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« on: July 02, 2009, 11:59 »
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My first batch after the initial approval has been reviewed. A few images were rejected for inappropriate keywords. But I have no clue which keywords are inappropriate. Actually, in most instances, I just cut and pasted keywords provided by Snapvillage's reviewers.

I remember someone suggested earlier that Veer point out the offending keywords (as Istock does) so we can remove them. Is it possible? Brian, do you have any suggestions? Thanks.

 


Milinz

« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2009, 15:37 »
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It is the same with some of my images - it is more with 'not relevant' keywords.

I'd like to see what keywords are 'not relevant' so I can delete them or change to more relevant.

Thanks!

« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2009, 16:15 »
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You are probably right, they were called "not relevant" keywords. I can't remember the exact phrase they use.

Also some of the images with "not relevant" keywords were sent to the "New" folder, while others were just rejected. Does it mean that the ones not in the "New" folder cannot be re-submitted? Or can I guess and delete the "not relevant" keywords and submit again?

A reply from Veer staff will be appreciated.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2009, 16:31 by Freedom »

« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2009, 11:26 »
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I had a couple images sent to soft rejection due to this. From my understanding you should only use DIRECTLY RELEVANT keywords. I omitted those IN-direct relevant ones and they were subsequently approved.
ok, my example: a still life of flowers and beverage.
irrelevant , from my understanding, were words like - garden, gardening, summer,
warm, zen, meditation. keywords that were allowed elsewhere with the Big 6; confer the word zen, meditation in any of the Big 6 to see what I mean.

Given this explanation, I would like to reiterate that I am very pleased with Veers,
their culture and their review. In fact, one rejection latest, the reviewer suggested to me to erase off a part of my isolated image , to perharps make it more sellable and more impact. I get this to be helpful, as most rejections from the Big 6 don't even bother suggesting anything other than the can responses.

Big time happy with Veers this one. Now, when I see sales and regular download, I will cheers louder.

« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2009, 14:31 »
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I had a couple images sent to soft rejection due to this. From my understanding you should only use DIRECTLY RELEVANT keywords. I omitted those IN-direct relevant ones and they were subsequently approved.
ok, my example: a still life of flowers and beverage.
irrelevant , from my understanding, were words like - garden, gardening, summer,
warm, zen, meditation. keywords that were allowed elsewhere with the Big 6; confer the word zen, meditation in any of the Big 6 to see what I mean.

Given this explanation, I would like to reiterate that I am very pleased with Veers,
their culture and their review. In fact, one rejection latest, the reviewer suggested to me to erase off a part of my isolated image , to perharps make it more sellable and more impact. I get this to be helpful, as most rejections from the Big 6 don't even bother suggesting anything other than the can responses.

Big time happy with Veers this one. Now, when I see sales and regular download, I will cheers louder.


Hi All -

Perseus is spot on.

We require that keywords be relevant to the image - and not derived from tangential connections between the terms themselves.
Relevant keywords should always tie back to the primary subject, important image attributes (such as a repeated dominant color) or clearly represented concepts. It's not necessary (or helpful) to keyword unimportant tertiary details (such as items/colors/actions that are incidental or occur in the background of the frame).

While keywording (especially when working on a large batch)  it's very easy to start making connections between the terms themselves - and this can lead to terms that are only tangentially related to the image. If you find that a term only makes sense on your image if you have to craft a story about the image - that term may not be the best fit from a buyers perspective (they may not get the story that connects the terms to the image).  ;)

This is especially true with conceptual terms - like the example of "zen" in Perseus' image. A customer searching on "zen" or "meditation" is not likely to find a still life of flowers and a beverage relevant.

One obvious way to consider a term if you get stuck (and it's likely many of you do this already)  --- consider the term from a image buyers perspective: if you searched on a term, would the image make sense if it appeared in the first few pages of results?  Remember that most image buyers are busy - they are often working under deadlines and need to find suitable images for a project quickly. The more we can do to ensure that they are getting search results that are helpful and relevant - the more likely they are to keep using the site and hopefully make a purchase.

One note of caution: Some popular keyword tools/generators available on the web are built around thesaurus style engines - and while these tools can be helpful to generate lots of keywords quickly - these long lists of terms may not be best for your image.

Good keywording can be a challenge. It is both an art and science. But we've got your back - we've got an amazing CV (controlled vocabulary) that helps flesh out your images with lots of broader terms, synonyms and spelling variants. We've also got a superstar team of keywording experts at Veer that will help get you up to speed on our keywording standards. We're working on ways that you can get to know them more in the future.

Having said all that - I agree that finding ways to more clearly indicate which terms are problematic will help everyone get up to speed on our standards. For now - our editors will try to include more specifics in the rejection reason comment field whenever possible. Long-term - we'll look at features or tools to accomplish this.

This is just a start - but for more specifics - check our Keywording FAQ:
http://ideas.veer.com/group/marketplace/discussions/89


Best,

- Brian
« Last Edit: July 03, 2009, 14:35 by Brian O'Shea »

« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2009, 15:16 »
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Brian, thank you very much for the reply. It is encouraging to hear that the editors will be more specific with the "not relevant" keywords in the future.

Sorry I still wish to hear the answer to the second question I have. Some images which were rejected for "not relevant" keywords were sent to the rejection folder, while others were sent to the New or "Need Work" folder. Do you think I should resubmit those in the rejection folder or not?

Milinz

« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2009, 05:26 »
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Thanks Brian!

I find that your response with clearing up what terms are not relevant very helpful. Also, with that stance I am sure we all will improve keywording in some time.

As far I am concerned, Veer review is one of fairest review processes I expirienced!


 

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