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Agency Based Discussion => Sites that no longer exist => Veer => Topic started by: THP Creative on August 27, 2013, 22:15
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When I started doing this a few years back Veer quickly became one of my best earners. Although some months it took a dive, overall it was pretty consistent, and those $45ish EL's certainly helped raise the income.
I can't believe how much it has changed in the last 12 months. The poll on the right clearly reflects where it is at for me these days, well situated among the low earners. I know they introduced subs and that impacted the RPD hugely, but it also seems that sales have dropped off dramatically too - despite an increasing portfolio (2,200+ at the moment).
I have to wonder if others are experiencing the same? And if so, is there any future left for Veer?
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Veer has never been a big earner for me (struggling to reach my second payout) coupled with a ton of rejections "Although this image is technically sound we don't want/need it" (I'm paraphrasing I can't remember verbatim) I quit uploading there.
As far as future Veer goes, I don't have a crystal ball. It is apparent that the subscription model that they implemented a year or so ago hasn't really taken off...not for me at least. So it's anyone's guess what's going to happen.
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I can't disagree with anything you said Microstock Man. Up until this year I was getting a payout pretty much every month from Veer. It's been two months since I reached my last payout and in those two months I am less than HALFWAY to my next payout. Sales have completely evaporated at Veer.
I don't think it's just unique to you and me either. It's no coincidence that they recently changed their acceptance policy from 25-50/week to 500/week. They're going under.
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Veer is definitely one site that should have a lower payout limit. $100 is way too much. I made $54 in June and have only made $4 since. I won't be able to cash out until next Christmas if this keeps up! Where have their customers gone?
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I don't think veer has much of a future.
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That's a shame, because most of the art directors I know really like Veer. They appreciate the quality of the images there. Veer seems to be concentrating on promoting fonts now...I get font-related emails from them all the time.
It's always been a very low earner for me, because their upload process is laborious and reviews take forever, so I barely upload there.
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They certainly were doing better last year. I might have more sales this year, but the big ELs are few and far between and the .25 subs seem fairly common. Last month was pretty good there though for me.
The fact that they either can't be bothered or actually can't fix the ftp for uploading isn't a good sign though.
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not looking good there. I haven't uploaded for ages because of their broken upload system. I try the web based and get "unknown error" couldn't get ftp to work either.
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hmm, seems we are all in the same boat with Veer then.
Such a shame as I really liked them to begin with. Thanks for your thoughts everyone.
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I can't help thinking that my sales have been affected by the few thousand files they kindly deleted from my port...wonder if I'll ever see them again.
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They have made some bad decisions in the last year or so. Sales there are very inconsistent for me too and generally on the slide. . They are less contributor focused now, I think they gave up caring after the Alamy problems and now wont let us opt out of partner sites. When will sites learn that crowd sourcing content means they need to keep contributors happy to be successful?
Really strange rejections there and I also have found the site doesn't always work very well, technical issues when I try to view my portfolio there sometimes.
All in all not looking good for the future. Shame, they used to be very good, especially with contributor relations.
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I agree about the strange rejections. They recently rejected a small series of images that have gone on to be stellar best sellers everywhere else. I emailed to query their rejection and they told me they were now aiming for a more curated look to the collection though they didn't seem able to tell me what the curators were actually looking for. A curated collection is fine - rejecting obviously saleable microstock images, though, is a strange decision for a microstock site!
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I cannot say they are flying high here too...
2013 numbers (with 3300 pictures)
Sales: 80 | Gross Earnings: $164.04 USD | Views: 18987
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Hmm I just uploaded my 1st 10... I'm not crazy about no opt out for partners!
My Very Best :)
KimsCreativeHub.com
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Something positive. I had two ELs and an XLarge sale yesterday!
Veer isn't a consistent performer but they do come on strong now and then.
It's still my third best earner with an approval rating of 88%.
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To other micros they look pretty poor, for me they're getting worse every month. This is not a comforting I'm not alone :(
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I can't be bothered uploading to a site that removed a large chunk of my portfolio. If it returns, I might start uploading again but otherwise, they aren't worth my time.
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I can't be bothered uploading to a site that removed a large chunk of my portfolio. If it returns, I might start uploading again but otherwise, they aren't worth my time.
Couldn't agree more...
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My biggest issue with Veer is their controlled vocabulary (CV). I don't have any objections with the concept of a CV if it's done right (iStock's model is fine). Veer, however, doesn't allow the contributor to control the CV in any way. They take your keywords, change them to what they think they should be, and do not allow any editing after an image has been accepted. I can't tell you how many times I've had trouble finding my images on Veer because they have changed my keywords. This is what I attribute my low Veer earning to most. I personally don't think buyers are able to find my images the way they do on my other sites.
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I am glad I terminated my contributorship with them years ago, then because many here were starting to say good things about sales there, I re-applied and was accepted, but eventually never uploaded anything. One of the things I most like about agencies, even though I don't like or agree with their tactics, is respect of their contributors. SS, 123, Alamy and a couple of others do come in here with some thick skin and show a little respect by participating in our discussions. I've never seen anyone from Veer in here trying to constructively interact with contributors. FT is a great example, too. All that tells me is what we are saying about their sneaky, greedy ways must be true.
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If I remember correctly, representatives from Veer did come in and have a discussion when they were starting to add subscriptions. They responded and made changes, changing the subs payout to be a proportion of what was used instead of a flat rate. I thought that was very good of them and they are the only ones doing it. I've had some pretty decent subs downloads there, just not very often and it's dried up almost completely the past 6 weeks. I like the generally higher RPD received from Veer, just wish they had more sales, and I think you're right that their representatives have not been on here much recently.
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Yes, I seem to remember that Ryan from Veer came into MSG during the Alamy partnership mess.
I agree with the previous poster. I like the RPD from Veer - but sadly the number of downloads seems to be ever dwindling...
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http://www.veerchina.com/ (http://www.veerchina.com/) - have you seen this?
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I hadn't seen Veer China, but I thought I'd check prices for one of my images. Veer US
http://marketplace.veer.com/stock-photo/Boats-in-Boston-Harbor-4081038 (http://marketplace.veer.com/stock-photo/Boats-in-Boston-Harbor-4081038)
Veer China
http://www.veerchina.com/q/boston/harbor/tuku_2179128444.html (http://www.veerchina.com/q/boston/harbor/tuku_2179128444.html)
Although there's some sort of discount scheme they can use to get cheaper prices on the Chinese site, the list price for an XXL comes to $46.78 for the posted 285 Yuan - as opposed to $30 on the US site. I get $7 either way - so my 23% royalty on the US sale drops to just under 15% on the Chinese sale (forget the unlikely event anyone in China will buy an image of Boston Harbor!).
They're not the first agency to try and make a little extra for themselves this way, but it's still wrong.
And Veer never answered the questions from me and others about the partner compensation rates - I realize the above is perhaps a subsidiary not a partner:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/veer-marketplace/your-veer-portfolio-on-alamy/msg260005/#msg260005 (http://www.microstockgroup.com/veer-marketplace/your-veer-portfolio-on-alamy/msg260005/#msg260005)
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Well, lets hope they find some buyers in China because they don't have many in the rest of the world!
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Well, lets hope they find some buyers in China because they don't have many in the rest of the world!
Point taken - even 50% of f*@k all is still f*@k all!
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Well, lets hope they find some buyers in China because they don't have many in the rest of the world!
Point taken - even 50% of f*@k all is still f*@k all!
LOL! Great post JoAnn! I feel like getting that printed on a t-shirt ;D
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I wish I could take credit for it, but it's borrowed (probably many times over). I heard it from an Australian technology executive, Ian Diery (he was at Wang Labs when I worked there many moons ago) - his version had 40% in it :)
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I wish I could take credit for it, but it's borrowed (probably many times over). I heard it from an Australian technology executive, Ian Diery (he was at Wang Labs when I worked there many moons ago) - his version had 40% in it :)
Well, it's new to me. The saying, that is. The concept is well known, unfortunately ;)
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@Jo Ann... "I agree"
I always opt out of PP whenever possible and in some cases if they don't have that opt it can be a deal breaker, because I feel I'm getting cheated, because Its usually not clear where the $$ is coming from....
how much is our cut 50% 20% of what ?? ect, .... I don't like being a "partner in the dark"!
More transparency and inclusion please :)
My Very Best :)
KimsCreativeHub.com
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Veer... I'm not sure either what they are looking for... Lots of my vectors not accepted.
My Very Best :)
KimsCreativeHub.com
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Veer... I'm not sure either what they are looking for... Lots of my vectors not accepted.
My Very Best :)
KimsCreativeHub.com
I couldn't grasp their needs, either, so I closed my account. It wasted way to much of my time.
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Out of the 19 companies that I submit to they came in 11th position - I made a little over $200 from them thus accounting for about 3% of my overall income.