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Title: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: melastmohican on June 17, 2009, 14:00
I takes around 2 days which is not bad.

DONTS:
1. Architecture, especially details
2. Long series

DOS:
1. Flowers
2. Nature landscapes
3. Dogs on the beach
4. Isolated every day objects

Still waiting for my first image with universal MR to be reviewed.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: puravida on June 17, 2009, 14:12
Is this based on your first submission?  What dya mean by long series?
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: melastmohican on June 17, 2009, 14:27
Yes, my first submission. By long series I mean more than 5 from same location it would be cut by at least half so better to pick really best shots or split into different submissions.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: bittersweet on June 17, 2009, 14:30
So this was your first batch after your application batch?
Sounds like you got lucky; in the other thread, Brian said that some files had been waiting 5 days and they were working towards not going longer than that if possible.

Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: Squat on June 17, 2009, 15:07
finally logged-in with my password from Veer and authorize the transfer of my SV port , signed my tax treaty form,etc..  9 days late, but i thought i wait till the traffic subsided, or at least naissance glitches smoothed-out.
really like the system . all very nice and cleanly handled. c'est tres cool !.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: melastmohican on June 17, 2009, 15:46
So this was your first batch after your application batch?
Sounds like you got lucky; in the other thread, Brian said that some files had been waiting 5 days and they were working towards not going longer than that if possible.



Yep. Some files were done in 2 days, rest after additional two.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: bittersweet on June 17, 2009, 16:08
Hopefully they won't be like when istock had only two vector inspectors.  ;)
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: null on June 18, 2009, 02:45
Brian said that some files had been waiting 5 days and they were working towards not going longer than that if possible.

My 10-image application was uploaded June 12, and it's still in the queue now on June 18. That's 6 days already.

Update: accepted June 18.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: kaycee on June 18, 2009, 04:47
My thoughts::::

It took 7 days or more to review my submitted batch a combination of vectors and photos.
Some vectors got rejected I still don't understand why : not suitable for stock  (some are big runners on other agencies, even I stock accepted some raster version of it)
Some needed work: KEYWORD THING I still don't know wich keywords were bad....

I will see what the future brings....I think not bad it's almost like any other agency with their own prefference.

One thing bothered me was the editing application .....When you click for editing it looks like the page is shuffeling....
after 50 pictures my eyes hurt. 
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: qwerty on June 18, 2009, 05:20
I had 4 of my inital 10 reviewed in a couple of days, the other 6 have been pending review since the 9th of June. 

(first 4 all rejected to not suitable for stock   errrrrrrr. )
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: bittersweet on June 18, 2009, 05:34
Brian said that some files had been waiting 5 days and they were working towards not going longer than that if possible.

My 10-image application was uploaded June 12, and it's still in the queue now on June 18. That's 6 days already.

I'm sorry; I think he was referring to inspection times after the application process.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: Milinz on June 18, 2009, 08:43
Well guys and girls as well Veer Marketplace CREW,

I am not sure by what parameters any reviewer on Veer Marketplace can say that any image has LCV or is not commercial... It is dumb reason: You should let buyers decide what they need - You as reviewers should stay at strict quality standards and reject only images which are with bad quality - At least for first 2 - 3 million images you have to place in Veer Marketplace image base. Well, there is also something called too-similar to already accepted - but not for same series - it is more for 'copy-cats' of other authors!

If Veer Marketplace becomes other Crestock or iStock - there will be no chance to make success with that policy.
There is Veer - they know what they sell and what buyers need by higher prices... No one at Veer Marketplace can be sure that any image is or isn't salable until buyers get access to Veer Marketplace image base. Microstock is completely different world comparing to Traditional or mid-stock standards in sales!

So, any non-technical rejection is wrong in this phase! I mean it: Any flower, cloud or anything else with good technical quality should be accepted. I know it - I review on some place too.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: dunsmore on June 18, 2009, 09:08

I know it - I review on some place too.


Oh! s***  :P
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: null on June 18, 2009, 09:34
I'm sorry; I think he was referring to inspection times after the application process.

Ah ok, well I'm quite relaxed about it all. They will have an overload of images the first weeks.

Update: just checked. "You can submit". All accepted. I like the programming of the site and the aesthetics of the graphics and the behavior. Top professional work. Let's see what the future brings. Que sera, sera.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: PeterChigmaroff on June 18, 2009, 11:28
I accidentally pushed a set of 20 images through without attaching release. Is there a way to retrieve them or do I wait for rejections on all of them and then resubmit?
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: Milinz on June 18, 2009, 11:59

I know it - I review on some place too.


Oh! s***  :P


Don't worry I don't reject just because I don't like someone  ;)
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: melastmohican on June 18, 2009, 12:50
Update: They accepted one photo with my universal MR so I understand it would work there. I got more in a queue.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: Brian O'Shea on June 18, 2009, 13:29
I accidentally pushed a set of 20 images through without attaching release. Is there a way to retrieve them or do I wait for rejections on all of them and then resubmit?

Hi Zeus -

Now that the images have been submitted and are in our queue, there is no way to retrieve them from your end.
Our editors will catch this and flag these as "soft-fails".

These files will be pushed back to you and show up as "needs work" at the top of your Pending tab.
You can then move them into the editing workspace, attach releases, and resubmit. No need to re-upload the files themselves.

- Brian
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: dirkr on June 18, 2009, 13:49
Ok, my experience from my first batch (after the initial 10, which all were accepted):

98 / 100 accepted, the remaining two pushed back due to missing releases (one PR, one MR, which I don't have, so I will have to delete them).

Most of the pics were Nature / Wildlife / Travel. No isolated objects, no models.

As this is what I have in my port I am pretty optimistic to have a good acceptance rate.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: puravida on June 18, 2009, 14:00
.................- I review on some place too.

YES we know too, it's not Fotolia but F----------.   Reading your posts, it's not that difficult to guess which site.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: bittersweet on June 18, 2009, 18:07
Very encouraged by my first post-application batch of 20 vectors. It was a mix of my better sellers and my "not suitable as istock" rejections. 17 were approved; 1 "needs work" on weird keywords (copied and pasted from istock and didn't pay enough attention); 2 need work that involves removing one element and resubmitting.

Brian, I have a question about that... for the keywords, I was able to fix and submit again without re-uploading the file. Obviously I will have to upload new files for the other two, but is there any way to link them to the resubmit notice? Or are they just treated as new uploads, and in that case I would just delete the originals from my workspace?

Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: cathyslife on June 18, 2009, 19:41
I uploaded my initial 10 on 6/10. I just got notice today that all 10 were rejected. Here's the reason:

Based on these 10 images, we can't offer you contributor privileges at this time. You are welcome to submit 10 new images

I uploaded my 10 best sellers from IS and other sites. I am really bummed. Not only am I a reject, but the reason is so generic and lame, I don't even know why they were rejected. Not good enough? Not the right content?

Wow, I feel like such a loser.   ???
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: eppic on June 18, 2009, 20:45
My test batch of 32 images tha tI submitted several days ago have now all been reviewed.  Out of the 32, 6 got rejected. 3 were "limited commercial value" and 3 others were rejected based on submitting too many images with similar content.  It seems they don't want too many photos of firefighters battling house and car fires all at once.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: puravida on June 18, 2009, 21:01
I uploaded my initial 10 on 6/10. I just got notice today that all 10 were rejected. Here's the reason:

Based on these 10 images, we can't offer you contributor privileges at this time. You are welcome to submit 10 new images

I uploaded my 10 best sellers from IS and other sites. I am really bummed. Not only am I a reject, but the reason is so generic and lame, I don't even know why they were rejected. Not good enough? Not the right content?

Wow, I feel like such a loser.   ???

That was your biggest mistake : submit your 10 best sellers from IS and other sites.
You read that Veer wants to be different. Also, who would want to have images that have sold and sold and sold. Even an IS exclusive has pointed here on another thread re Yuri and another stock site,
"who wants a pile of images that have been sold so many times already on so many other sites" , or words to that effect.

Don't give up just yet. Stop trying to compare Veer to "all the other sites". Give them your best images that have not been submitted or sold . You don't give old shoes to a new man in town.
Good luck.
 
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: peresanz on June 19, 2009, 02:01
Very encouraged by my first post-application batch of 20 vectors. It was a mix of my better sellers and my "not suitable as istock" rejections. 17 were approved; 1 "needs work" on weird keywords (copied and pasted from istock and didn't pay enough attention); 2 need work that involves removing one element and resubmitting.

Brian, I have a question about that... for the keywords, I was able to fix and submit again without re-uploading the file. Obviously I will have to upload new files for the other two, but is there any way to link them to the resubmit notice? Or are they just treated as new uploads, and in that case I would just delete the originals from my workspace?



Two days ago I sent an email to [email protected]  regarding the same issue. I had some  images sent back to the 'New' folder because they 'need work'. One of the images need some re-processing so I need to resubmit. It seems that the image should be resubmitted without previous references or traces of having being reviewed previously. As I have not yet received response from 'contributor help' I deleted the image and resubmitted. I really don't like this procedure because there is no follow-up of the history of the reviews on this image. Is like playing loto...
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: Milinz on June 19, 2009, 03:13
.................- I review on some place too.

YES we know too, it's not Fotolia but F----------.   Reading your posts, it's not that difficult to guess which site.

Well... I didn't stated anything. And that where is really not important at all!
BTW, most reviewers are changing agencies - so one day they may be at IS and other day they may be at SS... At the end I happen to know some people here who was reviewers or still are, but that where is really not relevant ;-)
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: sgcallaway1994 on June 19, 2009, 10:07
 >:( Brian~

I think I may have received a questionable review.  All my images were rejected for the SAME reason..." Pixel quality issue (noise, compression or resizing artifacts) ".  Why I believe something went wrong is because each image was not related to the other.  They are ALL from separate photo shoots (with the exception of 1).  In addition, ALL of these images have been approved on other sites, many of which have an EXTREMELY tough review process.  Could someone please look into this.... here are just a few examples.

http://us.fotolia.com/id/11256108 (http://us.fotolia.com/id/11256108)
http://us.fotolia.com/id/13281300 (http://us.fotolia.com/id/13281300)
http://us.fotolia.com/id/14589317 (http://us.fotolia.com/id/14589317)
http://us.fotolia.com/id/14708214 (http://us.fotolia.com/id/14708214)
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=9041689 (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=9041689)
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=8953306 (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=8953306)

Thanks, I just wanted to confirm something strange didn't occur with my upload because I'm having a difficult time believing these images truly have issues with artifacts or pixel quality.


Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: peresanz on June 19, 2009, 10:29
>:( Brian~

I think I may have received a questionable review.  All my images were rejected for the SAME reason..." Pixel quality issue (noise, compression or resizing artifacts) ".  Why I believe something went wrong is because each image was not related to the other.  They are ALL from separate photo shoots (with the exception of 1).  In addition, ALL of these images have been approved on other sites, many of which have an EXTREMELY tough review process.  Could someone please look into this.... here are just a few examples.

[url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/11256108[/url] ([url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/11256108[/url])
[url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/13281300[/url] ([url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/13281300[/url])
[url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/14589317[/url] ([url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/14589317[/url])
[url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/14708214[/url] ([url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/14708214[/url])
[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=9041689[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=9041689[/url])
[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=8953306[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=8953306[/url])

Thanks, I just wanted to confirm something strange didn't occur with my upload because I'm having a difficult time believing these images truly have issues with artifacts or pixel quality.






Funny thing, last week I had  7 images in a row rejected for the same reason "Pixel quality issue...". The rest of submitted images have been approved  included the initial 10, or sent back to the edit folder for further work. What is curious is having a rejection in a row for the same reason...Thought  I found questionable these rejections, no complains here. I Just follow the question, in case that there is an error here.

Cheers,

Pere
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: Milinz on June 19, 2009, 10:29
>:( Brian~

I think I may have received a questionable review.  All my images were rejected for the SAME reason..." Pixel quality issue (noise, compression or resizing artifacts) ".  Why I believe something went wrong is because each image was not related to the other.  They are ALL from separate photo shoots (with the exception of 1).  In addition, ALL of these images have been approved on other sites, many of which have an EXTREMELY tough review process.  Could someone please look into this.... here are just a few examples.

[url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/11256108[/url] ([url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/11256108[/url])
[url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/13281300[/url] ([url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/13281300[/url])
[url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/14589317[/url] ([url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/14589317[/url])
[url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/14708214[/url] ([url]http://us.fotolia.com/id/14708214[/url])
[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=9041689[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=9041689[/url])
[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=8953306[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=8953306[/url])

Thanks, I just wanted to confirm something strange didn't occur with my upload because I'm having a difficult time believing these images truly have issues with artifacts or pixel quality.




Well, for todays standards there is some bad pixels at first two images - at blue surfaces... You'd use some image denoiser and try to kill that noise.
At dog images there is also noise on eyes - slightly pixels and more reflections which are unwanted by many people now... Well I'd try to make that look a bit more natural if possible.

Those on iStock I leave to people from iStock to comment - I really don't understand iStock standards.... They've rejected some of my images for artifacts and that was not something I understood because I didn't find any...
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: null on June 19, 2009, 10:52
.................- I review on some place too.

YES we know too, it's not Fotolia but F----------.   Reading your posts, it's not that difficult to guess which site.

Well... I didn't stated anything. And that where is really not important at all!
BTW, most reviewers are changing agencies - so one day they may be at IS and other day they may be at SS... At the end I happen to know some people here who was reviewers or still are, but that where is really not relevant ;-)

At least we know who Atilla is now.  :P
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: cathyslife on June 19, 2009, 16:44
@puravida

That was your biggest mistake : submit your 10 best sellers from IS and other sites.
You read that Veer wants to be different. Also, who would want to have images that have sold and sold and sold. Even an IS exclusive has pointed here on another thread re Yuri and another stock site,
"who wants a pile of images that have been sold so many times already on so many other sites" , or words to that effect.

Don't give up just yet. Stop trying to compare Veer to "all the other sites". Give them your best images that have not been submitted or sold . You don't give old shoes to a new man in town.
Good luck.


That is a good point. But if the images I'm submitting to Veer are not exclusive, that means I might have the same images on other sites. So if one of the images that I post on Veer takes off on another site I am on, then the photo on Veer isn't going to be different anymore, is it? To me, the only way to be different on Veer is to shoot exclusively for Veer. Hmmm....

I'll go through some of my latest uploads that haven't had a chance to sell yet and see if something there might be a better fit and give it one more shot. And all this time I thought my photography work was getting better and better...
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: puravida on June 19, 2009, 18:03
That is a good point. But if the images I'm submitting to Veer are not exclusive, that means I might have the same images on other sites. So if one of the images that I post on Veer takes off on another site I am on, then the photo on Veer isn't going to be different anymore, is it? To me, the only way to be different on Veer is to shoot exclusively for Veer. Hmmm....

I'll go through some of my latest uploads that haven't had a chance to sell yet and see if something there might be a better fit and give it one more shot. And all this time I thought my photography work was getting better and better...

Rather than view it as rejects from the Big 5 , better to think from a different point.
The simplest analogy would be IS and SS, as we all know it. Many times the one you think is a sure thing for SS are the same ones that gets rejected by IS. It's not because they are lousy images, just that the buyers needs or culture is different . Same with DT and FT.
If you look at Veer , the elder brother, you will see what I mean. There is really no point of Veer opening a micro site that is a clone of SS , IS, DT , and FT is there?
They have to hold their own to succeed, so it's no surprise they are looking for something else.
I would say, submit the newest images you have, rather than the ones that already sold well elsewhere.

And as you say, they sell like the other sites, well, it really does not matter then. They just want to have the new images like the others, not your old stuff. Hope I explain properly my point.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: melastmohican on June 19, 2009, 18:27
I uploaded my initial 10 on 6/10. I just got notice today that all 10 were rejected. Here's the reason:

Based on these 10 images, we can't offer you contributor privileges at this time. You are welcome to submit 10 new images

I uploaded my 10 best sellers from IS and other sites. I am really bummed. Not only am I a reject, but the reason is so generic and lame, I don't even know why they were rejected. Not good enough? Not the right content?

Wow, I feel like such a loser.   ???

I bet bestsellers from other agencies might be your oldest images not necessary your best images :-) I am not sure what percentage of reviewers comes from SV, how many from macro and how many are newbies. You might need a fresh look. Your bestsellers might fail if you apply to IS again today :-)
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: mattb on June 19, 2009, 20:52
I had something really strange happen with my initial batch, they all got sent to "needs work" for releases. There was an issue with the model release I used, so I understand why those got pushed back but I'm confused as to the rest of them. Has anyone had to supply releases for images at Veer when non of the other agencies needed one?
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: null on June 20, 2009, 06:58
Has anyone had to supply releases for images at Veer when non of the other agencies needed one?

Yes, this one was accepted but needed a model release. I don't understand why since the facial screen of the firefighter is one-way vision to reflect the heath and the light, and all skin parts included hands are covered with thick protective clothes. No way they could recognize themselves here. It's two girls.  :P

(http://www.dreamstime.com/firefighters-extinguishing-pipeline-fire-thumb8961598.jpg)

Crop at 100%:
(http://cjoint.com/data/gun2mzSGwx_firef.jpg)

It was accepted without MRF at DT and SS, but I put a remark for the reviewer there. Perhaps Veer should have a field like that too.
Incidentally, BigStock rejected it for "not interesting for stock". Go figure  ;)
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: puravida on June 20, 2009, 07:23
Then again, not with Veer but with DT,etc...I had similar images of unidentifiable professional people at worksites rejected due to MR. One set was even just a silhouette of construction workers in the distance, occupying not even 20% of the image. I can relate to the fact that perharps even though these professionals are (unable to recognize themselves), the setting is recognizable and (could) be connected and in turn be recognized.
eg. the building site , or in your case FD, the demo of the firefighters. Just guessing the reason, though.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: mattb on June 20, 2009, 18:46
If I really stretch I could maybe understand the firefighters, but I'm still scratching my head on this one.

(http://www.dreamstime.com/falling-money-thumb1234797.jpg)
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: cathyslife on June 20, 2009, 19:54
puravida: I understood your explanation perfectly and appreciate the advice. Everything you say makes sense.

I went back through my portfolio and submitted newer images. I also notice that they like people images, so I uploaded some of those, too. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: Milinz on June 22, 2009, 04:58
@ Brian:

Hi!

I got some rejections due to irrelevant keywords on some images... I'd be very grateful if your system becomes able for reviewers to mark that irrelevant keywords and show them to contributors... Some of us are not experts in English language and I must admit that marking irrelevant keywords can help to many international contributors to avoid hassle for all.

Cheers!

P.S. Keywords are edited by agencies crews on most sites without asking authors. Maybe you can do the same? Just delete irrelevant keywords? This way we all have lost time (and money).
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: Milinz on June 22, 2009, 05:07
I don't buy your oppinion about 'different needs and culture' - that is crap!
Stock Image is either good or not - No one can persuade me that there is something as LCV or 'not needed' for good stock image!

The other thing is about 'new' or 'old' images... That is crap too! Buyers will buy image they need - not the new one or old one... It is really not relevant for buyers if image illustrates what is needed to illustrate.

That is a good point. But if the images I'm submitting to Veer are not exclusive, that means I might have the same images on other sites. So if one of the images that I post on Veer takes off on another site I am on, then the photo on Veer isn't going to be different anymore, is it? To me, the only way to be different on Veer is to shoot exclusively for Veer. Hmmm....

I'll go through some of my latest uploads that haven't had a chance to sell yet and see if something there might be a better fit and give it one more shot. And all this time I thought my photography work was getting better and better...

Rather than view it as rejects from the Big 5 , better to think from a different point.
The simplest analogy would be IS and SS, as we all know it. Many times the one you think is a sure thing for SS are the same ones that gets rejected by IS. It's not because they are lousy images, just that the buyers needs or culture is different . Same with DT and FT.
If you look at Veer , the elder brother, you will see what I mean. There is really no point of Veer opening a micro site that is a clone of SS , IS, DT , and FT is there?
They have to hold their own to succeed, so it's no surprise they are looking for something else.
I would say, submit the newest images you have, rather than the ones that already sold well elsewhere.

And as you say, they sell like the other sites, well, it really does not matter then. They just want to have the new images like the others, not your old stuff. Hope I explain properly my point.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: Dreamframer on June 22, 2009, 06:48
My acceptance ratio is good there. The only thing that surprised me was rejection of some of the best images I had.
About MR: I don't know for Veer, but Alamy needs model release even for silhouettes, unrecognizable people and body parts. I had an image of a beach taken from great distance, so people looked like dark dots. When I wrote to Alamy support, they told me I need model release for all of them, otherwise, the image must be licensed.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: bittersweet on June 22, 2009, 08:08
I don't buy your oppinion about 'different needs and culture' - that is crap!
Stock Image is either good or not - No one can persuade me that there is something as LCV or 'not needed' for good stock image!

The other thing is about 'new' or 'old' images... That is crap too! Buyers will buy image they need - not the new one or old one... It is really not relevant for buyers if image illustrates what is needed to illustrate.

Well, his theory was pretty much confirmed by the email that Cathy got. They may edit their collection however they choose. If you don't agree with their editing philosophies, then perhaps they are not a good match for your efforts, and your time would be better spent uploading to an agency that accepts everything you send them.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: puravida on June 22, 2009, 10:23
I don't buy your oppinion about 'different needs and culture' - that is crap!
Stock Image is either good or not - No one can persuade me that there is something as LCV or 'not needed' for good stock image!

The other thing is about 'new' or 'old' images... That is crap too! Buyers will buy image they need - not the new one or old one... It is really not relevant for buyers if image illustrates what is needed to illustrate.

Well, his theory was pretty much confirmed by the email that Cathy got. They may edit their collection however they choose. If you don't agree with their editing philosophies, then perhaps they are not a good match for your efforts, and your time would be better spent uploading to an agency that accepts everything you send them.

Yes, whatalife understands what I meant by CULTURE.
Milinz, I answer to you on your latest bant (banding) but I will repeat it here for your convenience:
-
You said you are a reviewer. I am shocked that you do not respect another reviewer's judgement for the agency they work. This is what I meant on the other site when I said - the culture of a site . It's not crap, it's what the site tells their reviewers the criteria of what is wanted and what is not.
As whatalife mentioned there too, if you disagree, you can always stop uploading to IS, or Veer, and perharps, upload to the site you review. This way, you don't have to keep crapping on how everyone is unfair to you here on MSG.  --
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: sgcallaway1994 on June 22, 2009, 12:56
How disappointing....

I guess no one (from VEER) is going to respond to my above rejection issue , I will have to accept that my review wasn't bad, it just is what it is.  I won't be questioning any further reviews either.  I just thought there was a possiblility of a problem, but I guess not.  However, I do find it VERY frustrating to have images denied for reasons which don't make any sense.  I-Stock would NEVER approve an image if their was a pixel or artifact issues, they are just too STRICT!  If VEER doesn't want my images because they don't fit into their "collection" or big picture, I'd much rather have them say, this isn't the type of image we need right now.  It would be far less frustating and confusing for someone like me who is still learning. 
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: Milinz on June 22, 2009, 12:58
I don't buy your oppinion about 'different needs and culture' - that is crap!
Stock Image is either good or not - No one can persuade me that there is something as LCV or 'not needed' for good stock image!

The other thing is about 'new' or 'old' images... That is crap too! Buyers will buy image they need - not the new one or old one... It is really not relevant for buyers if image illustrates what is needed to illustrate.

Well, his theory was pretty much confirmed by the email that Cathy got. They may edit their collection however they choose. If you don't agree with their editing philosophies, then perhaps they are not a good match for your efforts, and your time would be better spent uploading to an agency that accepts everything you send them.

Yes, whatalife understands what I meant by CULTURE.
Milinz, I answer to you on your latest bant (banding) but I will repeat it here for your convenience:
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You said you are a reviewer. I am shocked that you do not respect another reviewer's judgement for the agency they work. This is what I meant on the other site when I said - the culture of a site . It's not crap, it's what the site tells their reviewers the criteria of what is wanted and what is not.
As whatalife mentioned there too, if you disagree, you can always stop uploading to IS, or Veer, and perharps, upload to the site you review. This way, you don't have to keep crapping on how everyone is unfair to you here on MSG.  --


Am I getting on your nerves? You pop in here and say something about some other reviewers as it is connected to veer people? What is your interest in that? Yes I don't respect stupid rules which are enforced by even more stupid people. After this your pop-in here and taking that as I personally offended you, I am sure you have some connection with CULTURE which is NOT COMPATIBLE to my culture. Don't forget one thing: I am liberatian - you are obeyatian!
Do you feel like policeman? Am I someone who must obey some rules which are not fit to me? Forget it man and don't even try to teach me about your moral standards!

As liberatian - I am for possibility that buyers decide what they will or will not buy. Not to give them choice in between basically the same things! That is why I don't fit in 'controlled' environment.

Also, if you don't like to see what I have to say, please press IGNORE button - and voila - no more milinz.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: Milinz on June 22, 2009, 13:10
I don't buy your oppinion about 'different needs and culture' - that is crap!
Stock Image is either good or not - No one can persuade me that there is something as LCV or 'not needed' for good stock image!

The other thing is about 'new' or 'old' images... That is crap too! Buyers will buy image they need - not the new one or old one... It is really not relevant for buyers if image illustrates what is needed to illustrate.

Well, his theory was pretty much confirmed by the email that Cathy got. They may edit their collection however they choose. If you don't agree with their editing philosophies, then perhaps they are not a good match for your efforts, and your time would be better spent uploading to an agency that accepts everything you send them.


I am pretty sure that Veer review process is far from unfair as on iStock... So far no rejections without reason and therefor I am OK with Veer inspectors!

As for your concerns about what where I should upload or not, I think you should keep your own business and take care about your images. Also, try not to give advices before you are asked for advice!
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: lisafx on June 22, 2009, 13:41
Cathy, I just checked out your latest images on DT.  Your newer pictures definitely have more vibrant colors and better lighting than the older ones.  I can't imagine they would reject many of them.  Your taco series, along with the chili, mac & cheese, and broccoli ones are outstanding.  Try submitting some from those.   
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: bittersweet on June 22, 2009, 13:52
How disappointing....

I guess no one (from VEER) is going to respond to my above rejection issue , I will have to accept that my review wasn't bad, it just is what it is.  I won't be questioning any further reviews either.  I just thought there was a possiblility of a problem, but I guess not.   

Have you contacted them directly? I believe Cathy did that, and received a very detailed explanation (as posted). I wouldn't fault them for not dealing with your personal business on an independent forum. If you contact them through their own web site, and they do not respond, then you would be rightfully disappointed. Don't read too much into them not responding here. :)
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: null on June 22, 2009, 13:53
When I wrote to Alamy support, they told me I need model release for all of them, otherwise, the image must be licensed.

What is "licensed"? Turned into editorial?
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: Milinz on June 22, 2009, 15:22
where I should upload or not, I think you should keep your own business and take care about your images. Also, try not to give advices before you are asked for advice!

You must be about the biggest self-indulging moron I ever read here.  ;D
At least we stole you Kosovo  :D
Back into my garbage bin.


Well, now I have docummented this and you can hope to get legal court invite for insult!

What civilized people?
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: puravida on June 22, 2009, 17:24

where I should upload or not, I think you should keep your own business and take care about your images. Also, try not to give advices before you are asked for advice!

You are truly an amusing specimen. I am not angry at all, nor will I listen to you to push the IGNORE button. As for the latter try not to give advices b4 being asked, I think you should take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror and repeat that.
Finally, you never seem to want to get it into your head that perharps you don't know what you are talking . Everyone is wrong and you are right, from IS, to whoever respond to your rant.
What's the point of putting in your rant if you don't expect anyone to disagree with you? Maybe you should request Tyler to get you your own section with the section heading :  Milinz is Always Right  !  :D
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: madelaide on June 22, 2009, 17:31
What is "licensed"? Turned into editorial?
RM.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: cathyslife on June 22, 2009, 17:33
Ug, this thread has taken an ugly turn.

Back on topic...Lisa, thanks for taking the time to look. I resubmitted 10 yesterday, before reading your post today. I hope I chose the right 10. I did submit some you mentioned, and some people photos.

We'll see.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: melastmohican on June 22, 2009, 17:37
It seems like reviewers got overwhelmed with submissions. Everything has stopped :-)
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: lisafx on June 22, 2009, 17:38
I am sure you will do better this time around.  I was really impressed with what I saw in your port!  

Made me hungry, unfortunately.  Oh well, at least the broccoli is on my diet ;)
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: Squat on June 22, 2009, 18:42
It seems like reviewers got overwhelmed with submissions. Everything has stopped :-)

I don't doubt that. I uploaded my first 14 new images on the 18th, right after my SV portfolio was ported over. I don't expect the reviewers to rush to my new images so soon.  Sure, the traffic must be less jammed now compared to the first 10 days, but I think the reviewers need to rest. No big hurry for me, as I already have 46 from SV. Just wish them the best that all runs smoothly.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: bad to the bone on June 22, 2009, 20:07
...still waiting for someone who tells that veer accept only special type of pictures with higher quality or more "arty" look. Until now i read only the same old discussions i've heard already about any other agency. Where is the veer-hype? :-)
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: null on June 22, 2009, 20:51
...still waiting for someone who tells that veer accept only special type of pictures with higher quality or more "arty" look. Until now i read only the same old discussions i've heard already about any other agency. Where is the veer-hype? :-)

I had my initial 10 accepted last week but I'm still pondering what to upload and what they really want. Reading the forum here, I took a sample with not too many (4) isolated people shots, as I've got the impression they prefer people in situation, avava-style. Half were nature/varia, half were people.

@CClapper: these are the 10 accepted, to give you an idea, subject-wise.

(http://cjoint.com/data/gxdWxzpPPs_collage.jpg)
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: goldenangel on June 22, 2009, 20:55
The reviews seem to have stopped, at least for me. Maybe they are doing it in waves, per contributor. I guess we are not in hurry since they won't be on sale in the next few days anyway.
I have a good acceptance so far. They definitely like people images, although some of those did get rejected. I was surprised that some of my better selling images got rejected for lack of commercial appeal.
Title: Re: Initial thoughts on Veer reviews
Post by: Milinz on June 23, 2009, 03:47

where I should upload or not, I think you should keep your own business and take care about your images. Also, try not to give advices before you are asked for advice!

You are truly an amusing specimen. I am not angry at all, nor will I listen to you to push the IGNORE button. As for the latter try not to give advices b4 being asked, I think you should take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror and repeat that.
Finally, you never seem to want to get it into your head that perharps you don't know what you are talking . Everyone is wrong and you are right, from IS, to whoever respond to your rant.
What's the point of putting in your rant if you don't expect anyone to disagree with you? Maybe you should request Tyler to get you your own section with the section heading :  Milinz is Always Right  !  :D



Well dude, I may be not right - but you have to agree that I can have 'black sheep' oppinion about many things you or some other people and agencies can think or act...

The point what you've done wrong is moving my specific oppinion about one subject and one reviewer into here - where I don't have problems with reviewers except my mistakes in keywording - which is easilly to get right.
Also, there are people like FlemishDreams who are cynical and are insulting in public where they don't know that may bring them very nasty law suit.

I don't come here to insult you or anyone else. I just write my sincere and in many casses harsh oppinion or rant about not logical rejections and some agency policy which is bad for business - You can like it or not!

BTW, Veer Marketplace reviewers approved even what some others rejected - so that is it about my ranting on Veer - No bad expirience with Veer at all!