Author Topic: Exciting news from Envato for Stock Footage and Motion Graphics submissions.... (Read 33949 times)

SpaceStockFootage · « **on:** May 02, 2016, 01:52 »

Here's an announcement made today by Envato. Something I've wanted for years....

I’m pleased to announce that over the next few weeks we will be rolling out a new upload tool for our VideoHive footage and motion graphics authors. We hope this new upload page makes it much easier to upload and submit your clips to VideoHive. We’ll be launching the page to more and more authors over the coming weeks, so if you see the following message next time you visit the VideoHive upload page, you’ll know that you have been granted access to this great new tool.

Here’s a list of some of the exciting new features that should make it easier for footage and motion graphics authors to upload their new items

Previews & Thumbnails Auto-generated
No more need to upload separate thumbnails and preview videos! The new upload process will generate these files from your uploaded video. You no longer need to create a ZIP file for your item - simply upload your clip as an MOV or MP4 file and we’ll take care of the rest! We’ll auto-detect some of the technical metadata such as duration & resolution and will also generate a watermarked preview video.

Upload from Dropbox
As well as uploading files from your browser using new drag and drop upload, you can upload your items directly from your Dropbox account. And of course you can still upload using FTP!

Prepare and Submit Multiple Items
You no longer need to submit files one by one. You can upload as many files as you like, prepare the tags and descriptions for all of your files and then send your files to the review process with a single submission.

sharpshot · « **Reply #1 on:** May 02, 2016, 02:13 »

Now they could get swamped with clips any nobody will make much money because of the very low prices. I would of thought this would be bad news for anyone that already has their portfolio there? Bad news for the rest of us that sell at higher prices as well, I don't really want video to sell for such tiny amounts because uploading 4k is very time consuming.

If they somehow buck the trend and maintain sales volume while being swamped by new clips, I might have no choice but to submit to them at some point but I hope that doesn't happen.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #2 on:** May 02, 2016, 02:33 »

Don't forget they'll be bringing in self pricing soon, so you can price your clips at whatever you want. And at only around 250,000 clips currently, even if they get ten times that submitted overnight, they've still only got half as much as P5. I guess time will tell whether all this is good for existing providers/potential new providers etc.

sharpshot · « **Reply #3 on:** May 02, 2016, 03:09 »

Self pricing would be good, now they just need to match the P5 50% and declare themselves an agency and I will start uploading

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #4 on:** May 02, 2016, 03:21 »

And editorial would be nice!

lucagavagna · « **Reply #5 on:** May 02, 2016, 03:26 »

Quote from: sharpshot on May 02, 2016, 03:09

Self pricing would be good, now they just need to match the P5 50% and declare themselves an agency and I will start uploading

I agree, prices there are too low. I don't hope they are going to grow with this dumping attitude.
For example the work of SpaceStockFootage worth much more than those prices they sell it.
Customer would by it anyway if it costedt 5 or 6 times more.
in my opinion Videohive, for the moment, is a tramp

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #6 on:** May 02, 2016, 03:46 »

For example the work of SpaceStockFootage worth much more than those prices they sell it.
Customer would by it anyway if it costedt 5 or 6 times more.

I'll take that as a compliment, thanks! People do buy it at 5 to 6 and sometimes ten times more... but at the moment, the sales I get from VideoHive outweigh the sales I get elsewhere, even at the greatly reduced prices. I've been on VH for about six years, but have only been properly focusing on stock for the last two years. There and at Pond5. In the last six months, I started trying SS, iS, VB, FT etc. Sales there are increasing gradually, so hopefully some time later this year or the next... my sales from other sites will be on a par with Envato. Time will tell.

Six months ago I was making about $100 a month from non-Envato sites. Last month I made $700 from non-Envato sites, so I'm getting there.

lucagavagna · « **Reply #7 on:** May 02, 2016, 04:49 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 02, 2016, 03:46

For example the work of SpaceStockFootage worth much more than those prices they sell it.
Customer would by it anyway if it costedt 5 or 6 times more.

I'll take that as a compliment, thanks! People do buy it at 5 to 6 and sometimes ten times more... but at the moment, the sales I get from VideoHive outweigh the sales I get elsewhere, even at the greatly reduced prices. I've been on VH for about six years, but have only been properly focusing on stock for the last two years. There and at Pond5. In the last six months, I started trying SS, iS, VB, FT etc. Sales there are increasing gradually, so hopefully some time later this year or the next... my sales from other sites will be on a par with Envato. Time will tell.

Six months ago I was making about $100 a month from non-Envato sites. Last month I made $700 from non-Envato sites, so I'm getting there.

Exactly, that's the way!
Your work is good!
In my opinion you should avoid t be competitor with yourself, stop selling low price!

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #8 on:** May 02, 2016, 05:27 »

I agree with you to an extent. i think my sales would go up slightly if I removed all my stuff from VideoHive. However, I do think on the whole, there's a very different customer base at VideoHive than there is at the $50/$79/$99 type places. There will be some crossover, but I'd lose a lot of money if I pulled all my stuff from VideoHive. I'm keeping stats though, reviewing things constantly, and will see how it goes.

cobalt · « **Reply #9 on:** May 02, 2016, 10:16 »

That is great news!

😃

But now someone pointed out that there is a vat problem if you are a European contributor? Is that true?

That the sale is directly between me and the customer, not envato as an agency, and that means I have to check every sale for vat issues.

Anybody here know more about this?

trek · « **Reply #10 on:** May 02, 2016, 13:15 »

Quote from: cobalt on May 02, 2016, 10:16

That is great news!

😃

But now someone pointed out that there is a vat problem if you are a European contributor? Is that true?

That the sale is directly between me and the customer, not envato as an agency, and that means I have to check every sale for vat issues.

Anybody here know more about this?

This thread regarding Evanto tax reporting is worth considering before uploading:

http://www.microstockgroup.com/photodune/were-expanding-to-america-important-tax-and-withdrawal-changes-for-all-authors/25/

stockVid · « **Reply #11 on:** May 02, 2016, 13:18 »

When is self pricing due to happen. Did they say?

sharpshot · « **Reply #12 on:** May 02, 2016, 13:54 »

Quote from: cobalt on May 02, 2016, 10:16

That is great news!

😃

But now someone pointed out that there is a vat problem if you are a European contributor? Is that true?

That the sale is directly between me and the customer, not envato as an agency, and that means I have to check every sale for vat issues.

Anybody here know more about this?

There was some info on the HMRC website that made me think it might be OK but I prefer to be 100% sure when it comes to tax and I would find it hard to support a site that has deliberately made things complicated for contributors.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #13 on:** May 02, 2016, 15:44 »

If I'm not mistaken, they're one of the few sites that are doing VAT right. The rules are basically that if you sell stock directly to people, then you have to charge and remit VAT. If you're selling stock through a third-party site that handles all the payments, billing and marketing etc... then they should be the ones charging and remitting VAt. Which they are.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #14 on:** May 02, 2016, 15:50 »

I think the confusion lies in the fact that Envato have made it clear that we're the seller, and they're not the seller. As a result, people are thinking that they're responsible for charging VAT. The thing is, whatever reason they have for saying that we're the sellers, it probably has nothing to do with VAT as they are charging VAT. If they didn't want to charge VAT, or didn't have to, then they probably wouldn't be.

And at the end of the day... whatever they say or don't say, is unlikely to alter their responsibilities when it comes to VAT.

cobalt · « **Reply #15 on:** May 02, 2016, 16:20 »

But if their legalese says they are just collecting money on my behalf and not working as an agency licensing directly, that will be a problem for my accountant.

And it will cost me money to have him verify the vat of every transaction.

I´ll have to clear that up before I upload because European VAT laws are becoming more and more complicated. I´ve heard some people wouldn´t license to anyone who doesn´t provide a Europran VAT number.

When they have the new upload system, I´ll try to follow up on the details.

My accountant insists on reading the contract of every agency I submit to. It costs money, but is still cheaper than dealing with a tax problem later.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #16 on:** May 02, 2016, 17:55 »

These should come in handy (Enavto's VAT number at the top of the first one)...

https://help.market.envato.com/hc/en-us/articles/203727600-VAT-FAQ

https://help.market.envato.com/hc/en-us/articles/204416890-EU-VAT-Summary-for-Authors-Buyers

Mantis · « **Reply #17 on:** May 03, 2016, 08:08 »

Until they become an agency or a real marketplace and change their pricing forget it. The argument that they "target a different market" is hogwash. Lowball pricing is lowball pricing. It has an effect holistically if they gain share. Why? They are taking business from other agencies. So until other key business strategies change, upload ease doesn't do anything for me at least.

Tror · « **Reply #18 on:** May 03, 2016, 10:05 »

Exciting?

??

These Guys do so much damage to us Contributors by extremely shady accountancy / tax "strategies" which creates so much legal trouble for many of us, harm the whole market by putting a extremely damaging pricing structure into effect (yeahyeah, maybe you are soon able to set your own prices, but the there is already so much harm done, also to the self-valuation of artists), etc. that the only exciting news from Envato / Videohive would be that they get shutdown or have to seize operations or are in serious trouble with the IRS.

They do not deserve my personal Respect and I have serious trouble understanding any Artist or Content producer who works with them. Period.

stockVid · « **Reply #19 on:** May 03, 2016, 10:20 »

As long as they set the price I can not see how Videohive can legally say we are the seller.

I'm looking for a Pond5 replacement but until Videohive has a better upload system and allows contributors to set the price I'm staying away.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #20 on:** May 03, 2016, 10:30 »

Quote from: Mantis on May 03, 2016, 08:08

Until they become an agency or a real marketplace and change their pricing forget it. The argument that they "target a different market" is hogwash. Lowball pricing is lowball pricing. It has an effect holistically if they gain share. Why? They are taking business from other agencies. So until other key business strategies change, upload ease doesn't do anything for me at least.

Lowball pricing can be lowball pricing AND they can target a different market. They're not mutually exclusive!

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #21 on:** May 03, 2016, 13:33 »

"Target a different market" sounds nice in theory, but when you sell identical digital files with the same usage rights the term becomes a bit ridiculous.

It's not like you're selling Ferraris at Pond5 for $399 and used Toyotas at Envato... You will find the exact same files. People do shop around but some just care more about time than price and will buy whatever they find (or are shown) first.

The BEST-selling footage clips only make around $92 per month at Envato, and only 2 of them... They make around $400+ per month at Pond5 with the worst on the list still making $175.

If they start doing author pricing, I will consider it.

cobalt · « **Reply #22 on:** May 03, 2016, 13:45 »

I am sorry but I have the same files offered in one place for 600 dollars and at another for 30 cents. They both sell and I see no loss in sales if I upload to a different agency.

They all have different buyer structures, so just because soemone goes for the high volume,low price model, doesn´t mean you can´t make money there.

And pond5 and their 8 dollar files from the membership club are undercutting everyone, people offer the same file for 500 dollars and 8 dollars on the same site.

But if videohive allows people to set their own prices, I would prefer this.

The tax/VAT issues are a real problem, for me, not the pricing.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #23 on:** May 03, 2016, 13:52 »

Quote from: cobalt on May 03, 2016, 13:45

The tax/VAT issues are a real problem, for me, not the pricing.

You don't have to worry about VAT there. They take care of it and you never see it.

stockVid · « **Reply #24 on:** May 03, 2016, 13:58 »

Quote from: increasingdifficulty on May 03, 2016, 13:52

Quote from: cobalt on May 03, 2016, 13:45
The tax/VAT issues are a real problem, for me, not the pricing.

You don't have to worry about VAT there. They take care of it and you never see it.

Now I'm really confused. If they are not the seller how do they 'take care of it' (VAT).

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #25 on:** May 03, 2016, 14:18 »

Quote from: stockVid on May 03, 2016, 13:58

Now I'm really confused. If they are not the seller how do they 'take care of it' (VAT).

Well, as an author, you don't have the possibility to take care of any VAT issues so as far as I'm concerned, they are the seller. No matter what they say to justify their author fees...

pkphotos · « **Reply #26 on:** May 03, 2016, 16:02 »

Not sure how anyone could get excited or even contemplate offering footage to an agency with such low pricing. Be realistic, if you're not earning US$25 per download NET then you're going to struggle to be successful in the long run.

sharpshot · « **Reply #27 on:** May 03, 2016, 16:45 »

From the info I read on the HMRC website, we might not be liable to collect VAT under the EU law now they are setting prices but it would be even more unclear if we are setting prices and they claim we are selling direct. Who really wants to deal with that when there are so many sites that don't have this problem?

cobalt · « **Reply #28 on:** May 03, 2016, 17:19 »

If according to their legalese envato is not the seller, then it means every single transaction has to be verified by my accountant. That is too expensive.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #29 on:** May 03, 2016, 17:41 »

Whether they say they're the seller, they're not the seller, or they're intergalactic being from another universe... they are charging VAT because they have to. I'm not sure why everyone is so fixated on Envato (or anyone else) saying that they're not the seller, as it has nothing to do with their VAT responsibilities.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #30 on:** May 03, 2016, 17:43 »

Quote from: sharpshot on May 03, 2016, 16:45

Who really wants to deal with that when there are so many sites that don't have this problem?

By "don't have this problem", do you mean they're not charging VAT when they should be?

trek · « **Reply #31 on:** May 03, 2016, 17:49 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 03, 2016, 17:41

Whether they say they're the seller, they're not the seller, or they're intergalactic being from another universe... they are charging VAT because they have to. I'm not sure why everyone is so fixated on Envato (or anyone else) saying that they're not the seller, as it has nothing to do with their VAT responsibilities.

I'm fixated on their plan to 1099 us for 80% of the sale price while paying us 36%.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #32 on:** May 03, 2016, 17:51 »

Quote from: pkphotos on May 03, 2016, 16:02

Be realistic, if you're not earning US$25 per download NET then you're going to struggle to be successful in the long run.

The amount you earn per download has only a very tenuous link to how successful one is in the long run. Isn't it about $45 per download on ClipCanvas, $25 on ClipDealer? I've had one sale out of the both of them this year.

Nobody is going to argue that $25 per clip is a lot better than $4 a clip, but when it comes to being successful (financially), surely it's the total in the bank that counts, not the amount per clip? You can get $250 per HD download, but if you only sell one or a two a year then you're going to be living on a bench. Obviously I'm not saying that people who don't upload to Envato are earning less that those that do... just trying to make the point that a high sales figure isn't always the 'be all and end all'.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #33 on:** May 03, 2016, 17:52 »

Quote from: trek on May 03, 2016, 17:49

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 03, 2016, 17:41
Whether they say they're the seller, they're not the seller, or they're intergalactic being from another universe... they are charging VAT because they have to. I'm not sure why everyone is so fixated on Envato (or anyone else) saying that they're not the seller, as it has nothing to do with their VAT responsibilities.

I'm fixated on their plan to 1099 us for 80% of the sale price while paying us 36%.

Well yeah, that's a different kettle of badgers altogether!

LDV81 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 03, 2016, 18:47 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 03, 2016, 17:51

Quote from: pkphotos on May 03, 2016, 16:02
Be realistic, if you're not earning US$25 per download NET then you're going to struggle to be successful in the long run.

The amount you earn per download has only a very tenuous link to how successful one is in the long run. Isn't it about $45 per download on ClipCanvas, $25 on ClipDealer? I've had one sale out of the both of them this year.

Nobody is going to argue that $25 per clip is a lot better than $4 a clip, but when it comes to being successful (financially), surely it's the total in the bank that counts, not the amount per clip? You can get $250 per HD download, but if you only sell one or a two a year then you're going to be living on a bench. Obviously I'm not saying that people who don't upload to Envato are earning less that those that do... just trying to make the point that a high sales figure isn't always the 'be all and end all'.

Your work is fairly unique and I don't think there is big competition in your niche. Therefore you could easily charge much more and still be successful. If I had your content I would price HD at 79-100 USD and try to bring buyers to the more lucrative sites. I think you are undercutting yourself and shooting yourself in the foot. Your work is very good and most buyers would pay much more for it, if that was the only way to license it. I buy from Envato other things, but as a supplier I don't touch them with a barge pole.

cobalt · « **Reply #35 on:** May 03, 2016, 19:34 »

He is making 5 times more on envato than on places like pond5 with higher prices. And he doesn´t seem to be the only one.

It was the same with photos, the first people who offered their high quality files for 20 cents instead of 500 dollars often made 10 times more than the people that "took pride in their work" but only made a sale a few times a year. They were also forced to make their "real living" from assignments or other jobs, while the people that were selling cheap "and destroying everything" made a full time income from stock and could afford to pay for a team and employees.

Timing is everything, once there are 100 million videos and thousands of people copying space videos, he might decide to supply only macrostock sites.

The only thing that counts is how much money you make in total and some people are good with business and can identify pricing trends easily.

It won´t work for everyone, if you are producing something, the majority of buyers never need, then it is better to stick to high prices and get lucky once a year.

The internet will not disappear and people will always follow the money.

Mantis · « **Reply #36 on:** May 03, 2016, 20:26 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 03, 2016, 10:30

Quote from: Mantis on May 03, 2016, 08:08
Until they become an agency or a real marketplace and change their pricing forget it. The argument that they "target a different market" is hogwash. Lowball pricing is lowball pricing. It has an effect holistically if they gain share. Why? They are taking business from other agencies. So until other key business strategies change, upload ease doesn't do anything for me at least.

Lowball pricing can be lowball pricing AND they can target a different market. They're not mutually exclusive!

That is simply a guess. They target anyone who will buy their clips and at cheap seat prices, and if they happen to attract a market that demands low pricing that does not mean that market is their sole market. That means pricing is mutually exclusive because they will take what they can get at whatever price. Either way their pricing is horribly low and it only serves to further erode the video market just like in the still market. Mix that with their stupid "marketplace" model to have their cake and eat it too and you have a system that is degrading stock altogether. I have some images there but not all and I have zero video there of my 1200 clips. They will not see any of them unless their model changes. It's great that you feel comfortable selling your clips there, but I don't. We will simply agree to disagree.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #37 on:** May 04, 2016, 03:05 »

I'm meaning 'target' as in who they promote their offering to, which demographic they go after, not who they'll sell to. They'll sell to anyone, and rightly so... just like nearly every company will, but that doesn't necessarily mean they don't targeted a specific buyer or group of buyers. McDonalds target a certain type of person, and it's very unlikely they run ads in Tatler, Horse and Hound or the Michelin Guide, but I'm sure they'd be quite happy if a such buyers roll along.

I've been on Envato, either as a buyer or a seller for about seven years, and they've never reallyu marketed themselves to big production houses. Of course, they'll take their money like they will anyone else, but it's always been a market for the kind of people that set up Youtube channels, blogs and the like, low budget productions, freelancers etc. Ten/fifteen years ago... shooting, editing and publishing videos was a lot harder and more expensive. The people who did such things could afford $100, $250, $500 for once clip. Like After Effects templates... if you're the average guy or gal on the street, hoping to become the next Youtube sensation and want an intro for your vids... are you going to hire an AE artist at $100 an hour, or get a template for $20?

Although there is a lot of crossover, I'll agree, there's a bit of a spectrum when it comes to people who buy stock... and Envato are more for those near the ultraviolet. Or infrared, depending on which end we're classing as 'high end'.

Maybe they are eroding the market? Maybe the microstock people are eyeing the nanostock people like the macrostock people were eyeing the microstock people? I'm not sure. But as much as I enjoy making vfx and motion graphics stuff, I also enjoy earning money, and if Envato are earning me a decent amount of money then that works for me. You make it sound like it;s unethical to sell on Envato... but it's not like I'm running a sweatshop, destroying the environment or and promoting wage inequality. I can't see Amnesty International, The Red Cross and the United Nations banding together to highlight the plight of Shutterstock/iStock/Fotolia providers due to the erosion of their natural habitat.

urbazon · « **Reply #38 on:** May 05, 2016, 11:23 »

I've started on Envato, only because I entered the world of micro stock through AudioJungle, selling sfx.
Only after a few years I entered the video (and photo) worlds.

I am in similar situation as SpaceStockFootage, because the most of my earnings come from Envato sales.
I used to absolutely love that place. However recently they started making a lot of weird changes and it made me (and so many other authors) wonder about the whole situation.
Most notably, their efforts to highly complicate and mess up the earning structure and taxes. It used to be so straightforward: authors earned commission of certain percentage, as high as 70%, and that's it. Now you need a PhD in Quantum Mechanics to understand the whole thing

Also, anybody who spent some time on Envato knows that most of their energy is directed toward their most successful marketplace - ThemeForest - so other Envato segments are suffering a lot.

Even this upload tool you're so excited about has been announced more than a year ago, and works on it started about a year ago (with some lengthy pauses in between). A whole year! And it still seems like it won't bring all the necessary features - since the old tool will be kept to cover for those. Things are moving way too slow, if you ask me...
A lot of essential tools are missing, and it seems like nobody at Envato cares.

I always love to see progress, but it is far from an ideal picture.

P.S. And yes, we do have to wonder what will happen now when the flood gates get opened more than before

alexzappa · « **Reply #39 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:32 »

Any update on this new uploading tool for Stock Footage?

Brightontl · « **Reply #40 on:** February 01, 2017, 12:26 »

I am bumping this thread because I am interested in knowing if the new submission tool is still planned.
I have been trying to understand how their submission for footage works and I got a really bad headache

scrub · « **Reply #41 on:** July 08, 2017, 05:43 »

Any news on this new upload tool?

I work mainly in motion graphics, particularly universally usable low key seamless loop backgrounds and similar stuff, things which would presumably sell much better on markets that Envato caters to than those of my current main agencies. I suspect I could get much better sales at lower price aimed at youtubers and the like (which seems to be Envatos prime market).

However, I'm utterly put off by their ridiculous upload procedures - I have to upload, tag and submit each file individually, are you for real?!?! I've got thousands of the things! Also, I have to manually and individually prepare thumbnails and low-res previews?!?! It's just laughably ridiculous. What . is wrong with you people, you can script and automatize these things in a few days.

So anyway, uploading to VideoHive seems to me entirely too much needless work for such dubious returns. Is there any possibility they fix this along the lines of, say, Pond5 or VideoBlocks? I mean, how much work can it be?

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #42 on:** July 08, 2017, 06:46 »

Scripting and automation is what allows 1 million new files per week on certain sites... It's not a good thing. It's also the worst thing you can possibly do for SEO.

Anyway, I've been using the "new" upload system for a year now, so it's definitely out, just not for everyone I suppose.

scrub · « **Reply #43 on:** July 08, 2017, 08:57 »

So you mean that it is available to only select authors or only after your first submissions?

If that is so, than it is still ridiculous. I'm a fairly successful contributor to a range of different venues, looking to do business with Envato. One look at their upload page made me go "why bother".

If it is in their interest to have as few contributors and files available, if that's their model (and with absolutely lowest prices aimed at the widest possible market available i sincerely doubt so) then good luck to them. I know that's one company stock I'd never invest in.

No really, is there a submission page that resembles something more akin to current standards, or is that thing all there is?

Mantis · « **Reply #44 on:** July 08, 2017, 09:48 »

This is just another example of voodoo from another agency who purposely misled contributors. They need to come out and make the factual claim that $49=100% regardless of how much they actually charge a customer.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #45 on:** July 08, 2017, 15:45 »

Quote from: scrub on July 08, 2017, 08:57

So you mean that it is available to only select authors or only after your first submissions?

If that is so, than it is still ridiculous. I'm a fairly successful contributor to a range of different venues, looking to do business with Envato. One look at their upload page made me go "why bother".

If it is in their interest to have as few contributors and files available, if that's their model (and with absolutely lowest prices aimed at the widest possible market available i sincerely doubt so) then good luck to them. I know that's one company stock I'd never invest in.

No really, is there a submission page that resembles something more akin to current standards, or is that thing all there is?

For footage, yes, it is available only to some authors, correct. I don't know about motion graphics.

Anyway, I kind of like when it's not easy for authors to upload 5,000 files in a week. That means I'm at a greater advantage if I put in the time.

Nothing is worse (for me) than 100,000 new files flooding in with a few clicks.

And regarding company stock, Envato makes more money than Shutterstock, Pond5, etc.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #46 on:** July 08, 2017, 15:46 »

Quote from: Mantis on July 08, 2017, 09:48

This is just another example of voodoo from another agency who purposely misled contributors. They need to come out and make the factual claim that $49=100% regardless of how much they actually charge a customer.

I think you meant to post in the other thread. But, yes, that's true.

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