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Ron

« on: September 05, 2013, 12:30 »
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I posted a thread about Symbiostock on Alamy. I didnt post any links. I just said that Symbiostock now also featured the option for RM and that it had improved search and batch editor. My thread was deleted. When I asked why, my thread was locked. But the answers say it all.

People think Symbiostock is an agency
Alamy thinks Symbiostock is a rival agency or service

http://discussion.alamy.com/index.php?/topic/953-why-was-my-thread-deleted/


« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2013, 13:09 »
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Symbiostock could potentially be a big threat. Recently i have had big problems with one of my agencies. They wont give me my cash balance! They know i want to quit to take up symbiostock. The minute im over their pay out threshold im quitting them. However, by not telling me the balance I dont know if im over threshold

« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2013, 13:26 »
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People think Symbiostock is an agency
Alamy thinks Symbiostock is a rival agency or service

Isn't it though? What could be a bigger threat than realizing you can do it without them?

« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2013, 13:45 »
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Ah but the thing with this is they're all independently owned and operated.  We do share a network though maybe that's it.

Tror

« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2013, 14:03 »
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It feels always bad to get censored, but beyond that I do not see anything unusual here.
Post about the competition on the forum of a competitor was always a nogo.
I don`t think it matters if it is a script or another agency.

« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2013, 14:07 »
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The Alamy forum is not the place to discuss Symbiostock. The same as iStock isn't the place to discuss Shutterstock. It's nothing to do with business rivalry. It's about etiquette and good manners. Nothing else. They don't care about Symbiostock.

The Alamy forum is a place to discuss issues which relate to selling pictures at Alamy.

Leo Blanchette

« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2013, 14:14 »
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[edit] -- in a nutshell, Agencies don't have any reason to care about Symbiostock now, which is actually nice.

We were all excited to reach 100,000 images. Actually I thought it was cooler to reach 100 sites. But logging onto Canstockphoto the other day I had seen that 100,000 images were added in the last month to them.

I think the biggest problem Symbiostock could possibly pose is against any agency/entity that leverages search engines to get traffic. At this point you can't compete with Symbiostock on that level very easily.  A lot of these "Agencies" use many other sorts of marketing which don't converge with Symbiostock and they don't use/care about search engines very much. They are in magazines, paid banners, etc. Extremely expensive, huge overhead, etc. Totally different part of the jungle.

« Last Edit: September 05, 2013, 14:18 by Leo »

« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2013, 14:28 »
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The original symbiostock thread is still on Alamy - try not to get that one deleted  ;)

Ron

« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2013, 16:05 »
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Alamy has never worried about any other agencies. Shutterstock, Getty, Corbis, everything could be discussed freely. The first Symbiostock thread is still on Alamy, when it was in infant shoes. Now you cant discuss it and threads are deleted.

Selling direct has never been taboo, now you cant mention it.

Leo Blanchette

« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2013, 17:46 »
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An another note it might not be the idea that Symbiostock could "compete" with them as much as people might just lose interest in agents altogether.

Whats scarier? Having competition, or no longer being taken seriously? So on that level I can see the concern. "You mean, I don't need to use an agent? Why didn't anyone tell me this?!"

« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2013, 18:08 »
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An another note it might not be the idea that Symbiostock could "compete" with them as much as people might just lose interest in agents altogether.

Whats scarier? Having competition, or no longer being taken seriously? So on that level I can see the concern. "You mean, I don't need to use an agent? Why didn't anyone tell me this?!"

I think you have hit the nail on the head. Ive stopped uploading to all agencies as a result of symbiostock

Leo Blanchette

« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2013, 18:16 »
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« Last Edit: September 06, 2013, 00:34 by Leo »

Ron

« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2013, 00:25 »
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An another note it might not be the idea that Symbiostock could "compete" with them as much as people might just lose interest in agents altogether.

Whats scarier? Having competition, or no longer being taken seriously? So on that level I can see the concern. "You mean, I don't need to use an agent? Why didn't anyone tell me this?!"
Good point !!

« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2013, 13:43 »
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People think Symbiostock is an agency
Alamy thinks Symbiostock is a rival agency or service

What is really the transgression (legal or perceived)?  I realize, different agencies may have different sensitivity thresholds.

Competing with agencies as independent? Being a part of "anti-agencies" network?
What if you include on your site pictures made by your wife, son, or friend? Does it make you an agency?
And if you invite several friends? What are the legal and real ramifications?

Can you be an owner of an agency and still contribute to other agencies? How about being a part owner?
And technically, taking it one step further, how is that different that owning shares of an agency that is being traded on Nasdaq?



Leo Blanchette

« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2013, 14:41 »
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Lets get off of agencies in the subject . We need to start minding our own business and just be productive. But lets talk about the "real" issue, which is nothing more than human.

Do you think the young creative dynamic people who started these new giant web entities (agencies) knew or cared about the things you mention back in their garage days? Its all psychology.

For instance twitter and facebook were born from hackish self-promoting spammers who nationalistically take advantage of people to a degree sooo disgustingly injurious that they will probably find their way into history as possibly one of the most evil manifestations of technological corruption. Twitter exploded due to spammers having much freedom in the beginning. Twitter encouraged spammy use of its API for growth. Then at a certain point of development they "Cracked down" on the very people they were, came from, and were promoted by. (*hint hint* look for patterns please, this is your queue to do so)

Its interesting though that on the web being called a spammer on the net is like being called a pedophile in RL. And if you use their networks in a way that (god forbid) you may actually promote yourself in an "unsolicited way", you become a spammer by their own invented definitions. Conversely if you pay them to promote you, you are suddenly escalated to the status of being marketed, in which case they spam for you using people's hijacked information their targets/audience/victims unwittingly submitted in 1000's of ways.

I'm not up on the facebook thing, but do they still log into your email and extract your contacts to blast your friends that you want to be friends on facebook?

So really, we can talk like a bunch of emotional little victims about all sorts of issues, and rail against agencies like an angry teenager looking for a little freedom. But agencies are corporations. You might as well criticize a polar bear for being a man-eater. It is what it is. Its doing what its made for.

The best thing Symbiostock could have EVER is a lot of people who understand how things work.

Symbiostock needs a few guidelines (more inspiration) and ONE of those guidelines should just be to stop taking the agency issues so seriously and just focus on making a living in the most productive setting possible.

Ok, I've had my fun. Back to work.

« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2013, 14:50 »
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Lets get off of agencies in the subject . We need to start minding our own business and just be productive. But lets talk about the "real" issue, which is nothing more than human.

Do you think the young creative dynamic people who started these new giant web entities (agencies) knew or cared about the things you mention back in their garage days? Its all psychology.

For instance twitter and facebook were born from hackish self-promoting spammers who nationalistically take advantage of people to a degree sooo disgustingly injurious that they will probably find their way into history as possibly one of the most evil manifestations of technological corruption. Twitter exploded due to spammers having much freedom in the beginning. Twitter encouraged spammy use of its API for growth. Then at a certain point of development they "Cracked down" on the very people they were, came from, and were promoted by. (*hint hint* look for patterns please, this is your queue to do so)

Its interesting though that on the web being called a spammer on the net is like being called a pedophile in RL. And if you use their networks in a way that (god forbid) you may actually promote yourself in an "unsolicited way", you become a spammer by their own invented definitions. Conversely if you pay them to promote you, you are suddenly escalated to the status of being marketed, in which case they spam for you using people's hijacked information their targets/audience/victims unwittingly submitted in 1000's of ways.

I'm not up on the facebook thing, but do they still log into your email and extract your contacts to blast your friends that you want to be friends on facebook?

So really, we can talk like a bunch of emotional little victims about all sorts of issues, and rail against agencies like an angry teenager looking for a little freedom. But agencies are corporations. You might as well criticize a polar bear for being a man-eater. It is what it is. Its doing what its made for.

The best thing Symbiostock could have EVER is a lot of people who understand how things work.

Symbiostock needs a few guidelines (more inspiration) and ONE of those guidelines should just be to stop taking the agency issues so seriously and just focus on making a living in the most productive setting possible.

Ok, I've had my fun. Back to work.


:-)


« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2013, 10:42 »
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An another note it might not be the idea that Symbiostock could "compete" with them as much as people might just lose interest in agents altogether.

Whats scarier? Having competition, or no longer being taken seriously? So on that level I can see the concern. "You mean, I don't need to use an agent? Why didn't anyone tell me this?!"

the technical term is 'dancing with elephants'  - like shareware & independent game developers, fly under the radar of the big ones.  we're no threat to them; if they even know we exist.  just be careful not to get stepped on.
steve

« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2013, 10:46 »
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Lets get off of agencies in the subject . We need to start minding our own business and just be productive. But lets talk about the "real" issue, which is nothing more than human.

Do you think the young creative dynamic people who started these new giant web entities (agencies) knew or cared about the things you mention back in their garage days? Its all psychology.

For instance twitter and facebook were born from hackish self-promoting spammers who nationalistically take advantage of people to a degree sooo disgustingly injurious that they will probably find their way into history as possibly one of the most evil manifestations of technological corruption. Twitter exploded due to spammers having much freedom in the beginning. Twitter encouraged spammy use of its API for growth. Then at a certain point of development they "Cracked down" on the very people they were, came from, and were promoted by. (*hint hint* look for patterns please, this is your queue to do so)

Its interesting though that on the web being called a spammer on the net is like being called a pedophile in RL. And if you use their networks in a way that (god forbid) you may actually promote yourself in an "unsolicited way", you become a spammer by their own invented definitions. Conversely if you pay them to promote you, you are suddenly escalated to the status of being marketed, in which case they spam for you using people's hijacked information their targets/audience/victims unwittingly submitted in 1000's of ways.

I'm not up on the facebook thing, but do they still log into your email and extract your contacts to blast your friends that you want to be friends on facebook?

So really, we can talk like a bunch of emotional little victims about all sorts of issues, and rail against agencies like an angry teenager looking for a little freedom. But agencies are corporations. You might as well criticize a polar bear for being a man-eater. It is what it is. Its doing what its made for.

The best thing Symbiostock could have EVER is a lot of people who understand how things work.

Symbiostock needs a few guidelines (more inspiration) and ONE of those guidelines should just be to stop taking the agency issues so seriously and just focus on making a living in the most productive setting possible.

Ok, I've had my fun. Back to work.
well said


 

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