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Leo Blanchette

« on: July 19, 2013, 02:59 »
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It looks like I'm onto my second public apology in MSG.

JPSDK was trying to help out and I had misunderstood his intentions/delivery. Along with that my humor was badly placed. Its easy to forget (especially in my case) not every culture communicates the same around the world. And this business is shared by many cultures and minds vastly different, and I often forget that.

So I just wanted to apologize to JPSDK for my lack of discretion in his well-intentioned criticism. He has quite a few good insights.


gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2013, 04:17 »
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i'd say 20% of the time his stuff is good, but other times he just like to rant or be contrary.

but, I get that too.  ;D  (i've got german ancestry and I'm married to a Dutch Saffer, it's in my blood)

but kudos to you Leo, you are always +1.

« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2013, 04:52 »
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Thanks Leo.
No hard feelings.

and 20%, thats not good enough.
I need it up on 50%.

gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2013, 05:53 »
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and 20%, thats not good enough.
I need it up on 50%.
ja, at least. actually if you understand how everything works, you need to be at 80% good stuff. simple 80/20 rule.

« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2013, 07:43 »
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...and I'm married to a Dutch Saffer...)


Wow, you're in Aus right? Can I come to your house for the next Tri-Nations? I'll bring the model releases.

Back on topic, the thing about the interwebs is that it's the interwebs. Missed points and contextual inexactitude everywhere. But you know that so I don't even know why I'm typing it.

Looks like some wires got crossed between two well-meaning blokes both with strong personalities, 4000 miles/6400 km apart and typing stuff at each other as if they were having a conversation over a beer.

Mmmm, beer...



« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2013, 08:19 »
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The real problem comes from that the native speakers expect us, because we share their language, to also share their culture.

But we dont. American humour is completely meaningless or in best case childish to me and Brittish undertones and pretended politeness/ poisouness is also completely wasted half of the times, and HALF is dangerous.

It would help if we remembered to picture us all sitting out there in strawhuts, igloos or houseboats, up in the freezing North, in the swamps at the Sambezi or in the black hole in Calcutta.

in short: because we speak English it does not mean we are wannabe Americans, we can be something very different.

« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2013, 09:19 »
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@JPSDK
From reading your offensive comments I sometimes get the impression that your writing is faster than your thinking.

Nobody expects you to share a culture. Sharing a little courtesy and respect might help though.

If in doubt, shutting up might sometimes be a good idea, too.

« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2013, 09:25 »
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The real problem comes from that the native speakers expect us, because we share their language, to also share their culture.

But we dont. American humour is completely meaningless or in best case childish to me and Brittish undertones and pretended politeness/ poisouness is also completely wasted half of the times, and HALF is dangerous.

It would help if we remembered to picture us all sitting out there in strawhuts, igloos or houseboats, up in the freezing North, in the swamps at the Sambezi or in the black hole in Calcutta.

in short: because we speak English it does not mean we are wannabe Americans, we can be something very different.
Clearly, this is what was in your mind when you addressed Leo initially.

« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2013, 09:49 »
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Its true I sometimes press the button too quickly.

But I am almost never deliberately offensive. And in the Symbiostock debate I certainly wasnt.
At least I dont think I was.

I was persistent, argumentative, engaged. Maybe even half maniac.
You saw it as contrary, rude, and offensive.

And it does have to do with culture.
In my culture it is offensive to say: "You are stupid" but not offensive to say: "That codeline you have done is stupid".

So when I critizise a project quite persistently, there is no intended critisism of the people behind it. It is not rude in my culture, and how can I know it is in yours?

Also it is not so important. It proves that people get insulted by the strangest of things, especially petowners, but also me, I have been insulted 1000 times on the net on purpose or not.

I was insulted by Leos humor, and thats exactly because it was personal, and thats not allowed in my culture. It doesnt easen up, it makes it worse.

But not important, we are different, and sometimes we clash, and so what!? We can sleep on it and get over it and get something done instead.





« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2013, 10:04 »
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I grew up and spent 35 years of my life in Germany, I know the European culture pretty well.
Some of your comments really are offensive, rude and intolerant. No matter if you see it from a European or American perspective. Maybe you're lacking the perception to notice it in your own posts.

Over and out.

« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2013, 10:10 »
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« Last Edit: July 20, 2013, 01:22 by JPSDK »

« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2013, 10:34 »
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In my culture it is offensive to say: "You are stupid" but not offensive to say: "That codeline you have done is stupid".


Being English I feel insulted by "Brittish undertones and pretended politeness/ poisouness " but shall ignore it  and get to my point.

I feel that it is also offensive to say "That codeline you have done is stupid", but not offensive to say " I feel that codeline is stupid because ................" and give a specific reason or even better to give a detailed and specific alternative

« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2013, 10:56 »
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In my culture it is offensive to say: "You are stupid" but not offensive to say: "That codeline you have done is stupid".


Being English I feel insulted by "Brittish undertones and pretended politeness/ poisouness " but shall ignore it  and get to my point.

We are having a language lesson here, thats not so bad.
That I can understand. As if the Brits were always poisonous:  I should have said Brittish undertones and politeness, sometimes poisonousness camouflaged as politeness.


I feel that it is also offensive to say "That codeline you have done is stupid", but not offensive to say " I feel that codeline is stupid because ................" and give a specific reason or even better to give a detailed and specific alternative
That is also correct, its much more nuanced. Its better to have an object. Then it is clear we are not talking about the person.

But this is the net, and the net enhances everything, not as bad as cellphone txts, but still to a large degree. Communication on the net has a lot to do with carrying messages across in a speedy and short way. Thats why synergy on the net is sometimes amazingly quick, and of course also explain all the hurt feelings.

« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2013, 11:27 »
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... but if it is that person's treasured possession or something they have spent a lot of time working on then it can be just as hurtful as referring to them personally.

For instance if I said your elf picture is all wrong and you had spent two days solid planning, shooting and working on it I would expect that you would be hurt, but if I said that doing your elf picture is all wrong  because you forgot to/missed out/included/whatever that would be much more constructive and help us both because you would have my opinion, which may or may not be right and I would have looked at a picture deeply enough to learn something by critiquing it.   That last bit  has made me realise what I am getting at - constructive criticism is useful, criticism for the sake of it without any explanation is destructive.

« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2013, 11:38 »
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ja, I see what you mean, though its not such a good comparison since im quite battle hardened when it comes to image critique.

But then again more KUDOS to Leo who can see it all from above, and give me more than the benifit of the doubt.
Thats nice and we can learn from that.

My domestic Irish agrees with you all and I thought she wouldnt have. So its me who is the fool and the offender.
Thats not so good, because then I also have to apologize, and thats quite difficult (humour intended), and Im not used to that.

« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2013, 12:22 »
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At least you see what I mean,  I am not going to keep giving examples until I touch on one that works  :)

Are you being outnumbered by women today then ?  :D

« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2013, 13:22 »
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Ja, and thats terrible , and you have to realize that women are half of the worlds population and they are more litterate and can better express themselves, while we men are better at nowadays unusefull tasks like swinging swords and find our way in woods.

« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2013, 14:41 »
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Ja, and thats terrible , and you have to realize that women are half of the worlds population and they are more litterate and can better express themselves, while we men are better at nowadays unusefull tasks like swinging swords and find our way in woods.

I agree. And the next step in the evolution of us men is to be able to do both at the same time. But don't hold your breath.

« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2013, 14:48 »
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That reminds me about something I would like to find out about multitasking. And find out how common it is.

I cannot both type on a keybord fx like now and also talk. I can listen, but I cannot type and talk at the same time.
Is that only me? or is it common and most important, is it a sex related thing?

What about you? male or female, Can you type and talk about something else at the same time?


« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2013, 14:52 »
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Female:  Yes I can, in fact I am doing it at the moment having a conversation about growing asparagus with my husband while typing this.  Not if it requires a great deal of concentration though such as with me, numbers

« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2013, 15:08 »
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Interesting tinny,
anyone else?

gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2013, 17:09 »
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"domestic" means "housekeeper" in my culture, did you mean that? And I'm glad she agreed, as I said to you privately, I am always berating my husband for speaking bluntly. Even though he is an English speaker, the south africans have a very blunt way of communicating that doesn't translate well. However, plenty of them live here in Australia and manage to work out what is, and isn't offensive.

and yes, i'm drinking coffee and chatting with my daughter whilst typing here. multitasking is a female blessing. :)

« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2013, 18:06 »
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That reminds me about something I would like to find out about multitasking. And find out how common it is.

I cannot both type on a keybord fx like now and also talk. I can listen, but I cannot type and talk at the same time.
Is that only me? or is it common and most important, is it a sex related thing?

What about you? male or female, Can you type and talk about something else at the same time?

I used to be playing a multiplayer online game while simultaneously chatting to several of the players in separate conversations;  or would handle an incoming phone conversation while playing or running photoshop.

when cooking I can be preparing 3 different courses, cooking, chopping and palnning timing, while talking to guests

several studies do show though, that you don't perform any task as well as when you're concentrating on it alone - that's one reason why talking on a cell phone while driving is dangerous


 

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