Quote from: sharpshot on May 16, 2012, 08:08
As alamy don't deal with duplicates, can we opt out of supplying alamy through Veer?  I haven't uploaded much of my microstock portfolio to alamy but I will now.  I would rather get 60% commission than 20%.

Is that 20% of 100% or 20% of 60%, which = 12%?

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 16, 2012, 09:03
Is that 20% of 100% or 20% of 60%, which = 12%?

Whatever the percentage one thing is absolutely clear - you'll make a lot less money selling your content on Alamy through Veer than you would by selling it there yourself.

As someone pointed out above after Alamy where else are Veer going to sell your stuff? iStock, Shutterstock, DT, FT - allow them to get away with this and soon you could be getting a small cut of a small percentage on all the microstock sites with your portfolio removed under your own name.

If Veer don't give us a choice, i will leave Veer.

But are you sure that is only Veer? i found one of my photos twice on the Creative Colection (+1 in my colection).

Concerning duplicates...

Actually I've 453 files on Alamy,  and none of them are on creative collection. On Veer I have less than 400 files, and I'm sure they are the same on both sides.

So, images previously sent trough Alamy will be replaced by veer "similar"?

But the fact that we sell our micro images at macro prices does not concern you guys? 

@ Wim

When uploading to Alamy, you have to tell them whether the image is to be sold as RM or RF.

RF on Alamy does not sell at RM prices.

Quote from: rubyroo on May 16, 2012, 11:18
@ Wim

When uploading to Alamy, you have to tell them whether the image is to be sold as RM or RF.

RF on Alamy does not sell at RM prices.

Indeed: it can often be more, depending on usage, and depending on negotiated discounts for certain RM usages.

Quote from: Wim on May 16, 2012, 10:53
But the fact that we sell our micro images at macro prices does not concern you guys? 

Same image different license, hence the price difference. it's not much different to selling the same image across all the microstock sites, each charges a different fee.

However - we are not selling images, we are selling a license to use an image. The standard Alamy RF license is the equivalent to most microstock sites enhanced license where in many cases it's more expensive than buying the from Alamy.

Agreeing with Sue and RT here.

As long as we have done nothing wrong (contractually or ethically), there's no problem.  It's entirely up to the agency how they licence or price the imagery, and we can't control that.

Quote from: ShadySue on May 16, 2012, 11:23

Quote from: rubyroo on May 16, 2012, 11:18
@ Wim

When uploading to Alamy, you have to tell them whether the image is to be sold as RM or RF.

RF on Alamy does not sell at RM prices.

Indeed: it can often be more, depending on usage, and depending on negotiated discounts for certain RM usages.

I have my micro (and macro) port at Alamy, an RF at Alamy sells for much more than an EL on micro.

Quote from: Wim on May 16, 2012, 12:03
I have my micro (and macro) port at Alamy, an RF at Alamy sells for much more than an EL on micro.

An EL on iS covering all possibilities (minus their worthless 'legal guarantee') will cost you $450 (GBP £280 approx) , all of that's included in the standard Alamy RF license which at full price would cost you £210. Don't the Alamy USD figure as I'm in the UK and I get prices in GBP.

Admittedly iS are one of the most expensive micros, but they're also the market leader, and don't forget Alamy discount many of their fees at the drop of the hat, either way the price difference to a buyer on a like for like basis between micro and Alamy is not the difference most people think. From a contributors point of view the price difference is huge as Alamy pay a respectful 60% commission and micros, as we all know, pay a heck of a lot less.

extended licence on photodune ?

Quote from: sharpshot on May 15, 2012, 16:07
I didn't opt in to alamy with Zoonar and it's not Stockfresh, because my photos come under a name that I don't use there.  I asked alamy and they wont let me know who it is, as pseudonyms are confidential.  The site I still think it could be is Veer but would they use alamy when they are part of Corbis?

Yes.  Corbis actually has a collection at Alamy.

Quote from: RT on May 16, 2012, 12:20

Quote from: Wim on May 16, 2012, 12:03
I have my micro (and macro) port at Alamy, an RF at Alamy sells for much more than an EL on micro.

An EL on iS covering all possibilities (minus their worthless 'legal guarantee') will cost you $450 (GBP £280 approx) , all of that's included in the standard Alamy RF license which at full price would cost you £210. Don't the Alamy USD figure as I'm in the UK and I get prices in GBP.

Admittedly iS are one of the most expensive micros, but they're also the market leader, and don't forget Alamy discount many of their fees at the drop of the hat, either way the price difference to a buyer on a like for like basis between micro and Alamy is not the difference most people think. From a contributors point of view the price difference is huge as Alamy pay a respectful 60% commission and micros, as we all know, pay a heck of a lot less.

But iStock also frequently have discount codes, which are disseminated over the web, even if they're only supposed to be for if you tried to get in when the site was down. Plus they have big buyers who can negotiate down from the minimum quoted on the buy credits page. Plus, if CR are to believed, there are gazillions of old 10c credits out there from about 2006. So your $450/$280 EL could easily be under half that.

So no way even to estimate an 'average' sale price on either site. It's all smoke and mirrors.

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