21:25 »
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Larry?  He used the keyword Larry?!   Curly, Moe...where for art thou?  :-\

« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2007, 21:38 »
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Larry?  He used the keyword Larry?!   Curly, Moe...where for art thou?  :-\

and...... don't forget  curly joe and shemp....  LOL     8)=tom


hey, I was wondering....  do you think if I add the keywords     "Naked Women"  and "Free Beer"  to all my pix.... I might  get more views????
« Last Edit: December 04, 2007, 21:41 by a.k.a.-tom »

« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2007, 23:48 »
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By coincidence I was just doing a search at StockXpert to check that my images were appearing okay.  Sadly, I couldn't get past THIS image which naturally cropped up everywhere:



Here are the keywords:

1940-1980 abandoned action adult advertisement air airplane airplane airplane airplane airplane airplane airplane airplane algorithm alternative angle announcement antique architecture arms arrow artificial back backgrond bad banner baroque barren beam beautiful beauty bizarre blade body botany branch bubble buddhism burnt bush business butterfly cartouche chaos child circle classic clip coat coil coiled cold color colored communications complexity composite concepts condition conservation cool copy cracked creation cross culture damaged dance dark day de dead deflated defocused deformed depth development distorted dividing dizzy dreaming dreams drop energy environment environmental exploding faded falling fashion fiber fibonacci figurine fine flame flash fleur floral flower flower fly fly flying flying footpath footpath forecasting forecasting forest forest form form four four fragility fragility frame frame fun fun funky funky galaxy galaxy gallery gallery garbage garbage garden garden geometric geometric geometry geometry glass glass global global glowing glowing gothic gothic graffiti graffiti grafic grafic grass grass green green group group growth growth halloween halloween heat heat helix helix high high hippie hippie horror horror house house icon icon ideas ideas idyllic idyllic igniting igniting illness illness imagery imagery imagination imagination in in industrial industrial industry industry infinity infinity insignia insignia interior interior intricacy intricacy kitsch kitsch label label larry larry laser laser lasershow lasershow leaking leaking life life liquid liquid lush lush lys lys material material mathematical mathematical mathematics mathematics medicine medicine meditating meditating mental mental message message messy messy micro micro mid-air mid-air military military monochrome monochrome moving moving multi multi multi-layered multi-layered museum museum music music narcotic narcotic nautilus nautilus net net netting netting nouveau nouveau nova nova objects objects obsolete obsolete ocean ocean old old old-fashioned old-fashioned orange orange organism organism organized organized ornamental ornamental over over painted painted part part peeling peeling people people perfection perfection periodic periodic photographic photographic piazza piazza placard placard planet planet plant plant plastic plastic poster poster presentation presentation product product projection projection prop prop psychedelic psychedelic pump pump purple purple rag rag rainforest rainforest ray ray reality reality red red remote remote renaissance renaissance render render rendered rendered repeat repeat repetition repetition retro retro retro-styled retro-styled revival revival ring ring rock rock rocket rocket roof roof room room row row run-down run-down runs runs sailing sailing scene scene science science screen screen scroll scroll sea sea senior senior serene serene sharp sharp shell shell shiny shiny ship ship shivering shivering shredded shredded silhouette silhouette simulator simulator single single sky sky small small smell smell smoke smoke smooth smooth smudged smudged softness softness sparse sparse speed speed spiked spiked spiral spiral splashing splashing splattered splattered spooky spooky spotted spotted spray spray spring spring stain stain stained stained stream stream striped striped style style sunbeam sunbeam table tall technician tek tentacle text textile ticket torn tranquil tree triangle tropical tube turning twisted unpleasant up urban vek vibrant victorian vine virtual visual vitality waiting warrior wave waving weather white woods yellow youth zen-like zoom

« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2007, 00:59 »
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Same guy, no doubt?  I don't see spotted anywhere in that image. ;D

I have to ask myself though, how on earth would you ever properly keyword an image like that?

« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2007, 01:39 »
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It seems to me he has figured out something you haven't and your jealous.  Who died and made you the keyword police?

Maybe these are redhat's images as he's so defensive about them.  Anyone with a minimum of sense would could see that it is so wrong to keyword like this.

« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2007, 01:48 »
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It seems StockXpert is not going to do something about this obvious keyword spamming.

I have a suggestion, we all start adding a huge amount of keywords to our pictures, don't bother if they make sence or not.... now let's see how long this guy can keep up this practice.

And in the mean time our pictures would have more exposure because of the very good keywords. ;D

Patrick.

« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2007, 03:50 »
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It's unfortunate that the practice of using irrelevant key wording exits on any website.
However, consider the fact that any stock photography company is free to practice and
set policy as they see fit.

We must remember that we are guest contributors of any stock site we submit too. We exist
as contributors at the pleasure of any site that will host our images. I know from experience
rocking the boat does more harm than good.

Your request for action can be seen as inappropriate, and harmful to the site you're partitioning.
Be careful you are not violating any terms of agreement you may have with the site you wish to
target.

My advice is to contact the site's support team and voice a complaint before you sound off, and put
your account in jeopardy. Be conservative, and realize it is not your place to set policy or call negative
attention to any site that is hosting your images.

Good luck,
The MIZ

« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2007, 04:14 »
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It's unfortunate that the practice of using irrelevant key wording exits on any website.
However, consider the fact that any stock photography company is free to practice and
set policy as they see fit.

We must remember that we are guest contributors of any stock site we submit too. We exist
as contributors at the pleasure of any site that will host our images. I know from experience
rocking the boat does more harm than good.

Your request for action can be seen as inappropriate, and harmful to the site you're partitioning.
Be careful you are not violating any terms of agreement you may have with the site you wish to
target.

My advice is to contact the site's support team and voice a complaint before you sound off, and put
your account in jeopardy. Be conservative, and realize it is not your place to set policy or call negative
attention to any site that is hosting your images.

Good luck,
The MIZ


Numerous complaints have been done.... and nothing has been done by the site admins to this practice....

If you learn to read between the line than you will have noticed that i was not saying we should all start doing it.... just a sarcastic remark... nothing more.

Patrick.

« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2007, 06:44 »
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Numerous complaints have been done.... and nothing has been done by the site admins to this practice....

If you learn to read between the line than you will have noticed that i was not saying we should all start doing it.... just a sarcastic remark... nothing more.

Patrick.

As are my comments about flooding every one of my pictures with spam!   Sarcasm. 

However....  I do not view it as negative to complain and yes, even rant about this event.   StockXpert has rules....  to allow a few to break those rules so publicly happens to be in violation of the law in the U.S.   and... any lawyer worth a pinch of salt could have a field day with discrimination suits if they cared to.  To reject my images or your images for keyword spamming and then allow this clown to do what he is doing is...
    discrimination.  Period.   

And don't take this wrong either...  beyond a few rants here.... it isn't worth my time or energy to  sue any micro site over   Bull___t.   I can vote with my portfolio.....and leave. 

By allowing this clown to continue with what he is doing... StockXpert is only showing the true    integrity   of their own business vision.

If they bend the rules here to suit their purpose and that of a select few,  who knows what  other rules they may be bending?  This only makes the rest of us raise question in our minds........  am I dealing with a company I can really trust?

Time will tell.  But really, how much time does it take to correct this issue.  It's  not like they have to spend $$$ searching for the spam... the folks here have been pointing to it for....... months... now.

Why no action?  That's the question.... 

If the answer is    "it's my football, my rules and how and when I want to apply the rules.."     then this isn't a business of integrity... and I'd make a different decision about my future with it.    8)=tom

   

« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2007, 10:16 »
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redhat is not Lione, I wish I knew how to make images like that.  Now think about this, what if Lione makes one sale because of each keyword, is that wrong?  Just because a few people on microstockgroup.com see life, forest and cool as invalid keywords for this image does not mean that a customer will see them as invalid.  I think everyone should worry about their own images and let Lione worry about his or her images.  If Stockxpert has a limit on the number of keywords allowed then it is Stockxpert's and Lione's problem.

« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2007, 10:26 »
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It is our problem because if StockXpert don't do something about this, everyone with appropriate keywords will find it hard to get their images seen.  This might put customers off StockXpert when they search for "forest" and have 500 photos of something else.  This could reduce our earnings.  StockXpert should sort this out, as it is going to damage them in the long run.

« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2007, 11:00 »
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SS has the right idea with a 50 keyword limit.  Lione is known as PhotoPrince at SS, and there's no keyword spam from what I can see in him portfolio.

http://www.shutterstock.com/gallery-84354p1.html

« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2007, 11:10 »
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I buy from time to time, and I get very annoyed when looking for something like "smiling woman sitting" and return head and shoulders of someone who is very clearly not smiling.  If you search for smiling half of the returns are not smiling at all, but photos in a series that the photographer was too lazy to check the keywords after he cut and paste.

To be fair - like I asked before, how the heck do you keyword an illustration like that anyway?  What does it represent?  All I know is if I was looking for an airplane or a hippie I would be ticked if thirty shots like this came up first.  I have a problem hitting the keyword spam button too - it seems like betraying the brotherhood or something.  I'll let the full time designers do that.

« Reply #58 on: December 05, 2007, 14:52 »
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Keyword spamming continues to go on for the very reason that is proven here. It gets your image seen with a better chance of sales.

How many of you would be doing the same if you weren't worried about getting caught and your account disabled?

With sites controlling what is seen and not seen you can be sure that many are going to spam in order to make sales. These are the hustlers and they'll make money before they are caught. Then they will just open a new account and begin again.

Personally, I'm more concerned about sites controlling image rank and placement than I am about how someone else sells their work.

And, if the site is making good sales off the image do you really think they care?

« Reply #59 on: December 05, 2007, 15:33 »
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if the site is making good sales off the image do you really think they care?

They may not care, but it is doing them more hurt than sales.

Go to StockXpert and key in the word hippie.  I don't know about you, but I would expect to see on the first row some long haired, peace loving homo sapiens, but 8 images on the first page are by lione and one is by photoprince (who I would guess is the same contributor - or major keyword stealer).

If I was thinking about going to StockXpert from Istock and this is how my first few search results went, I certainly wouldn't stay long enough to buy credits. 

« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2007, 16:07 »
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I can't imagine when I would use one word to find an image. This is just asking for thousands of non-related images.

Those that know how to use a search engine aren't having a hard time finding what they're looking for. On occasion you will see someone post to a micro forum about having a hard time finding an image and usually it's due to them not keying in the proper words to find the image.

« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2007, 17:13 »
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Keyword spamming continues to go on for the very reason that is proven here. It gets your image seen with a better chance of sales.

How many of you would be doing the same if you weren't worried about getting caught and your account disabled?

With sites controlling what is seen and not seen you can be sure that many are going to spam in order to make sales. These are the hustlers and they'll make money before they are caught. Then they will just open a new account and begin again.

Personally, I'm more concerned about sites controlling image rank and placement than I am about how someone else sells their work.

And, if the site is making good sales off the image do you really think they care?

Not to offend.........but...

Do we not rob the corner deli............  for fear of being caught?
Do we not do 75 in a 25 zone .......... for fear of being caught?
Do we not  write cheat notes up and down our arms for the final exam... for fear of being caught?
Do we not punch out our boss .... for fear of being caught?
Do we not shoot the person we hate most ... for fear of being caught?
Do we not bomb the the offices of any organization we think is satan personified.... ... for fear of  being caught?
Do we not pay our taxes ............for fear of being caught?

Yeah....  not quite the same as keyword spamming.....

But the principle is the same!!!

Most of us living on the planet don't do those things because they are
socially, legally or morally wrong!!!
  We do not do it simply because the person in authority has asked us not to... thus we have opportunity to show our level of integrity to our fellow humans.

would some do it? does fear stop some?  no doubt. 
However,  most of us don't do it because..... we are not supposed to!  Not because we're   ...afraid......

Just because these  "huslters'  go about making money this way.. and then cheat their ways into another account to do it all over again...
doesn't make them any less the scumbag!

And any that  'admire'  them....  or wink an eye at them....  do not have much more integrity than they do.

We don't do it because it's wrong!  Period.

The day they change the damned rule and say you can have 200 thousand keywords... THEN.... maybe the majority of us might add them!! 
« Last Edit: December 05, 2007, 17:17 by a.k.a.-tom »

« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2007, 17:53 »
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I agree such obvious spamming should be punished.  One thing is stretching a concept, another is what we see in these examples. 

If this goes one, more and more people will do that and searches will be useless.  Buyers will move away. I wished StockXpert would be attentive to that.

That's why I in fact liked BigStock policy of not allowing keyword edition, but then many inspectors clearly did not analyse keywords.  I think now only FT does not allow editions?  I don't know however if they check keywords in inspection.

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #63 on: December 06, 2007, 07:43 »
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he is still there with all his spamming business.I think he has been tolerated far too long and too much. is it  because his work sells no matter how he does it.
is StockXpert aware of that this issue damages it's reputation very  badly?

« Reply #64 on: December 06, 2007, 09:51 »
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Hi guys.

Sorry for not responding sooner. We are aware of this. We are going to take action, and I'm in the process of putting together a proposal to address this issue.

Thanks!
-Steve

« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2007, 11:03 »
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Not to offend.........but...

Do we not rob the corner deli............  for fear of being caught?
Do we not do 75 in a 25 zone .......... for fear of being caught?
Do we not  write cheat notes up and down our arms for the final exam... for fear of being caught?
Do we not punch out our boss .... for fear of being caught?
Do we not shoot the person we hate most ... for fear of being caught?
Do we not bomb the the offices of any organization we think is satan personified.... ... for fear of  being caught?
Do we not pay our taxes ............for fear of being caught?

Yeah....  not quite the same as keyword spamming.....

Exactly

But the principle is the same!!!


Don't holler at me. If you were talking to me in person would you shout like this?.

Most of us living on the planet don't do those things because they are
socially, legally or morally wrong!!!
  We do not do it simply because the person in authority has asked us not to... thus we have opportunity to show our level of integrity to our fellow humans.

<<snip>>

[[/quote]

Sounds good but sadly it ain't the truth in the world or in microstock land.

« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2007, 18:49 »
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ManicBlu
Not talking to you directly......and not shouting....  I do considerable public speaking to groups of hundreds on a weekly basis. It's my job. Bold lettering can also highlight the jist of the non-verbal communication and should not be immediately taken as being hollered at. 

If you want to take it personal, that's your call... if you find it offensive, let me know why those statements offend you. If you were offended,  my apologies.

As you pointed out ( and as I did say in the first place)
yes, spamming is not murder.... but the principle  is the same.  If an authority figure, be it the gov't of the land,  or the owner of a stock site sets down rules and regulations... people of integrity (who have agreed to abide by the rules of said stock site when they clicked to join) ...obey what is requested of them. They don't do it out of fear of being caught.  They don't do it because they gave their word that they would do as the rules said when they clicked "agreed".

I am sure you would never consider murdering any one ...or robbing the local market, ...kidnapping someones child.. why? I am sure it is because you have a  conscience, moral values and integrity and are a responsible person...    Not because you are afraid you might get caught.   And, it's that simple.

That is the point I am making.  This person does what he/she does because he/she doesn't care about being responsible and they don't care about the consequences of their actions. Those consequences are not relevant to him/her as long as in the short term, they get their cash. He/she makes out better because most folks WON'T do what he/she does. 

One reply to your final comment.... Sounds good but sadly it ain't the truth in the world or in microstock land.

I have found in the time I've been a member here, that for the most part, folks around here do have integrity.  Just reading the comments they make it is obvious what they all think of this individual and what he/she is doing.  And obvious too,  they wouldn't do it. And finally.... judging from their comments, the reason they wouldn't do it, isn't  out of fear of being caught.  They won't do it because it is wrong on many levels.

Thanks for your feedback.   8)=tom



« Last Edit: December 06, 2007, 19:03 by a.k.a.-tom »

« Reply #67 on: December 07, 2007, 08:48 »
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I still disagree with your thoughts, Tom, although I do agree that it would be a better world if they were true.

Whether they're trying to make a dollar or a euro most people (I believe) rather than the handfull you see on forums see this issue as one of "All's fair in love and war" rather than an issue of integrity.

This doesn't mean it's right but it's the way of things. People will scam, spam, manipulate, cajole, pretend, lie, use and abuse the system and other people in order to get their files to the top of the pile. Why? Because they are trying to make money and in many cases they know their files will be buried otherwise.

I'm all for integrity and do have my own standards that I live by but I also believe site owners, administrator and inspectors should have integrity as well. If a person believes they are being abused by the system and they are powerless to stop it they will either quit the game because of their integrity or do battle in whatever way they can.

I am not arguing with you. My view of the world and it's inhabitants is just very different.



« Reply #68 on: December 07, 2007, 17:01 »
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Fair enough, I can respect that.  We seem to agree and yet at the same time disagree. Seems it's only a matter of our individual perspectives and that's.. okay.
   
I see you've been onboard MSG since april but are still a 'Newbie'....  Nice to see your comments and hear your viewpoints.  Please continue, comment more...get out of that newbie status.. LOL
ManicBlu....... in my 59 years of life there has been many times my opinion has changed because someone such as yourself has given me a perspective I had never considered. I have no problem with folks challenging my opinions and I do listen to and consider what others have to say.  I value variety in life.

Looking forward to your future input and ...welcome to commenting side of the gang!  8)=tom

zymmetricaldotcom

« Reply #69 on: December 07, 2007, 17:55 »
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Accepting art from anyone on the internet is a rough business, I for one look up to Stockxpert as a great site that has earned it's just rewards.  Something like this goes with the territory. 

If you run a popular blog, then you're going to get paid posters polluting your comments with spam for their sites, if you run a successful stock agency then there's going to be people trying to game the system. Wherever there's a dollar on the internet, there's cheeseballs, it's been like this in business in general since the beginning of civilization. 

Yes you can limit the quantity of keywords, but if a pic is worth a thousand then what's the point of that. Ultimately it should be the Searches > Return Clients that count. If Stockxpert didn't do a good job in this dept. then they wouldn't be where they are now. Some lone gunman polluting the keywords shouldn't be the basis for an uprising..
« Last Edit: December 07, 2007, 18:10 by zymmetricaldotcom »

« Reply #70 on: December 07, 2007, 19:22 »
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Some lone gunman polluting the keywords shouldn't be the basis for an uprising..

I don't think that the problem is with one person polluting the keywords, but the fact that StockXpert still hasn't done anything about this in over two months.  Many other people on this board have reported getting images rejected for borderline keyword problems, but here is an obvious case of spamming and nothing is being done.  What type of message does that give to the rest of us?

« Reply #71 on: December 07, 2007, 22:04 »
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Removed comment....
« Last Edit: December 07, 2007, 23:03 by a.k.a.-tom »

« Reply #72 on: December 09, 2007, 11:39 »
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Here's a good one.  THIS IS SS NOT StockXpert.  I just uploaded a hockey player and doing a search for it...

This is the number 5 image under photos at SS.  (Right after the illustration when I checked photos only!!!)


I've hilighted the words I don't think fit.  Am I out of line here?  Or do I keyword incorrectly?

13-15, 25-30, activity, adult, blonde, boy, carefree, casual, caucasian, caucasian, cheerful, clothing, color, color, colour, compete, competition, confident, fashion, female, fresh, freshness, full, fun, game, girl, glowing, happy, head, health, hockey, ice, idyllic, image, image, joy, joyful, leisure, length, lifestyle, looking, male, multiethnic, natural, nature, one, one, outdoors, outdoors, outside, people, person, person, photograph, play, player, portrait, practice, pretty, recreation, relaxed, rink, sea, serene, shot, shoulder, sincere, skate, skating, slide, smiling, sport, square, stick, sunny, teenage, uniform, vertical, vitality, wellbeing, winter, winter, woman, years, years, young, young, youth

Funny, she's a boy, a girl and a woman.  That's one hot transvestite.  And she's both 13-15 and 25-30 years old.

« Reply #73 on: December 09, 2007, 13:31 »
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I don't think you are out of line at all, Pixart. No, I don't see that girl playing hockey, ice, skates or anything like that in the photo. I call that spamming and I really hate it.

I am both a contributor and a buyer. I can tell you I get really frustrated when, as a buyer, I'm searching for something, and a photo like that comes up under something unrelated. It turns me off totally.

As a contributor, I am very careful about keywording, because I just don't have it in me to cheat the way the spammers do. It is called integrity. It's more important to me than winning at all costs.

« Reply #74 on: December 09, 2007, 14:32 »
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I am both a contributor and a buyer. I can tell you I get really frustrated when, as a buyer, I'm searching for something, and a photo like that comes up under something unrelated. It turns me off totally.

As a contributor, I am very careful about keywording, because I just don't have it in me to cheat the way the spammers do. It is called integrity. It's more important to me than winning at all costs.

Thanks, cclapper!!        8)-tom

« Reply #75 on: December 09, 2007, 14:45 »
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And she's both 13-15 and 25-30 years old.

And why did they skip 16-24?   :-\

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #76 on: December 11, 2007, 11:08 »
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Hi guys,

We have removed Lione's keyword-spammed images from the site until he fixes them.

Thanks!
-Steve

« Reply #77 on: December 11, 2007, 11:13 »
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Thanks Steve for the update.
at least  good to hear some action has been taking against him,I don't want to sound mean but it still seems he got away with it quite fine.

« Reply #78 on: December 11, 2007, 12:07 »
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I think Alamy has found a good way to fight keyword spamming with their ranking system.

A contributor get an overall ranking value computed from a formula such as

nb of thumbnails views in search / (nb of click/zoom + nb of sales)

Search result is then ordered by taking this ranking into account (the lower, the better).

If a contributor use keywords spamming, the number of thumbnails view will increase dramatically first but not the number of click/sales as the buyers will just skip the irrelevant pictures. His/her pictures will thus drop quickly at the end of the search.

I guess it is not easy to implement such thing (but it should not be too difficult either), but it is a good idea IMHO.

Of cours, you then have to deal with robots which try to increase the ranking of a given contributor  ;D
« Last Edit: December 11, 2007, 12:09 by araminta »

« Reply #79 on: December 13, 2007, 18:41 »
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As much as I hated the thought of other people being able to review my keywords (the program put in place at istock), I must say that I think it works well. I thought that I would be pissed when I saw that my keywords had been edited, but I must say that in every instance a photo has been reviewed for keywords, there have been tons added that I never thought of. And I like the idea that once they go through the review, they are locked so that no one else can go back and change (both other people and the contributor).


 

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