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« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2009, 16:49 »
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Well, I can certainly relate to that statement, seeings how I resigned from my job today with nothing really lined up. Bad business decision? You bet. Worth it to quit instead of walking around with a knot in my stomach all the time because I hate my job and the people managing it? You bet.



Congrats on your decision Cathy.   It was brave - getting rid of something that was NOT working so you will have room in your life for the right opportunity.

That's why I do micro - hated every other job I ever had.  Love this one (most of the time).

Sorry to hear people having bad experiences with Veer.  I haven't had any bad experience yet.  Some rejections - more than I thought necessary, but not so many to discourage me from uploading there.

Probably once the site opens and a consensus begins to form about sales volume there then we'll have a better idea whether it's worth uploading there.  For now I plan to continue chugging along submitting my limit every week.


« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2009, 17:01 »
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You do what you gotta do to stay sane, even if it's an otherwise poor business decision...

Well, I can certainly relate to that statement, seeings how I resigned from my job today with nothing really lined up. Bad business decision? You bet. Worth it to quit instead of walking around with a knot in my stomach all the time because I hate my job and the people managing it? You bet.


Good for you - no job or agency is worth sacrificing your sanity. You will probably accomplish a lot more since your energies won't be drained by the constant frustrations. I try to keep emotions out of my business decisions, but sometimes protecting your sanity IS the best  choice for both you AND your business.

Don't let Veer discourage you from the micros, you can keep trying to find success with those agencies that already have proven track records. There's a lot of trail-and-error in this business.

puravida

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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2009, 17:05 »
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for a site that's not even started walking, i am surprised to see some ppl already making judgement to quit .
sure the rejections , more than necessary  . but i  look at in the other way . the more picky the lesser the collection, the greater the chance of getting downloads.
see it this way, "hey , so much the better for those who stay !"

as for that "intelligent" person who you thinks Veer is for idiots and a big hype .
exccuuuusse us for living !
woo hoo ,  dude! don't stay up on accounts of us idiots .
we won't lose any sleep , neither will we be staying up waiting for you..
yuk!yuk! snort, grunt ! ...( no translation possible, just unintelligible ,incohorent  gibberish!)
 
as whatalife said, "don't contribute, if you don't like Veer".

« Last Edit: July 16, 2009, 17:28 by puravida »

« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2009, 17:32 »
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Apparently I'm not the only one with emotional problems...


for a site that's not even started walking, i am surprised to see some ppl already making judgement to quit .
sure the rejections , more than necessary  . but i  look at in the other way . the more picky the lesser the collection, the greater the chance of getting downloads.
see it this way, "hey , so much the better for those who stay !"

as for that "intelligent" person who you thinks Veer is for idiots and a big hype .
exccuuuusse us for living !
woo hoo ,  dude! don't stay up on accounts of us idiots .
we won't lose any sleep , neither will we be staying up waiting for you..
yuk!yuk! snort, grunt ! ...( no translation possible, just unintelligible ,incohorent  gibberish!)
 
as whatalife said, "don't contribute, if you don't like Veer".



puravida

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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2009, 18:18 »
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Apparently I'm not the only one with emotional problems...


rofl, the whole world's an asylum !
& i am  mad hatter !   ;D
dya know where Alice is?  :P
« Last Edit: July 16, 2009, 18:20 by puravida »

« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2009, 18:25 »
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dya know where Alice is?

getting small

« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2009, 18:28 »
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@pixelbytes

Congrats on your decision Cathy.

Thanks. I hope it wasn't a wrong one. I should have plenty of time to shoot photos, redo my website and fill out applications.

« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2009, 20:30 »
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My experience with VEER so far is they are EXTREMELY pickey!  They seem to have ONLY very specific images which they feel are suitable for stock.  Not something I consider a big deal, but it is frustrating because I haven't been able to build up my portfolio as quickly as I would have hoped.

In addition, they made me "Fix" one of my images for keywords - TWICE ~ then proceeded to reject it.  What a waste of time that was! Wouldn't it have been better to just reject it in the beginning?  The rejection was for "Pixel quality issue (noise, compression or resizing artifacts) " ~ something I'm getting on quite a few images.  I'm not believing it at all because the same images have been accepted to very particular sites whose reviewers I respect and trust more so than the ones from VEER.

I'm trying to keep a positive attitude and give VEER the benefit of the doubt though, because they are new and are striving to be different.

« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2009, 20:31 »
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cclapper, I too once quit a job with nothing else lined up.  It's a great feeling. And after doing it once you will always know that you can stand up and walk away if pushed too far.  People will sense that about you - not something rude or belligerent, just a bit of self respect that they realize they won't be able to compromise.




puravida

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« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2009, 21:42 »
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dya know where Alice is?
getting small

ah, there you are . changing size to get where you need to be. ... just as i thought, adaptable as ever. :D

 
@pixelbytes

Congrats on your decision Cathy.

Thanks. I hope it wasn't a wrong one. I should have plenty of time to shoot photos, redo my website and fill out applications.

cathy, i am sure you'll do well. you have a sense of humor, and you know not to take yourself too seriously.
the lighter the mind the higher they fly. enjoy !

« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2009, 21:54 »
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two batches mostly approved, then an almost an entire batch rejected. sounds like a new reviewer or a reviewer having a bad day, like what happens to me every site from time to time. Personally I'd just upload my next batch and see how that went and then if positive reupload the rejected ones, at least that way you'd know.

got my payout yesterday, 2nd one from them.  I'd like to see what had sold, but oh well, I'm not complaining when they earnt more for me than crestock or any of the smaller sites last month and they only have about half my port transferred over from snap. I'll wait a bit longer for things to settle before uploading :)

« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2009, 02:25 »
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So far veer reviews have been OK.  I had a few batches with lots of rejections but that might be a strict reviewer.  Most of the sites seem to have at least one of those.  I only upload small batches, so it isn't too painful if I get the reviewer who has fallen asleep on the reject button.

« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2009, 02:52 »
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Sounds like Atilla has got a job at Veer.   :o

« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2009, 04:39 »
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I just had a large batch of 70 reviewed. I had great hopes since all my 10 application photos were accepted without any problem. The result is that 35 were rejected as "non suitable for stock". I am not finicky about rejections at all, if the shot is technically borderline, if it falls beyond the type of collection the site wants to build, or if it's borderline commercial.

But my problem with Veer's rejections is the total inconsistency. I tried to compare the rejected vs the accepted and there is no line to draw. I would have preferred if they had rejected the technically borderline ones, low sellers at other sites, or certain types of content consistently. Then it would have been clear what they want.

Now, it's not. They reject - and accept - isolated studio business shots, they reject - and accept - lifestyle and in situation, they reject - and accept landscapes and nature. It just makes no sense to see what they accept and reject from the same shoot, except they rejected good sellers at other sites (included iStock) and consistently accepted the boring or technically borderline ones.

My conclusion is that they employed Atilla and his entire family as reviewers, and/or that the reviewers are totally uneducated or clueless right now. Hopefully that will get better later. That will teach me a lesson: don't upload large batches, just small and varied ones of 10. If you fall on Atilla, at least the rest of a particular shoot isn't ruined.

For the moment, I'll just stop uploading. Their workflow is very slow if you want to do it seriously (going through the suggested keywords) - it took me a full day to upload and submit 100 photos. iStock's workflow is much faster, and at least I feel comfortable with iStock's rejects. Veer's acceptance and rejects are erratic for the moment. So better put that time in iStock for the moment again.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2009, 04:47 by cevapcici »

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« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2009, 09:45 »
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as for that "intelligent" person who you thinks Veer is for idiots and a big hype .
exccuuuusse us for living !
woo hoo ,  dude! don't stay up on accounts of us idiots .
we won't lose any sleep , neither will we be staying up waiting for you..
yuk!yuk! snort, grunt ! ...( no translation possible, just unintelligible ,incohorent  gibberish!)
 
as whatalife said, "don't contribute, if you don't like Veer".


I do like Veer and I do contribute to them as I did contribute to SV! But I have enough information to judge now. There will be no new Fotolia over night not even close to it. There is no need to believe me now just watch the threads and earning reports in autumn  ;).

« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2009, 12:53 »
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You do what you gotta do to stay sane, even if it's an otherwise poor business decision...

Well, I can certainly relate to that statement, seeings how I resigned from my job today with nothing really lined up. Bad business decision? You bet. Worth it to quit instead of walking around with a knot in my stomach all the time because I hate my job and the people managing it? You bet.


Yikes - scary stuff, but I bet you feel that a weight has been lifted off your shoulders!

Re: VMP. I've had regular monthly payments for the last few months from them. A few days ago I received $96 for June, which considering that they haven't officially launched is a good sign for the future. I still find the rejections a little frustrating, but I have to respect Brian and his team thus far as the dollar speaks volumes. It's a shame you are deciding to withdraw your portfolio, I think many of us have a lot to gain by partnering with this site, especially as they develop there customer base over the next six months. For me at least VFM is far from being a waste of time, good luck to them and to those who decide not to take the leap of faith.

« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2009, 14:11 »
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I don't know if I am wasting my time or not until they prove one way or the other.

My approval rate is 75% which does not look too bad. However if you take consideration that most of the images were proven winners with other major sites, the approval standard is still rather strict. I am most frustrated by the keyword rejections because they are not telling me which keywords they don't like.

If they launch it on time and I see decent sales, I will be more motivated to upload more. Now I am just uploading when I have time. If I see sales, I will make the time.

« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2009, 14:18 »
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I have had a positive experience with Veer so far.  Had my first payout sent yesterday and that is the most important factor to me.  They are doing much better than SV ever did and it is still far too early to judge them.  I should probably keep quiet, as when everyone uploads  sales might get diluted but I would like to see them do well.

My only complaint is the watermark.  Please give our images better protection.  SV had a much better watermark.

This must have been answered 1000 times, but where do I see whats going on in my account?    Or dont I yet?   

« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2009, 14:59 »
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It's a shame you are deciding to withdraw your portfolio, I think many of us have a lot to gain by partnering with this site, especially as they develop there customer base over the next six months. For me at least VFM is far from being a waste of time, good luck to them and to those who decide not to take the leap of faith.

I just have no tolerance for mass rejections, especially from a new and unproven site. If contributors refused to tolerate that sort of treatment, Veer would be forced to adjust. As it is, they don't seem all that concerned about wasting contributors time. Call it a personality clash, but I have no desire whatsoever to do business with Veer. Usually new sites go out of their way to encourage contributors, and then as they get more successful, they tend to get less user friendly. Eventually, you start seeing rejections increase as their libraries get larger. Veer is starting out with mass rejections, and IMO it can only get worse from here - count me out.

« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2009, 15:17 »
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I have had a positive experience with Veer so far.  Had my first payout sent yesterday and that is the most important factor to me.  They are doing much better than SV ever did and it is still far too early to judge them.  I should probably keep quiet, as when everyone uploads  sales might get diluted but I would like to see them do well.

My only complaint is the watermark.  Please give our images better protection.  SV had a much better watermark.

This must have been answered 1000 times, but where do I see whats going on in my account?    Or dont I yet?   
You don't yet.  I only know I have sold something there because they have sent money to my paypal account.

« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2009, 15:25 »
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It's a shame you are deciding to withdraw your portfolio, I think many of us have a lot to gain by partnering with this site, especially as they develop there customer base over the next six months. For me at least VFM is far from being a waste of time, good luck to them and to those who decide not to take the leap of faith.

I just have no tolerance for mass rejections, especially from a new and unproven site. If contributors refused to tolerate that sort of treatment, Veer would be forced to adjust. As it is, they don't seem all that concerned about wasting contributors time. Call it a personality clash, but I have no desire whatsoever to do business with Veer. Usually new sites go out of their way to encourage contributors, and then as they get more successful, they tend to get less user friendly. Eventually, you start seeing rejections increase as their libraries get larger. Veer is starting out with mass rejections, and IMO it can only get worse from here - count me out.

How dare they reject your files, what do they know, you'll be better off with out them. That will teach them to waste your time.

« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2009, 18:13 »
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I agree it seems to be too variable, one batch almost all accepted then a whole batch rejected for not suitable for stock. Seems a bit like a lucky dip to me.

Better than rejecting everything I suppose.

« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2009, 19:12 »
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@ stockastic
cclapper, I too once quit a job with nothing else lined up.  It's a great feeling. And after doing it once you will always know that you can stand up and walk away if pushed too far.  People will sense that about you - not something rude or belligerent, just a bit of self respect that they realize they won't be able to compromise.


That's a nice thing to say, stockastic. I appreciate it. And thanks, too, puravida for the encouragement. I'm a hero to some of my co-workers, but when I turn around, there's never anyone behind me.  :-\ It's very lonely being brave.

Regarding the erratic rejections...I am feeling the same thing. I am considering stopping the uploads until things settle down. Every new site has gone through these problems, I should know by now. You just have to give them time to work the problems out. It shouldn't be that way, but sadly, it is.

« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2009, 20:50 »
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how funny...did you have a problem to call my name, you should.
I'm smart. Only a little bit oversized in communication abilities. But in english, you have a good chance to engage me. You will loose, but...it will last longer because im not natural speaker in english.

And the problem is, you're not interested in image business, you're only interested in profiling yourself at microstockgroup. You can't win because....i would sell images more than you, a lot more, even if you offend me in a hunderet of years. And i would sell more then you, for shure.

Whats you answer infant?

bittersweet

« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2009, 21:17 »
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how funny...did you have a problem to call my name, you should.

Well it gets more challenging when you can't decide what it is.


 

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