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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2008, 09:25 »
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Yes, You are right. But in the 'technically superior' category I would be happy to include lighting/composition. This is where IS is very forgiving with their exlusives and this is what I can see on the thumbs as well.


helix7

« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2008, 19:12 »
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Just FYI if any other illustrators/vector artists were wondering, according to Alex the EVO program is currently only open to photographers, but will be opened to illustrators at some point.



« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2008, 04:40 »
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Thanks, Helix. Nice info.

« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2008, 05:03 »
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Just FYI if any other illustrators/vector artists were wondering, according to Alex the EVO program is currently only open to photographers, but will be opened to illustrators at some point.

I'm an illustrator an I got a nice invitation for EVO . :)

« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2008, 15:03 »
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To the credit of IS inspectors, they are more daring to accept more artistic and edgy photos while 123 reviewers tend to be more conservative to spot the trends and visions beyond the technicalities.

« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2008, 15:17 »
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Just FYI if any other illustrators/vector artists were wondering, according to Alex the EVO program is currently only open to photographers, but will be opened to illustrators at some point.

I'm an illustrator an I got a nice invitation for EVO . :)

I think they are referring to Vector submitters rather than "illustrators" in general.

About the EVO idea, I love it, already made my first submissions, I also love the infinite collection, I see the best of micro turning mid/macro in no time.

jsnover

« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2008, 16:24 »
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About the EVO idea, I love it, already made my first submissions, I also love the infinite collection, I see the best of micro turning mid/macro in no time.
Can you elaborate on how you'll divide up your work with these special collections. Will you, for example, submit the same item to Fotolia's Infinite and 123rf's EVO? I know anything in Fotolia Infinite can't be anywhere else micro (because of the price restriction).

I think these programs may be the push I needed into iStock exclusivity. I'm not a top tier player and just don't see any upside for the "other" contributors at these sites - unless it's that buyers will like the "cheap" shots better once Yuri, Andres, etc. are all selling their stuff at the higher prices.

What's that curse - may you live in interesting times?!

lisafx

« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2008, 17:31 »
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Judging by this thread they have certainly been busy sending invitations.  I haven't received one yet, but not sure how bothered I am about that.   I said in the Fotolia Infinite thread that I find it daunting to have to build two portfolios.

 I am curious also about how those that are submitting to the midstock collections are deciding what goes where, and also would like to get some idea how well the higher priced images are selling vs. the micro ones.

jsnover

« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2008, 10:57 »
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EVO - It's not exclusive, neither is it a grab for exclusive images.


From the 123 press release: "Clients can expect EVO images to be of the highest technical quality and with some level of exclusivity as the license for EVO image comes at a small premium"

You can read the rest at http://www.stockphototalk.com/the_stock_photo_industry_/2008/04/evo-123rf-inmag.html

So what, exactly, is "some level" of exclusivity - fewer outlets carry these images? How does that help a buyer in any way - this isn't RM where you know were the image has been.

I guess the proof of the pudding is in the eating - Fotolia's Infinite collection contains a lot of images that honestly look highly similar to others in the "Standard" collection, but are 10 times the price.

Given that the top tier microstock sites have been increasingly strict about quality, it'll be a challenge to make the premium collections really be different (versus just marketed as such).

« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2008, 12:02 »
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EVO - It's not exclusive, neither is it a grab for exclusive images.

I guess the proof of the pudding is in the eating - Fotolia's Infinite collection contains a lot of images that honestly look highly similar to others in the "Standard" collection, but are 10 times the price.

Given that the top tier microstock sites have been increasingly strict about quality, it'll be a challenge to make the premium collections really be different (versus just marketed as such).

Great points... especially the second one...:-

Patrick H.

« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2008, 16:34 »
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Call me cynical, but I can imagine these collections will be very tempting for the copyists....how will the sites prevent copies being made and submitted to the other (normal price) micros?

« Reply #36 on: May 01, 2008, 07:02 »
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About the EVO idea, I love it, already made my first submissions, I also love the infinite collection, I see the best of micro turning mid/macro in no time.
Can you elaborate on how you'll divide up your work with these special collections. Will you, for example, submit the same item to Fotolia's Infinite and 123rf's EVO? I know anything in Fotolia Infinite can't be anywhere else micro (because of the price restriction).


Fotolia infinite files can not be sold at cheaper prices, the EVO collection allows you to match those prices or even sell them slightly more expensive so no problem there.

I am going to shoot exclusively for these collections which can also go to macro sites, I have already a list of 6 or 7 sites I can submit to and I know there are tons more that I will research once I get a substantial macro portfolio as well :p

I am actually planning to not submit to microstock anymore. Maybe I will submit the not so good photos to places like snapvillage or fotolia where photos are reasonably priced and I might do illustrations and start with video and see how that goes.

The level of the best photos in microstock is right up there with the macros nowadays. It is sensible for agencies to create a "premium" collection where the best images in their collections sell for higher prices. Fotolia was the first one to implement it, now 123rf is following and I am 100% sure others will come up with something too.
This is the future and is the natural evolution of microstock.

Photos in microstock are too cheap. Putting the lowest size priced at fotolia from 1-7  to 2-14, then to 3-21, then also trying with some exclusive images from 6 to 42 and now submitting to the infinite collection at 20-140 have made me realize that buyers are willing to pay the price for the right photograph. I know agencies could put their prices up 5 or 6 times and will earn lots and lots more and so would we, but they are scared to do it because then clients would go elsewhere.
My favourite site is fotolia because the more sales you get the more rewards you see at higher prices. That's where I don't see shutterstock competing with the market. They have to introduce individual sales or they will lose the best photographers over time.

So people will copy? hehe yeah there are copiers everywhere, but at least on those higher priced images you don't know what is selling. Generally copiers are lazy *insult removed* and they don't take the time to search and analyze what to copy, they go for something that is in front of them like most selling lists and of course the top 50 at SS which is the biggest source for copying in microstock.


DanP68

« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2008, 22:25 »
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I am actually planning to not submit to microstock anymore. Maybe I will submit the not so good photos to places like snapvillage or fotolia where photos are reasonably priced and I might do illustrations and start with video and see how that goes.



Wow, that's fantastic for you Andres.  I can't help but wonder how many others among the major contributors will make the same move. 

I like the idea of the Infinite Collection and EVO too.  My work is not nearly good enough for those collections today, but it is exciting to think perhaps a few years from now I will be able to "move up" as well. 

One thing for everyone to consider is that major contributors moving up to these top collections, and away from standard microstock, could create a pretty big void to fill.

jsnover

« Reply #38 on: May 01, 2008, 22:47 »
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I like the idea of the Infinite Collection and EVO too.  My work is not nearly good enough for those collections today, but it is exciting to think perhaps a few years from now I will be able to "move up" as well.


Oh I don't know Dan, I'll bet you could match the quality of this little gem :)

http://us.fotolia.com/id/6732372

(I know I should stop trying to find these clunkers, but it's like watching a massive accident when you know you should be focusing on the road ahead - I can't help myself!)

« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2008, 23:04 »
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I like the idea of the Infinite Collection and EVO too.  My work is not nearly good enough for those collections today, but it is exciting to think perhaps a few years from now I will be able to "move up" as well.


Oh I don't know Dan, I'll bet you could match the quality of this little gem :)

http://us.fotolia.com/id/6732372

(I know I should stop trying to find these clunkers, but it's like watching a massive accident when you know you should be focusing on the road ahead - I can't help myself!)



=/

Amazing

DanP68

« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2008, 23:23 »
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LOL!!!  That is so hilarious Jo Ann.  What on earth are they thinking?

I remember the first weekend iStock opened up footage uploading.  I wanted to see what it was all about, and how good the footage was.  So I clicked on what appeared to be a pretty typical beach scene - a simple shot of ocean waves coming in against the sand.

Halfway through the footage, you actually see the camera man's head as he circles around to keep people from walking in front of the camera.   :D  I assume the quality has risen since then...

STJ

« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2008, 00:59 »
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That picture really made me Laugh Out Loud!

I agree that its possible in the near future microstock will slowly evolve back to midstock or even perhaps back to macro again? haha.

But I believe that there are buyers out there who are willing to pay money for better looking photos. Its all for the best.

Photographers getting credit for their hard work, and buyers getting satisfaction from great photos!

« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2008, 03:08 »
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haha that image is really funny. I guess fotolia is accepting agencies representing photographers and they don't review the photos, It must be the only explanation.



lisafx

« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2008, 11:58 »
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Great idea on running the special!   Thanks to 123 for eating the cost of the discount.  Very much appreciated :)

Best of luck on the marketing blitz!

« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2008, 03:57 »
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Just received an invitation today by e-mail to submit to the EVO collection. What a nice surprise and I feel quite honored to have been invited. 

Now that the elation has worn off I am thinking of my future upload strategy. Surely I dont want to submit images that I also submit to the other MS sites.  On the other hand by submitting top quality images exclusively to EVO I may miss out on their true earnings potential, especially in view of the yet unproven success of the EVO collection.  In line with the thinking of Andres I am slowly scaling down on Microstock and working hard on building my Alamy portfolio. That got me thinking: I have both RF and RM images on Alamy that is not on the Microstock sites. Maybe I should use my RF Alamy images (not RM) and submit some of these to the EVO collection. Since the prices is much higher for images in the EVO collection it can not be considered as typical MS and should thus be OK to have them on Alamy and 123RF. What do you think? 
« Last Edit: May 06, 2008, 04:06 by Eco »

« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2008, 04:01 »
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I just got my EVO invite too!  :)

What pricing level is everyone going for?

DanP68

« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2008, 23:13 »
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Alex,

Does 123RF plan to eventually allow anyone to upload their best images for consideration to EVO?  And if so, is there a rough time table for something like that?  I only have a few images which I feel would be of high enough quality, but it would be nice to have that option as my quality grows.

Thanks
Dan
(DanP68 on 123rf)

RT


« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2008, 04:29 »
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Well I don't know if it's just me or whether it's anything to do with EVO but I've noticed a significant drop in my sales at 123RF lately.


 

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