A Minimal Symbiostock - Less is More - Community Project

[Leo Blanchette]

Whatever Leo, you are always right, and others are always wrong. I know what happened, and now I also know my help and suggestions were in vain.

Cheers.

Please understand, I woke up to find a crocodile sitting beside my bed. Literally, it seemed like a fire was started without any provocation. Your welcome to react how you wish, but I've never done you any wrong. Besides that, I was called to defend myself before coffee. If I did it less than perfectly, my apologies.

I don't wish for anyone to leave, not even my worst accusers. These agents at least have the benefit of being faceless when they are railed against. An invisible board of directors. But Symbiostock ... "Leo did this!"

I'm setting up my parting words now. Thank you for your support. And while you feel neglected, your site was one that got the majority of my time in comparison to others. Even paid ones.

[Ron]

You are still missing the point of everything I said. Never mind, time heals all wounds.

[Ron]

I think I have every right to be negative. I have helped out on many of these community calls, and I have been disappointed or felt let down. Maybe the comments on this being a cult werent far off. It seems negativity is not allowed. Maybe its about time people start listening to some of the outcries.

[cascoly]

... Leaf, can you do me a favor and delete all of Symbiostock MSG threads? Thanks ...

Leo, I totally understand that you aren't happy that a thread which was meant to be positive (with an idea which I really like a lot, btw.) turned that way. But I don't think it's the right way to delete all Symbiostock MSG threads. We NEED MSG, I think.
Don't let negative voices get to much power over you (and the project)
Just my 2 cents.

completely agree -- both because there are many still who find symbiostock thru MSG and because of my solid opposition to any form of censorship

[Leo Blanchette]

My point was simply that if I wanted to delete all of the negative posts at the .org address, I could. It wasn't a serious request. Anyway, I'm working hard on some parting words. Be back soon.

[Jo Ann Snover]

... Leaf, can you do me a favor and delete all of Symbiostock MSG threads? Thanks ...

Leo, I totally understand that you aren't happy that a thread which was meant to be positive (with an idea which I really like a lot, btw.) turned that way. But I don't think it's the right way to delete all Symbiostock MSG threads. We NEED MSG, I think.
Don't let negative voices get to much power over you (and the project)
Just my 2 cents.

Leaf, please don't delete the Symbiostock threads on MSG - there's a lot of information on here that it would be a shame to lose.

MSG is always prone to mini volcanic eruptions of one sort or another - I think most of us who've been around here a while just ignore the venting and ranting and things in general don't get too out of hand.  People can always delete their own posts if they wish - although sometimes I think it would be preferable to leave them, even if they're a bit intemperate.

[Ron]

Instead of voting my comment down, its a better idea to ask yourself why all of a sudden people who supported the project turn negative. Why does a negative comment have to be keelhauled? Does voting my comment down help solve a problem? 

[cathyslife]

My point was simply that if I wanted to delete all of the negative posts at the .org address, I could. It wasn't a serious request. Anyway, I'm working hard on some parting words. Be back soon.

And therein lies part of the problem. You make jokes about stuff that is important to other people. Part of the reason you want people posting in your own forum is for that very reason...if you want, you can delete. You have control. Here you do not. Here we can express our views, even if you dont like them.


The final straw for me was your "joke" about how, if people didnt behave, you would hack into their site and mess with them. You said this in a thread on the SY forum when a couple people were bickering there. To me, its not a joke. I dont EVER want to hear a developer say he/she will hack into my site. This, after you have asked many people to make you an admin of their site.


I wish you the best of luck. Your intentions started out good, but I PERSONALLY feel it has gone offtrack. Others will agree, others wont. I wish nothing but good things for all, including myself.

[Uncle Pete]

- with the success of our sites. When I started my site I was totally aware of the fact that we will not be able replace the agencies within some months.
- with Leo, who is still working quite alone on the code of Symbiostock. Probably none of us can imagine the energy it took to get the theme to the point where it is now.

I just wanted to say, my mind still boggles at the thought of all the coding, refining, chasing gremlins and bugs, to make the Symbiostock theme work in the first place.

I'll leave it at that.

It needs to become a community project, or without Leo and a couple others currently, it's going to die an orphan. I'm not smart enough with WP or php, to help or contribute, so here's hoping someone out there is.

[jsfoto]

Instead of voting my comment down, its a better idea to ask yourself why all of a sudden people who supported the project turn negative. Why does a negative comment have to be keelhauled? Does voting my comment down help solve a problem?

If I vote down a post (I guess I voted down one of you posts today) it does not say I ignore a problem or don't like a person ... it just says I (really, really) don't agree with something which was said in this specific post.
I would appreciate if we would use forums for constructive discussions ... things like that what you an leo are exchanging here right now are personal things which could be better resolved in a personal communication between you an Leo (pm, mail, etc.).
I would like to talk about Symbiostock here, not about personal feelings or injuries ...

[Ron]

So you voted Leo down as well then? I dont think so. Isnt it the case where two people fight, both are guilty of something? I am just pissed of that it seems Leo can do no wrong and that all outcries are ignored or voted down. How does that help? And then things heat up and get personal. Why wasnt I asked why I am upset and how we could address the issues? And when I tell my issues, they are being denied or ignored, again. Right.

[jsfoto]

- with the success of our sites. When I started my site I was totally aware of the fact that we will not be able replace the agencies within some months.
- with Leo, who is still working quite alone on the code of Symbiostock. Probably none of us can imagine the energy it took to get the theme to the point where it is now.

I just wanted to say, my mind still boggles at the thought of all the coding, refining, chasing gremlins and bugs, to make the Symbiostock theme work in the first place.

I'll leave it at that.

It needs to become a community project, or without Leo and a couple others currently, it's going to die an orphan. I'm not smart enough with WP or php, to help or contribute, so here's hoping someone out there is.

Actually I wonder why you quote me, as I answered to something Ron said, not you ...

[Uncle Pete]

Because it was a question and I appreciated the thought of how much Leo put into the theme. Did you notice I highlighted what I was answering? Or was it a private conversation and no one is allowed to have an opinion? I don't understand?

(resolved, simple misunderstanding, move along folks, nothing here) 

- with the success of our sites. When I started my site I was totally aware of the fact that we will not be able replace the agencies within some months.
- with Leo, who is still working quite alone on the code of Symbiostock. Probably none of us can imagine the energy it took to get the theme to the point where it is now.

I just wanted to say, my mind still boggles at the thought of all the coding, refining, chasing gremlins and bugs, to make the Symbiostock theme work in the first place.

I'll leave it at that.

It needs to become a community project, or without Leo and a couple others currently, it's going to die an orphan. I'm not smart enough with WP or php, to help or contribute, so here's hoping someone out there is.

Actually I wonder why you quote me, as I answered to something Ron said, not you ...

[jsfoto]

Because it was a question and I appreciated the thought of how much Leo put into the theme. Did you notice I highlighted what I was answering? Or was it a private conversation and no one is allowed to have an opinion? I don't understand?

- with the success of our sites. When I started my site I was totally aware of the fact that we will not be able replace the agencies within some months.
- with Leo, who is still working quite alone on the code of Symbiostock. Probably none of us can imagine the energy it took to get the theme to the point where it is now.

I just wanted to say, my mind still boggles at the thought of all the coding, refining, chasing gremlins and bugs, to make the Symbiostock theme work in the first place.

I'll leave it at that.

It needs to become a community project, or without Leo and a couple others currently, it's going to die an orphan. I'm not smart enough with WP or php, to help or contribute, so here's hoping someone out there is.

Actually I wonder why you quote me, as I answered to something Ron said, not you ...

Sorry, I guess I really missunderstood ... it's late here. I will say good night now ... I was kind of overvelmed by all the negative posts today ... and I'm tired.
Hope to read some positive words when I wake up 

[JPSDK]

My point was simply that if I wanted to delete all of the negative posts at the .org address, I could. It wasn't a serious request. Anyway, I'm working hard on some parting words. Be back soon.

And therein lies part of the problem. You make jokes about stuff that is important to other people. Part of the reason you want people posting in your own forum is for that very reason...if you want, you can delete. You have control. Here you do not. Here we can express our views, even if you dont like them.


The final straw for me was your "joke" about how, if people didnt behave, you would hack into their site and mess with them. You said this in a thread on the SY forum when a couple people were bickering there. To me, its not a joke. I dont EVER want to hear a developer say he/she will hack into my site. This, after you have asked many people to make you an admin of their site.


I wish you the best of luck. Your intentions started out good, but I PERSONALLY feel it has gone offtrack. Others will agree, others wont. I wish nothing but good things for all, including myself.

Interesting post. I agree, and Im happy I did not put any time into the sym project.

[Leo Blanchette]

Yeah, I joke as a way of deflecting personal attacks, and the whole project is ruined because of it. 

JSPK, your concerns about security have nothing to do with me. Its the internet. I think you just enjoy giving us trouble.

http://www.clipartillustration.com/inmotion-hosting-hacked-tiger-mte-users-greeted-lame-hacked-page/
http://techcrunch.com/2009/03/03/phishing-attack-takes-down-istockphoto/
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/10/30/google-yahoo-hacked-by-us-government/

I'm only responding because impressionable people read your angry garbage and a public defence is needed.

The truth is, and its obvious and yet nobody sees it ...

Why do angry people love forums? That is the Achilles heal of Symbiostock, its true weakness. Yet I'll keep it as a part of it's makeup. They are still needed.

[Pixart]

Leo!  I didn't have the stomach to read much of this thread.  Just remember that for every critic you have 100's of fans.  I'm one of them.  You shouldn't have to defend yourself every time you come to visit.  And you don't have to reply to every post.

[farbled]

Leo!  I didn't have the stomach to read much of this thread.  Just remember that for every critic you have 100's of fans.  I'm one of them.  You shouldn't have to defend yourself every time you come to visit.  And you don't have to reply to every post.

Well put. Completely agree.

[marthamarks]

Leo!  I didn't have the stomach to read much of this thread.  Just remember that for every critic you have 100's of fans.  I'm one of them.  You shouldn't have to defend yourself every time you come to visit.  And you don't have to reply to every post.

+100 to every word of that.

I learned a long time ago that silence is often the best response to criticism. Others who aren't so emotionally invested are better prepared to defend a hero under attack. And, given a chance, they usually will do that very well.

This is a disappointing thread, for sure, but it doesn't reflect the way most of us Symbiostockers feel. Makes me very sad to read this stuff.

[Pilens]

Leo!  I didn't have the stomach to read much of this thread.  Just remember that for every critic you have 100's of fans.  I'm one of them.  You shouldn't have to defend yourself every time you come to visit.  And you don't have to reply to every post.

Very well said! - This thread is sooooo off-topic.