Author Topic: Photos.com and JIUUnlimited to be handled by IS (Read 54606 times)

sharpshot · « **Reply #225 on:** July 01, 2009, 04:26 »

So all istock have to do is raise their commissions 20% for non exclusives (from 25 cents to 30 cents) and I am sure lots of us will opt in. There is no way I will take a cut to 25 cents when SS pays me 38 cents, the subs buyers can find my portfolio there. Photos.com and JIU unlimited were never big earners and I have stopped uploading to sites like crestock that only pay 25 cents for subs. I was looking for an increase in subs commissions, as they already seem low in comparison to pay per download.

Squat · « **Reply #226 on:** July 01, 2009, 09:39 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on June 29, 2009, 17:44

Quote from: sharpshot on June 29, 2009, 17:38
Just got back from 2 weeks away to find this. I wont opt in to istock for 25 cents and hope more buyers go to SS, where they will be able to find bigger portfolios from most of the non-exclusive contributors and we can get higher commissions. I was starting to like istock again but this makes me wary of them again.

Check out the reactions to the Vetta roll-out from buyers (if you can unearth them in the 51 page thread). They appear pretty wary too.

I am confused here. As I wrote in another thread (first sale on Vetta), can someone explain to me why there is mixed signals here on IStock?On one hand, I read here that Getty is pissing off contributors and buyers, and on the other hand, I just read someone cheering for his sales with Vetta. 15,50$US is hot ! not the 30 cents we expected from Getty's new monopoly of IS and StockXpert.

So what is the real story? Can someone tell me?

Cheers,

matt

Pixart · « **Reply #227 on:** July 01, 2009, 11:06 »

Tan, it's like being in an abusive marriage. You really really want them to love you becasue they are the true GOD of microstock. Sometimes you get mad at him and threaten to leave, but the truth is that IS is such a great lover 20% of the time that you put up with the neglect. My acceptance rate is brutal, but I earn between $1.25 and $1.60 per photo per month so earnings equal or beat sites with 5x the gallery.

As God the power has gone to IS's head and they think they can walk all over their harem, but the JI/Photos.com deal sucks much worse than 20% and they made the mistake of optional opt-in. I have seen how many sales I got through this deal at StockXpert, it wasn't spectacular - now fighting against IS exclusives for attention and the insulting commission. I would be betraying SS and DT if I accepted this bad deal.

PixelBytes · « **Reply #228 on:** July 01, 2009, 12:00 »

Quote from: Pixart on July 01, 2009, 11:06

Tan, it's like being in an abusive marriage. You really really want them to love you becasue they are the true GOD of microstock. Sometimes you get mad at him and threaten to leave, but the truth is that IS is such a great lover 20% of the time that you put up with the neglect.

Pixart, you read my mind. I have thought the same myself many times!

I can't afford to leave them, but I have taken a few other lovers

disorderly · « **Reply #229 on:** July 01, 2009, 12:07 »

Tan, consider these two programs from the POV of iStock exclusives vs. independents. To an exclusive, Vetta offers a chance for increased revenues if one or more of their photos is selected. And the Photos.com & JIU subscription plans offer the chance for a little more income, which you can choose to accept or reject based on your feeling about low revenue per sale.

That's if you're exclusive. But if you're independent, Vetta is irrelevant (only exclusive content). And has been discussed, P.c and JIU represent a loss of income, both because the revenue per sale is less than we get through SX now and because the pool of images will be much smaller due to iStock's restrictive upload policy.

So the upshot is that independents lose on one program and have no stake in the other. I'll leave it to exclusives to decide how they feel, but would point out that it's not unreasonable to dislike iStock's use of the stick even as you appreciate the occasional carrot.

Squat · « **Reply #230 on:** July 01, 2009, 12:39 »

thx Pixart, thx disorderly, for the clarification. Now I get it: Getty's out to appease the exclusives. Well, in a way I guess that's fair , if you're exclusive.
I am looking out for the possibility to be exclusive one day in the future , choosing from the sites I am with,(no, not with IS though...)
but if I became exclusive for Fotolia, or another Big6, or even a mid stock,etc...
I too would expect some kind of special treatment. So I guess I can't knock Getty for doing more for their exclusives. Cheers once more for taking the time to answer me.
matt

Phil · « **Reply #231 on:** July 01, 2009, 15:46 »

Quote from: Pixart on July 01, 2009, 11:06

Tan, it's like being in an abusive marriage. You really really want them to love you becasue they are the true GOD of microstock. Sometimes you get mad at him and threaten to leave, but the truth is that IS is such a great lover 20% of the time that you put up with the neglect. My acceptance rate is brutal, but I earn between $1.25 and $1.60 per photo per month so earnings equal or beat sites with 5x the gallery.

As God the power has gone to IS's head and they think they can walk all over their harem, but the JI/Photos.com deal sucks much worse than 20% and they made the mistake of optional opt-in. I have seen how many sales I got through this deal at StockXpert, it wasn't spectacular - now fighting against IS exclusives for attention and the insulting commission. I would be betraying SS and DT if I accepted this bad deal.

what a wonderful analogy

michaeldb · « **Reply #232 on:** July 01, 2009, 18:18 »

Quote from: Phil on July 01, 2009, 15:46

Quote from: Pixart on July 01, 2009, 11:06
Tan, it's like being in an abusive marriage. You really really want them to love you becasue they are the true GOD of microstock. Sometimes you get mad at him and threaten to leave, but the truth is that IS is such a great lover 20% of the time that you put up with the neglect. My acceptance rate is brutal, but I earn between $1.25 and $1.60 per photo per month so earnings equal or beat sites with 5x the gallery.

As God the power has gone to IS's head and they think they can walk all over their harem, but the JI/Photos.com deal sucks much worse than 20% and they made the mistake of optional opt-in. I have seen how many sales I got through this deal at StockXpert, it wasn't spectacular - now fighting against IS exclusives for attention and the insulting commission. I would be betraying SS and DT if I accepted this bad deal.

what a wonderful analogy

Yes, it makes me think of Lorena Bobbitt.

MichaelJay · « **Reply #233 on:** July 02, 2009, 03:32 »

Quote from: tan510jomast on July 01, 2009, 12:39

Now I get it: Getty's out to appease the exclusives. Well, in a way I guess that's fair , if you're exclusive.

Well, factually not right. The Vetta (formerly project name Premiere) collection was already announced in early December 2008. There is no connection to the "Partner Program" (which is the photos.com/JIU deal you are discussing about here). It was launched as the research indicated that the market might be mature enough to grow from microstock to provide higher-value imagery.

a.k.a.-tom · « **Reply #234 on:** July 10, 2009, 16:07 »

Man, my head is spinning... I've been out of the loop too long.... 2009 has been a bad year.... my daughter died, then I broke my flippin leg, and while on the mend for the leg I find out I've got stage one lymphoma (and letting you folks all know I'm not saying this looking for sympathy...yeah, it all sux,in time I'll get over it all and the cancer is a shoe-in cure..... that's life, so while I know many of you and you know me, there's no need to comment.. If you thought about it, that makes me happy.. thank you very much.. ).. .. but now while I'm sitting out disability for the next 10 weeks doing the chemo thing.. I figure,

FINALLY, I have some time to sit on my backside, work on the couple thousand pix sitting on the hard drive and get back into my stocks.... only to find this insanity?

I still don't understand exactly whats going on... 50% of my sales on StockXpert were coming thru JIU and P........ now what? Is the thinking still that StockXpert will go belly up?

I've got a sizable folio with IS.... obviously, I'm not exclusive there...

At this point in my life this year my brain is about the equivalent of oatmeal..

I sure would appreciate it if you of you kind folks would put this all in simple english that a 3 year old can understand..

=tom

gbcimages · « **Reply #235 on:** July 10, 2009, 16:16 »

I'm really sorry to hear about your daughter and your cancer,I'll pray for your situation. On the Stock expert thing,all I herd is they are suppose to close down some time this year.

madelaide · « **Reply #236 on:** July 10, 2009, 17:04 »

Tom,

I'm really sorry to hear about your problems. Surely a year you want to see over soon.

All the best,
Adelaide

sharpshot · « **Reply #237 on:** July 10, 2009, 17:56 »

Quote from: gbcimages on July 10, 2009, 16:16

...On the Stock expert thing,all I herd is they are suppose to close down some time this year.

Where did you hear that? I know some people are speculating on the forums but I haven't heard any real news about them closing the site.

gbcimages · « **Reply #238 on:** July 10, 2009, 18:28 »

Maybe I should rephrase from close to speculate.

sharpshot · « **Reply #239 on:** July 11, 2009, 02:58 »

If they were going to close StockXpert, they should of done it by now. They wont be popular letting us upload to a site and then closing it.

My guess would be that they might let istock exclusives put their portfolios on StockXpert and lower non-exclusive commissions. That would be the final straw for me. I would leave StockXpert and stop uploading to istock.

gbcimages · « **Reply #240 on:** July 11, 2009, 09:59 »

I'm not on Istock,and don't intend to join. I'll stay with stockxpert until whatever happens.

michaeldb · « **Reply #241 on:** July 11, 2009, 10:56 »

Quote from: sharpshot on July 11, 2009, 02:58

My guess would be that they might let istock exclusives put their portfolios on StockXpert and lower non-exclusive commissions. That would be the final straw for me. I would leave StockXpert and stop uploading to istock.

That's an interesting idea; I wonder if they have thought of it. It might tempt some people who consider exclusivity with IS but are afraid to put all their eggs in one basket. Two baskets would be a little safer. Still, all the problems with submitting to IS (rejection of qualilty images, slow submission process, etc) would not be alleviated, unless IS exclusives could also somehow be allowed to submit to StockXpert instead of or in addition to IS.

PixelBytes · « **Reply #242 on:** July 11, 2009, 16:38 »

Quote from: sharpshot on July 11, 2009, 02:58

If they were going to close StockXpert, they should of done it by now. They wont be popular letting us upload to a site and then closing it.

My guess would be that they might let istock exclusives put their portfolios on StockXpert and lower non-exclusive commissions. That would be the final straw for me. I would leave StockXpert and stop uploading to istock.

What bummer! Won't catch me leaving my portfolio there either if that happens.

Besides, since Getty won't honor the cannister level % for exclusives outside the istock site, the top exclusives would probably not want to stick their portfolios on StockXpert.

Of course as the JUI-Photos.com issue showed, there are a bunch of people willing to blindly follow wherever Getty leads them... $:-\$

a.k.a.-tom · « **Reply #243 on:** July 11, 2009, 17:33 »

Quote from: gbcimages on July 10, 2009, 16:16

I'm really sorry to hear about your daughter and your cancer,I'll pray for your situation. On the Stock expert thing,all I herd is they are suppose to close down some time this year.

Tom,
I'm really sorry to hear about your problems. Surely a year you want to see over soon.
All the best,
Adelaide
******************************************************
Thanks.... for sure a year I'll never want to relive... but... who on this planet isn't having the same or similar sorrows in their lives... really. Welcome to planet earth. With all my woes.... I personally know people I wouldn't change places with...cause they have it worse than me.....
But thanks again for your comments... they are deeply appreciated.

Meanwhile.......back in the biz... I'm starting to feel like SS is the only joint I can count on for stability.....

=tom

lisafx · « **Reply #244 on:** July 11, 2009, 17:48 »

Quote from: a.k.a.-tom on July 11, 2009, 17:33

Meanwhile.......back in the biz... I'm starting to feel like SS is the only joint I can count on for stability..... =tom

I agree Tom. SS and it's stability are a breath of fresh air. Dreamstime is very stable too. If it wasn't for those two sites I think I would have gone crazy a long time ago (although my hubby might argue I already have)!

vonkara · « **Reply #245 on:** July 13, 2009, 16:03 »

Yea same, I hardly follow the latest try to change the business. Agency merges, subscriptions, macro agencies not so macro selling subs and at the same time extended licence... Where's my Prozac

Nemo1024 · « **Reply #246 on:** August 20, 2009, 05:40 »

Quote from: fotografer on June 16, 2009, 12:38

To me it isn't so much about the 5c it's that I can't be bothered to go and tick each image individually. Apparently it's too late to just opt them all in,

And it's even not just ticking off or on each of the images, it's also the need to wait for the stupid confirmation box after each tick!

I've went through the trouble of opting my whole port out and I am no likely to op it in because of the hassle and the principal...

lisafx · « **Reply #247 on:** August 20, 2009, 09:14 »

I'm opted out too. With StockXpert not paying contributors since the beginning of the month I might be better getting the .25 on istock. At least they pay contributors there.

However I wouldn't even consider it because it is so difficult to opt in.

packerguy · « **Reply #248 on:** August 21, 2009, 08:07 »

Had a image I submitted to StockXpert about 3 weeks ago sell as a JIU sub thru StockXpert today. I thought that it was odd that they are still migrating StockXpert images to JIU.

sharpshot · « **Reply #249 on:** August 21, 2009, 08:23 »

^^^I think they said our images will be on photos.com and JIU untill the end of August. Then I hope the subs buyers miss my portfolio so much they will have to go to shutterstock

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Author Topic: Photos.com and JIUUnlimited to be handled by IS (Read 54606 times)

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