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EmberMike

« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2013, 13:09 »
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...No, my dearies, this is not rudeness! This IS the basics...

As already stated, no, it's not "the basics". WordPress theme developers don't work like this. Check out any of the big ones. See for yourself.



« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2013, 15:15 »
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This was an incredibly insulting and inflammatory title for a post. Seriously. Who does something like this?

For your information, the question "Is this a con?" is always first in my mind when I come across a website offering something "for free" but without the legal basics covered. Even though I stated it in jest to attract attention, it's a valid question. The more sensitive the responses are to this, the longer we go without real answers, well... I'll draw my conclusions.

Leo has given us an incredible tool, free of charge. What has Dolores given us?

You can believe in free lunch if you like, your choice. I believe in business models, and Leo does seem to have a good thing going here. If he wants to attract serious users he will cover the legal angles as is the norm in all business, open-source or not.

this exposes why you just don't get it -- you start out with the negative idea that a site has to prove it's not trying to con you.  symbio works on the principle that most people are ethical and we're trying to work together. add in the idea that we realize that other artists are not our enemies and that by highlighting each other's work we break out of the zerosum game the agencies lock us into.

so, like others who have posted, you're arguing for what you would do if you created  sym, rather than understanding what it is designed to do.   

steve

« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2013, 16:23 »
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I'm glad I got your attention... I have questions.

1. Where can I find the Symbiostock Privacy Policy? For both the artists that use it to set up their websites and their buyers.

2. Where can read about the security features of Symbiostock? How are images protected from unauthorised access? How is the buyer protected?

3. Which part of Symbiostock is open source and which isn't? Can the project be forked by a third party? Is there a guarantee that the project will remain open source?

All advice appreciated, thank you in advance.

Dolores

PS: About the contentious subject line of my post.. If this project has legs, its creators and supporters won't fear such questions. :-)

Are you a con? You sure read like  a poor attempt at one.

« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2013, 16:59 »
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Are you a con? You sure read like  a poor attempt at one.

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And a very rude con to boot.

Les

« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2013, 21:19 »
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Are you a con? You sure read like  a poor attempt at one.

+1

And a very rude con to boot.
+1     I would add stupid

« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2013, 01:15 »
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The questions Dolores asks are perfectly legitimate.
Your reaction is not.

Love of the baby is not enough, you have to think about security and legal issues.
Just the last couple of days there have been security breaks in symbiostock so it has proven relevant at this early point.

Open source and trust, do not hold water if first big money begin to flow, and is that not what you hope for?
Im astonished that you are not listening carefully but react with ignorance instead of discussing and acting on these things.

Same when I critisized the other day. You cannot bear to hear it and react with killing the messenger.

quailrunphoto

« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2013, 01:41 »
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Just the last couple of days there have been security breaks in symbiostock so it has proven relevant at this early point.

Really? more details please.


« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2013, 02:11 »
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http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-general/spam-registrations/msg331621/?topicseen#new

http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-technical-support/just-had-a-sale-buyer-can%27t-download-file-help!/msg331889/?topicseen#new


These are regular small hurdles in a development like this. SYS has smaller and lot less of those then most projects I'v seen. What an uneducated moronic thread.

« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2013, 02:20 »
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Are they also minor flaws for the customer who couldnt get the file he paid for?

gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2013, 02:37 »
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Same when I critisized the other day. You cannot bear to hear it and react with killing the messenger.
to be honest, initially I thought Dolores was you, but the English seems native.

« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2013, 02:48 »
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Dolores is not me.

gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2013, 03:32 »
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cos you are brave enough just to put your unedited opinions out there...  fair enough. in the real world i love real people like you.

« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2013, 04:43 »
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cos you are brave enough just to put your unedited opinions out there...  fair enough. in the real world i love real people like you.

I also like you Gillian, I like aussies, Im sorry I only know you on the net.

And there is enough of camouflage and hidden agendas on the net.

It proves in the long run, that you are best off by being yourself. Some people like it, some dont. That compares to the RL. Your opinions might have weight, or not, and they can be elaborated because you get feedback.
In the symbio discussion, my views have been elaborated a bit, and maybe I have even sparkled some discussions.

However, I do get minuses for a simple statement: that im not Dolores. That is strange. Talk about killing the messenger with a vengance!

gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2013, 04:52 »
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well there's a fine balance between speaking your mind, being truthful, being hurtful, being rude, being funny, being honest..........  I also find it very useful to be able to write what I want to say, and then delete it all. written conversations last longer.

« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2013, 04:54 »
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http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-general/spam-registrations/msg331621/?topicseen#new

http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-technical-support/just-had-a-sale-buyer-can%27t-download-file-help!/msg331889/?topicseen#new


These are regular small hurdles in a development like this. SYS has smaller and lot less of those then most projects I'v seen. What an uneducated moronic thread.


herein lies the real danger.
First its not a minor thing for the customer. Imagine if it was you.

And next, the real point.
A chain is not stronger than the weakest link.
By having such a calamity, like a shop that has not tested the sales funktions, now undermines ALL OF YOUR SHOPS since you are interconnected.
The damage is manyfold and multiplied.
This customer remembers both the shop, and the symbio network name, and has lost trust in both.'

So this little small error, from one of the members has cost you all.

As well as you can benifit from eachother the opposite can also happen.
And this was a minor thing, that was soone corrected.
But what if something major happens, such as a real nigerian scam among you.
I mentioned it before. It was not taken seroulsly.
I might no comprehend the symbio idea fully, and certainly not the details.
But do you comprehend what synergy in networks can do?

Someone mentioned exponentially growing curves.


gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2013, 04:59 »
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herein lies the real danger.

or the power.

Imagine connecting with people BETTER than you.  I have a couple of girlfriends who are graphic designers, jewellery makers and gourmet foodie types. Imagine connecting in a group them to maximise your different skills.

that's where I see the positives and the power of this system.

« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2013, 05:01 »
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well there's a fine balance between speaking your mind, being truthful, being hurtful, being rude, being funny, being honest..........  I also find it very useful to be able to write what I want to say, and then delete it all. written conversations last longer.

true, and the net never forgets.
I sometimes tear my hair out, when I find old posts I have made. How stupid I was.
But I still do it. I am who I am, and sometimes it costs.

« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2013, 05:06 »
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http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-general/spam-registrations/msg331621/?topicseen#new

http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-technical-support/just-had-a-sale-buyer-can%27t-download-file-help!/msg331889/?topicseen#new


These are regular small hurdles in a development like this. SYS has smaller and lot less of those then most projects I'v seen. What an uneducated moronic thread.


herein lies the real danger.
First its not a minor thing for the customer. Imagine if it was you.

And next, the real point.
A chain is not stronger than the weakest link.
By having such a calamity, like a shop that has not tested the sales funktions, now undermines ALL OF YOUR SHOPS since you are interconnected.
The damage is manyfold and multiplied.
This customer remembers both the shop, and the symbio network name, and has lost trust in both.'

So this little small error, from one of the members has cost you all.

As well as you can benifit from eachother the opposite can also happen.
And this was a minor thing, that was soone corrected.
But what if something major happens, such as a real nigerian scam among you.
I mentioned it before. It was not taken seroulsly.
I might no comprehend the symbio idea fully, and certainly not the details.
But do you comprehend what synergy in networks can do?

Someone mentioned exponentially growing curves.


So what's your point, have you ever seen a system free of scam? This is a kindergarten debate. What you see is the regular workings of new a market in the making. This system is an infant, and already works almost like an adult, which is brilliant. One of the best projects I'v seen in years, and some ppl try to make this look like horror story... sour grapes or what? just buzz off ppl.

« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2013, 05:07 »
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herein lies the real danger.

or the power.

Imagine connecting with people BETTER than you.  I have a couple of girlfriends who are graphic designers, jewellery makers and gourmet foodie types. Imagine connecting in a group them to maximise your different skills.

that's where I see the positives and the power of this system.
Sure, thats what we all hope for.
We do not hope for someone to make a mistake that draws us all down.
You should take all reasonable precautions to avoid that.
and that can be built into the system and should, whenever it was possible and recognized.

« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2013, 05:10 »
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Out of 70+ sales only one had issue. That is less than 2%. Is it not good enough?
Best part is that we are able to get back to our customers quickly and resolve the issue. 

gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2013, 05:19 »
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yup, don't' live your life in fear of that 3% of ppl. live your life to fulfill those who love and appreciate what you do.

i'm not sure there's much financial difference between the 2 attitudes, but there's no cancer-related illnesses in the latter. That's really my goal in life: to be healthy, happy and proud of what I do. Let the lawyers get cancer, let the doctors profit. It's the new "circle of life". I want to get as far from that as possible.

« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2013, 05:19 »
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http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-general/spam-registrations/msg331621/?topicseen#new

http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-technical-support/just-had-a-sale-buyer-can%27t-download-file-help!/msg331889/?topicseen#new


These are regular small hurdles in a development like this. SYS has smaller and lot less of those then most projects I'v seen. What an uneducated moronic thread.


herein lies the real danger.
First its not a minor thing for the customer. Imagine if it was you.

And next, the real point.
A chain is not stronger than the weakest link.
By having such a calamity, like a shop that has not tested the sales funktions, now undermines ALL OF YOUR SHOPS since you are interconnected.
The damage is manyfold and multiplied.
This customer remembers both the shop, and the symbio network name, and has lost trust in both.'

So this little small error, from one of the members has cost you all.

As well as you can benifit from eachother the opposite can also happen.
And this was a minor thing, that was soone corrected.
But what if something major happens, such as a real nigerian scam among you.
I mentioned it before. It was not taken seroulsly.
I might no comprehend the symbio idea fully, and certainly not the details.
But do you comprehend what synergy in networks can do?

Someone mentioned exponentially growing curves.


So what's your point, have you ever seen a system free of scam? This is a kindergarten debate. What you see is the regular workings of new a market in the making. This system is an infant, and already works almost like an adult, which is brilliant. One of the best projects I'v seen in years, and some ppl try to make this look like horror story... sour grapes or what? just buzz off ppl.


I have 3 points.
1... It would not take much effort to make the system much better so it actually is, what you thought it should be.
2... You are extremely vulnerable. You are likely to be exploited by someone. Maybe at best your work has been in vain. Im not sure, but im worried.
3...Nothing is ever a sandbox for ever, people listen ad watch. Happy hours only lasts until someone sees it can be moneyterized. You should make sure it is you who earn the money on your work..

Ron

« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2013, 05:27 »
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Spam is not a breach of security, what a load of tosh. And if you question the security of Symbiostock, you question the security of WordPress.

Seriously, you havent even set up a site with Symbiostock, so how can you say all these things? If Symbiostock is not secure I challenge you to email part of the code to Leo that you think is a vulnerability.


« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2013, 05:29 »
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Out of 70+ sales only one had issue. That is less than 2%. Is it not good enough?
Best part is that we are able to get back to our customers quickly and resolve the issue.

No.
1-2 % is totally unacceptable in a digital world.
and worse in interdependant networks.
also, it should not have been published. the file should just have been sent, apologized for an bonused.

you are not able to get back to the customers, when first there are many.




 

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