Author Topic: StockXpert Images on Photos.com (Read 110436 times)

RGebbiePhoto · « **Reply #150 on:** July 31, 2008, 18:42 »

Under FAQ: http://www.photos.com/en/help/index#usage

"Can I use my Photos.com images after my subscription expires? Top
Yes, you are permitted to use any images that you have downloaded and used during the term of your subscription after your subscription expires. We grant you a traditional non exclusive, world-wide and perpetual license for images that you have used however; you may only continue to use the image(s) in the same product or service that they were incorporated in during the subscription term. Any images that have been downloaded and not used during the term of your subscription are not permitted for first use after the subscription expires. This would be considered stock piling and in violation of our End User Licensing Agreement. "

Karimala · « **Reply #151 on:** July 31, 2008, 18:52 »

Patty Vargas mentioned that StockXpert doesn't have a lot of EL sales. After she said that, I totally forgot to mention one of my observations on the conference call.

I've noticed that the sites where I do receive frequent EL sales have them prominently displayed on the image's web page. On the other hand, at StockXpert (and DT where I haven't had any EL sales until very recently) the buyer has to click on a separate link to view the ELs. I've often wondered if the difference in page design is responsible for the lack of ELs at StockXpert and DT. A fairly simple fix of the page design could bring in the ELs that Patty said are lacking at StockXpert.

vonkara · « **Reply #152 on:** July 31, 2008, 19:07 »

Quote from: Karimala on July 31, 2008, 18:52

Patty Vargas mentioned that StockXpert doesn't have a lot of EL sales. After she said that, I totally forgot to mention one of my observations on the conference call.

I've noticed that the sites where I do receive frequent EL sales have them prominently displayed on the image's web page. On the other hand, at StockXpert (and DT where I haven't had any EL sales until very recently) the buyer has to click on a separate link to view the ELs. I've often wondered if the difference in page design is responsible for the lack of ELs at StockXpert and DT. A fairly simple fix of the page design could bring in the ELs that Patty said are lacking at StockXpert.

Exactly what I was thinking in the shower

le_cyclope · « **Reply #153 on:** July 31, 2008, 19:27 »

I know that the 250 dl per day will not apply with StockXpert photos (Jo Ann mentionned 750 / month (BTW, thanks Jo Ann you represent us very well!)) but I could not resist to this simple math:

StockXpert has 1700000 photos in his database. Photos.com sells subscription at a rate of 449.95$/year for 250 dl/day. Which is 250x365=91250 photos.

So one would be able to buy the WHOLE collection of StockXpert with 19 accounts (19x91250=1733750) or 8549$...

Scary, isn't it?

(I know that my numbers are not the ones StockXpert will use, but whatever numbers you use, it is still scary!)

louoates · « **Reply #154 on:** July 31, 2008, 19:37 »

Sane minds at StockXpert will prevail in the end. The fury they caused so far will pale when the bulk of the contributors understand what they'll be facing. I think that this certainty is suddenly sinking into their brains. This weekend will be a hectic one for SFX as they ponder the possible fallout. My guess is that Monday morning sanity will prevail. And all will be right with the world.

gostwyck · « **Reply #155 on:** July 31, 2008, 19:38 »

Quote from: le_cyclope on July 31, 2008, 19:27

So one would be able to buy the WHOLE collection of StockXpert with 19 accounts (19x91250=1733750) or 8549$...

Scary, isn't it?

Not so much 'scary' as utterly ridiculous and economically unviable. StockXpert get a "2/10 __ see me" end of term report from this particular contributor.

I think we're about to witness the rather public and humilating death of yet another microstock wannabee site that just got too greedy much too soon. Oh dear; how sad; never mind.

grp_photo · « **Reply #156 on:** August 01, 2008, 01:55 »

Quote from: Vonkara on July 31, 2008, 19:07

Quote from: Karimala on July 31, 2008, 18:52
Patty Vargas mentioned that StockXpert doesn't have a lot of EL sales. After she said that, I totally forgot to mention one of my observations on the conference call.

I've noticed that the sites where I do receive frequent EL sales have them prominently displayed on the image's web page. On the other hand, at StockXpert (and DT where I haven't had any EL sales until very recently) the buyer has to click on a separate link to view the ELs. I've often wondered if the difference in page design is responsible for the lack of ELs at StockXpert and DT. A fairly simple fix of the page design could bring in the ELs that Patty said are lacking at StockXpert.
Exactly what I was thinking in the shower

Exactly i hope Steve read this!!!!!

Nevertheless i did have ELs (with an pretty high amount) at StockXpert!

sharpshot · « **Reply #157 on:** August 01, 2008, 03:31 »

Quote from: Karimala on July 31, 2008, 18:52

Patty Vargas mentioned that StockXpert doesn't have a lot of EL sales. After she said that, I totally forgot to mention one of my observations on the conference call.

I've noticed that the sites where I do receive frequent EL sales have them prominently displayed on the image's web page. On the other hand, at StockXpert (and DT where I haven't had any EL sales until very recently) the buyer has to click on a separate link to view the ELs. I've often wondered if the difference in page design is responsible for the lack of ELs at StockXpert and DT. A fairly simple fix of the page design could bring in the ELs that Patty said are lacking at StockXpert.

I remember bringing this up months ago. I get regular EL's with FT and SS, less with istock but have never had one with StockXpert or DT. They obviously don't make it easy for the buyers to see the EL option.

Freezingpictures · « **Reply #158 on:** August 01, 2008, 04:13 »

Thats right, Els at StockXpert and DT are really rare. IS changed their setup, so it is very easy for a buyer to see the EL option now. Prior to the change at iS I had only a very small amount of El's. After the change El's at IS picked up.

lisafx · « **Reply #159 on:** August 01, 2008, 08:42 »

Quote from: gostwyck on July 31, 2008, 19:38

I think we're about to witness the rather public and humilating death of yet another microstock wannabee site that just got too greedy much too soon. Oh dear; how sad; never mind.

Gostwyck, I think you are right. If the EULA is not significantly strenthened it appears they will lose a significant portion of their inventory. I know my photos will be among them and probably most of the high and mid-level folks. At least the ones how are informed.

I read all the time on this and other forums that we are all replaceable, but I don't think any stock agency could survive the loss of so many of their top portfolios at once.

And I echo the thanks to JoAnn for sitting in on the conference call and representing our interests. Sorry I couldn't have done the same (death in the family and spent the day packing the deceased's stuff for Goodwill)

louoates · « **Reply #160 on:** August 01, 2008, 10:40 »

Sorry about your family's loss lisafx.

louoates · « **Reply #161 on:** August 01, 2008, 10:56 »

It strikes me that this whole StockXpert experience is another example of the folly of exclusivity. Thankfully we still have options. For me StockXpert is a small part of my revenue (actually growing a bit after I opted out of their subs.) So it's a simple matter to say, "no thanks, I'll be on my way."

We have nearly zero influence on any one management's decisions unless they are so over the top that masses of contributers pull out. Go on their forum and you see a large but vocal group extremely unhappy and vowing to pull their images. I'm sure there's a critical mass at some point that will change management's mind. Sometimes you've got to put down the 2x4 and pick up a 2x8 to get the donkey's attention.

If you haven't voiced your opinion on their forum yet now is the time.

lisafx · « **Reply #162 on:** August 01, 2008, 11:14 »

Quote from: louoates on August 01, 2008, 10:40

Sorry about your family's loss lisafx.

Thanks Lou

And you're right, now is the time for the silent majority to get vocal!

http://www.stockxpert.com/forum.phtml?f=showtopic&n=15291

DanP68 · « **Reply #163 on:** August 01, 2008, 12:07 »

I know some of us are on Lev Dolgachov's forum. I've been voicing my concerns with him there, and he remains optimistic that this will work out. He replied that he has talked to Steve about this, and recommended changing the EULA.

You can read the thread and participate at
http://dolgachov.com/forum

StockXpert and Steve have always come through for us. I have to believe this will be fixed before it goes Live. They stand to lose too many outstanding contributors.

Lisa-

Sorry about your loss. Keep your head up.

gostwyck · « **Reply #164 on:** August 01, 2008, 12:24 »

Looks to me that StockXpert have dug themselves a mighty big hole here and have a no-win situation on their hands.

If they offer an opt-out then anyone with half a brain will do so __ so they won't have much of a library left to offer at Photos.com anyway.

If they don't offer an opt-out then they won't actually have a library worth offering to anyone at all.

I suppose the license terms could be modified at Photos.com but they seem to have ruled that out entirely.

It's likely that most folk will have already stopped uploading there (I know I have) until the situation is clearer so the growth will have stalled. Added to that they have already destroyed their reputation with their contributor base. It'll be a long time before we trust them again.

I sure hope they like the taste of humble pie at StockXpert/JI. It's going to be double-helpings all round pretty * soon.

paddy_ji · « **Reply #165 on:** August 01, 2008, 13:54 »

Quote from: Karimala on July 31, 2008, 18:52

Patty Vargas mentioned that StockXpert doesn't have a lot of EL sales. After she said that, I totally forgot to mention one of my observations on the conference call.

I've noticed that the sites where I do receive frequent EL sales have them prominently displayed on the image's web page. On the other hand, at StockXpert (and DT where I haven't had any EL sales until very recently) the buyer has to click on a separate link to view the ELs. I've often wondered if the difference in page design is responsible for the lack of ELs at StockXpert and DT. A fairly simple fix of the page design could bring in the ELs that Patty said are lacking at StockXpert.

Thanks for raising this and we fully intend to make it easier for customers to purchase ELs on StockXpert. It's in the work and I expect with an easier interface and simpler design that EL sales will go up.

As we find new ways to leverage your StockXpert images throughout Jupiterimages, we will also be making vast improvements on the StockXpert site. With the upcoming improvements, the customer experience is only going to get better.

Paddy

jsnover · « **Reply #166 on:** August 01, 2008, 14:44 »

I was looking today at Jupiter Unlimited, another of the many Jupiter sites. It offers Photos.com content via subscription - in the basic versus the premium package.

If you look at Jupiter Unlimited they classify as "Print" the same size that on Photos.com is called L, suggesting that Patty's assertion that people would buy the larger (XL+) sizes if they wanted to print items for resale doesn't match JI's marketing elsewhere.

http://www.jiunlimited.com/en/company/learn_more

JI Unlimited seems to offer Photos.com content for $84 a month (along with other libraries). It's unclear where the proposed Photos.com plus would figure into these offerings

Via JI/Unlimited, the full access plan appears to offer access to any size image at Photos.com (plus others) for $167 a month. If Photos.com plus is in there as well, does that mean that JI/Unilmited subscribers will get XL and up file sizes and we would still get only 30 cents as it was still a subscription?

Monday's document better be good - there are so many unanswered questions. I guess we should have asked aobut the JI/Unlimited site yesterday, but I hadn't really thought through what the differences between their terms and the Photos.com ones actually meant given their plans to add StockXpert content to the mix.

cphoto · « **Reply #167 on:** August 01, 2008, 15:00 »

Quote from: paddy_ji on August 01, 2008, 13:54

Thanks for raising this and we fully intend to make it easier for customers to purchase ELs on StockXpert. It's in the work and I expect with an easier interface and simpler design that EL sales will go up.
Paddy
...

Paddy,

While I really appreciate the intent I'd like to say that EL sales on StockXpert won't certainly go up if you have L size images available with photo plus subscription package plan and let your customer resale T-shirt, calendars, mugs or even on a cover magazine with 3 millions prints with the picture on it.

I worked as a designer for magazine and an L size image has enough definition to make a full cover print, calendars, etc. Upsizing softwares such as Genuine fractals are now good enough to even blow up and L size image on a bill board.

le_cyclope · « **Reply #168 on:** August 01, 2008, 16:31 »

Quote from: jsnover on August 01, 2008, 14:44

I guess we should have asked aobut the JI/Unlimited site yesterday, but I hadn't really thought through what the differences between their terms and the Photos.com ones actually meant given their plans to add StockXpert content to the mix.

Seems that you're not alone; StockXpert's people did not thought of it either...

le_cyclope · « **Reply #169 on:** August 01, 2008, 16:38 »

Quote from: gostwyck on August 01, 2008, 12:24

Looks to me that StockXpert have dug themselves a mighty big hole here and have a no-win situation on their hands.

If they offer an opt-out then anyone with half a brain will do so __ so they won't have much of a library left to offer at Photos.com anyway.

If they don't offer an opt-out then they won't actually have a library worth offering to anyone at all.

There could be a mid solution, if they offer an opt-out/in on a per photo base.

I'm not a great photographer, but, like everybody here, I can tell that my *worst* photos are better than most of Photos.com's.

So on a per photo base, I would opt-in with *less* quality, and it would still improve Photos.com collection and in the same time give some more valu to my older photos.

grp_photo · « **Reply #170 on:** August 01, 2008, 18:12 »

Quote from: cphoto on August 01, 2008, 15:00

Quote from: paddy_ji on August 01, 2008, 13:54
Thanks for raising this and we fully intend to make it easier for customers to purchase ELs on StockXpert. It's in the work and I expect with an easier interface and simpler design that EL sales will go up.
Paddy
...

Paddy,

While I really appreciate the intent I'd like to say that EL sales on StockXpert won't certainly go up if you have L size images available with photo plus subscription package plan and let your customer resale T-shirt, calendars, mugs or even on a cover magazine with 3 millions prints with the picture on it.

I worked as a designer for magazine and an L size image has enough definition to make a full cover print, calendars, etc. Upsizing softwares such as Genuine fractals are now good enough to even blow up and L size image on a bill board.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!
I had made billboards from my 10D five years ago the quality was awesome.
If you downsample a 5D-file to 4MP you have the best 4MP-file you can imagine you can do everything with it - there are no limits! Billboards are no problems!!

lisafx · « **Reply #171 on:** August 01, 2008, 19:34 »

Quote from: le_cyclope on August 01, 2008, 16:38

So on a per photo base, I would opt-in with *less* quality, and it would still improve Photos.com collection and in the same time give some more valu to my older photos.

This would be okay if they give us a universal opt-out that we could go back and just opt-in the photos we don't care about. Old stuff that is worthy of bargain bin pricing/usage.

But there is no way I would go through more than 3700 files and opt in/out individually.

sharpshot · « **Reply #172 on:** August 02, 2008, 03:21 »

A point I made over on their forum. SS pay me 38 cents for subscription downloads, 123rf 36 cents, DT 35 cents and FT 32 cents. istock pay more for subs commissions on average. DT and FT also use subs downloads to increase the amount I make from pay per download sales.

StockXpert now has the lowest subs commission rate of the big sites, just 30 cents. They need to offer us an opt out or increase prices in line with the other top sites.

Perhaps now is a good time to do this, as there is a lot of bad feeling and a nice raise might make people think again about deleting their portfolios.

vphoto · « **Reply #173 on:** August 02, 2008, 05:31 »

deleting my StockXpert portfolio is firmly on my mind.

gostwyck · « **Reply #174 on:** August 02, 2008, 08:49 »

Quote from: vphoto on August 02, 2008, 05:31

deleting my StockXpert portfolio is firmly on my mind.

Same here to be honest __ whatever happens next.

The management team at StockXpert have let us down like a cheap pair of tights.

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Author Topic: StockXpert Images on Photos.com (Read 110436 times)

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