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« Reply #225 on: July 17, 2013, 22:37 »
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My portfolio is much smaller but I have had similar results.  But, I have read here and other places as well, that sales percentages of incoming traffic is very small.  200- 300 visits is closer to zero than to where we want to be before we will see consistant sales.

Something else to consider is google and SEO likes change and new.  you shouldn't just build a site and forget about it, you should makes changes, add images, add links to blog posts to keep the crawlers coming back to check your site.

But that is exactly what I do not have time and energy to do. I don't expect to get massive traffic directly via Google, that will not happen, ever, unless I use the services that some of those spam posts offer - to generate fake traffic at a "small" monthly fee. No thanks. Like I said, my hope is that the traffic will come from the Symbiostock global search engine, just as people find my pics via the search engines of the agencies.  Hopefully the search engine will have enough visibility and become a factor in the microstock world. That is the big potential I see in Symbiostock. Maybe naive? If you tell me that will not happen, I will instantly forget about Symbisostock and about selling my pics directly. Should I? If I only wanted traffic via Google, there are other ways of doing it, but  I would not be interested. Like I said, my vision is that Symbiostock becomes a factor in the microstock world, and that I can be a small part of it.

for the global search engines to attract customers, sym site members need to link to andpromte tose engines

how many pages & iMages from your site has google iNdexed?  without doing some seo work, your site isn't going to get noticed.  and if you're not being noticed, other members are less likely to include you in their network list.  symbiosis means it works both ways


« Reply #226 on: July 18, 2013, 00:00 »
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for the global search engines to attract customers, sym site members need to link to and promote  those engines

how many pages & iMages from your site has google iNdexed?  without doing some seo work, your site isn't going to get noticed.  and if you're not being noticed, other members are less likely to include you in their network list.  symbiosis means it works both ways

Hey, if it comes to it, I will do my part to get traffic into the network, don't misunderstand me, but what I fail to understand is how linking to fifteen other sites will boost my sales?? Isn't the potential 1000 times bigger with a global search where potential customers can choose between (hopefully) millions of photos based on keywords rather than klicking away in an endless network where you find 10-15 sites at the time? Isn't the vision to compete with the big agencies like that?

I think you have made a great start with your search engine, that is the way forward, and that is the main  reason why I am here. More options like "recent", most popular" etc, would be great. I would like to promote Symbiostock as such, and the search engine, rather than spending time on making my few pics visible in Google, or competing with others to get into peoples network lists.

Personally, I think the global list should be default in the sense that every search should show hits a) on your own site and b) in the global network.  Adding the result from specific network members would be optional, e.g. to promote a friend or a site you like particularly.

In that way we all promote each other, on equal terms, the only thing we compete with is good kewording, maybe price and, obviously, good photos. In the long term, this is something we all would benefit from.

For the time being, I would like to see at least some traffic to my site, based on my current portfolio, before uploading the remaining photos. If not 1100 photos generate any traffic, I dont think 5000 will either. And I expect to see traffic both from Google and from the Symbistock search engine. I will do my best to promote Symbiostock, but I will not pay anyone to generate fake traffic to my site.

« Last Edit: July 18, 2013, 00:49 by PinkBadger »

« Reply #227 on: July 18, 2013, 01:34 »
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for the global search engines to attract customers, sym site members need to link to and promote  those engines

how many pages & iMages from your site has google iNdexed?  without doing some seo work, your site isn't going to get noticed.  and if you're not being noticed, other members are less likely to include you in their network list.  symbiosis means it works both ways

Hey, if it comes to it, I will do my part to get traffic into the network, don't misunderstand me, but what I fail to understand is how linking to fifteen other sites will boost my sales?? Isn't the potential 1000 times bigger with a global search where potential customers can choose between (hopefully) millions of photos based on keywords rather than klicking away in an endless network where you find 10-15 sites at the time? Isn't the vision to compete with the big agencies like that?

 



This is why centralisation would benefit all of us

« Reply #228 on: July 18, 2013, 01:52 »
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for the global search engines to attract customers, sym site members need to link to and promote  those engines

how many pages & iMages from your site has google iNdexed?  without doing some seo work, your site isn't going to get noticed.  and if you're not being noticed, other members are less likely to include you in their network list.  symbiosis means it works both ways

Hey, if it comes to it, I will do my part to get traffic into the network, don't misunderstand me, but what I fail to understand is how linking to fifteen other sites will boost my sales?? Isn't the potential 1000 times bigger with a global search where potential customers can choose between (hopefully) millions of photos based on keywords rather than klicking away in an endless network where you find 10-15 sites at the time? Isn't the vision to compete with the big agencies like that?

 



This is why centralisation would benefit all of us

that's what some of us believe & would like to experiment with; others are content with the current networking system; others (who may not have even announced themselves ) might just want symbio for the simplicity of setting up their own photo site.

we cant be all things to all people, but we CAN provide multiple ways for people to proceed.  and if some don't work as expected, the system, since it's a network, wont come crashing down

« Reply #229 on: July 18, 2013, 10:10 »
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that's what some of us believe & would like to experiment with;

One thing about SYS is, it is an experiment. 

We are trying something new.  It has never been done before ( at least I don't know of this before)

With this in mind we need to keep evolving...trying new... testing.... admit when something works....admit when something doesn't work...rebuild...grow and expand.

Where will we be 12 months from now?  24 months?  No One knows, but I am looking forward to the ride.

« Reply #230 on: July 23, 2013, 17:55 »
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I am definitely joining, just have not gotten my site going yet. Hope to start next week.

marthamarks

« Reply #231 on: July 23, 2013, 23:08 »
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I am definitely joining, just have not gotten my site going yet. Hope to start next week.

Jump on in, munrotoo. The water's fine!

« Reply #232 on: July 24, 2013, 02:16 »
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Following some private messages from ppl already using the platform, i will be starting building my SS website.
One question though... Since i have access to aged and high ranked domains, will it be better to use one ?

Leo Blanchette

« Reply #233 on: July 24, 2013, 02:25 »
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Following some private messages from ppl already using the platform, i will be starting building my SS website.
One question though... Since i have access to aged and high ranked domains, will it be better to use one ?
Very good question.

Very very good question.

...

Boy, thats a really good question.




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It depends really. You may risk ruining any established rank you have. If they are good websites or do $$$ for you, then don't mess with it. A redesign can be suicide...as I'm currently bouncing back myself.

Conversely if your not doing much with them then yes older domains have a much better chance since new websites go through a "Prove your not a spammer" initiation.

Maybe also you if you had www myolddomain dot com you could do a "/mysymbiosite/ sort of taking advantage of both your existing traffic / age without redesign suicide.

« Reply #234 on: July 24, 2013, 03:48 »
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A lot of good photographers (including myself  :)) from countries where Paypal is not working (Russia (well, Russia only to some degree), Belarus, Ukraine) cannot use Symbiostock.

« Reply #235 on: July 24, 2013, 04:22 »
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A lot of good photographers (including myself  :)) from countries where Paypal is not working (Russia (well, Russia only to some degree), Belarus, Ukraine) cannot use Symbiostock.

I didn't know that, I thought Paypal would work worldwide. Isn't it working for buyers from these countries, too?

Ron

« Reply #236 on: July 24, 2013, 04:41 »
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A lot of good photographers (including myself  :)) from countries where Paypal is not working (Russia (well, Russia only to some degree), Belarus, Ukraine) cannot use Symbiostock.

I didn't know that, I thought Paypal would work worldwide. Isn't it working for buyers from these countries, too?

https://www.paypal.com/worldwide/

« Reply #237 on: July 24, 2013, 15:04 »
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Please could someone send me a notice on PM when it will be some tutorial "for dummies"...

Also your posts especially  on this topic are definitely too long... I don't have a time to read you guys several hours a day?  :P


« Reply #238 on: July 24, 2013, 16:55 »
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Please could someone send me a notice on PM when it will be some tutorial "for dummies"...

Also your posts especially  on this topic are definitely too long... I don't have a time to read you guys several hours a day?  :P


www.symbioguides.com

« Reply #239 on: July 24, 2013, 17:29 »
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Following some private messages from ppl already using the platform, i will be starting building my SS website.
One question though... Since i have access to aged and high ranked domains, will it be better to use one ?


I started a new site cascoly-images.com, then create contact sheet pages of images with lin ks on my established site cascoly.com -- both sites have gotten increased indexing and traffic  eg http://cascoly.com/trav/us/oregon-birds-coast.asp

« Reply #240 on: July 25, 2013, 02:18 »
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started working on a pr3 9 year old domain. I guess this will boost all of the network performance as soon as i start linking back to it.
If anyone has interest in dropped pr3-4-5 aged domains, please send me PM with your desired keyword. I will try to work on something cheap(8-20$). It's the least i can do for such a great and helping community.
Oh, and btw, how are the other licensing options worked out on symbio? Like sr-el, rm etc.?

« Reply #241 on: July 28, 2013, 08:31 »
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Several hosting related problems held me from joining. But...

Here it is, http://coolstockphoto.com

Still have lots of stuff to edit'n'add but count me in!  :)
« Last Edit: July 28, 2013, 08:33 by nikitabuida »

« Reply #242 on: July 28, 2013, 10:31 »
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Several hosting related problems held me from joining. But...

Here it is, http://coolstockphoto.com

Still have lots of stuff to edit'n'add but count me in!  :)


Great!
Really cool :)
Your site is already at http://symbiostock.info, we have 72 sites and 77201 images now.

« Reply #243 on: July 28, 2013, 12:17 »
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Great!
Really cool :)
Your site is already at http://symbiostock.info, we have 72 sites and 77201 images now.


Thanks for adding me!  :D

« Reply #244 on: August 01, 2013, 06:00 »
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It all sounds really, really good. I'd love to jump in and open my own site.

What's holding me back?

Essentially two things:

1: I have zero experience with building websites. None. Never had a website, I don't even know the most basic things. But I flipped through the info on symbioguides.com, and that will help a great deal.
I would hope the technical part is covered.

2: More important: What do I need to know with regards to legal and tax implications (e.g. what about collecting VAT) in Germany?
I have no idea what needs to be considered. Having your own shop is certainly different than selling via agencies.
If anybody has any information about that, that would be a great help.

Without having that second point clarified I feel I can't really start setting something up...

« Reply #245 on: August 01, 2013, 06:23 »
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Very good question. All new market ideas should start by that.

What's holding me back from joining Symbiostock:

1. It's still under construction obviously
2. It runs on Wordpress. In my experience, very heavy, slow, long loading times. A big minus (sorry, I like the idea of wordpress but not the results most of time).
3. Hosting. I would love to have the website + the hosting in the same package. + hosted in a country that respect individual rights and privacy (not in China or USA for instance).
4. Seems complicated. I don't want to go into development, designing web pages etc..  Downloading an app or soft, then designing, then finding a host, then publishing, managing, maintenance etc.. Too complicated.

 But the idea is great. Uniting artists to build their own platform to sell their work at decent prices directly to buyers. Not being screwed by some agencies with some blur pricing structure and T&C. This is how I understand and appreciate it. :)

« Reply #246 on: August 01, 2013, 06:51 »
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Right @Amarofil I wouldn't use it

Ron

« Reply #247 on: August 01, 2013, 06:52 »
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Very good question. All new market ideas should start by that.

What's holding me back from joining Symbiostock:

1. It's still under construction obviously
2. It runs on Wordpress. In my experience, very heavy, slow, long loading times. A big minus (sorry, I like the idea of wordpress but not the results most of time).
3. Hosting. I would love to have the website + the hosting in the same package. + hosted in a country that respect individual rights and privacy (not in China or USA for instance).
4. Seems complicated. I don't want to go into development, designing web pages etc..  Downloading an app or soft, then designing, then finding a host, then publishing, managing, maintenance etc.. Too complicated.

 But the idea is great. Uniting artists to build their own platform to sell their work at decent prices directly to buyers. Not being screwed by some agencies with some blur pricing structure and T&C. This is how I understand and appreciate it. :)

Symbiostock as a concept is not under construction, its a developing project, that one site you reported may be under construction, But Symbiostock is not the site where we sell images.

You dont have to develop or design anything

WP is not slow, it depends on your hosting.


« Reply #248 on: August 01, 2013, 16:24 »
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Several hosting related problems held me from joining. But...

Here it is, http://coolstockphoto.com

Still have lots of stuff to edit'n'add but count me in!  :)


been trying to add you to http://symbiostock-search.com for several days, but something with the hosting was interfering -- anyway, you've been added now...

« Reply #249 on: August 01, 2013, 16:58 »
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Today, i just started to build mine. Uploaded only 6 images for tests. I have just some text work (EULA, mails, etc) than i will start uploading. here my site http://ayzekstock.com/ [nofollow]


 

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