Author Topic: What's holding you back from joining Symbiostock? (Read 77263 times)

cthoman · « **Reply #475 on:** November 25, 2013, 23:11 »

Quote from: cascoly on November 25, 2013, 21:03

but that's just not true -- SYM works right out of the box - you can install and have a working site in a very short time without doing ANY programming or coding. You need some computer savvy (eg, ftp and installing software, but sym requires no programming or even CSS]. whether a particular photographer likes it or not is a design & aesthetics concern but is not a problem with symbiostock. and even for design there are a number of simple solutions available.

This makes me laugh a little bit because I found all the Wordpress back end stuff much more confusing than CSS and html. But, all of it wasn't too bad. I did manage to get it all straightened out over the weekend. There is a lot of great info/resources out there for setting it up, but it seems to be spread out in several different locations.

It would be nice if it was a little more out of the box ready. It seems like there are a lot of pages to add (even without the text/info) and boxes to check and uncheck, but I suppose nothing is fully plug and play.

Ron · « **Reply #476 on:** November 26, 2013, 03:03 »

^^^

There is a Symbiostock wiki now with centralised documentation

www.symbiostock.org

Colette · « **Reply #477 on:** November 26, 2013, 04:36 »

What I don't understand is why anyone should write negative about the Symbiostock initiative without even being part of it.
If you don't like it: Let it be and do your own thing. Let others do theirs. You don't have to agree with everything that happens in the world.

In my opinion Leo Blanchette did and is doing, a great job. He and all the people joining SS, don't deserve the negativity some people are spreading around.

The idea of Symbiostock is not only (and for most people not even in the first place), about making money. This is about being proud of your work and yourself again. About being tired threatened like garbage by agencies, about breaking rules by agencies, about no respect for copyright by agencies and so on…
This explains the enthusiasm you can read between the lines reading the SS-forums.

Because when too much rocks are throwed in a mountain stream, it finds another way to flow down the mountain. Creativity needs to find a way out. That's the birth of Symbiostock.

For me: the first time I was reading about Leo’s idea and the symbiosis explanation in Paul Mecher’s blog, I was thinking that this was a fantastic idea, that it has the logic of nature in it and that I want to be part of it if possible. The idea of SS let people free to do things their own way, while at the same time they can be part of a global network.

Enough said. I am going back to work. Allthough I don't have any basic knowledge of Wordpress and website building, I am silently on my way trying to build my own Symbiostock website.

jsfoto · « **Reply #478 on:** November 26, 2013, 04:51 »

Wonderful post, Colette. Very well said ... Thanks

marthamarks · « **Reply #479 on:** November 26, 2013, 05:09 »

Very true, jsfoto. +1

Colette, you've done the MSG community a fine service with this post. It's absolutely right on.

cathyslife · « **Reply #480 on:** November 26, 2013, 05:56 »

bunhill · « **Reply #481 on:** November 26, 2013, 06:29 »

Quote from: Colette on November 26, 2013, 04:36

What I don't understand is why anyone should write negative about the Symbiostock initiative without even being part of it.

I am sure that quite a few people who are not part of this have nevertheless taken a good look at it.

I do not see much negativity here. If anything I think that many reasonable and bright people who might well have a useful perspective are probably not saying anything rather than risk the hassle of getting into arguments for expressing any observations, criticisms or doubts - either about the model or its implementation.

StockPhotosArt.com · « **Reply #482 on:** November 26, 2013, 08:13 »

Quote from: bunhill on November 26, 2013, 06:29

I am sure that quite a few people who are not part of this have nevertheless taken a good look at it.

I do not see much negativity here. If anything I think that many reasonable and bright people who might well have a useful perspective are probably not saying anything rather than risk the hassle of getting into arguments for expressing any observations, criticisms or doubts - either about the model or its implementation.

I don't think those involved in Symbiostock would be upset with constructive criticism, because we, better than anyone else, know the things that could have some improvement or new functionalities that could be added in the future, even if none of those stop the construction of a fully functional website with e-commerce.

The problem are comments made in bad faith, taking comments of others out of context about problems that don't have to do with Symbiostock specifically, and without showing that those issues have been readily solved with the help of other Symbiostock members very quickly when possible.

I'm with Symbiostock for a few weeks and that's been my experience.

As for the worries expressed about people having useful perspectives and shutting up not to enter into arguments, I think it's more damaging and demoting, for all those that still don't participate in this project, to read comments like a slanderous previous one than from people defending the concept because in the case of that comment people will automatically give up on the whole thing thinking that it's not worth it.

cascoly · « **Reply #483 on:** November 26, 2013, 15:28 »

Quote from: Colette on November 26, 2013, 04:36

.......For me: the first time I was reading about Leo’s idea and the symbiosis explanation in Paul Mecher’s blog, I was thinking that this was a fantastic idea, that it has the logic of nature in it and that I want to be part of it if possible. The idea of SS let people free to do things their own way, while at the same time they can be part of a global network.

Enough said. I am going back to work. Allthough I don't have any basic knowledge of Wordpress and website building, I am silently on my way trying to build my own Symbiostock website.

great post, but don't be TOO silent -- let us know if there's anything we can do to make things easier...

farbled · « **Reply #484 on:** November 26, 2013, 18:12 »

Quote from: cathyslife stockphotos.com on November 25, 2013, 10:42

Quote from: lirch on November 25, 2013, 10:00
I have a simple question for symbiostockers (if I can call you like that): Is it worthed to invest time and money?

So far, no. Have had a site up since april. Dont have over 1000 images up yet tho. Not ready to give up just yet. If i have 1000+ images up, am doing marketing, am selling those same images elsewhere, and still have no sales, i will say no, not worth it.

I'm in the same boat. No sales, but to be fair I have no put in a heck of a lot of time after the initial burst, and most of my stuff is very niche market. That said, I have other reasons to upload and keep my sites live. I've mentioned in another thread somewhere that besides making money, it never hurts to have all your stock photos online somewhere. 1. to ensure you don't lose them through theft, data corruption, etc and 2. so that you will never have to worry about having your work used under the "orphan works" provisions. Those right there make the less than 100 bucks I spent worth it.

Someday I will have had enough of MS agencies, and it'll be good to have my own sites.

Pilens · « **Reply #485 on:** November 26, 2013, 18:23 »

Quote from: farbled on November 26, 2013, 18:12

Quote from: cathyslife stockphotos.com on November 25, 2013, 10:42
Quote from: lirch on November 25, 2013, 10:00
I have a simple question for symbiostockers (if I can call you like that): Is it worthed to invest time and money?

So far, no. Have had a site up since april. Dont have over 1000 images up yet tho. Not ready to give up just yet. If i have 1000+ images up, am doing marketing, am selling those same images elsewhere, and still have no sales, i will say no, not worth it.

I'm in the same boat. No sales, but to be fair I have no put in a heck of a lot of time after the initial burst, and most of my stuff is very niche market. That said, I have other reasons to upload and keep my sites live. I've mentioned in another thread somewhere that besides making money, it never hurts to have all your stock photos online somewhere. 1. to ensure you don't lose them through theft, data corruption, etc and 2. so that you will never have to worry about having your work used under the "orphan works" provisions. Those right there make the less than 100 bucks I spent worth it.

Someday I will have had enough of MS agencies, and it'll be good to have my own sites.

I agree 100%. I'd do Symbiostock even if it was just for 1. ans 2. - Now, if sales cover expenses I am happy. Everything beyond that is like winning the lottery without even buying a ticket

Batman · « **Reply #486 on:** December 04, 2013, 06:50 »

colette the question is What's holding you back from joining Symbiostock? Not why I need to try it first before I'm allowed to make a comment. I answered the question. You don't have a running Symbiostock site and you can attack me for not having a site. You should attck the person who asked the question not me. To others I answered using quotes from your own forum and you attck me? Where do I read these if they are not true.

You are all acting mean, like a private club. You circle like dogs, barking and biting at me. You think intimidation and anger is the way to attract new members to your cult. You are all to defensive and try to stop anything that looks negative by bullying somebody who asks questions. Do you want to dictate with fear. Because that's what your dictators are doing now. 16 hearts for a nasty personal attack at me, and she has not site.

You want to tell me what license, what price and what I should have on my site. How else do you want to rule over me? One person answered my answer and questions, all the rest made personal attacks. Is that how you are helpful and frindly to new people?

Nothing I write says Leo is not doing, a great job. He is. It is about the Symbiostock system. Now it's about the cult of blind followers. I change my answer to I would never join a Symbiostock cult run by mean and nasty dictators. You have showed others who can read, what kind of people you really are.

Leo did big job of wirting some good program to make people free. You want to take over and be ruling dictators of what good he did for us. A few people want to have their Orwellian Distopia and have created that. You have mind control and thinkspeak and thought police. You buly and intimidate anybody who asks questions or doesn't obey the group mob orders.

Ron · « **Reply #487 on:** December 04, 2013, 07:04 »

See, you have no understanding of the Symbiostock site, there lies the problem. You assume you cant set your own licence and pricin, but in fact you can. You can add any content you want. Assumptions are the mother of all * ups.

noodle · « **Reply #488 on:** December 04, 2013, 07:21 »

we..are..not...a... cult....we...are...not...a..cult.......huummmmmmm......

jsfoto · « **Reply #489 on:** December 04, 2013, 07:25 »

Quote from: Ron on December 04, 2013, 07:04

See, you have no understanding of the Symbiostock site, there lies the problem. You assume you cant set your own licence and pricin, but in fact you can. You can add any content you want. Assumptions are the mother of all * ups.

Exactly.

Quote from: Batman on December 04, 2013, 06:50

... You are all acting mean, like a private club. ...

Be assured: We are not! New people are joining the Symbiostock network regularly and they get a warm welcome and all the help they might need by the older members. You could have experienced that yourself if you acted differently ...

StockPhotosArt.com · « **Reply #490 on:** December 04, 2013, 09:37 »

@ Batman

I've directed a comment to you based on your comment #448 seen two pages before this one.

I stick to everything I've mentioned before. You took sentences out of context, mentioning problems people created themselves by playing with code without having understanding of it, to change things that under no circumstances are mandatory or necessary to have a fully functional website. Plus in some cases there are plugins available that allow overcoming some limitations of Wordpress. But again, those limitations DO NOT stop the creation of a fully functional site.

Your last comment saying "Flawless" is just a mirror of who you are. You're not here to clear doubts but to attack this project in total bad faith.

In fact, your last post shows how ignorant you are about Symbiostock, EVERYONE PRICES THEIR IMAGES WITH THE VALUES THEY FREELY CHOOSE FROM 0 TO +1 MILLION DOLLARS WITHOUT DIRECTIONS OR ORDERS FROM ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, plus we connect to whoever we want and can even choose not connect to anyone!!!

So your diatribe about dictatorships or for Symbiostock being a cult is nothing more than the result of a mental diarrhea that you've decided to put into writing just to aggravate and (continue to) slander the only people that are trying to find a way for photographers to have a word in this business.

We are not a cult since no one has ever dictated me what to do. No one said what images I can or cannot upload, no one said what prices should I put on my images, no one gave me orders on how my site must look like and so on.

Symbiostock is "just" a Wordpress plugin that allows for you to create a personal photo website with e-commerce, choose your pricing, and to connect to others in a network if you decide to do so.

It doesn't matter if we're talking about Symbiostock, a football club or a Nation. As soon someone starts spreading ignorant lies in bad faith people will react by exposing those lies and the people saying them for what they are. It has nothing to do with a cult. It simply has to do with truth and honesty.

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Author Topic: What's holding you back from joining Symbiostock? (Read 77263 times)

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