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« on: September 30, 2011, 10:24 »
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Last week Veer announced its plan to launch a subscription service.  Though we expected the response to be positive, we offered contributors the opportunity to opt-out of the program if they so desired.  The response from contributors has been loud and clear.  Clearly, we missed the mark.

We've asked for your feedback and have been listening carefully for the last few days as we went back to the drawing board to revise our royalty model.  Two key issues were raised by contributors:

1. Basic plan royalty per download range of $0.10 to $3.00 is generally good but a minimum of $0.25 per download is preferred.
2. Extended license plan royalty per download of $0.13 to $3.75 is far below expectations; there are other subscription sites averaging $28.00 per extended license download.  This was a show stopper for many contributors.

So here's what we're going to do. 

First, we are raising the rates of our Basic subscription to have a minimum royalty of $0.25 per download.  Not only that, but we're also raising the maximum royalty from $3.00 to $4.95.  The range is now $0.25 to $4.95 per download, per image-buying customers.

Second, we are changing the subscription extended license plan.  Instead of a daily download model for subscription extended licenses, Veer will enable subscription customers to easily purchase extended licenses on a per-image basis, as we do now on Veer.com.  If a customer purchases an unlimited reproduction license for your subscription image, you will earn $35.00 for the extended license, in addition to your subscription royalty per download of between $0.25 and $4.95.

A look at typical scenarios -- if the average subscription customer downloads nine images per day and the general range of downloads is between five to fifteen downloads per day, then here's how much a Veer contributor will earn with the revised subscription royalty model:

Customer downloads 15 images per day = $0.33 royalty per downloaded image
Customer downloads 9 images per day = $0.55 royalty per downloaded image
Customer downloads 5 images per day = $0.99 royalty per downloaded image

And if a customer adds an unlimited reproduction license to your image, you'll get an extra $35.00 per image on top of the subscription royalty.

See the updated
rate card for all the details.  We'll be sending an update email as well today.

We believe these new subscription royalties are competitive and will be an attractive new revenue stream for participating subscription contributors.

For anyone that communicated a subscription opt-out message to Veer and would now like to opt-in, simply send a message to [email protected] with the subject "Opt In" and we'll make sure your images are included in the subscription site.  You'll have until October 21st to let us know, but the sooner the better. 

Note, if we decide to offer a daily download subscription extended license in the future (with much better rates), then you will have the opportunity to opt-out of that as well. 

Veer puts a high value on open communication and collaboration.  Once again, we really appreciate your honest feedback and we've taken it to heart.  This has been a learning experience for us.  We're inspired by the engagement of our contributors and we hope you continue this engagement by joining us on the launch of Veer subscriptions.

Aaron


« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2011, 10:47 »
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How refreshing to hear a stock site listening to the contributors and adjusting things accordingly.  There are a few other sites that could take a lesson from you and I wish you all the luck in the world to take you to the top.

« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2011, 10:57 »
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That's much better.  I'm also really pleased to see that you've listened but I hope next time you get it right first time.

« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2011, 10:58 »
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you guys rock out end of story

wish you the best as I keep on supporting you, HIGH FIVE!

« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2011, 11:11 »
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Well done, guys.  I'm not even that upset about your first plan, given how well you listened to and responded to our comments.  You put a stake in the ground, we pointed out our issues and you adjusted your plans accordingly.  Extra points for transparency, along with all the ones you get for treating your suppliers with respect.

RT


« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2011, 11:16 »
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Nice to see an agency listening to it's contributors and acting on that information.

« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2011, 11:23 »
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My respect for Veer has quadrupled.  Thanks for your integrity and respecting our concerns.

Microbius

« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2011, 11:27 »
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OMG, some of the other agencies really need to take a leaf out of your book!
Thanks for listening!

« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2011, 11:47 »
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Your new proposal sounds much better. I also want to add that I appreciate the willingness to go back and revisit the issue.

The extended license solution is excellent.

About the only thing that concerns me is if it turns out that all the subscription sales are 25 cents in practice, having the higher theoretical maximum has no real value to us. Given that concern, what about keeping the opt out possibility rather than having it be just temporary for those of us who happened to be signed up prior to that October date? I'd be more than willing to give it a shot but if it wasn't working after 6-9 months I'd be stuck (unless I wanted to leave Veer altogether).

fujiko

« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2011, 11:52 »
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Now that's a much better and interesting  offer.

Very good for veer.

Sorry for being harsh to the first plan.

« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2011, 11:54 »
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Sounds good. Thanks!

« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2011, 11:59 »
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I just clicked the 'Like' button.

« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2011, 12:03 »
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Question: can I still 'back opt-in' after the 21st October? (I am currently opted out.)

velocicarpo

« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2011, 12:05 »
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Thanks so much Aaron and Veer!
It is really good to have someone listening to our concerns. I will certainly continue to support you in the future!

« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2011, 12:07 »
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Sounds like a very good improvement on the first offer! Finally a site that is listening and making an effort to balance the equation to be more equitable for the contributor regarding subscription sales! Bravo Veer!

« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2011, 12:08 »
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wow.  thank you! 

« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2011, 12:22 »
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I'm pleased to sell subs on Veer!

« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2011, 12:37 »
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Question: can I still 'back opt-in' after the 21st October? (I am currently opted out.)

Maui - no, it's not possible to opt-in after the October 21st cutoff date.  From Aaron's announcement above:

For anyone that communicated a subscription opt-out message to Veer and would now like to opt-in, simply send a message to [email protected] with the subject "Opt In" and we'll make sure your images are included in the subscription site.  You'll have until October 21st to let us know, but the sooner the better.

« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2011, 12:40 »
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« Last Edit: October 03, 2011, 22:14 by Sadstock »

Xalanx

« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2011, 12:42 »
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How impressive! I was so sure you won't be able to come up with something that will change my mind (perhaps due to the atmosphere crowded by greedy agencies with zero respect for contributors), but you really did. I will opt back in.

KB

« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2011, 12:47 »
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I'm just an idle bystander, but I applaud Veer's efforts at coming up with changes that work for both Veer and contributors. Bravo!

That said, I still do not see one word about size. Size matters. Giving away XXXL images for a quarter is still a poor deal.

I also don't see why there couldn't be a permanent opt-in / opt-out option, but I guess there must be a good business reason for it.

Regardless, well done, Veer.

« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2011, 12:50 »
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Excellent!  You have done a great job with redoing the plan. It now falls in line with the industry averages and I'm sure most of us will accept this. I'm opting back in.

« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2011, 12:54 »
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Woo-yay! :D    (In other words: opt in)
« Last Edit: September 30, 2011, 13:00 by Perry »

« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2011, 12:59 »
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Very impressive!
Nice to see an agency listening to it's contributors and treating it's suppliers with respect.
Wishing you the best and thanks for respecting our concerns.
You definitely have my support! :)

« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2011, 13:06 »
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Question to VEER:

The examples mentioned a customer buying x amount of images using the subscription model like:

Customer downloads 5 images per day=$0.99 royalty per downloaded image which results in $4.95 from that customer.

Ideally many customers will get a subscription plan and purchase my images - so is my following example correct?:

Customer A downloads 5 of my images per day=$0.99 royalty per downloaded image which results in $4.95 from customer A.
Customer B downloads 1 of my image per day=$4.95 royalty per downloaded image which results in $4.95 from customer B.
Customer C downloads 9 of my images per day=$0.55 royalty per downloaded image which results in $4.95 from customer C.
Customer D downloads 15 of my images per day=$0.33 royalty per downloaded image which results in $4.95 from customer D.

Which totals 4 x $4.95 = $19.80 for four customers downloading 30 of my images ($0.66 RPD).

I'm sorry if this has been addressed before or if I misread any of the terms. I'd greatly appreciate clarification about that.

Thanks in advance.

« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2011, 13:19 »
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Just opted back in.

Thank you

« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2011, 13:25 »
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Um...WOW!  This week has gotten better with that announcement.  I wasn't expecting the revamp to get turned around so quickly.  Thanks for listening and understanding :)

« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2011, 13:26 »
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Customer A downloads 5 of my images per day=$0.99 royalty per downloaded image which results in $4.95 from customer A.
Customer B downloads 1 of my image per day=$4.95 royalty per downloaded image which results in $4.95 from customer B.
Customer C downloads 9 of my images per day=$0.55 royalty per downloaded image which results in $4.95 from customer C.
Customer D downloads 15 of my images per day=$0.33 royalty per downloaded image which results in $4.95 from customer D.

This is correct only if the customer downloads ONLY your images. If they download images from other contributors on the same day, the numbers will be affected.

For example Customer A downloads 1 of your images and 9 from other contributors = 10 images
You will get $0.50 and the other contributors will get 9 * $0.50

« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2011, 13:26 »
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Question to VEER:

The examples mentioned a customer buying x amount of images using the subscription model like:

Customer downloads 5 images per day=$0.99 royalty per downloaded image which results in $4.95 from that customer.

Ideally many customers will get a subscription plan and purchase my images - so is my following example correct?:

Customer A downloads 5 of my images per day=$0.99 royalty per downloaded image which results in $4.95 from customer A.
Customer B downloads 1 of my image per day=$4.95 royalty per downloaded image which results in $4.95 from customer B.
Customer C downloads 9 of my images per day=$0.55 royalty per downloaded image which results in $4.95 from customer C.
Customer D downloads 15 of my images per day=$0.33 royalty per downloaded image which results in $4.95 from customer D.

Which totals 4 x $4.95 = $19.80 for four customers downloading 30 of my images ($0.66 RPD).

I'm sorry if this has been addressed before or if I misread any of the terms. I'd greatly appreciate clarification about that.

Thanks in advance.

Your correct except the images don't have  to be yours. The customer may download 9 a day and only 1 may be yours. You still get the .55 cents for that download.  The average downloads they state of 9 per day is correct but some will download all there quota and others may just download 1. On average we shouuld do well with this sub plan.

« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2011, 13:32 »
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OK, I see. Thanks for explaining.

microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2011, 13:35 »
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Thanks, the new plan is good!

I am sure this will benefit both us (contributors) and you (Veer), since recently the sites which are treating contributors fairly are the ones doing well - and vice versa.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2011, 14:31 by microstockphoto.co.uk »

lisafx

« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2011, 13:36 »
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Add me to the chorus of praise.  Thanks very much for being so responsive and open to contributor needs and suggestions.

I just sent my opt-in letter :)

« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2011, 13:44 »
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Microstock has future with agencies like Veer! Thanks Veer!
Now I will promote my Veer portfolio on every place where its possible...
Contributors,you can do the same!
« Last Edit: September 30, 2011, 13:47 by borg »

« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2011, 13:47 »
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WOW,

I (we) are not invisible

our voice is heard. with some co.

I always liked VEER from the very beginning~~~~~best of luck to Veer!

Bravo!

sc

« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2011, 13:51 »
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Good Job Veer!
I"ll be opting back in as soon as I get back to my own computer.

« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2011, 14:18 »
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I am one of the photographers who rarely post anything at discussion boards. I try to focus my time on taking pictures and uploading. I follow the forums on a regular basis though and this time, however, I feel I must write a few lines and give praise to how Veer have handled this issue. The other large agencies should learn from you, and how you handle it. You don't judge a person about the mistakes he/she make, you judge him by how he/she handles the mistake and how he/she tries to amend it. If you continue this path you will soon be among the top two-three agencies to the right. The attitude that Istock, Fotolia and others has shown towards their suppliers and moneymakers recently, will be their fall in the end. Somewhere along the line, the big players seems to have forgotten who has provided the product which they have made their profits from. They are a middleman, not the main man. We need to promote agencies who listens to their contributors and are willing to work with them.

« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2011, 14:48 »
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You earned my respect and support!!  ;D

Tryingmybest

  • Stand up for what is right
« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2011, 14:59 »
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 :) The folks at Veer are wise to admit fault and atone. The arrogant leadership at some of those other places will burn and be big losers if they don't follow the example of Veer. Pardon the biblical language, but I'm really sick one particular big agency that presupposes they are the model for what's "suitable for stock." I know for a fact they are playing with fire and how they treat artistsand their customerswill come back to bite them.

Anyway, I chose to opt-out thanks to the other artists' insight on microstockgroup. However, I wanted to seek some opinions out here on whether or not I should opt-in.

First, I've been with Veer for a year. I've done pretty well with them considering I only have 270 images there. I tend to make $7 for my EPS (about a 1/3 of sales) and $2.10 for medium JPG and quite a few $0.35 small JPG. Because sales aren't fast and furious as they can be on Shutterstock and Photospin, I am not excited about opting in to the Veer subscription plan. I'm thinking that I'll lose those nice $7 sales for cheaper subscription sales.

I like the "big" dollar sales. They bring balance to the small change I get elsewhere. So I'm thinking I'll will not opt-in. What is your opinion?

« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2011, 15:22 »
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That's a good question, black rhino. There is always a risk that buyers will switch from credit over to subscription sales. That certainly seems to be the trend at Fotolia. However, if someone switches to subscriptions and your photos are not available you will still lose the sale - but you won't get a subscription "consolation prize".

Looking at iS subscriptions, which work in a similar way, the average value is well above the minimum, so this scheme should work well.

« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2011, 15:25 »
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Add me to the chorus of praise.  Thanks very much for being so responsive and open to contributor needs and suggestions.

I just sent my opt-in letter :)

Lisa I thought you only needed to send an email if you wish to opt out... is there somthing somwhere I have missed?

Thanks

« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2011, 15:30 »
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This sounds more fair and is competitive in micro subscription game... Let's see what Shutterstock has as respond to this ;-)

Tryingmybest

  • Stand up for what is right
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2011, 15:30 »
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That's a good question, black rhino. There is always a risk that buyers will switch from credit over to subscription sales. That certainly seems to be the trend at Fotolia. However, if someone switches to subscriptions and your photos are not available you will still lose the sale - but you won't get a subscription "consolation prize".

Looking at iS subscriptions, which work in a similar way, the average value is well above the minimum, so this scheme should work well.

Interesting point. However, if I don't have subscription sales on iStockand Veer's program is similarthen it might not make a difference.

Trying to compare with my iStock statswhich I find very difficult to interpretI only see "File Purchases." How do I determine if any of those are istock subscription sales? It appears that these are all normal sales.

« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2011, 15:32 »
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Aaron,

I applaud the change you made based on user feedback, and in that regard I give you an A++, but I remain concerned that you would ever have thought that a .13c Extended license was either competitive, or fair. I would expect this mistake from a hobby shooter not a professional agency.  Which is another way of saying didn't just miss the mark  by a mile, you might as well have been out past the orbit of Jupiter.

I'll be opting back in, but watching. And hopefully if and when the extended comes back to the subscription side of things, we will have to option to keep being a part of the standard side of subscription, and opt out of the extended side.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2011, 15:35 by gwhitton »

« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2011, 15:34 »
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Add me to the chorus of praise.  Thanks very much for being so responsive and open to contributor needs and suggestions.

I just sent my opt-in letter :)

Lisa I thought you only needed to send an email if you wish to opt out... is there somthing somwhere I have missed?

Thanks

iclick - you only need to contact us if you have previously Opted-out and wish now to Opt-in.

« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2011, 15:37 »
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Trying to compare with my iStock statswhich I find very difficult to interpretI only see "File Purchases." How do I determine if any of those are istock subscription sales? It appears that these are all normal sales.

On the sidebar in your stats page there is a line that says "subscriptions", click on that and it gives you a list of all the files that have sold as subs, how many times they have sold and what the total subs earnings are.

« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2011, 15:51 »
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I was thinking... Heh, yes - sometimes I do that too  ;D

UNLIMITED REPRODUCTION plan can be very interesting for all but there must be some limits... I don't know much of statistic maths but will try to explain some points:

IDEA WHICH MIGHT WORK:

Monthly plan for Unlimited reproduction must include some known number of images planned for this kind of usage. Agency can simply give some good rebate: 20% for one month, 25% for three months, 30% for 6 months and so on. Limit must be final payout to contributor per image which can't be lower than 15 USD. 'Pool share' system can be applied here too.

After all OPT-OUT from this must be always present due to that some creatives sell unlimited reproduction licenses for 200+ USD per image and they might not be interested in such kind of sales.

Tryingmybest

  • Stand up for what is right
« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2011, 15:55 »
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Trying to compare with my iStock statswhich I find very difficult to interpretI only see "File Purchases." How do I determine if any of those are istock subscription sales? It appears that these are all normal sales.

On the sidebar in your stats page there is a line that says "subscriptions", click on that and it gives you a list of all the files that have sold as subs, how many times they have sold and what the total subs earnings are.

OK! Look at that. Zero subscription sales. So if we are comparing apples to apples, I won't lose the "big" money I get at Veer if I opt-in.  ::)

« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2011, 16:31 »
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Add me to the chorus of praise.  Thanks very much for being so responsive and open to contributor needs and suggestions.

I just sent my opt-in letter :)

Lisa I thought you only needed to send an email if you wish to opt out... is there somthing somwhere I have missed?

Thanks
I hope there will be something on the site to indicate if we are opted in or out.  Emails can go astray.

iclick - you only need to contact us if you have previously Opted-out and wish now to Opt-in.

rubyroo

« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2011, 16:33 »
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Thank you Veer!  I am so happy to see this.  

For a moment there, I thought you'd caught the 'mean bug' that's been prevalent in agency-land of late.  So it's really heartening to see that you're still as you always were.  Open, communicative and listening to the contributors.  I'm delighted, and I'm in  :)

As I, and some others, have stopped uploading to some of the agencies who treat us badly and refuse to listen, I expect you'll be getting a lot of fresh content that will be denied to them.

All we need now is a big Veer marketing drive, and I hope to see you guys in the top tier some day soon.

Thanks again.  You are stars.

« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2011, 19:16 »
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Congrats to veer, I'm also very pleased to found a so listening agency!! Simply thanks and i wish the sales will rock!!

jbarber873

« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2011, 19:17 »
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   Having previously taken Veer to task for their initial plan, I am happy to retract my criticism. Hopefully this ability to fix mistakes and get contributors on board helps to make the subs product a success. I'm back in!
Now, while I have your attention, when are you going to sell video? :D

« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2011, 22:11 »
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I see that one of my suggestions came true!
I've opted back in!
Good to see a company "really" listening and working with their contributors for the benefit of all!

« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2011, 22:46 »
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Thank you for listening to our concerns. It's so nice to know that we have been heard. Opting in now.

« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2011, 23:15 »
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Big thanks to the Veer team for listening to our concerns. Huge thumbs up.

I'll be opting back in shortly...

« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2011, 00:11 »
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Trying to compare with my iStock statswhich I find very difficult to interpretI only see "File Purchases." How do I determine if any of those are istock subscription sales? It appears that these are all normal sales.

On the sidebar in your stats page there is a line that says "subscriptions", click on that and it gives you a list of all the files that have sold as subs, how many times they have sold and what the total subs earnings are.

OK! Look at that. Zero subscription sales. So if we are comparing apples to apples, I won't lose the "big" money I get at Veer if I opt-in.  ::)

Lol! I've got pages and pages of iS subscriptions but I might be a slightly bigger player than you. IS subs (and I guess Veer's, too) are aimed at companies that for some reason want to have a subscription account rather than using credit sales. Maybe the finance people like to know the monthly budget is fixed at a certain level. This kind of subscription isn't targeting the low-cost customer, so I suppose the risk of people switching en masse is small.

I see the cost of a subscription pack will be about $500 for 600 dls in a month, which is about double what SS charges.

It's nice to see that their prices in different currencies are in line with the true exchange rate ... no nasty little tricks there, then.

PS:  I didn't bother to send them any suggestions for improvements because I assumed that they didn't really give a toss what contributors thought and asking for opinions was just a public relations ploy. I guess I've been hanging around Fotolia and iStock for too long.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2011, 00:16 by BaldricksTrousers »

Microbius

« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2011, 03:09 »
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The contrast between FL and Veer's attitudes has really made me rethink my strategy to stock. I'm going to make time for a sit down next week and think hard about where I upload to and which sites deserve my support.

« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2011, 03:10 »
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I just sent my opt-in letter  V. cool   8)

lagereek

« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2011, 05:14 »
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Its like a breath of fresh air! an agency that listens to its members. :)

« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2011, 06:20 »
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Nice to see an agency that values it's contributors instead of treating them like a nuisance. 

« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2011, 07:47 »
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Congratulations to Veer!
Indeed.
I'm back in love with them (and in subscriptions).

But also, congratulations to you people!
Congratulations to all of you, photographers who for once stood united and acted in unison for the good of all of us (including the agency).
This didn't happen out of the blue and goodness of Veer. It happened because of you.
It shows how it should be done and that it is possible.
Thank you contributors and thank you Veer.
Good luck, hopefully, it will work.

PS I would still love to see that 100 dollars payment limit lowered at least to half.
I don't sell much (at all) and I'm not very well, but hey, I understand :)
Just a suggestion :)

« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2011, 12:30 »
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Very well written Aaron and I think you guys did a great job of reworking how the subscription plan will work.  I hope it becomes a great success for both the photographers and Veer.  I guess three pages of happy replies should speak for itself, but it is really encouraging to see a site having open dialog with their suppliers and considering their (our) opinion.

Two thumbs up.  Obviously I will be opting in as well.

tab62

« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2011, 14:41 »
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I just got my first payday from the stock world and it was from Veer! I have a very positive experience from this company and glad to see many folks wanting to say with them! Thanks Veer!

« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2011, 15:28 »
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Another one jumping in to sing praise  :-*
Imho $0.25 is still a bit on the low side (the lowest of all sites i contribute, or am forced to contribute to actually...) but i decided to give it a shot.
So refreshing to see there's still agencies there who take our concerns at heart and really listen. (but im sure you know that by now ;))
I hope Veer will continue to grow (and contrary to other agencies' opinions think the power of contributor networking is not to underestimate).
Kudos.

« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2011, 16:44 »
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Still not opted in...  there's something shady and i can't put my finger on it.

Patrick H.

« Reply #64 on: October 02, 2011, 08:06 »
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Still not opted in...  there's something shady and i can't put my finger on it.

Patrick H.

I am bothered by the fact that they were first willing to screw everybody over, and only after a bunch of public backlashing, gave in. To me, that seems a little dishonest (shady?). I sincerely hope their financial reporting will break things down so that contributors who are very happy here will be able to see exactly what they are getting paid.

It doesn't affect me at all...I was at Veer for quite a while, and I just never saw a lot of sales. When they wouldn't provide an opt-out for partner programs, I pulled my port.

« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2011, 09:15 »
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Thanks to Microstock Group for making this positive dialogue possible!  Would most likely not have happened on an agency forum.

« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2011, 09:21 »
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it is incredible how some can still be in the shady regarding Veer, I really dont understand, what agencies are you selling pictures? we can all have our opinion but this is not right comparing to other agencies policies etc etc

« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2011, 09:24 »
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it is incredible how some can still be in the shady regarding Veer, I really dont understand, what agencies are you selling pictures? we can all have our opinion but this is not right comparing to other agencies policies etc etc
As you said, we can all have our opinion....

Patrick H.

« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2011, 11:06 »
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It will be interesting to see what % of sub sales are from the different #s. As I stated elsewhere I am guessing there are a lot of 0 sale days and a fair number of using most of the sub total. We still won't know what the number of 0 dl days are though. I am guessing Shutterstock users have a similar buying pattern, so perhaps we can get more insight into what the actual royalty % there is. 

One question is that originally I thought that the Veer subs were up to 30 a day (3.00 to .10) the new schedule looks like it goes up to 20 a day total.

« Reply #69 on: October 03, 2011, 05:13 »
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Opted-in.  Thank you for respecting us as artists!

« Reply #70 on: October 03, 2011, 16:12 »
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I hope everyone +1ed and hearted Aaron's post :)

« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2011, 16:47 »
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I hope everyone +1ed and hearted Aaron's post :)

So that's what the heart's for never knew that.

So when will we know after we've opted back in that we're actually opted back in?

« Reply #72 on: October 04, 2011, 00:02 »
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I hope everyone +1ed and hearted Aaron's post :)

No, I just opted back in :)

I am very happy that they decided to make changes, but I'm still pretty taken aback that they thought the original scheme was OK. Whatever internal compass they're using needs some serious recalibration - I would prefer it if we didn't have to have this cycle of horrible proposal-contributor outrage-improved proposal again. So no hearts or +1s from me.

« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2011, 11:21 »
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Hi all,

I just wanted to clear up a potential point of confusion about the opt in/out process. Here are the different scenarios:

1. If you wish to be opted in, and have never sent us an opt-out message, you don't need to take any action. Everyone is automatically opted in unless you send an opt-out email to
[email protected] by October 21 (process outlined in point #4).

2. If you had initially opted out and wish to remain opted out, you don't need to take any action.

3. If you had initially opted out and now want to opt back in, simply send us an email with the subject heading "Opt in" time-stamped before 11:59 pm (PST), October 21, 2011.

4. If you have not yet opted out, but still wish to do so, you'll need to notify us by 11:59 pm (PST) on October 21, 2011. The specifics of the process are outlined here: http://www.veer.com/more/contributor/news/introducing-veer-subscriptions/.

Thanks again for your continued feedback. We're happy to see so many positive responses to the revised royalty structure, and appreciate your engagement!

Cheers,

Chelsey
« Last Edit: October 04, 2011, 11:24 by Chelsey Schaffel »

lisafx

« Reply #74 on: October 05, 2011, 12:13 »
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Hi Chelsey,

I had opted out and then sent an opt in letter.  I received a confirmation in response to my opt out letter, but haven't received one after opting  back in.  Just want to make sure I am now opted back in.  Any way to check that?

« Reply #75 on: October 05, 2011, 13:14 »
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Hi Chelsey,

I had opted out and then sent an opt in letter.  I received a confirmation in response to my opt out letter, but haven't received one after opting  back in.  Just want to make sure I am now opted back in.  Any way to check that?

I am in the same boat and would like to know the answer as well.

« Reply #76 on: October 05, 2011, 13:53 »
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Me three. I was assuming that I'd get a similar confirmation e-mail, but so far, just the "Thank you for contacting Veer..." from early Monday morning.

« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2011, 13:08 »
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I just now got my opt-in confirmation so check your email to see if you've gotten yours too.

Thanks Veer!

« Reply #78 on: October 06, 2011, 13:10 »
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I just now got my opt-in confirmation so check your email to see if you've gotten yours too.

Thanks Veer!

Me too.

lisafx

« Reply #79 on: October 06, 2011, 18:35 »
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Me three :)

« Reply #80 on: October 06, 2011, 20:01 »
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Just got my opt-in confirmation email also.
Thanks Veer!

« Reply #81 on: October 06, 2011, 21:13 »
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I opted out, got the confirmation email and also the invitation to opt back in. I won't do it. If buyers want shots at 0.25 $ct, they can go shoot those themselves or hire a photographer and pay the model(s) and the studio. Fair enough and thanks to have given the choice to opt out.

« Reply #82 on: October 07, 2011, 04:43 »
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I applaud Veer's decision to reconsider their plans - that's good.

But I'll stay opted-out. I am not convinced that subs will do me any good.

I just wished we had an unlimited option to opt-out and -in, not just until 21 October.

« Reply #83 on: October 07, 2011, 07:04 »
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I applaud Veer's decision to reconsider their plans - that's good.

But I'll stay opted-out. I am not convinced that subs will do me any good.

I just wished we had an unlimited option to opt-out and -in, not just until 21 October.

Yeah, that would bother me too. Almost like once you're in, they can then change the game to anything they want and too bad for you. But hey, I am just a conspiracy theorist, there aren't ANY agencies that actually do that kind of thing, right?  ;)

« Reply #84 on: October 07, 2011, 07:32 »
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I applaud Veer's decision to reconsider their plans - that's good.

But I'll stay opted-out. I am not convinced that subs will do me any good.

I just wished we had an unlimited option to opt-out and -in, not just until 21 October.

Yeah, that would bother me too. Almost like once you're in, they can then change the game to anything they want and too bad for you. But hey, I am just a conspiracy theorist, there aren't ANY agencies that actually do that kind of thing, right?  ;)

+1


 

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