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Dook

« on: July 07, 2009, 04:26 »
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I want to make sure before I start uploading. Is it easy and fast to delete pictures from Veer Marketplace(like SH,StockXpert, FT and 123RF) or is it complicated(like DT and BigStock)? Anybody knows?


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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2009, 07:01 »
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I am not familiar with those other sites or how Veer MP compares, but before I signed up, I read the terms of their agreement.

You can read it here if you wish.

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D. You may request the removal of Content from the Site at any time, however, Content may persist in a Users shopping cart up to sixty (60) days, and if purchased by a User, will remain available for download and sublicensing by such User for a sixty (60) day period. Further, Content may appear for a longer period on affiliate and partner sites, however Veer Marketplace will use reasonable efforts to cause Content to be removed form the Sites of any affiliates and partners within sixty (60) days from the removal from the Site. You acknowledge and agree that Veer Marketplace, its affiliates and partners may continue to license the Content in accordance with this Agreement until the Content is so removed. You also acknowledge that Content which has been sub-licensed to a User prior to removal from the Site will remain available to the User in accordance with the terms of the Customer Agreement.


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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2009, 14:15 »
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excuz me Dook, did i read you wrongly, you said difficult with DT and easier with FT? are you not able to instantly disable with DT, while FT you cannot even revise your keywords. i 'm not sure if the delete button is active.

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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2009, 14:21 »
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I'm guessing he was referring to the 6-month lock-in with DT?

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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2009, 16:50 »
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I'm guessing he was referring to the 6-month lock-in with DT?

thx whatalife. that may be so, but wouldn't deactivate do the same to take it out of circulation. much like removing the keywords to your images for Alamy ? a work around i suppose, but it 's something that could be implemented if you needed to go exclusive elsewhere.
although i can't see why any site's support would not be helpful enough if you wrote them to ask them nicely , explaining your situation. they wouldn't want to burn bridges i am sure,even if you went exclusive with the competition. there is still a good chance in the future you could be doing business with them again.

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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2009, 17:58 »
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I'm guessing he was referring to the 6-month lock-in with DT?

thx whatalife. that may be so, but wouldn't deactivate do the same to take it out of circulation. much like removing the keywords to your images for Alamy ? a work around i suppose, but it 's something that could be implemented if you needed to go exclusive elsewhere.
although i can't see why any site's support would not be helpful enough if you wrote them to ask them nicely , explaining your situation. they wouldn't want to burn bridges i am sure,even if you went exclusive with the competition. there is still a good chance in the future you could be doing business with them again.

No, there are many threads around here where people have attempted in futility to work around their lock-in. In no case have I seen an artist released out of kindness or goodwill. There is a limit to the percentage of your portfolio that you may deactivate. By deactivating the max percentage of the most recently uploaded files, the time can be cut down some, but not completely negated.

If you are interested, I'm sure it would be relatively easy to locate one of the many rants posted around here. :)

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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2009, 18:07 »
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I'm guessing he was referring to the 6-month lock-in with DT?

thx whatalife. that may be so, but wouldn't deactivate do the same to take it out of circulation. much like removing the keywords to your images for Alamy ? a work around i suppose, but it 's something that could be implemented if you needed to go exclusive elsewhere.
although i can't see why any site's support would not be helpful enough if you wrote them to ask them nicely , explaining your situation. they wouldn't want to burn bridges i am sure,even if you went exclusive with the competition. there is still a good chance in the future you could be doing business with them again.

No, there are many threads around here where people have attempted in futility to work around their lock-in. In no case have I seen an artist released out of kindness or goodwill. There is a limit to the percentage of your portfolio that you may deactivate. By deactivating the max percentage of the most recently uploaded files, the time can be cut down some, but not completely negated.

If you are interested, I'm sure it would be relatively easy to locate one of the many rants posted around here. :)

so what are you implying, whatalife?
that if anyone intends to consider going exclusive or make images exclusive, to take this locked in period seriously? or maybe avoid the sites that make it difficult for you to delete?

what's your impression on this. i am sure others are interested to find out too, as this can be foresight.

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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2009, 18:11 »
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I'm guessing he was referring to the 6-month lock-in with DT?

thx whatalife. that may be so, but wouldn't deactivate do the same to take it out of circulation. much like removing the keywords to your images for Alamy ? a work around i suppose, but it 's something that could be implemented if you needed to go exclusive elsewhere.
although i can't see why any site's support would not be helpful enough if you wrote them to ask them nicely , explaining your situation. they wouldn't want to burn bridges i am sure,even if you went exclusive with the competition. there is still a good chance in the future you could be doing business with them again.

No, there are many threads around here where people have attempted in futility to work around their lock-in. In no case have I seen an artist released out of kindness or goodwill. There is a limit to the percentage of your portfolio that you may deactivate. By deactivating the max percentage of the most recently uploaded files, the time can be cut down some, but not completely negated.

If you are interested, I'm sure it would be relatively easy to locate one of the many rants posted around here. :)

so what are you implying, whatalife?
that if anyone intends to consider going exclusive or make images exclusive, to take this locked in period seriously? or maybe avoid the sites that make it difficult for you to delete?

what's your impression on this. i am sure others are interested to find out too, as this can be foresight.

I'm not implying anything. I'm stating in plain English that DT requires a lock-in for your images of 6 months. Other sites even longer. I hate to repeat myself, but shouldn't people know this before they upload their images? Maybe even read the contributor agreement before agreeing to it??

If you are asking a serious question, there is a list someone compiled stating the waiting periods for each site which has them. I'll see if I can find it for you.

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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2009, 18:18 »
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I'm not implying anything. I'm stating in plain English that DT requires a lock-in for your images of 6 months. Other sites even longer. I hate to repeat myself, but shouldn't people know this before they upload their images? Maybe even read the contributor agreement before agreeing to it??

If you are asking a serious question, there is a list someone compiled stating the waiting periods for each site which has them. I'll see if I can find it for you.

whatalife, i was under the impression that since it's not everyday a horde of contributors decide to go exclusive. in the real business world, when you leave a firm, and you were a good agent or whatever, the bosses usually try to accomodate your move to make it easier for you, not make it hell even though you are quitting the firm. i was expecting the same with microstock. But since you said it's not like that with them, yes, i am beginning to be concerned on this matter. although I fail to see the purpose why anyone  would choose to be anal about helping out a good contributor if and when he/she has decided to go exclusive. you would think the site would wish them well rather than feel sour grapes.

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2009, 18:59 »
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Wow, it was not easy to find, but here is the thread I remembered:
Preparing for istock exclusivity

In my searching, I came across a few DT threads for your enlightenment: ;)
Can't get out of DT quick enough
Why is DT being stupid?
DO NOT ENABLE PREVIOUSLY DISABLED FILES...
Leaving Dreamstime

puravida

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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2009, 19:06 »
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Wow, it was not easy to find, but here is the thread I remembered:
Preparing for istock exclusivity

In my searching, I came across a few DT threads for your enlightenment: ;)
Can't get out of DT quick enough
Why is DT being stupid?
DO NOT ENABLE PREVIOUSLY DISABLED FILES...
Leaving Dreamstime


cool, thx again whatalife ! i bookmarked them for thorough readover.

« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2009, 19:18 »
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... in the real business world, when you leave a firm, and you were a good agent or whatever, the bosses usually try to accomodate your move to make it easier for you, not make it hell even though you are quitting the firm...

Sorry to burst your bubble but in real world, if you try to leave your job to go work for a direct competitor, not only the bosses will not try to accomodate your move but will try to block it, often going to court... especially in a competitive environment. Many companies have a non-competition clause in their contracts.

It's the same with some microstock agencies. You say to them: Hey, you know my photos that you are making money from and that you took time to review and store on your servers? Well, starting next week, I'll only offer them from your biggest competitor... Not sure many of them would be happy with that.

I don't approved the 6 months lock in at DT but I can understand it up to a certain point. IMO, it should be a lot less. I'd be happy with 3 months like BS or with 60 days like Veer. But when I enrolled at DT, it was clearly stated in the contract and I choose to accept it and I have to live with my decision.

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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2009, 20:59 »
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I don't approved the 6 months lock in at DT but I can understand it up to a certain point. IMO, it should be a lot less. I'd be happy with 3 months like BS or with 60 days like Veer. But when I enrolled at DT, it was clearly stated in the contract and I choose to accept it and I have to live with my decision.


I appreciate your point, Talanis. I was also sounding like you many months ago when all the views and downloads seem to be working in my favor. You, no doubt ,are enjoying the good fortune with DT
so like you said, even if you don't approve of it, you live with the decision.
However, a number of posters here have also voiced a dissimilar situation in that many , if not most , of their new uploads are not get any views, so naturally not being found,and of course needless to say, no downloads.
We all went into the agreement bona fide that the agencies work with us to give us some assurance of a level playing field. If your images are not being found in the search , and not getting view, this is not compliant to the agreement we initially agreed. 
In the real world I am aware of the non - competition clause as a Consultant. But I am also aware that there is such thing as a breach of faith, and that too can be a cause to nullify the contract both parties signed. A contract works both ways, Talanis, to protect not just the contractor, it also works to protect the contractee.
Both parties have an obligation, not just the contributor to the agency.

errata:
breach of faith x-  s/b breach of trust +
« Last Edit: July 07, 2009, 21:10 by puravida »

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Dook

« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2009, 09:14 »
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I am not familiar with those other sites or how Veer MP compares, but before I signed up, I read the terms of their agreement.

You can read it here if you wish.

Quote
D. You may request the removal of Content from the Site at any time, however, Content may persist in a Users shopping cart up to sixty (60) days, and if purchased by a User, will remain available for download and sublicensing by such User for a sixty (60) day period. Further, Content may appear for a longer period on affiliate and partner sites, however Veer Marketplace will use reasonable efforts to cause Content to be removed form the Sites of any affiliates and partners within sixty (60) days from the removal from the Site. You acknowledge and agree that Veer Marketplace, its affiliates and partners may continue to license the Content in accordance with this Agreement until the Content is so removed. You also acknowledge that Content which has been sub-licensed to a User prior to removal from the Site will remain available to the User in accordance with the terms of the Customer Agreement.



Thank you for this information, Whatalife.
Pureavida, yes, DT 6 months period is the reason I asked this question. But, 30 or 60 days period stated by Veer is fair enough.

« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2009, 20:36 »
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But, it will be 2 month...that's less than DT but more than some other, to be exactly 2 month more.
I'm really really strained on all of this veer hipe. Looks like they extending any terms of the competitors near to the max, but second behind the worst case.
If they sell like hell, or second i start uploading.

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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2009, 09:38 »
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But, it will be 2 month...that's less than DT but more than some other, to be exactly 2 month more.
I'm really really strained on all of this veer hipe. Looks like they extending any terms of the competitors near to the max, but second behind the worst case.
If they sell like hell, or second i start uploading.

I don't view it as a forced lock-in. They are saying that the customer who has the image in their shopping cart, or the customer who has already purchased the file, will be able to download it from the site for 60 days. They are saying that images may appear on partner sites for up to 60 days. I think this is reasonable because they are not able to guarantee that the partner sites will pull them down immediately. I could be wrong but the wording to me reads very differently in tone and intent than the DT agreement.

« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2009, 17:58 »
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But, it will be 2 month...that's less than DT but more than some other, to be exactly 2 month more.
I'm really really strained on all of this veer hipe. Looks like they extending any terms of the competitors near to the max, but second behind the worst case.
If they sell like hell, or second i start uploading.

I don't view it as a forced lock-in. They are saying that the customer who has the image in their shopping cart, or the customer who has already purchased the file, will be able to download it from the site for 60 days. They are saying that images may appear on partner sites for up to 60 days. I think this is reasonable because they are not able to guarantee that the partner sites will pull them down immediately. I could be wrong but the wording to me reads very differently in tone and intent than the DT agreement.

Hi All -

Whatalife is spot on: images will most likely be removed quicker than that in most cases - but this segment of the agreement covers several "worst case" scenarios: customer leaving an image in their cart for an extended length of time, or the possibility down the road of collaborations with partner sites that may require extra time to pull a file. We're certainly not out to hold any images hostage, but want to be up front that in certain situations it may take a bit of time.

Hope that helps clarify.

- Brian

« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2009, 09:16 »
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I don't view it as a forced lock-in. They are saying that the customer who has the image in their shopping cart, or the customer who has already purchased the file, will be able to download it from the site for 60 days. They are saying that images may appear on partner sites for up to 60 days. I think this is reasonable because they are not able to guarantee that the partner sites will pull them down immediately. I could be wrong but the wording to me reads very differently in tone and intent than the DT agreement.
Whatalife is spot on: images will most likely be removed quicker than that in most cases - but this segment of the agreement covers several "worst case" scenarios: customer leaving an image in their cart for an extended length of time, or the possibility down the road of collaborations with partner sites that may require extra time to pull a file. We're certainly not out to hold any images hostage, but want to be up front that in certain situations it may take a bit of time. Hope that helps clarify.
Brian

Fair enough. Much like BigStockPhoto, who gave me the same reason. I have no problem with that.

Slightly off topic:  Whatalife, what happens after you disable your Dreamstime images? When are you allowed to delete them? I don't see any buttons. I like to delete my images that have been disabled.
Do you know how?


 

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