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Leo Blanchette

« Reply #50 on: February 08, 2014, 19:52 »
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Cathy, early on in Microstock Christos Georghiou http://www.atstockillustration.com/  told me how I could succeed in Microstock. He gave me a very concise rundown on every detail.

Do you have any idea how much a man with 3 children beneath 2 years old appreciated that? I had to be home, and he saved me through information alone. He didn't have to do that.

He was the first one I ever "networked with" before Symbio. When I had a site and got good enough, my first project was to get him in business too. Even on his lesser traffic he does great. Christos is the reason I succeeded in this business, because he wrote me a privage message on Istock when I thought there was a conspiracy keeping my images from selling. Look at his portfolio. Is it any wonder he's elite and sells even in low traffic conditions?

The difference is I actually understood he was not flattering me and gave me a direction to go in and I did it.

I could defend myself on subjects you don't understand, but its fruitless. That's why I come off as a *insult removed* -- I don't give the whole story because the ones calling me to account won't  listen to it or understand it anyway.

Its funny because early on I made a statement "Symbiostock is very unflattering toward people". But it was so new and fun nobody seemed to care about such statements. A year down the road, everyone cares.

I say "Don't spend your money on facebook advertising!" but people do it anyway, and get mad at me when it has no effect.

I speak once, twice, three times, and a few people are not listening except to trap me in my words. The time I've invested into Symbiostock was the same as the time I invested teaching in the forums. If in the end helps some people but not others, the most you can do is really look at why that is instead of inventing  conspiracies.

I'm done here for the day -- and possibly for good -- take what you want from it all.


« Reply #51 on: February 08, 2014, 19:56 »
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Enough of you have seen the reality of the accusations I get, and the lack of weight they actually have. Still, I'm deleting my replies because its rarely a good idea to put up personal analytics. But its obvious to those who could see at least for a while, its not the traffic generating scheme that disillusioned people might imply.

Truth be told Symbiostock will not thrive in the pond it hatched from. Too many piranas in it. Were it not for the trolling, I suspect it might have gone much further. Still the trial-by-fire has had it's benefits.

In a nutshell:

I've actually done worse since creating Symbiostock. I guess its called paying my dues as a startup. So finally when I do break even, I will not have to apologize. When I get ahead, it will have been fair.


You havent answered my question (what you are now calling an accusation). If links and networking are irrelevant, why are they in there? What is the point of the networking? What was the point of including it in there? It must have been a pain in the butt for you to put that in the software. Why wouldnt you just build a kick ass theme where all the features work correctly, with plugins, and sell them like other companies do?


Trolling? I used your software for eight months and i am reporting my findings and my questions. Not sure how that constitutes trolling.


I encourage everyone to give SY a shot. I would like to see if my experience is an isolated incident and if others fare better now that the network is growing. That would be awesome for all if it actually does work for the hundreds of sites and not just a few.

« Reply #52 on: February 08, 2014, 19:58 »
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no Cathy my words were not directed at you but were a general statement that in all ventures  there are a few that do amazingly well with  the venture, others fail and will be dissappionted and most will fare out somewhere in between

this goes for any venture, business scheme, etc

I truly do sympathize with you that it didn't work out for you

I wish noone foul or menace esp yoou - you were a part of my network in fact because you offered me help when I was having some issues when I started up.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2014, 20:01 by noodle »

Leo Blanchette

« Reply #53 on: February 08, 2014, 20:08 »
+3
Enough of you have seen the reality of the accusations I get, and the lack of weight they actually have. Still, I'm deleting my replies because its rarely a good idea to put up personal analytics. But its obvious to those who could see at least for a while, its not the traffic generating scheme that disillusioned people might imply.

Truth be told Symbiostock will not thrive in the pond it hatched from. Too many piranas in it. Were it not for the trolling, I suspect it might have gone much further. Still the trial-by-fire has had it's benefits.

In a nutshell:

I've actually done worse since creating Symbiostock. I guess its called paying my dues as a startup. So finally when I do break even, I will not have to apologize. When I get ahead, it will have been fair.



You havent answered my question (what you are now calling an accusation). If links and networking are irrelevant, why are they in there? What is the point of the networking? What was the point of including it in there? It must have been a pain in the butt for you to put that in the software. Why wouldnt you just build a kick ass theme where all the features work correctly, with plugins, and sell them like other companies do?


Trolling? I used your software for eight months and i am reporting my findings and my questions. Not sure how that constitutes trolling.


I encourage everyone to give SY a shot. I would like to see if my experience is an isolated incident and if others fare better now that the network is growing. That would be awesome for all if it actually does work for the hundreds of sites and not just a few.


Maybe I don't want to explain myself on your every aggression? But pretending this is a constructive conversation, I can explain:

You havent answered my question (what you are now calling an accusation). If links and networking are irrelevant, why are they in there? What is the point of the networking? What was the point of including it in there? It must have been a pain in the butt for you to put that in the software. Why wouldnt you just build a kick ass theme where all the features work correctly, with plugins, and sell them like other companies do?


Your calling them "links". They are search results. Search results humans click on. And yes, they click on them. But guess what -- you can do it without links too!
Do I really have to explain: I  land on site A and do a search. I scroll down, see nothing I like. But I do see networked site B has things I like. So I go there. Sometimes your site A, sometimes your site B. And besides, its fun.

Why wouldnt you just build a kick ass theme where all the features work correctly, with plugins, and sell them like other companies do?

I download quite a few themes from Themeforest, and  its rare that I do not have to go in and tweak something due to rules being broken or bad code. Symbiostock.com is made up of themes and plugins, and it crashes regularly.

But I might just take your advice. One member who is familiar with the subject told me I should bring Symbiostock to themeforest and sell it there. And I thought....wow....I might just do that. A few  more features...a few more trendy gimmicks....

Trolling? I used your software for eight months and i am reporting my findings and my questions. Not sure how that constitutes trolling.

... Yes, you do troll. And the statement you just made is called "deflection" coupled with a small stunt to change the course of an argument by adding an irrelevant detail as a focus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

If you've found a more productive use of your time, then I am happy for you. Just stay the course.

Leo Blanchette

« Reply #54 on: February 08, 2014, 20:09 »
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Anyway, I really have to go now. If I had one wish its that after everyone involved had a good read of this thread, it could be deleted. My days of the forums are done due to chaos and needless challenges such as this.


« Reply #55 on: February 08, 2014, 21:33 »
+5
Guys take a chill pill. If you don't like leave it. Try other self hosting solutions. See if that works for you. If it works let me know as well. :)
This is a tough industry and we know that for sure. Moreover you are competing against all these agencies that have millions of dollar of budget. I wish there was a plugin to get more sales. For the record I have had no sales. 
Btw what's wrong in just uploading to the website every time you upload to other agencies. You get 100% acceptance plus backup of your pictures and hopefully few sales. 


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« Reply #56 on: February 08, 2014, 23:49 »
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It doesnt have anything to do with being an "ungrateful whiner." Some of us are business persons. I purchased most of the SY stuff. In return, I expected a wordpress theme and software that did what it was marketed to do. I have Facebook for the "friends" stuff. And some of the people I have met in business are also "friends" on Facebook. Most of the people I do business with are not.

Leo had a choice of what he wanted to sell things for. I don't know of many businesspeople who do things "out of the goodness of their heart" without getting something in return. Even the millions of dollars Bill Gates gives to foundations and scholarships provide him tax shelters, etc. Is he doing good? Yes. Is it benefitting others? You bet. But it still isn't without benefit to Gates.



- Some of us are firstly humans before other attributes...

- I know about  fellow human directly responsible you are reading this ( Nikola Tesla ) who did things directly out of the goodness of his hearth.

- Could he become richest man ever ?  You bet.

- Did he died poor ?  Yap...and by his choice, no bad business decisions involved , just for pure benefit of mankind , as for you or for me or even for that greedy Bill Gates you are mentioning.

- Can any businessman stand next to that human and share equal respect from any conscious human being or claim world has benefited more from him ?

- You can safely place your bet on the opposite to your opinions.


So I deeply believe thinking and living mainly like a businessman can only make you doubtful about  any good intentions you run into on your way because anyone is competitor and that makes him an enemy. Everybody are after your cut and you can trust nobody...

Humans are something else

 
« Last Edit: February 08, 2014, 23:54 by Lizard »

« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2014, 01:42 »
+1
Just to add Any new initiative would face hurdles and a lot of negativity. Inspite of that Leo worked hard and provided us a platform that we can use to share / sell our work.
He never forced us into this project. He only encouraged us. It  is working for some and didn't work for others. Guys give Leo the credit that he deserves. I really hope he made some money by referrals and selling premium plugin. I really hope so.
Leo, don't leave the project. This can evolve into something else , selling sth else.


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« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2014, 02:18 »
+14
I'm sorry to see yet another dust-up over Symbiostock here.

Cathy, you're of course right to relay how Symbiostock didn't work for you and your choice to move your site to something else, but you keep saying that you're just stating your opinions and you're doing more than that. You are in effect accusing Leo and some nameless others of setting things up to benefit themselves at the expense of site owners. You keep making this accusation, but other than getting mad when Leo won't explain the details of why Symbiostock is built the way it is, I haven't seen anything specific to back those suspicions up. How discussions of Bill Gates help clarify anything is lost on me.

Accusing other people of fraud is a serious thing. Phrasing the accusations as questions and then saying they aren't really accusations doesn't change anything. If you're happy with your new site, why do you keep returning to try and stir the pot in Symbiostock threads. You're done with Symbiostock, no?


StockPhotosArt.com

« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2014, 03:23 »
+20
@ cathyslife stockphotos.com

I honestly believe that you don't realize how offensive and slanderous you're being to Leo and the whole people that have been participating in this project.

Despite all your talk about being a business person, it's you who sound like the one "looking for a leader, a hero, someone to worship". And somehow got disappointed because he's not the knight in shining armor with all the solutions you thought he'd be.

If you were a business person you wouldn't have that level of grudge and resentment. You'd evaluate that this project wasn't working for you, explain your reasons, and move on. On contrary you take all this issue on a personal level that indicates that you felt somewhat betrayed by your leader, hero, by someone you worshiped.

I am in this for the business and if Symbiostock fails, it will have failed in the same way other projects have failed in the past. It won't be different. But for the moment I feel like I'm winning even without sales (I've done nothing to promote it either). I was able to create a functional commercial website for a fraction of the price asked by some known web companies like Smugmug or Zenfolio. None of them gave me sales either, may I add... And some took me a lot of trouble putting things up. And worked far worse in the Google aspect.

And honestly, I don't give a f*** if Leo is benefiting from this project in some ways. I hope he does! I don't require him to be a Mother Theresa of Kolkata. All I know is that he's created an opportunity for many to have their own personal commercial website and a chance to build something really different in this business.

I don't look at Leo as the Saviour and Symbiostock as the garden of Eden. Leo is just a guy that had an idea, and with big or little profit put his hands at work. An idea that is innovative and do little harm when compared with the alternatives.

I get it. You've created an illusion with this project, and when finally you got to the level where most of us have been since the beginning, got frustrated. But the way you're acting is not of a business person.

« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2014, 04:27 »
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... But the way you're acting is not of a business person.

Exactly!
Glad you found these words, all words I had in mind where just too harsh to post them ...

« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2014, 05:16 »
+1
... But the way you're acting is not of a business person.

Exactly!
Glad you found these words, all words I had in mind where just too harsh to post them ...

+1

« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2014, 05:43 »
+8
Leo,

I don't know you, but seen what work you have accomplished you surely must have the heart at the best side. I see you are a linux user probably long-time  fan of open source and  as a result of a better world.

The task you are given  yourself in creating a open software suite to help artists  to sell their work is a though one. Main reason for this is that your audience are mostly people  oriented towards making profit some of them with a large ego. Most of them probably have no clue what open source is all about. This surely can be a reason to lose some motivation. 

Take some distance from your project for a while and think over what are your targets. Maybe take a look at other open source projects how they are keeping motivated and try to find some partners with the same goal.

Wish you all the best of luck and don't forget to have some fun.

Dirk

« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2014, 07:25 »
+1
Theres that name calling again. Theres Martha to jump in. Next will be cascoly telling me how stupid i am too. So predictable.


Actually Leo you have sort of proven my point for me. If you arent gaining anything from network connections, whats the point of having them? If no one is making money on all their sites that can be attributed to the links, whats the point. You go right ahead and tell me how little i know about seo. If links dont matter, why are there so many leading to your site, and a few other people sites?


............

ignoring your newest LIE that I ever called you 'stupid', you continue to show you don't understand about backlinks or networking -- those who participate are gaining traffic which they wouldn't have achieved otherwise -- changing those views intyo sales is a separate process for which each site must take responsibility - maybe the site didn't have what the user wanted? maybe the site just didn't have good images?


if anyone really has 'tens of thousands' of backlinks they worked to get them - you chose to opt out but continue to troll for another chance to badmouth sym whenever you can, yet have nothing to back up your conspiratorial fantasies

« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2014, 07:30 »
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Cathy... Im half with you here. But  I do not understand the link thing fully. Can you elaborate or better provide a diagram that shows the traffic as you see it?

I gave you a heart, to ballance the many minuses you have got.

Then you can give me one to outbalance what Ill get.
:-)

it's another of her distortions - whether inadvertent or willful I really don't know -- when my site shows results from my networked partners, google sees that as incoming links to their site.   a site that is successful will create many more outgoing links than one that doesn't get much traffic in the first place.  people who have more networked partners will on average get more incoming links than those with just a few

a site that drops out of networking, as cathy did very early on, wont see many links in either direction

« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2014, 08:25 »
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And cascoly you keep lying about how i dropped out of networking early on. I never did. But you will to continue to perpetuate that one to make it seem like i dont get it.


Most people in the network have 10 links, plus a few more from keywords. You, cascoly, add every single person to your search page. Same with ajt. That means you have at least 10 people in your network PLUS links to every single person who builds a site. Thats up to what, 250, 300 people now? Is that not a correct statement? Therefore you have more benefits than most do in the networking department. Correct? Therefore you and some others will do way better than most others. Thats how the whole internet scheme works. I could build a site like you did and do the same thing you are doing, of course. Is the average photographer going to do that? No. Therefore a few in the network are benefitting much more than others because of the increased search traffic and links. It is to a few of your's benefit to downplay that fact and keep recruiting people so you can keep building traffic to your site. Meanwhile, those of us who believed that being part of the network with 10 or so links would have equal benefits, and that just isnt so. Thats what people building sites need to understand. The way to drive traffic to your site is with massive amounts of links. Having one or two thousand images and networking with ten or so people is probably not going to be enough.


You guys sound a lot like lobo at istock. Only good things can be said about SY, otherwise the person saying the not so good things is a lying, slanderous, unprofessional.  ::)


I have every right to express my opinion and say what i want and what i think to be true about this subject or any other. Everyone has a right to build a site and test it themselves. Everyone has a right to present an opposing view, whether others like it or not. You guys dont get to bully me into not saying what i think.


I have said it, and i will continue to post if and when i feel like i have something to say. Until Leaf bans me. This forum has always been the place to come to freely express views, whether negative or positive. And yet here are some of you trying to change that, now that you have a stake in something. When we were all griping about istock, this was a good place to speak, because we couldnt have our opinions censored. Now you want to censor and discredit anyone who expresses what they believe to be true. It can be done on the SY forum, thats why it was created. Posts are being deleted left and right. Thats cool. Leos game, leos rules.




« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2014, 09:04 »
+6
Symbiostock exists, it works and it is still in it's early days being barely ten months since the first versions were released for testing.

Potential clients are finding us, if we have what they are looking for they will licence our images, if we don't then they will go elsewhere, simple as that.

If we complain about any of the agencies and what they are doing fair enough, we have no control whatsoever when they change their rules, search algorithms, finagle ways of paying us less etc. for our work.

If we complain about Symbiostock (and only those who are involved in it have any right to do so as far as I am concerned) that is totally different as we are potentially harming our own businesses, so in my opinion it should not be done - anyone remember Gerald Ratner?.  Symbiostock is not some entity where only a few actually make any money out of everyone else's work, we all have exactly the same opportunities, how we choose to use them is up to us.

Those who put in the effort deserve to get more out of it.  Yes, many of us link to Cascoly and/or AJT - but they in return link to every single one of us within the network.  They don't have to, they could be selective but without requiring anything from us in return they choose to spend their money (hosting) and time (listing and coding) their sites to benefit all of us in the network.

Yes, I do feel that only good things should be said about Symbiostock - my site runs using the software freely provided by Leo and links to his site which is my choice,  and it is MY Business.  Anyone who says or does anything against it is potentially harming My Business and I reserve the right to react accordingly

Shelma1

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« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2014, 09:06 »
+7
I can see a little of both sides.

On the one hand, the linking SEO aspects of Symbiostock have been oversold a bit. So if you built a website using the Symbiostock theme and linked to a few people and expected sales to start cascading into your lap, you were probably disappointed. (In one case, incredibly, bitterly disappointed.)

On the other, I'll bet Cathy isn't on a board somewhere ripping apart the creator of her new WP theme, which I doubt has brought her any sales either.

A few people have been successful on Symbiostock. Those people have a few things in commonbut the main thing is that they all worked hard at getting traffic to their sites. They all went beyond building a site and uploading images and linking to ten people.

When I asked Leo what he did, he responded with a long list of all the work he'd done. Then he invited Dennis to share what he did to get traffic, which was different but also took serious work.

So Symbiostock is a great theme, it's a great way to build a site, you'll get some SEO benefits from linking. But you have to do more work than that if you want a decent number of sales. That's just reality.

« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2014, 09:18 »
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I'm sorry to see yet another dust-up over Symbiostock here.

Cathy, you're of course right to relay how Symbiostock didn't work for you and your choice to move your site to something else, but you keep saying that you're just stating your opinions and you're doing more than that. You are in effect accusing Leo and some nameless others of setting things up to benefit themselves at the expense of site owners. You keep making this accusation, but other than getting mad when Leo won't explain the details of why Symbiostock is built the way it is, I haven't seen anything specific to back those suspicions up. How discussions of Bill Gates help clarify anything is lost on me.

Accusing other people of fraud is a serious thing. Phrasing the accusations as questions and then saying they aren't really accusations doesn't change anything. If you're happy with your new site, why do you keep returning to try and stir the pot in Symbiostock threads. You're done with Symbiostock, no?

Just wanted to add that I had no part in the ruckus on the SY forum, so clearly there are others who must think and feel the same way. It apparently has disappeared, so no one will be able to read and verify for themselves. Well played.

Accusing people of fraud...you can go ahead and throw those words out as a legal intimidation tactic. This is a forum where people have the right to say what they think and believe. I have explained why I say what I say and how I view it. These are all my opinions. What I see is in fact true for me. If its not true for you, cool. It still doesnt change what is true for me.
 
As far as being done with SY, I do not have an SY site anymore. I am still interested in whether adding hundreds of more sites changes anything for the majority of site owners as far as sales go. So yes, I will continue to read threads and post, if I want to.

As far as getting mad, I am not. I am happy with my site now, but believe it or not, there are others in the network with whom I still converse, share like views and would be glad to hear that they are making sales (at this time they are not).

As far as my new site, it is only a couple of weeks old. As far as the developers go, shelma1, they do not offer networking, so no, nothing to discuss there.

And now I really must get back to work.  :)
« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 09:23 by cathyslife stockphotos.com »

« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2014, 09:18 »
+2

And cascoly you keep lying about how i dropped out of networking early on. I never did. But you will to continue to perpetuate that one to make it seem like i dont get it.


Most people in the network have 10 links, plus a few more from keywords. You, cascoly, add every single person to your search page. Same with ajt. That means you have at least 10 people in your network PLUS links to every single person who builds a site. Thats up to what, 250, 300 people now? Is that not a correct statement? Therefore you have more benefits than most do in the networking department. Correct? Therefore you and some others will do way better than most others. Thats how the whole internet scheme works. I could build a site like you did and do the same thing you are doing, of course. Is the average photographer going to do that? No. Therefore a few in the network are benefitting much more than others because of the increased search traffic and links. It is to a few of your's benefit to downplay that fact and keep recruiting people so you can keep building traffic to your site. Meanwhile, those of us who believed that being part of the network with 10 or so links would have equal benefits, and that just isnt so. Thats what people building sites need to understand. The way to drive traffic to your site is with massive amounts of links. Having one or two thousand images and networking with ten or so people is probably not going to be enough.


You guys sound a lot like lobo at istock. Only good things can be said about SY, otherwise the person saying the not so good things is a lying, slanderous, unprofessional.  ::)


I have every right to express my opinion and say what i want and what i think to be true about this subject or any other. Everyone has a right to build a site and test it themselves. Everyone has a right to present an opposing view, whether others like it or not. You guys dont get to bully me into not saying what i think.


I have said it, and i will continue to post if and when i feel like i have something to say. Until Leaf bans me. This forum has always been the place to come to freely express views, whether negative or positive. And yet here are some of you trying to change that, now that you have a stake in something. When we were all griping about istock, this was a good place to speak, because we couldnt have our opinions censored. Now you want to censor and discredit anyone who expresses what they believe to be true. It can be done on the SY forum, thats why it was created. Posts are being deleted left and right. Thats cool. Leos game, leos rules.
From whatever I understand cascoly doesn't gain from linking all the websites.  All of us benefit who are linked from his website. An incoming link is much more important and valuable than outgoing link. Basically outgoin link has so little value you can ignore it.

YOU DONT UNDERSTAND SEO


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Shelma1

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« Reply #70 on: February 09, 2014, 09:44 »
+3

Just wanted to add that I had no part in the ruckus on the SY forum, so clearly there are others who must think and feel the same way. It apparently has disappeared, so no one will be able to read and verify for themselves. Well played.

No, I don't think anyone thinks and feels exactly the same way you do. A few of us (including me) had a disagreement about one small aspect of Symbiostock. We all still have Symbiostock sites. I'm still promoting all of us on Facebook. Stop by and give us a like.

https://www.facebook.com/SymbiostockPage

« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2014, 10:11 »
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oops, one more thing.

Cascoly, please remove me from your search website or anywhere else you have links to me. You have always said from the beginning that anyone can disconnect from SY anytime they choose.

ajt, please also delete me from the global search on your site, too.

Webmaster Tools is still showing the top three sites linked to me:
symbiostock.info
symbiostock.org
symbiostockphoto.com

I have already informed those who had me in their network weeks ago that I was disconnecting. If anyone else in the network is linked to my site, please feel free to use the slot for someone else.

In order for me to get a good read on what is successful and what is not, I must be TOTALLY disconnected from Symbiostock. That includes all the links you all have to my site.

Thanks!  :)

marthamarks

« Reply #72 on: February 09, 2014, 10:13 »
+4
A few of us (including me) had a disagreement about one small aspect of Symbiostock. We all still have Symbiostock sites.

I'm one who shared Shelma's disagreement on that one small aspect of Symbiostock, but I haven't bailed out of Symbiostock and don't intend to.

I'm still building my Symbiostock site (currently 1,610 images and growing) and am very proud of it.

I'm still one of Leo's biggest fans. I'm not out trashing him or others in the network.

And I "like" not only Symbiostock's FB page (which Shelma created and maintains) but also the fine interconnected network that Symbiostock has become.

As I recall, Cathy never linked to more than a couple of other sites while she was with Symbiostock. Several times, she stated she was "in this for myself", purely interested in her own sales, had no desire to help the network as a whole.

Nobody missed her when she dropped out of the Symbiostock network. Just a shame she feels driven to badmouth it over here.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 10:24 by marthamarks »

« Reply #73 on: February 09, 2014, 10:40 »
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I'm still building my Symbiostock site (currently 1,610 images and growing) and am very proud of it.

How are sales ?

marthamarks

« Reply #74 on: February 09, 2014, 10:52 »
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I'm still building my Symbiostock site (currently 1,610 images and growing) and am very proud of it.

How are sales ?

Not great for me. But others are doing quite well.

I'm patient. Building my site. Sales will come.


 

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