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RacePhoto

« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2013, 10:40 »
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So far I have been very happy with SymbioStock, every single one of my images has been accepted.  ;D

I'm looking forward to the same experience. ♥ That and if I get 100% of nothing at least I know someone else isn't taking 80% of that?  ::)


« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2013, 11:50 »
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Personally I'm ready to give anyone 50% of the selling price who sells my art.

50% would be way too much for the network situation.  As well as producing the images, you have the hard cost of web storage and bandwidth, as well as the soft costs of keywording etc.,

« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2013, 13:09 »
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50%? Why bother you in symbiostock or with a website? At  this point sell with the agencies. When you pay equipment, host, keywording time, promoting your site, what you get? Sincerely is the worst business plan heard in symbiostock section.

Leo Blanchette

« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2013, 19:57 »
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50%? Why bother you in symbiostock or with a website? At  this point sell with the agencies. When you pay equipment, host, keywording time, promoting your site, what you get? Sincerely is the worst business plan heard in symbiostock section.

LOL I guess we were due for a negative comment eventually. Symbiostock will never be taking commissions btw. But if I hadn't downloaded my own image from a  google app for free (thanks for tipping us off sjlocke) Symbiostock would not exist. So its going to pay to have a life-raft as sjlocke scenerios continue to inevitably become more commonplace-because they will. You can't tame an animal meant to be wild. The biggest corporations will always do this, because that is what they are made to do, and its what they must do. Its not even a rational issue, its simply an internal law which can't be over-ridden.

This subject tends to be hugely subjective, so I haven't said much, but my biggest payout comes from clipartof.com, and they upload anything you give them. What happens is quite simple: the customer makes a choice to buy or doesn't.

Also people have been so mesmerized by the "best match" theories they have of some of the bigger agencies they've overlooked some simple issues of supply and demand. Believe it or not search engines like flickr and google can actually accurately project which images are "interesting" or not. And there are more than one way to get found on them. Give yourself a few years "going it alone" and you'll be surprised how how you see things looking back.

I fully expect to be throttled for saying this I guess I got a bit of my dad in me. If the sky is blue I still have enough youth in me to admit it in public.

« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2013, 20:55 »
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One of the areas of concern for me when i consider contributing to smaller agencies or even start my own shop is security and fraud. How secure are these sites and what will happen when content is downloaded with stolen credit card numbers.

If i was a crook looking to make ez money online, image theft and selling for free online is one way to do it and if this symbiostock thing gets big, imagine all the directory of content at my finger tips to exploit.

Sorry if this topic has been covered before but i havent seen anyone talk about these topics which i think is pretty important.

Leo Blanchette

« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2013, 21:05 »
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The difference is instead of agency reversing your sale on the item, you would reverse the sale. You can take precautions, but nobody is really safe from hacking or other sorts of fraud. Its just one of those issues in pirate infested waters (internet) you have to deal with.

« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2013, 21:23 »
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Ok , an example...

What about blurriness  , and I don't mean blurry as an artistic value but a photograph defection type of blurriness.
And buyers are not happy to get technical defected image , and if that tends to happen often...

And I dont see that problem being solved by itself or  by "please don't upload that".

Some people will try to pump the portfolio size with those , and those are not good for the business.



What about 200 different processing of same image , or millions of low quality auto-traces.... you name it...

And people who do that can process way more that average microstocker and fill the engine with their work....

What sort of reputation will that get to the project ?

Would u want a site that gives u full sale %  a strong competitive site or filled with defected work, and we are aware that with prices we cannot compete with agencies.


Im convinced some sort of "whats get in"  has to be set , now or later...

 

 


Leo Blanchette

« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2013, 21:36 »
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Well I certainly appreciate people care enough to bring it up. I made it a personal decisions not to dictate license or style, or pretty much anything early on. So truly this is left to our budding community to figure out. I hope Symbiostock ends up being a sandbox where people build some pretty darn beautiful castles. All the complicated stuff aside, I'm just a kid playing in my lego pile :D with the added complexity that I have to monetize it.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2013, 21:38 by Leo »

« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2013, 21:56 »
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« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2013, 21:56 »
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What about ...


Way too much worries about stuff that might or might not happen. Far too early for me. I need all my worry energy getting my site up and running.  ;)

« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2013, 21:57 »
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edited: double post

farbled

« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2013, 22:14 »
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Im convinced some sort of "whats get in"  has to be set , now or later...

What gets into my website is whatever I choose. If people want to buy, they'll buy. If my stuff sucks, my sales should reflect that. You can choose not to network with me. Again, the choice is in the individual's hands.

Besides, who would make decisions about "what gets in"? It is impossible to police any and every one who downloads this software to sell whatever they wish on their own sites.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2013, 22:20 by farbled »

« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2013, 17:24 »
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This is the point farbled. We can think us not as all in a big ship, but as many small ship connected ready to help to reach a common goal. Some of these ship are more near (network) others are more distant and maybe want to follow a different route. In future I think what matters is that I'm ready to help near and far ship, because I believe in the symbiostock system, but the route that I follow is my choyce. So if someone in a network put in some images on wich I don't agree I'm free to leave the network. That's all. If the network is poor in content, fail; if not, it means simply that it is following another route. What we need care is the choice of the network member and the right way to promote the sites and the system to reach more ships and fellow (better member of our network).
When symbiostock will be ready, the most important thing will make it known. A network, without traffic fail it doesn't matter if it is good or bad; so first reach the traffic after the buyer and the people  judge which of these networks are good and which are not.

« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2013, 17:41 »
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This is the point farbled. We can think us not as all in a big ship, but as many small ship connected ready to help to reach a common goal. Some of these ship are more near (network) others are more distant and maybe want to follow a different route. In future I think what matters is that I'm ready to help near and far ship, because I believe in the symbiostock system, but the route that I follow is my choyce. So if someone in a network put in some images on wich I don't agree I'm free to leave the network. That's all. If the network is poor in content, fail; if not, it means simply that it is following another route. What we need care is the choice of the network member and the right way to promote the sites and the system to reach more ships and fellow (better member of our network).
When symbiostock will be ready, the most important thing will make it known. A network, without traffic fail it doesn't matter if it is good or bad; so first reach the traffic after the buyer and the people  judge which of these networks are good and which are not.

The first point is that if you don't like someone's images that is in your network, you don't have to leave the whole symbiostock network, you just don't network with that one person. I am certain there will be many more that you can choose from, one who's photos you do approve of.

Second, one of the beauties of the network is the SEO advantage. Hopefully, the bigger the network grows, the more traffic we will see and the higher in the searches we will appear.

I think we are saying the same thing...

« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2013, 17:44 »
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I think we are saying the same thing...
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Yes we are saying the same thing... but probably my poor english is difficult to understand.

« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2013, 17:47 »
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I think we are saying the same thing...
Yes we are saying the same thing... but probably my poor english is difficult to understand.


no worries. You are bilingual, I am not (except for a few dirty phrases in Spanish and the pledge of allegiance in French.) I am no one to criticize.  :)

farbled

« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2013, 18:08 »
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This is the point farbled. We can think us not as all in a big ship, but as many small ship connected ready to help to reach a common goal. Some of these ship are more near (network) others are more distant and maybe want to follow a different route. In future I think what matters is that I'm ready to help near and far ship, because I believe in the symbiostock system, but the route that I follow is my choyce. So if someone in a network put in some images on wich I don't agree I'm free to leave the network. That's all. If the network is poor in content, fail; if not, it means simply that it is following another route. What we need care is the choice of the network member and the right way to promote the sites and the system to reach more ships and fellow (better member of our network).
When symbiostock will be ready, the most important thing will make it known. A network, without traffic fail it doesn't matter if it is good or bad; so first reach the traffic after the buyer and the people  judge which of these networks are good and which are not.

That's one way to look at it, but I think you're missing that while a complete Symbiostock network (as yet undefined) is one thing, this is open source. Anyone, anywhere can install and network with whomever they wish to and vice versa for any product that can be downloaded. There is literally no way to curate a network unless you create your own and set your own rules. Now, if you're talking about creating a closed network of specific Symbiostock sites that you think would compliment your own, that's fine. It's built to do exactly that among other things.

If you're talking about having a brand specific network of sites using Symbiostock and have some central list or website and curating who can list there, then again I have to ask, who determines what's good and what isn't? It seems to me it kinda defeats the purpose of doing this project, which in my mind is about putting control of our content back into our hands instead of that of an agency.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean. But I don't want anyone other than me determining what I put up for sale.


 

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