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marthamarks

« on: August 11, 2013, 10:07 »
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APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE FOR THE LONG POST! However, I think questions about SEO/Yoast may be important to others as well as to me, so I'll beg your indulgence.

Maybe these issues have to do with the unique nature of a commercial photo-selling site, which is not a "normal" blog like Yoast is meant to deal with. But still, the questions are there.

Last night I installed the Yoast plugin and read through the info. :) This morning I started the process of trying to turn 600+ red-button image-pages to green. Yikes!!! :o  So far, I have gotten one image to "greenish", so I guess I've accomplished something. Learned a few things too. Maybe "greenish" is good enough???  ;D ;D ;D  I'm beginning to suspect it is.

I get what's going on but do have some questions. I'll phrase them as they relate to this one particular image I just happened to pick to start with:

http://bestnaturestock.com/image/coyote-looks-back-stock-photo/

1. It seems Yoast doesn't recognize that the page is related to an image, since I keep getting this message: "No images appear in this page, consider adding some as appropriate." But there IS an image on this and every page. Does Yoast not "see" that? Do I just accept that Yoast doesn't "know everything" and ignore this constant warning, which will never allow me to get any of my image pages to "full green" on the Yoast scale?

2. Yoast is also telling me "The keyword doesn't appear in the first paragraph of the copy, make sure the topic is clear immediately."  But the keyword in question actually IS in the first paragraph. It's the 2nd word of the paragraph, and it's bold face. What the hey?

3. I feel I've written myself silly on this one description. How much more does one need to write for each and every image on a photo-selling site? For this image, Yoast is telling me: "There are 116 words contained in the body copy, this is below the 300 word recommended minimum. Add more useful content on this topic for readers."  Really??? Must each page be the equivalent of a full blog post???

4. I hadn't included any links in my descriptions before, but Yoast told me this: "No outbound links appear in this page, consider adding some as appropriate." So I added links to the 2 "similars" within my own site. I'm still getting that message, so I assume those links aren't "outbound". So... is it okay to link to my own images this way inside the description for this image? Does it help, hurt, or make no difference at all? Worth the bother to do this with "similars" or not???

5. Yoast says: "No subheading tags (like an H2) appear in the copy." So, should I break down my copy into subsections and give one or more a subheading? This isn't hard to do, but I'm trying to understand if this is needed & desirable in a photo description.

6.  Yoast is congratulating me for this: "You've never used this focus keyword before, very good."  The focus keyword in this case is coyote. Obviously. But since I have a whole assortment of images (8 at present, more to come) that will need that same keyword, how can I possibly make Yoast happy by using that keyword only one time on my entire site? And... how many alternatives are there to coyote, or to American black bear or raccoon, etc? I don't see a "fix" for this problem. Is there one?

7. Before I knew what I was doing, I gave my new site a very long name: Martha Marks' Best Nature Stock Photography. That's fine BUT... I now discover that it's eating up way too much space in my allowable title. Leaves me very little room to describe the photo in question. Is there any way to shorten my official title at this point?


I'm sure others are or will be grappling with these same issues, so perhaps discussion of these issues will help others along the way.

BTW, I'm extreeeeeeemely sorry that I didn't install Yoast at the very beginning of setting up my site, even though it would have made that tough stage even harder. Now it seems I need to go back and retrofit the 600 images already on my site. Not going to get the remaining 900 in my port up very fast at this rate.

Thanks in advance to the more experienced folks here for your input!


« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2013, 10:26 »
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This is one of mine:

http://www.picture5479.com/image/using-surgical-gloves/

This one is on green for yoast

marthamarks

« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2013, 10:27 »
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This is one of mine:

http://www.picture5479.com/image/using-surgical-gloves/

This one is on green for yoast


Thanks! That's very helpful.

Will you have a lot of other images with the same main keyword?

« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2013, 10:29 »
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This is one of mine:

http://www.picture5479.com/image/using-surgical-gloves/

This one is on green for yoast



Will you have a lot of other images with the same main keyword?


no
i use variations
three young graduates
three graduates
celebrating graduates
etc

marthamarks

« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 10:30 »
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This is one of mine:

http://www.picture5479.com/image/using-surgical-gloves/

This one is on green for yoast


I just realized that I need to add my "similar" images to each page. Does Yoast recognize those as "other images" on the page? Guess they must see that.

Thanks again. Seeing your Yoast-green image helps.

marthamarks

« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2013, 10:32 »
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This is one of mine:

http://www.picture5479.com/image/using-surgical-gloves/

This one is on green for yoast



Will you have a lot of other images with the same main keyword?


no
i use variations
three young graduates
three graduates
celebrating graduates
etc


Sooooo, I could say:

coyote looking forward
coyote on hind legs
coyote standing up
coyote pup
two coyote pups

Etc???

« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2013, 12:43 »
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Thats what I do, the way i look at it, if a buyer puts into google young graduates and i have an image tagged for this then its more likely i will show up as opposed to just having a tag for graduate.

Of course I know very little about SEO other than google gives what the searcher wants

Ive done about 200 images out of 1200 so far, all gone to green.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2013, 12:59 by picture5469 »

« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2013, 14:10 »
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   1. It seems Yoast doesn't recognize that the page is related to an image, since I keep getting this message: "No images appear in this page, consider adding some as appropriate." But there IS an image on this and every page. Does Yoast not "see" that? Do I just accept that Yoast doesn't "know everything" and ignore this constant warning, which will never allow me to get any of my image pages to "full green" on the Yoast scale?

right, yoast is definitely not optimized for a photo site.  I sometimes add a related image

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2. Yoast is also telling me "The keyword doesn't appear in the first paragraph of the copy, make sure the topic is clear immediately."  But the keyword in question actually IS in the first paragraph. It's the 2nd word of the paragraph, and it's bold face. What the hey?

yoast doesn't count words that are in bold when it displays that message

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3. I feel I've written myself silly on this one description. How much more does one need to write for each and every image on a photo-selling site? For this image, Yoast is telling me: "There are 116 words contained in the body copy, this is below the 300 word recommended minimum. Add more useful content on this topic for readers."  Really??? Must each page be the equivalent of a full blog post???
  few images take 300 words to describe, and since no microstock agency allows that many words, all my desc's are < 250 characters. you definitely do NOT need over 100 words to get yoast to green, though.  I add some new info if it's relevant, but have still only worked thru a few of over 3000 images.  i'm concentrating on getting the portfolio online and only greening strategic images

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4. I hadn't included any links in my descriptions before, but Yoast told me this: "No outbound links appear in this page, consider adding some as appropriate." So I added links to the 2 "similars" within my own site. I'm still getting that message, so I assume those links aren't "outbound". So... is it okay to link to my own images this way inside the description for this image? Does it help, hurt, or make no difference at all? Worth the bother to do this with "similars" or not???
no one knows -- I've sometimes added a link to an external page on cascoly.com which contains a contact sheet with more images, or a page with more desc

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5. Yoast says: "No subheading tags (like an H2) appear in the copy." So, should I break down my copy into subsections and give one or more a subheading? This isn't hard to do, but I'm trying to understand if this is needed & desirable in a photo description.
I usually highlight the first part of my desc -- then usually need to repeat the keyword in the rest of the text

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6.  Yoast is congratulating me for this: "You've never used this focus keyword before, very good."  The focus keyword in this case is coyote. Obviously. But since I have a whole assortment of images (8 at present, more to come) that will need that same keyword, how can I possibly make Yoast happy by using that keyword only one time on my entire site? And... how many alternatives are there to coyote, or to American black bear or raccoon, etc? I don't see a "fix" for this problem. Is there one?
I use about 3000 keywords for 3000 images, so obviously I can't find unique focus keywords; however it doesn't seem to hurt the yoast eval if you use a keyword a few times

 

marthamarks

« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2013, 16:57 »
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Steve (Cascoly), this is tremendously helpful. Thanks so much for taking time to answer so many of my crabby, PO-ed questions from this morning!

I really do appreciate hearing back from you and from several others, including a few who PM'd me with specific info.

As a result of all this advice and input I've spent this afternoon "mastering" (LOL) SEO with my small set of 8 Coyote images. Somehow managed to get them all to green on Yoast, and also have gotten the "similar images" widget working as it's supposed to. (Thanks, Redneck!!)

Here's that set of images, if you'd like to see them:

http://bestnaturestock.com/image-type/coyotes-images/

Now... just 595 more to go of the current batch already up on my site!!!   ::)

This is truly an amazing group of people. It's because of you guys with knowledge and willingness to share it that I had the courage to plunge into this venture. I'll be happy to pay it forward once I've finally figured out how this SYS system works. Meanwhile... I'm done with Coyotes, on to Bears!!!

Martha

marthamarks

« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2013, 08:09 »
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Here's a 24-hours-later update, and then I'll let this thread slide into history. Hope it will help somebody else down the line.

I spent all day yesterday learning to use Yoast. At first it seemed to take forever to move one image from red to green, but once I figured out what it wanted things picked up. By the end of the day I was zipping through them. Managed to finish all my Mammals/Carnivores section. Today, I'm on to Lizards!  8)

My too-long URL is a handicap but I've learned to work around it and can live with it.

Thanks again to all who helped me through this. As I've said before: you guys are great!

« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2013, 08:42 »
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Hi Martha
I think I know what you mean about your title but ....

When you are working on Yeost it will append to your heading/title/url whatever you have called your site in settings

In the Symbiostock (bee) Author Options there is an option to append your choice of wording to the title
under
Append Text to Title:

When you are editing and seo-ing the title of the site will appear, but once you have published it the text appended to title shows up, for instance I use "stock image"
Hope this helps

marthamarks

« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2013, 10:06 »
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Hi Christine,

I appreciate that tip! Will go check it out and get back to let you know.

My Yoast "snippet" looks like this:
American Black Bear - Martha Marks' Best Nature Stock Photography

That's exactly as many letters as I'm allowed. If I have an even longer subject name, I'm outta luck. Of course, having all that verbiage in the title may be good for branding. Or maybe not.

My URLs are long because I'm adding "stock photo" to the end, like this:

http://bestnaturestock.com/image/american-black-bear-stock-photo/

(Which SYS turns into this, making them even longer:
http://bestnaturestock.com/image/american-black-bear-stock-photo/?r=http://bestnaturestock.com
Why does this happen?

Is the addition of "stock photo" good or not? I forget where I read that it was advisable to do that. Do you agree?

Thanks so much!

Ron

« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2013, 12:48 »
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Yoast wasnt meant to be for image pages, but to get your website noticed. Mainly text based websites. None of my images is green and never will be.

« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2013, 13:04 »
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This is my graph from webmaster tools, I started my SEO after I uploaded everything.

« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2013, 13:07 »
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This is my graph from webmaster tools, I started my SEO after I uploaded everything.

I plan on doing that as well once I'm done uploading.

Not to hijack but does Yoast update the sitemap automatically or do you need to do that manually?

« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2013, 13:11 »
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This is my graph from webmaster tools, I started my SEO after I uploaded everything.

I plan on doing that as well once I'm done uploading.

Not to hijack but does Yoast update the sitemap automatically or do you need to do that manually?

I use Leo's and Yoast. Leos updates automatically.

« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2013, 13:25 »
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Thanks.  I'll work with Yoast for now then down the road get Leo's plugin.

marthamarks

« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2013, 17:50 »
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Yoast wasnt meant to be for image pages, but to get your website noticed. Mainly text based websites.


Quite true, Ron. I'm getting the hang of it now.

Actually, I've started having fun with Yoast. Not all my images have gotten to "bright green" but quite a few of them have. Often it seems that those I'm playing with the most get to green faster. Go figure!

I've been working on alligators and lizards this afternoon. Something about those subjects makes it easy to have fun with them. Here are two of my "bright green and fun" image pages:

http://bestnaturestock.com/image/lazy-lizard-stock-photo/
http://bestnaturestock.com/image/lizard-plays-peekaboo-stock-photo/

Does anybody see a downside to this "fun" approach... when the subject seems right for it?

« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2013, 18:01 »
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This is my graph from webmaster tools, I started my SEO after I uploaded everything.

I plan on doing that as well once I'm done uploading.

Not to hijack but does Yoast update the sitemap automatically or do you need to do that manually?


I use Leo's and Yoast. Leos updates automatically.

I use both and I think they both update automatically.

According to this blog:
https://managewp.com/google-seo-by-yoast-guide
If you check the box that says "Check this box to enable XML sitemap functionality." it will update automatically. Weird, but I haven't been able to confirm that on Yoasts site yet.

« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2013, 18:29 »
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rigt, both will update automatically

however, yoast defaults to 1000 images in an xml and will create a second one if you have > 1000 images,.  it Doesn't automatically create another one when you pass 200 though, but you just have to kick it and it will make the 3rd, etc and then auto upd  from there

this is separate from the yoast seo details which you still need to edit for each image


 

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