This is alarming.  But I am still confused on one point.  Are Alamy, or are they not, removing the images we've uploaded ourselves, when a duplicate is uploaded through another channel? 

That's what I wanted to know from Alamy when I wrote to Member Services. Still waiting for a reply.

Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2012, 05:20

... Has anybody got any images on line through Veer that were first uploaded to Alamy?

Yes I do and those images have been removed from my standard Alamy pseudonym and moved over to the Veer Creativity collection.

I wrote to Member Services about this.

Alamy is not 100% innocent here either as they manage their collections and therefore allow the removal of duplicates which means in our case removal of content that brings us higher commissions (and Alamy). Therefore Alamy appears to prefer exposure over actual commission.

I don't understand why there wasn't any announcement neither from Alamy nor Veer about this. Or was there?

That's worse than I thought. At one point I had another agent upload some files there for me and by accident one of them was a duplicate. The two files were left online together.

If Alamy are deleting our direct uploads then I will have to close my Veer account regardless of it being only a small part of my portfolio.

If veer does not offer any opting out I delete my Portfolio there. Period.

So I don't see any of my (800 or so) Veer Images on Alamy - are they only moving over some?

Quote from: jsnover on May 16, 2012, 09:55

So I don't see any of my (800 or so) Veer Images on Alamy - are they only moving over some?

It looks like it.  I have 240 Veer images on Alamy and 506 total images at Veer.

Same here.  3400 on Veer, but only 65 of those (so far!) in the Alamy Creativity collection. 

So I'm going through Veer's FAQ and come across this little ditty...

What is the royalty structure for images sold through Veer�s API?

When a buyer downloads your Veer image from a partner site, you earn the same royalty you would if the image was downloaded directly from veer.com. For full details about royalties, see the Veer Contributor Rate Card.

So I check the rate card, and provided Alamy is considered an API partner (which I don't know), we're only going to earn Veer's standard rate, not our usual 40% Alamy partner rate.   

Quote from: lisafx on May 16, 2012, 10:06

Quote from: Karimala on May 16, 2012, 10:05

Quote from: jsnover on May 16, 2012, 09:55

So I don't see any of my (800 or so) Veer Images on Alamy - are they only moving over some?

It looks like it.  I have 240 Veer images on Alamy and 506 total images at Veer.

Same here.  3400 on Veer, but only 65 of those (so far!) in the Alamy Creativity collection. 

I think a lot of older images won't be on Alamy because of sizing retrictions.

they are not applying the standard restrictions, at least for me. I have 544 images on Veer and 290 in the Alamy CC. Most of these images are smaller than 24M which is the minimum size at Alamy. Beside this, none of my (duplicated) images already existing on Alamy have been deleted.

Just an update, I wrote to both Veer and Alamy to express concern over this and find out:

1.  If redundant images will be removed from my Alamy portfolio, and
2.  If there will be any way to opt out of this through Veer, short of removing my images from the site. 

They have only ported 4 of mine over . All are middle aged images, all over the 24 mb size - I have no idea how they picked those 4. The duplicates are still under my account. I have a different username at Alamy.

I wrote to Veer asking about the commission I would get for a sale of the Veer-Alamy content and if there was a way to avoid it or if I would have to remove my account to avoid this competition.

This should have been communicated to us in a better manner. Then again there are many things in this business that should be different.

I've sent this to Alamy, if I get a sensible reply I will let you know:

"I see reports that you are deleting images we have uploaded if they also arrive at your site via your new arrangement with Veer. Is this correct? If so, there is no point in my completing most of my pending uploads.

If you are deleting submitters� images in favour of an arrangement with Veer, can we keep images pending in our upload account for however long it takes to close our Veer accounts so that there is no clash, which might take a good many weeks?

If you are deleting images in favour of Veer and we close our Veer accounts, will those images be automatically restored or will we need to resubmit, assuming that we have any idea of what it is that has been deleted?

A clear statement about what is happening and what we can do to prevent Veer taking a cut of our commissions would be welcome,

Regards"

Wow! This is for court!

So I'm going through Veer's FAQ and come across this little ditty...

Quote

What is the royalty structure for images sold through Veer�s API?

When a buyer downloads your Veer image from a partner site, you earn the same royalty you would if the image was downloaded directly from veer.com. For full details about royalties, see the Veer Contributor Rate Card.

So I check the rate card, and provided Alamy is considered an API partner (which I don't know), we're only going to earn Veer's standard rate, not our usual 40% Alamy partner rate.   

So with certain NU sales Veer could end up out of pocket!