I see that Veer Marketplace is requiring the model's birth date and age to be on the model releases.  No other micro requires this, so as a result I do not have it on any of my releases.

I am not sure why this requirement is necessary.  For my minor models I have parental consent on the releases, and for the adults, beyond general age range for categorizing purposes,  I don't see how their exact birth date is necessary. 

Lisa,

Birth date is required on the IS MR __ and has been for as long as I can remember.

I just checked out all the agreements, royalty structure, and submission requirements.  It mostly looks really good to me.  This is the first new entry into the micro arena that I have been enthusiastic about.

There is a significant fly in the ointment for me though.  I see that Veer Marketplace is requiring the model's birth date and age to be on the model releases.  No other micro requires this, so as a result I do not have it on any of my releases.

I am not sure why this requirement is necessary.  For my minor models I have parental consent on the releases, and for the adults, beyond general age range for categorizing purposes,  I don't see how their exact birth date is necessary. 

To go back over 5 years and 4500+ lifestyle images of people and track down around seventy models to have them sign new releases is not a realistic option.

Unless you can accept the same releases that everyone else has accepted, without birth date or exact age, I won't be able to submit the majority of my quality work to Veer Marketplace.

I imagine a lot of other contributors will be in the same boat.

Same problem here with the model releases. I'm not going to track down all my models from the past 5 years to have them sign a new release....

Patrick H.

Great. Thank you for a quick response! and thank you Lisa for bringing this up.

I agree with Lisa. Exact birth date is no way relevant for a model release form. Some models might consider it as an invasion of privacy too, and rightfully so.

i'll third that , Aaron. i was just about to say. I just finished discussing this to one of my friends who wanted to model for me, and she shied off the idea with a big "WHY?, forget it then!".
this could be difficult for us.

i would say, the age of a minor could be relevant , in order to necessitate the signature of  a parent.
but the birthdate are quite taboo, actually. even for contributors, esp, when records are prone to hacking.

please check with Brian and those who make the rules to see if you can get this idea waived.

Quote from: Perseus on May 11, 2009, 17:41

i'll third that , Aaron. i was just about to say. I just finished discussing this to one of my friends who wanted to model for me, and she shied off the idea with a big "WHY?, forget it then!".
this could be difficult for us.

i would say, the age of a minor could be relevant , in order to necessitate the signature of  a parent.
but the birthdate are quite taboo, actually. even for contributors, esp, when records are prone to hacking.

please check with Brian and those who make the rules to see if you can get this idea waived.

Not to mention I photograph a lot of middle-agers and seniors and they are pretty tight lipped about their ages

No kidding!!!  once in French class many years ago, someone asked the teacher her age and she glared, "Monsieur, you know it's not polite to ask a lady her age once she survives 35 ?"

Furthermore, some people don't look their age, especially certain race groups.
I would think better for a broad category such as:
child / infant
youth
adult
senior
in the sense of what the model is portraying, rather than her/his actual age,
 as i've shot some models who easily look a 35 years and then in the next session a 17 year old with the help of a makeover artist.
thus, asking those models actual age would be quite misleading for the buyer's purpose in the search of those images.

Like Lisa, this is the first micro offering I've been excited about in quite some time, and really look forward to being a part of Veer.

Same here.

Veer will continue to include the requirement for the model's birth date on the Veer model release and we strongly prefer model releases to include the model's age, however, we will accept third party model releases (ones from other companies) that don't have the model's birth date or age provide that it states "Model represents that they are age 18 or older".

We need to make sure that the model who signs the release was an adult at the time they signed, otherwise the guardian would need to be signing on behalf of the model.

And of course, providing accurate ages in your metadata is also much appreciated.

Let us know if you have any questions.

Aaron

I think in some cases, eg. lisafx's models, there is no doubt they are 18 years or older, it should be unnecessary to ask the models' age or stipulate it in the metadata.  How many seniors would you be able to ask how old are you exactly, ma'am?
Also, the metadata is to give an idea of what age group the model portrays? It would again be misleading if not redundant to say 36 years, when your model is portraying a younger person. It's not unusual for (a) certain model(s)  to be able to look younger/ older by doing a proper makeover.

I think it should only be specific if the model is a child or very young.

Clarification on the model release birth date question.

Veer will continue to include the requirement for the model's birth date on the Veer model release and we strongly prefer model releases to include the model's age, however, we will accept third party model releases (ones from other companies) that don't have the model's birth date or age provide that it states "Model represents that they are age 18 or older".

We need to make sure that the model who signs the release was an adult at the time they signed, otherwise the guardian would need to be signing on behalf of the model.

And of course, providing accurate ages in your metadata is also much appreciated.

Let us know if you have any questions.

Aaron

Aaron, thanks for the clarification on the model releases.  I am attempting to get new releases from those I can. 

For those of children I have their parent's signatures on them.  I assume birth date is unnecessary since their parents have already signed for them? 

yes there are lots of snapvillage images already at Veer.

Veer will continue to include the requirement for the model's birth date on the Veer model release and we strongly prefer model releases to include the model's age, however, we will accept third party model releases (ones from other companies) that don't have the model's birth date or age provide that it states "Model represents that they are age 18 or older".

"Other companies", does that included our own generic releases?
To play it safe "they are age 18 or older" is not enough. Some countries have provisions that some 18 year olds can't legally sign releases. I have that clause in my personal generic release.

The Model is not a minor, and does have the legal age or status in his/her country to sign this Agreement and is 18 years of age or older on the Photographs session date(s).

No need for birthday then I guess.

We need to make sure that the model who signs the release was an adult at the time they signed, otherwise the guardian would need to be signing on behalf of the model.

Of course. All releases in microstock, generic or site-supplied take care of that. A minor has to sign a different releases co-signed by the parent/guardian. This has all been settled in microstock for years.

The birth date of the model has no meaning for a buyer if he doesn't know what date the picture was shot. He only needs the assurance that model was in a legal condition to sign himself (major), or he needed a permission at the time of the shoot (minor) from a guardian or parent.

And of course, providing accurate ages in your metadata is also much appreciated.

No way. An image is going to lead its own life with embedded metadata. I don't put name nor birth day in my metadata, just a code for the release form. I don't want my models to be subject to identity theft or harassment since it's easy to obtain a person's data with name and birth date. It's against the model's privacy.

Quote from: AaronBooth on May 29, 2009, 13:46

And of course, providing accurate ages in your metadata is also much appreciated.

No way. An image is going to lead its own life with embedded metadata. I don't put name nor birth day in my metadata, just a code for the release form. I don't want my models to be subject to identity theft or harassment since it's easy to obtain a person's data with name and birth date. It's against the model's privacy.

I interpreted this to mean: Please don't keyword your 40-year-old MILF as a 20-year-old just because she looks hawt.

My images have been moved over and are showing up on VM but of course I can't log in yet.
http://www.veer.com/products/artistgallery.aspx?artist=13741&pricemodelcode=MP

Congratulations, I'm sure you will do very well there.

I can't see any of mine yet, I received the 'marketplace' acceptance email from SV, I'm starting think this may have been an error. I hope not.

If you enter your SV user name in the search box for Veer Marketplace the search will return all of your images that have been transferred from SV to Veer.

-Don