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Ron

« on: June 09, 2013, 02:12 »
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Hi all,

I have been wondering about this. I want to create a page with FAA cart on my SY site. However, some images are similar on both FAA and for sale as RF. Pricing is of course different. Here is where my question come in.

How do you justify the price hike between RF stock and FAA? This is mainly for the full res. I am selling full res for 20 euro, but the pricing on FAA for that same image is around 125 euro.

I could justify it because I am the artist and I decide how my images are priced, plus all the extra work involved needs to be compensated. Which is true.

Next question. I could lose FAA sales over this as they can download the image and go to their own POD site. Which is fine. A sale is a sale. But would it be smart considering that, not linking my FAA cart to my SY site?

Thank you for your thoughts.

Now all I need to do is figure out how to implement this FAA shopping cart code on SY.  :D


« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2013, 03:10 »
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Hi all,

I have been wondering about this. I want to create a page with FAA cart on my SY site. However, some images are similar on both FAA and for sale as RF. Pricing is of course different. Here is where my question come in.

How do you justify the price hike between RF stock and FAA? This is mainly for the full res. I am selling full res for 20 euro, but the pricing on FAA for that same image is around 125 euro.

I could justify it because I am the artist and I decide how my images are priced, plus all the extra work involved needs to be compensated. Which is true.

Next question. I could lose FAA sales over this as they can download the image and go to their own POD site. Which is fine. A sale is a sale. But would it be smart considering that, not linking my FAA cart to my SY site?

Thank you for your thoughts.

Now all I need to do is figure out how to implement this FAA shopping cart code on SY.  :D

Your last question first: just get the code line from FAA, install the Wordpress plugin "iframe", create a page "Prints" (or whatever), paste the code (and remodel it a bit according to iframe-plugin syntax), add that page to your main menu - done!

Comparing FAA prints with RF digital files is like apples and oranges, isn't it?

Sure, if you overprice your FAA stuff you might sell an image file instead. But this buyer still has to go through the hassle dealing with that cheap POD site of his/her choice. Will they deliver FAA quality? Can they handle odd formats? Do they offer that fancy canvas? etc. - I have no concerns.

Your success on FAA mainly depends on your own marketing. So if you don't link your SY site with your FAA stuff you are missing out on cross-marketing both sites. You might lose sales potential on both sites.
I see absolutely no good reason not linking FAA with my SY even more so FAA offers this nicely integrated page/cart. A buyer does not even leave my SY site (at least not on the browser surface). I wish other POD sites would offer something similar (e.g. RedBubble for calendars, Zazzle for t-shirts, etc).

Ron

« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2013, 03:21 »
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Your last question first: just get the code line from FAA, install the Wordpress plugin "iframe", create a page "Prints" (or whatever), paste the code (and remodel it a bit according to iframe-plugin syntax), add that page to your main menu - done!


Thanks, I did that but it just wont work, its either placed at the bottom of the page below the blog menu widgets, or if I use a blank page, its not showing up at all. I think the Javascript code line is blocking the iframe code from being read properly as WP doesnt support direct JS.


Ron

« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2013, 03:24 »
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Hi all,

I have been wondering about this. I want to create a page with FAA cart on my SY site. However, some images are similar on both FAA and for sale as RF. Pricing is of course different. Here is where my question come in.

How do you justify the price hike between RF stock and FAA? This is mainly for the full res. I am selling full res for 20 euro, but the pricing on FAA for that same image is around 125 euro.

I could justify it because I am the artist and I decide how my images are priced, plus all the extra work involved needs to be compensated. Which is true.

Next question. I could lose FAA sales over this as they can download the image and go to their own POD site. Which is fine. A sale is a sale. But would it be smart considering that, not linking my FAA cart to my SY site?

Thank you for your thoughts.

Now all I need to do is figure out how to implement this FAA shopping cart code on SY.  :D



Comparing FAA prints with RF digital files is like apples and oranges, isn't it?

Sure, if you overprice your FAA stuff you might sell an image file instead. But this buyer still has to go through the hassle dealing with that cheap POD site of his/her choice. Will they deliver FAA quality? Can they handle odd formats? Do they offer that fancy canvas? etc. - I have no concerns.

Your success on FAA mainly depends on your own marketing. So if you don't link your SY site with your FAA stuff you are missing out on cross-marketing both sites. You might lose sales potential on both sites.
I see absolutely no good reason not linking FAA with my SY even more so FAA offers this nicely integrated page/cart. A buyer does not even leave my SY site (at least not on the browser surface). I wish other POD sites would offer something similar (e.g. RedBubble for calendars, Zazzle for t-shirts, etc).

I understand the POD and DL part but why sell the POD image for more then the DL image? Its the same image.

« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2013, 03:46 »
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Your last question first: just get the code line from FAA, install the Wordpress plugin "iframe", create a page "Prints" (or whatever), paste the code (and remodel it a bit according to iframe-plugin syntax), add that page to your main menu - done!


Thanks, I did that but it just wont work, its either placed at the bottom of the page below the blog menu widgets, or if I use a blank page, its not showing up at all. I think the Javascript code line is blocking the iframe code from being read properly as WP doesnt support direct JS.


Our print page is at http://www.picturemojo.co.nz/prints-from-fine-art-america/

The code for our page is:

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<h1 style="text-align: center;">Prints from Fine Art America</h1>
<p style="text-align: center;">You can order prints of a selection of our photos in various media from this page.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Please note that print orders placed here will be fulfilled by <a href="http://www.fineartamerica.com" target="_blank">Fine Art America</a>, and their shopping cart is separate from our cart for image licensing on the main site.</p>
<iframe style="display: inline-block; width: 100%; height: 820px; border: none; overflow: hidden;" src="https://fineartamerica.com/widgetshoppingcart/artwork.html?memberidtype=artistid&amp;memberid=******&amp;domainid=0&amp;showheader=0&amp;height=600" height="240" width="320"></iframe>

using the iframe plugin. Is that what you have?

« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2013, 03:51 »
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It is also a shame that FAA is purely American - costs more for delivery (to UK) than some of the items cost, are there any other sites that are easy to link to that are multi national?



« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2013, 04:16 »
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I have 1,120 views and still no sales with FAA.  Looks like a waste of time for me, not sure if buyers are going to the micros to get the image cheap and print their own.  Its a shame that none of the micros have got print on demand to work for them.

Ron

« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2013, 04:29 »
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Thanks Travelling Light, will check that out.

Sharpshot, I do 2-3 sale per month on FAA with my images, which are not the best in the world. I have 400 images on FAA. My commercial portfolio is 800 images, but not all FAA images are in my commercial port as they wont pass reviewers.

This one for example has noise and is a tad soft, cropped ears, however, for FAA its acceptable, different ball game. If someone likes the image, they can hang it on their wall.




« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2013, 04:31 »
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I'm not sure what my problem is because I can sell on Zazzle and have even sold a few on Redbubble but nothing yet with FAA.

Ron

« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2013, 04:34 »
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Funny, Zazzle does not work for me  ;)

« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2013, 12:04 »
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Your last question first: just get the code line from FAA, install the Wordpress plugin "iframe", create a page "Prints" (or whatever), paste the code (and remodel it a bit according to iframe-plugin syntax), add that page to your main menu - done!


Thanks, I did that but it just wont work, its either placed at the bottom of the page below the blog menu widgets, or if I use a blank page, its not showing up at all. I think the Javascript code line is blocking the iframe code from being read properly as WP doesnt support direct JS.

That's weird.
What page template do you use? - I use "page - Full width".

And the code
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[iframe src='https://fineartamerica.com/widgetshoppingcart/artwork.html?memberidtype=artistid&memberid=177209&domainid=0&showheader=0&height=600' style='display: inline-block; width: 100%; height: 820px; border: none; overflow: hidden;']goes as text in the content area. It is actually so simple that I've trouble even imagining what goes wrong on your site...

« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2013, 12:09 »
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the only sales I had on FAA were for greeting cards & didn't cover the cost of the service.  I get dribbles from zazzle & redbubble but leave them since they're free.  i'm linking my smugmug & sym sites - partly because at this point the content is still different, but mostly because smugmug provides all the print & merchandise services without my involvement

the biggest difference is the cross marketing that we're already seeing thru sym - on the other services all others are your competitors.  with  sym your competitors may bring you sales

finally, on price, there's nothing wrong with multiple prices - I can buy the same book on amazon that other stores charge 50% more for.  and buyers can be lazy -- I sell hundreds of maps & classics illustrated comics every year and prices can vary by a factor of 10 -- I often get a sale on amazon at $20 when the same comic is listed there for $5.

« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2013, 12:11 »
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Hi all,

I have been wondering about this. I want to create a page with FAA cart on my SY site. However, some images are similar on both FAA and for sale as RF. Pricing is of course different. Here is where my question come in.

How do you justify the price hike between RF stock and FAA? This is mainly for the full res. I am selling full res for 20 euro, but the pricing on FAA for that same image is around 125 euro.

I could justify it because I am the artist and I decide how my images are priced, plus all the extra work involved needs to be compensated. Which is true.

Next question. I could lose FAA sales over this as they can download the image and go to their own POD site. Which is fine. A sale is a sale. But would it be smart considering that, not linking my FAA cart to my SY site?

Thank you for your thoughts.

Now all I need to do is figure out how to implement this FAA shopping cart code on SY.  :D



Comparing FAA prints with RF digital files is like apples and oranges, isn't it?

Sure, if you overprice your FAA stuff you might sell an image file instead. But this buyer still has to go through the hassle dealing with that cheap POD site of his/her choice. Will they deliver FAA quality? Can they handle odd formats? Do they offer that fancy canvas? etc. - I have no concerns.

Your success on FAA mainly depends on your own marketing. So if you don't link your SY site with your FAA stuff you are missing out on cross-marketing both sites. You might lose sales potential on both sites.
I see absolutely no good reason not linking FAA with my SY even more so FAA offers this nicely integrated page/cart. A buyer does not even leave my SY site (at least not on the browser surface). I wish other POD sites would offer something similar (e.g. RedBubble for calendars, Zazzle for t-shirts, etc).

I understand the POD and DL part but why sell the POD image for more then the DL image? Its the same image.

I probably don't understand what you are getting at. Where is the problem when the sale price for a 20x30" canvas print is higher than RF license to use that same image for whatever purpose within the limits of your EULA terms?

Ron

« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2013, 12:26 »
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@ Pilens,

I will answer two fold  :)

1. FAA widget - fixed. The first line with JS code was blocking the iframe code from being read. And  I had to change the < to [ and remove the </iframe> closing tag. Its working now. Legend.

2. What I mean is, if they buy that print they pay 100 dollar for the image (material excluded). If they download the same image from my stock site, they pay 27 dollar for the same image. I do get what you are saying and I guess its ok to sell it like this. I think I am worried that buyers come to think that they were being overpriced buying the print on FAA.

 

« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2013, 12:54 »
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@ Pilens,

I will answer two fold  :)

1. FAA widget - fixed. The first line with JS code was blocking the iframe code from being read. And  I had to change the < to [ and remove the </iframe> closing tag. Its working now. Legend.

2. What I mean is, if they buy that print they pay 100 dollar for the image (material excluded). If they download the same image from my stock site, they pay 27 dollar for the same image. I do get what you are saying and I guess its ok to sell it like this. I think I am worried that buyers come to think that they were being overpriced buying the print on FAA.

1. Good!

2. I don't think FAA buyers dig so deep to learn what the image price (material excluded) is. They want a fine art print. So why would they?
Unless, of course, they have that cheap POD in mind and are willing to do all the work themselves. Which makes actually perfectly sense for buyers to navigate around FAA shortcomings like high shipping cost outside the US.

Then think about FAA's abysmal upload system and their yearly fee. Your higher prices are required to compensate for that  8)

Ron

« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2013, 13:10 »
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Yeah, you are right. I have cost as well. And all the time spent.

By the way, you have one helluva portfolio. Great images.

And another thing, I see you mentioned fair trade, which is funny, I am writing a blog entry now where I call what we sell are fair trade licenses. Symbiostock is really working, its already connecting our brainwaves.  ;)

« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2013, 14:04 »
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fair trade license

That's brilliant! We're are selling no RF licenses but FT licenses  :) - If we can make this the buzz-word of the year SS will be out of business soon ;D

Thanks for your kind comment on my port, which is mostly LCV, unfortunately  :(. But it is what I like to shoot  8)

Ron

« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2013, 14:19 »
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fair trade license

That's brilliant! We're are selling no RF licenses but FT licenses  :) - If we can make this the buzz-word of the year SS will be out of business soon ;D

Thanks for your kind comment on my port, which is mostly LCV, unfortunately  :(. But it is what I like to shoot  8)
I was thinking of replacing royalty free images with fair trade images, but that would hurt my SEO I think. But it is something to think about. If we all start calling it fair trade images and licenses then maybe it will be picked up at some point.

« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2013, 14:32 »
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I also like the idea of fair trade licences, I had already removed (I think) all reference to Royalty Free from my site

Ron

« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2013, 14:37 »
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« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2013, 16:46 »
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I don't see any problem with a higher price at FAA than for an RF license. 

People buying from FAA are paying for a finished product, if they wanted to they could certainly open an account at any of the micros, download an image, get it printed, get it matted, and get it framed.  But they don't want the hassle or don't know how so they pay someone to do it for them. 

They could do that by buying a license from your SY site and printing etc as well, but I doubt many will.  Have you ever taken a print to a local shop for matting and framing?  It's not cheap at the retail level.  FAA prices are pretty good when compared to local shops.



 

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