Author Topic: What's holding you back from joining Symbiostock? (Read 77282 times)

cathyslife · « **Reply #175 on:** July 16, 2013, 17:27 »

Quote from: JPSDK on July 16, 2013, 17:16

I find it strange that so many of you come forewards with all kinds of arguments about not aiming at certain groups of customers.
I would never exclude any customers and I would make it as easy as possible for all of them to shop.

WE aren't excluding them, you are. We would be happy to sell to anybody, you are saying it's preposterous and not possible.

I am bowing out of this thread because now you are just stirring the $hit. You made some excellent points, but now it's just dragging on. We totally get all your points...we got them BEFORE you came to this thread. People can only do so much and I think everyone that has contributed their time and sweat have done a remarkable job in such a short time. You know the old saying...If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

plrang · « **Reply #176 on:** July 16, 2013, 17:33 »

some people talk
others fly to the Moon

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #177 on:** July 16, 2013, 17:43 »

Quote from: plrang on July 16, 2013, 17:33

some people talk
others fly to the Moon

Then after you fly to the moon, still others say it was a hoax.

JPSDK · « **Reply #178 on:** July 16, 2013, 17:44 »

It is true that I talk too much and act too little. And begin to bore people.
So Ill shut up.

I might even make a symbiostock site, its a good platform to sell from, but I have another project first that im kind of stuck in.

Roger and over, good night and thanks for listening.

topol · « **Reply #179 on:** July 16, 2013, 17:46 »

Re-collecting, re-organizing thousands (both on my hard drive and than on the site) of shots, many of them, especially the earlier ones really poorly IPTC-ed....

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #180 on:** July 16, 2013, 17:50 »

Quote from: JPSDK on July 16, 2013, 17:44

It is true that I talk too much and act too little. And begin to bore people.
So Ill shut up.

I might even make a symbiostock site, its a good platform to sell from, but I have another project first that im kind of stuck in.

Roger and over, good night and thanks for listening.

The fun is over? I wasn't slightly bored.

Actually I was thinking of seeing Pacific Rim. I understand you have to sleep some time though, so I'll save my popcorn for that.

It will be cool to see your Symbio site. I'm sure many positive developments will come out of our genetically infusing the apple of Symbiostock with some orange genes in an ever-evolving attempt to make our wildest ideas of stock selling come true.

Please keep us in mind for future dramas

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #181 on:** July 16, 2013, 18:05 »

edit - my joking is sometimes misunderstood [snip]

marthamarks · « **Reply #182 on:** July 16, 2013, 18:21 »

Quote from: cclapper on July 16, 2013, 17:27

WE aren't excluding them, you are. We would be happy to sell to anybody, you are saying it's preposterous and not possible.

I am bowing out of this thread because now you are just stirring the $hit.

+1

I've said my piece too. 'Nuf said.

JPSDK · « **Reply #183 on:** July 16, 2013, 18:22 »

--- and my being serious is also often missunderstood.

fx I would never really, really go away.

One thing is to develop a symbiostock site, Ill probably do that as a personal outlet.
But it is far more important to do things to the frame, and I think Im the only one who wants that.

Amanda_K · « **Reply #184 on:** July 16, 2013, 18:36 »

Quote from: JPSDK on July 16, 2013, 18:22

--- and my being serious is also often missunderstood.

fx I would never really, really go away.

One thing is to develop a symbiostock site, Ill probably do that as a personal outlet.
But it is far more important to do things to the frame, and I think Im the only one who wants that.

I'm sure you aren't the only one, everyone has an "ideal" in mind, but not all of us are programmers. I get that. I had some serious struggles trying to bend other solutions to my will, and was I was genuinely distressed that they could be BETTER, perfect even! And still with Symbiostock there are things I'd maybe do differently if it was solely my project, but the beauty is that the base is there, and it's open, so we can build these things.

I think the greatest thing is that this is a start, a step in a great direction and will hopefully encourage everyone to take a second look at the possibilities that are out there for them beyond the big agencies, even if Symbiostock isn't the answer for everyone's needs I hope it can be a shining example of stepping out of the box so to speak.

cascoly · « **Reply #185 on:** July 16, 2013, 21:00 »

Quote from: JPSDK on July 16, 2013, 18:22

--- and my being serious is also often missunderstood.

fx I would never really, really go away.

One thing is to develop a symbiostock site, Ill probably do that as a personal outlet.
But it is far more important to do things to the frame, and I think Im the only one who wants that.

do I hear 'martyr complex'? from an anonymous poster who won't link to their actual site?

JPSDK · « **Reply #186 on:** July 16, 2013, 21:06 »

Quote from: cascoly on July 16, 2013, 21:00

Quote from: JPSDK on July 16, 2013, 18:22
--- and my being serious is also often missunderstood.

fx I would never really, really go away.

One thing is to develop a symbiostock site, Ill probably do that as a personal outlet.
But it is far more important to do things to the frame, and I think Im the only one who wants that.

do I hear 'martyr complex'? from an anonymous poster who won't link to their actual site?

Not at all, im no martyr, and I did link to my site earlier on, and Ill do it again:
www.stolt.dk

Livingstonatlarge · « **Reply #187 on:** July 16, 2013, 22:21 »

OK..you talked me in to it. I am going to set one up so I can start marketing some of the images I take of Oregon that I don't run through the stock agencies.

Ginger
http://www.photographoregon.com

DesignWolf · « **Reply #188 on:** July 17, 2013, 04:48 »

Quote from: borg on July 15, 2013, 07:09

I am not an expert for web, codes etc. Maybe it's not to hard, but I don't have much time to learn...
So I am waiting complete optimization and excellent tutorial which can explain literally everything, step by step...
It's too experimental for me, because I have no will to learn about web....

I 100% agree with what Borg says, This is what's holding me back at the moment too.

jsfoto · « **Reply #189 on:** July 17, 2013, 06:01 »

Quote from: DesignWolf on July 17, 2013, 04:48

Quote from: borg on July 15, 2013, 07:09
I am not an expert for web, codes etc. Maybe it's not to hard, but I don't have much time to learn...
So I am waiting complete optimization and excellent tutorial which can explain literally everything, step by step...
It's too experimental for me, because I have no will to learn about web....

I 100% agree with what Borg says, This is what's holding me back at the moment too.

Probably it was mentioned before, but why not mention it again: The step by step guide is almost ready: http://www.symbioguides.com/getting-started/
And we have a very lively and helpful community: Usually you get the right answer here within minutes ...

Kerioak~Christine · « **Reply #190 on:** July 17, 2013, 09:59 »

Quote from: JPSDK on July 16, 2013, 21:06

www.stolt.dk

I did not get chance to look at your site earlier - really enjoyed some of the composites

stockmarketer · « **Reply #191 on:** July 17, 2013, 10:12 »

I'm going to pose this question again, because it's been largely ignored every time I raise it...

Who is actually selling through their Symbiostock sites?

I've seen a bunch of "Got my first sale" posts. But if this is a valid business model, shouldn't we start seeing evidence of it really working by now? Not a bunch of single sales, but multiple sales every single day?

Surely someone out of the 55(? Is that the current number) of Symbiostock sites surely must have had more than a handful of sales by now, right?

I don't want to be seen as a hater, just a realist. I'd love to see Symbiostock succeed, and I'll gladly eat my words and jump on board, but all evidence so far suggests that people disillusioned by the agencies are jumping on board believing it's their salvation, denying the reality that the sales just aren't there.

Will we still see endless threads about this a year from now if things don't pick up?

cthoman · « **Reply #192 on:** July 17, 2013, 10:20 »

Quote from: stockmarketer on July 17, 2013, 10:12

I'm going to pose this question again, because it's been largely ignored every time I raise it...

Who is actually selling through their Symbiostock sites?

I've seen a bunch of "Got my first sale" posts. But if this is a valid business model, shouldn't we start seeing evidence of it really working by now? Not a bunch of single sales, but multiple sales every single day?

Surely someone out of the 55(? Is that the current number) of Symbiostock sites surely must have had more than a handful of sales by now, right?

I don't want to be seen as a hater, just a realist. I'd love to see Symbiostock succeed, and I'll gladly eat my words and jump on board, but all evidence so far suggests that people disillusioned by the agencies are jumping on board believing it's their salvation, denying the reality that the sales just aren't there.

Will we still see endless threads about this a year from now if things don't pick up?

I answered this question on page 3. I think it got buried though.

Kerioak~Christine · « **Reply #193 on:** July 17, 2013, 10:29 »

I am getting sales, not every day but enough to give me the enthusiasm to keep uploading - which I had just about stopped doing elsewhere

stockmarketer · « **Reply #194 on:** July 17, 2013, 10:35 »

Quote from: Tinny on July 17, 2013, 10:29

I am getting sales, not every day but enough to give me the enthusiasm to keep uploading - which I had just about stopped doing elsewhere

That's good to hear.

I want to jump on board, but for me to invest the time, I'll need to hear (and believe) that multiple people are having several sales every day... not a fluke sale now and again, but regular sales at a predictable level.

farbled · « **Reply #195 on:** July 17, 2013, 10:42 »

I have not got any direct sales yet. However I have had a few contacts who ask me about photos that they've seen on SS and wanted more information. They have led to some indirect sales on stock sites and promises to return for other things (I know, I know, but I have a niche market so it will take time to grow). I am hopeful that I will develop a customer base over time. The thing for me (as I said earlier) is that this is more like a small business for me instead of a stock agency. I do not expect to automatically get sales simply because my photos are online. As with everything in life, you get what you put in.

The other thing about independent sales, is that they are far more dependent on quality, ease of use of the site you find them on, and price. So unless you have a very similar port (size, quality, price) to someone already up and running, it would be difficult to compare sales stats. And it really is early days for this project.

stockmarketer · « **Reply #196 on:** July 17, 2013, 10:46 »

Quote from: farbled on July 17, 2013, 10:42

As with everything in life, you get what you put in.

I think this is the theory Symbiostock supporters are embracing, pouring a lot of energies and hopes into making this work. I'm questioning whether all that hard work is paying off for people. If the early adopters start seeing a decent ROI, I'll be right behind them.

farbled · « **Reply #197 on:** July 17, 2013, 10:52 »

Quote from: stockmarketer on July 17, 2013, 10:46

Quote from: farbled on July 17, 2013, 10:42
As with everything in life, you get what you put in.

I think this is the theory Symbiostock supporters are embracing, pouring a lot of energies and hopes into making this work. I'm questioning whether all that hard work is paying off for people. If the early adopters start seeing a decent ROI, I'll be right behind them.

I think realistic expectations on what a small business can do is important. I have no idea if/when I can get enough sales to cover costs and then make a profit. I hope that my niche is solid enough to justify it. Only time will tell, its such early days. Ask me in a year and I will happily post my results. In the meantime, my images are safely stored online instead of only at my home, and I don't have to worry about orphaned works anymore. Reason enough for now. Happy shooting!

Ron · « **Reply #198 on:** July 17, 2013, 11:13 »

Quote from: stockmarketer on July 17, 2013, 10:35

Quote from: Tinny on July 17, 2013, 10:29
I am getting sales, not every day but enough to give me the enthusiasm to keep uploading - which I had just about stopped doing elsewhere

That's good to hear.

I want to jump on board, but for me to invest the time, I'll need to hear (and believe) that multiple people are having several sales every day... not a fluke sale now and again, but regular sales at a predictable level.

Name the agencies that give you no zero sales days. I can only name 2 - SS and FT. But thats me. Its not realistic to expect no zero sales days selling direct on a new project.

jsfoto · « **Reply #199 on:** July 17, 2013, 12:47 »

Quote from: Ron on July 17, 2013, 11:13

Quote from: stockmarketer on July 17, 2013, 10:35
Quote from: Tinny on July 17, 2013, 10:29
I am getting sales, not every day but enough to give me the enthusiasm to keep uploading - which I had just about stopped doing elsewhere

That's good to hear.

I want to jump on board, but for me to invest the time, I'll need to hear (and believe) that multiple people are having several sales every day... not a fluke sale now and again, but regular sales at a predictable level.
Name the agencies that give you no zero sales days. I can only name 2 - SS and FT. But thats me. Its not realistic to expect no zero sales days selling direct on a new project.

Same for me ... nobody but SS an FT sells my photos daily. For a new project like Symbiostock it will take some months untill the fun can really start (actually I haven't had daily sales on SS and FT in my early days there) ... So what I will do now: I start uploading my new photos on my own site, wait till they are indexed by Google before I upload them anywhere else ... the rest is patience

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Author Topic: What's holding you back from joining Symbiostock? (Read 77282 times)

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Kerioak~Christine

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