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« on: January 21, 2011, 03:01 »
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I had never tried Veer and decided to put up some images. I put up 260 , 230 got in. It took some long I lost interest in putting up more of my portfolio. I put up ok sellers but the at Veer next to no views and no sales. Is the customer base low? DO new contributors' images get put low in best match to a slow death?


« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2011, 03:44 »
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Sales have been slow for me at Veer, and since Christmas have stopped completely. I hope others are doing better.

« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2011, 03:51 »
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number 3 with me last december (1200+ pictures online) but slow this month:(

« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2011, 03:59 »
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It seems slow for most. I was wondering if it is even slower for new contributors. At SS your new files get seen and have a chance to succeed . Veer they seem to be lost until review and then almost lost after that.

« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2011, 04:24 »
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Two ELs and a couple of regular vector downloads all in January has taken me over the payout level for the first time.
I'm going to upload to them more frequently, I believe they stand a chance

ETA: Just checked and noticed another vector sale since yesterday - so far that's eight sales this month of which two are ELs, and that's with 37 images online. Prior to January I didn't even get one sale a month, so either they are really starting to pick up or this is my lucky month.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2011, 04:37 by ThomasAmby »

« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2011, 04:27 »
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definitely slow over there for me.

Shutterstock model encourages people to look at the latest uploaded to fill their all they can eat formula.
I'm sure some people just download their daily quota from what they like when browsing with nothing particular in mind.

My photo sales at veer show no relation to the age of the photographs

rubyroo

« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2011, 04:38 »
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I get fairly regular sales there, but nothing huge yet.

It seems their backlog from the 'Dash for Cash' contributor drive is all caught up now, and we're back to around 7-10 day review times.

It may be that they're assessing where they are with freshly expanded collection before starting a new marketing drive.  I'm sure Brian will drop in and tell us shortly... he's usually quick to respond to any Veer discussions.

« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2011, 04:45 »
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One thing that bothers me though is that I can never find the information I want to find...

"Dashboard", "Workspace", "Member page" and new menus popping up all the time - "The Skinny" ? "The Fat" ? "Ideas Home" ? "Manage Trash" ? What trash ? "Portfolios" ? Not my portfolio obviously. It seems you really need to sit down for a while and teach yourself to navigate through the labyrinth

What happened to the good old "Earnings", "Upload" and "Request payment" ?

lisafx

« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2011, 13:39 »
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I did okay there over a year ago when I was first on the site.  Not great, but some regular sales.  I had quit and removed my port when I thought I was going exclusive at IS (LOL!). 

I rejoined a few months ago and have managed to get just over 500 on the site.  So far only 5 sales, so it is very slow for me.  I don't know if the site sales are down or if I lost search position when I quit and this is just what it's like starting from scratch. 

I am continuing to upload there, despite slow sales, in hopes that once I finally get a significant portion of my images on the site my sales may improve.  The fact that it is no longer Veer Marketplace, and the micro images are mixed in with the main collection, gives me some optimism. 

« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2011, 13:44 »
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very few sales this month but a good 5.25$.. last month had my first EL also.. slow reviews etc but I guess they are worth

lagereek

« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2011, 14:06 »
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Well the way things are going with many of the others, I would stick with them, I believe Corbis is a backer so at least they shouldnt have any finance problems.
Besides, I do like their upload system, nice and easy.

jbarber873

« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2011, 14:44 »
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  Veer has slowly picked up for me. I will say that when they sell something, it's for a pretty good price. Also, some big sales every week or so make the bottom line not bad. They are close to beating FT for me ( which may say more about FT becoming a "subs only sales site").

« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2011, 14:57 »
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It does not feel like there is a second largest stock company behind them. After couple years of development (SnapVillage, Veer Marketplace) Corbis is is not in Top Tier. Maybe growth period is over and now market will consolidate and eliminate weakest players.

Xalanx

« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2011, 15:57 »
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  Veer has slowly picked up for me. I will say that when they sell something, it's for a pretty good price. Also, some big sales every week or so make the bottom line not bad. They are close to beating FT for me ( which may say more about FT becoming a "subs only sales site").

They're rather more midstock than microstock. Selling seldom, but bigger cash. I just got my latest payout with them, about 180$. I wish the payout limit would be at 50$, though.

« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2011, 20:14 »
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I pulled my portfolio quite awhile ago.  I had about 2,000 images and dint make a freakin dime in 1 year.  Waste of time.

« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2011, 21:17 »
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Do they still have mass rejections and inconsistent  reviews (by that I mean one batch is mostly acceptance, another batch of similar images is mostly rejections). That was why I pulled my portfolio in the beginning, and there's no point in re-applying if if the review process hasn't been improved.

lisafx

« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2011, 21:21 »
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Do they still have mass rejections and inconsistent  reviews (by that I mean one batch is mostly acceptance, another batch of similar images is mostly rejections). That was why I pulled my portfolio in the beginning, and there's no point in re-applying if if the review process hasn't been improved.

That was one of my big issues with them too, Allsa, but that seems to have been resolved.  One way I resolved it was to group similars and upload them together, that way they can pick and choose what they want and what they don't want.  In 500 submissions so far, I haven't had any rejections this time around.  So I would say the reviews are quite fair and consistent :D

« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2011, 21:25 »
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It seems you really need to sit down for a while and teach yourself to navigate through the labyrinth

Oh boy, that place really is a maze. I never stay there long, navigating there gives me a headache. Upload, submit and get out.
If the buyers' end is also so complicated they need to simplify things if they want to be a major player in microstock.

It seems that most of their buyers are from the US. This is not good for me, most of my buyers on SS are from Europe.

« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2011, 22:00 »
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Do they still have mass rejections and inconsistent  reviews (by that I mean one batch is mostly acceptance, another batch of similar images is mostly rejections). That was why I pulled my portfolio in the beginning, and there's no point in re-applying if if the review process hasn't been improved.

That was one of my big issues with them too, Allsa, but that seems to have been resolved.  One way I resolved it was to group similars and upload them together, that way they can pick and choose what they want and what they don't want.  In 500 submissions so far, I haven't had any rejections this time around.  So I would say the reviews are quite fair and consistent :D

Thanks, Lisa, I'll re-apply and see how it goes.

lagereek

« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2011, 17:33 »
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Well so far Im in two minds about it. When I join a new site I always test their reviewing/editing skills, uploading a couple of files with thousands of DLs, at other places, if they are approved, then I know that at least they can spot a commercial seller, if rejected then I know they cant and all the rest will fall flat.

In this case both files came back with the "improper editing" excuse?  I thought to myself, well if they cant spot two files with more then 5000, DLs to its credits, blimey! then its really skating on thin ice.

I say this much for the big four,  they CAN spot potential sellers and maybe thats why they are the big four.

They might be good for generic stuff, who knows?
« Last Edit: February 10, 2011, 17:37 by lagereek »

microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2011, 18:05 »
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One thing that bothers me though is that I can never find the information I want to find...

"Dashboard", "Workspace", "Member page" and new menus popping up all the time - "The Skinny" ? "The Fat" ? "Ideas Home" ? "Manage Trash" ? What trash ? "Portfolios" ? Not my portfolio obviously. It seems you really need to sit down for a while and teach yourself to navigate through the labyrinth

What happened to the good old "Earnings", "Upload" and "Request payment" ?

The skinny, the fat and other similar supposedly funny terms are horrible indeed:
it reminds me of another site - (un)lucky oliver - which didn't end very well;

luckily, similarities end here and I have hopes for veer; sales - although not many - are constant, I wouldn't abandon them
« Last Edit: February 10, 2011, 18:07 by microstockphoto.co.uk »

« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2011, 15:03 »
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I started uploading to Veer in October.  Since then, I've made about $1500 from microstock, and exactly $0 from Veer.  It's gotten to the point where I don't check my stats anymore.

« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2011, 15:29 »
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such a headache to navigate that site, I kin dof gave up on them after the highly offensive bait and switch called dash for cash!  They ran out of money for hte dash for cash program halfway through and just started rejecting about half the stuff, If you got in in the beginning 90% was getting accepted if you got in after they ran out of money you got about 50% or more rejection, I spent so many hours getting stuff ready for veer only to have most of that time be wasted, people have since been uploading the rejected dash for cash files only to have them all accepted. I really felt scammed, they knew they could get those images for free after the promotion as most people just re-uploaded them.

« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2011, 16:08 »
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One thing that bothers me though is that I can never find the information I want to find...

"Dashboard", "Workspace", "Member page" and new menus popping up all the time - "The Skinny" ? "The Fat" ? "Ideas Home" ? "Manage Trash" ? What trash ? "Portfolios" ? Not my portfolio obviously. It seems you really need to sit down for a while and teach yourself to navigate through the labyrinth

What happened to the good old "Earnings", "Upload" and "Request payment" ?

:)  +1

Its a mess...

« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2011, 16:24 »
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oops, I take it back.   Just sold a 3d illustration 4 times to the same buyer.  1 standard + 3 extended for a total of $95!!    If youre not sure wich license to buy, why not get em all...:)

« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2011, 16:46 »
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*snip* They ran out of money for hte dash for cash program halfway through and just started rejecting about half the stuff, If you got in in the beginning 90% was getting accepted if you got in after they ran out of money you got about 50% or more rejection, I spent so many hours getting stuff ready for veer only to have most of that time be wasted, people have since been uploading the rejected dash for cash files only to have them all accepted. I really felt scammed, they knew they could get those images for free after the promotion as most people just re-uploaded them.
With all respect, i dont believe thats true.
Apart from 2 exceptions i didnt have anything rejected with the DFC program, and mine were all inspected pretty late in the game...reading the threads about it back then the majority of submitters seemed pretty satisfied with the acception rate. They also payed prompt and correct as promised.

« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2011, 17:46 »
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Not true...they did not pay prompt they didn't even have images reviewed until over a month later than they initially promised in their advertisement, with the excuse that they got more uploads then they expected, so rather than hire more reviewers to meet their advertised deadline they just decided to go back on their word and make everyone wait for an extra month to get paid. I know this is old news and most people simply forget these things but for some reason when a company says they are going to do something and then doesn't it always sticks in my mind as a big red flag of the way they do business, I knew from day one when they did the automatic file transfers from the other site in the beginning and screwed up the descriptions and keywords and said they would fix them all within the month, to this day I have files with no descriptions and many keywords never transferred over. A year later they have not been fixed. There is still no way to go back and edit once things are uploaded (standard at every other site) the ability to go back and edit is a necessity if those errors are ever to be corrected, I am not earning any sales on the images with messed up keywords. I do really wish they get it together I want to see the site succeed as there is a lot of potential there, but so many things need to be fixed....if the buyer side is as hard to navigate as the contributor side that explains why they are all the way down at number seven in earnings ratings on the right. that is an average of only $10 a month I believe form the way the polls are done here. 

« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2011, 18:34 »
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We clearly had different experiences so lets agree to disagree :)
Veer has always been very correct with me, in their acceptances, swift helpdesk communications and good communication here, in their payments etc etc..
Maybe i just got lucky but i was payed when they promised they'd pay... didnt have to wait the extra month (but you're right, i know others did) and also didnt have to go through the transfer from another site so maybe that saved me a lot of trouble too.
If now they just could provide that opt-out for the partner program, i'd hate having to let them go because of it.

« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2011, 19:53 »
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Sure Veer had some issues with the DFC - it took longer than they said it would for reviews - it took 2 extra months for me to get paid because I was late in getting all the images reviewed and then there was a paypal issue. Still, they fixed it and I did get paid. I am satisfied w/ the acceptance ratio - it was similar to other sites. Sure I'd love to see sales go up more, and I have a few messed up keywords I'd have fixed if I could, but all in all I have no major complaints, and the DFC gives them a pretty big cushion in my mind to get their sales up to full speed.

« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2011, 02:59 »
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I had never tried Veer and decided to put up some images. I put up 260 , 230 got in. It took some long I lost interest in putting up more of my portfolio. I put up ok sellers but the at Veer next to no views and no sales. Is the customer base low? DO new contributors' images get put low in best match to a slow death?


If you have no views at all, maybe you have the same problem I had, see here:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/veer-marketplace/1st-10-rejected-at-veer/msg140132/#msg140132

« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2011, 11:54 »
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are accpetances times long at Veer?  (at least at the moment).  I've been waiting 2 weeks for my first 10 images and application to be reviewed so not sure if that is long or not.  But once I'm in can I expect this long before images are reviewed and added to my port as well?

lisafx

« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2011, 12:02 »
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Acceptance times were pretty long for awhile.  After initial approval my next batches took over a month to be approved.  Approval time seems to be down to 1-2 weeks now, though.  But with the 50/week limit, there is no getting your portfolio on there fast. 

Good news is that with 650 images now, I am starting to see some sales beginning to trickle in. 

Still kicking myself for having over 1k accepted images removed when I was planning to go exclusive at Istock. 

« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2011, 12:19 »
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I'm fairly excited about Veer because they actually seem to have a different client base. One that doesn't mind spending money and buying extended licenses. Everybody loves those buyers.  ;D That, and the Dash for Cash was pretty nice.

I was disappointed in their recent shift in vector upload policy and making raster versions though. I had plans of uploading a lot more, but they really put a halt to that because I have to reformat all my jpegs. Hopefully, they can fix it, but I've gone back to wait and see mode in the meantime.

« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2011, 12:27 »
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I'm fairly excited about Veer because they actually seem to have a different client base. One that doesn't mind spending money and buying extended licenses. Everybody loves those buyers.  ;D That, and the Dash for Cash was pretty nice.

I was disappointed in their recent shift in vector upload policy and making raster versions though. I had plans of uploading a lot more, but they really put a halt to that because I have to reformat all my jpegs. Hopefully, they can fix it, but I've gone back to wait and see mode in the meantime.

I would agree with that. I haven't had many sales, but there were bigger ones (ELs) when I did have some. I haven't uploaded my whole port yet (they rejected ALL of my major sellers on the other sites because they wanted unique) so I think I have around 400 or so up.

« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2011, 15:35 »
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it got a huge tax 30% on some countries...for US sales.

So for Dash for Cash, i got 30% gone..and it seems the major customers are US..so i got almost 99% sales are US sales..

it is like whenever i make $100, i only got $70.. too bad.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2011, 15:50 »
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it got a huge tax 30% on some countries...for US sales.

So for Dash for Cash, i got 30% gone..and it seems the major customers are US..so i got almost 99% sales are US sales..

it is like whenever i make $100, i only got $70.. too bad.

It's isn't gone forever.  Don't you get most of it returned when you file your taxes?

« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2011, 15:55 »
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i thought my country had no tax-treaty with US..so i had to lose that 30%?
do i have a way to get it back?

the tax deduction is on almost every agency based on US..but on other site, my US sales are not that big percentage..

it got a huge tax 30% on some countries...for US sales.

So for Dash for Cash, i got 30% gone..and it seems the major customers are US..so i got almost 99% sales are US sales..

it is like whenever i make $100, i only got $70.. too bad.

It's isn't gone forever.  Don't you get most of it returned when you file your taxes?

« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2011, 16:47 »
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it got a huge tax 30% on some countries...for US sales.

So for Dash for Cash, i got 30% gone..and it seems the major customers are US..so i got almost 99% sales are US sales..

it is like whenever i make $100, i only got $70.. too bad.

I dont think I understand what this means, but if I'm in the US does it matter to me?

« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2011, 17:23 »
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it got a huge tax 30% on some countries...for US sales.

So for Dash for Cash, i got 30% gone..and it seems the major customers are US..so i got almost 99% sales are US sales..

it is like whenever i make $100, i only got $70.. too bad.

I dont think I understand what this means, but if I'm in the US does it matter to me?

No.

« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2011, 14:55 »
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it got a huge tax 30% on some countries...for US sales.

So for Dash for Cash, i got 30% gone..and it seems the major customers are US..so i got almost 99% sales are US sales..

it is like whenever i make $100, i only got $70.. too bad.

I dont think I understand what this means, but if I'm in the US does it matter to me?

No.

cool thanks.

« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2011, 16:10 »
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I have every month sales there. January was very good because of an EL.

« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2011, 08:06 »
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Veer has been a total waste of my time.  Review times are ridiculously slow, and my images, which have done well on other sites, have almost no views and only a few downloads.  Unless they make some changes, I am done with them.

microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2011, 10:02 »
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be patient... yes, review times are ridiculouly slow, and sales take time to start, but after a while there are sales... you can't say the same for many other new sites

« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2011, 19:13 »
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Veer has excellent corporate backing and the makings of a quality agency; i do not like their review times but I believe they will become a good seller, maybe not top two but certainly top 6

« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2011, 04:24 »
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Absolutely not lost effort. Although sales are seen seldom, if they appear, however, it is worth it - they appear in batches and ELs are not rare among them.

lagereek

« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2011, 04:38 »
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Veer is far too time wasting for me, I havent got the time to wate a month for reviewing, etc, rather concentrating on agencies that get their ass moving. It all strikes me as a one man band, some poor guy sitting under a lampshade totally swamped in uploads.

« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2011, 04:48 »
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I am satisfied with Veer they end up number 4 sometime number 3 in term of earnings. Return per download is generally the highest I get with quite a lot of EL

« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2011, 01:12 »
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I like Veer.  So far the sell the fewest shots, but for the highest price.  I never had great expectations, but I am pleased, and my expectations are rising.


 

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