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« on: April 11, 2012, 06:13 »
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just had 2 refunds for 3.5$ each.. exciting :D


« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 09:44 »
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I've never had a refund at Veer (that I know of) - how do they record that? Does it show up on the statistics tab of the Dashboard?

« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 09:46 »
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yep!

4/10/2012    Spices collection    Refund    Standard    Large Return       ($3.50)

« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 09:47 »
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I've never had a refund at Veer (that I know of) - how do they record that? Does it show up on the statistics tab of the Dashboard?

Yes.  I had three returns yesterday, exactly a week after the sales were reported.  XL images at $5.25 each.

« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2012, 09:53 »
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4/10/2012    Spices collection    Refund    Standard    Large Return       ($3.50)
4/10/2012    Spices collection    Refund    Standard    Large Return       ($3.50)

9/30/2011    Spices collection    Standard    Standard    Large       $3.50
9/30/2011    Spices collection    Standard    Standard    Large       $3.50

7 months in between

« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2012, 11:03 »
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Seven months?! Might be worth e-mail to support to ask them why a refund was given such a very long time after a sale. They may pull an iStock and tell you to piss off (that's how I interpret iStock's garbage answer that they're too busy to give you the exact reason) but it might be worth a try.

I really think there needs to be a time limit on refunds. Stores do it with physical goods, why not with  image licenses? Given that we don't know the buyer, we can't even check up to see that they're being honest about it. I'm sure the agency isn't returning money to the customer, just credits, so it's no skin off their nose if they allow this sort of thing.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2012, 12:02 by jsnover »

« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2012, 11:50 »
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Strange, i also had my first refund there yesterday, but it was dated on yesterday. (an XS for $0,35  ::))

« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2012, 12:01 »
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I had two refunds in January of a large and an EL totaling $38.50, four days after the sales. - annoying but at least it was within a reasonable time.  If it was 7 months I would complain.  I agree with jsnover that there should be a limit for digital content - 7 days seems reasonable, 30 tops.

tab62

« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2012, 12:36 »
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The way this month is going I am sure I will get a 'Refund'...

« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2012, 12:44 »
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Seven months?! Might be worth e-mail to support to ask them why a refund was given such a very long time after a sale. They may pull an iStock and tell you to piss off (that's how I interpret iStock's garbage answer that they're too busy to give you the exact reason) but it might be worth a try.

I really think there needs to be a time limit on refunds. Stores do it with physical goods, why not with  image licenses? Given that we don't know the buyer, we can't even check up to see that they're being honest about it. I'm sure the agency isn't returning money to the customer, just credits, so it's no skin off their nose if they allow this sort of thing.

you have made a good point and as they seem quite active here I believe they will clarify us

« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2012, 15:56 »
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 10/04/2012  Banana Refund  Standard XSmall Return   ($0.35) 
 10/04/2012  Banana Refund  Standard XSmall Return   ($0.35) 
 10/04/2012  Banana Refund  Standard Large Return   ($3.50) 
 10/04/2012  Banana Refund  Standard Medium Return   ($2.10) 
 10/04/2012  Banana Refund  Standard Large Return   ($3.50) 
 10/04/2012  Banana Refund  Standard Large Return   ($3.50) 
 10/04/2012  Banana Refund  Standard XSmall Return   ($0.35) 

a bad joke ?  >:(

« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2012, 00:16 »
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And now I see that I was lucky enough to receive a refund today for a sale made April 1st - "Flowering trees   Refund   Standard    XXLarge Return    √   ($7.00)"

So why this sudden rash of refunds for so many people? If Veer doesn't step in here this week, I think I'll send something to support asking for an explanation next week.

« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2012, 00:43 »
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Another contributor who contacted support already was told by Veer that this was credit card fraud. They're sorry, but when the sale is cancelled the royalties must be taken back. That contributor was hit a whole lot harder than my measly $7 refund.

I know we went through all this when iStock snatched back a bunch of cash, but I still feel the same way - the agency allowed the fraud to happen; our files were delivered to the customer; the agency can't/won't get the files back but they want to take away contributor royalties anyway. The agency takes the lions share of the gross and part of their expense should be dealing with fraud.

I think the agencies are just trying to boost their profits at contributors' expense when they can't grow the top line (revenues). It's not right, but short of taking our content and walking away, I don't know how (at the moment) we can get the agencies to behave fairly and decently. My only thought is that at some point they'll need something from us and that will be the point at which we can try to undo some of these "more cash for the agency" policies. At this point, I think the only agency that hasn't ever hit me with a refund is SS.

« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2012, 06:34 »
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exactly Jo Ann, well said!

« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2012, 17:23 »
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this is going to be the month of refunds, so far Veer, 123RF and minutes ago iStock

« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2012, 03:25 »
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I have just had a refund for 43,75$ (production for resale) one month after the sale was reported. What looks very fishy is the fact that the same image has sold at the same time of the refund for 0.25$ as subscription sale!

« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2012, 11:22 »
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i afraid if it is a new marketing strategy/ strategy for much profit by the agencies. 1st to show your sale and then take back the royalty given to contributor saying it was fraud. Its duty of agency to stop fraud not of a contributor. If some one  uses our images in a fraudulent way then its fault of agency. Why to penalize we contributors. And wot is the guarantee that there was really any fraud and the agency is not telling a lie.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2012, 11:24 by gemmy12 »

« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2012, 08:04 »
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i afraid if it is a new marketing strategy/ strategy for much profit by the agencies. 1st to show your sale and then take back the royalty given to contributor saying it was fraud. Its duty of agency to stop fraud not of a contributor. If some one  uses our images in a fraudulent way then its fault of agency. Why to penalize we contributors. And wot is the guarantee that there was really any fraud and the agency is not telling a lie.

There is no guarantee and in today's world, companies will do whatever it takes. Somebody has to pay for management's expensive cars, homes and vacations. And typically it's the low man on the totem pole who is barely scraping by anyway.

This is a little off the topic of agency fraud, but not really...I know a girl at school who was so happy to get an internship at a local marketing company. I just found out a week ago from her that all this time she has been getting paid as a subcontractor, even though she works in their office, on their equipment. In prior years here, companies only offered UNPAID internships. Fortunately some agency stepped in and said that no-pay internships weren't allowed any more. She only works part-time, so the company wouldn't have to pay any benefits. It's likely she's making minimum wage or thereabouts anyway. She agreed to work that way because she didn't think there was anything wrong with it, until we had a CPA come into our class on Visual Arts Business Procedures last week and talk about how that was wrong. The company wants to hire her full-time and she has been asking specifics about how much per hour, what benefits, what hours. They have been putting her off. My prediction is that they will not hire her, but will contact the school, looking for another intern as soon as she's gone. I hope I am wrong, I hope they do the right thing and hire her properly because she has talent.

My point is that companies are OK with fraud nowadays, as long as they can make their buck.

edit: and just to clarify, I have no clue as to whether this is what Veer is doing. I'm only stating that it wouldn't surprise me in the least, since it has been going on at other companies.

« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2012, 08:15 »
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I have just had a refund for 43,75$ (production for resale) one month after the sale was reported. What looks very fishy is the fact that the same image has sold at the same time of the refund for 0.25$ as subscription sale!

Do subscriptions allow production for resale? If not, then it isn't really fishy as a fraudulent user could claim the image had been destroyed and still be using it. More likely, they downloaded a sub to take a look at it and then applied for the reproduction license once they decided to use it.

« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2012, 02:21 »
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I now had my second refund at Veer this month. With the number of sales they have, that is really disturbing. Anyone ever heard an explanation from Veer about this?

« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2012, 05:00 »
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$2.10 refunded from March 27 this year, one month later.

« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2012, 05:23 »
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had my first refund, from March 22. Refunded April 20.

« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2012, 05:56 »
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I had a rush of refunds at Veer too, In total I think about 70-80$ worth over the last month in about three batches.

I tried to contact support via the online chat thing and as soon as the guy heard my problem he didn't want to know about it, told me I was registered in Australia and he wasn't in Australia and so couldn't help me...what a load of absolute crap.

« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2012, 09:05 »
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Also received 10 refunds for a total of $37.10.  What is worse is that these were all credit sales and most of the valid sales that remain are subscription sales that netted me on average less than $0.30 each. This is pathetic.  Thinking of closing my account there.  >:(

« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2012, 09:23 »
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I now had my second refund at Veer this month. With the number of sales they have, that is really disturbing. Anyone ever heard an explanation from Veer about this?

Read my post a few above yours - they say credit card fraud


 

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