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« Reply #125 on: January 11, 2022, 12:02 »
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Is everyone sure that these tiny sales are distributor sales, they do not show up as minus the distributor's cut on my account or don't they bother showing it when the amounts are so tiny.
I am only asking because I would like to be sure before I opt out of all distributor sales as I have had some reasonably large sales in the past (even after distributor and Alamy share have been deducted)


Uncle Pete

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« Reply #126 on: January 11, 2022, 12:47 »
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Is everyone sure that these tiny sales are distributor sales, they do not show up as minus the distributor's cut on my account or don't they bother showing it when the amounts are so tiny.
I am only asking because I would like to be sure before I opt out of all distributor sales as I have had some reasonably large sales in the past (even after distributor and Alamy share have been deducted)

If they aren't sales, what are they? I mean all sales have a deduction of some kind.

Balance of Account should show something similar to this:

31 May 2021    Sale    2BC2K81    Sale         28.73        11/2021
31 May 2021    Alamy Distribution Commission    2BC2K81    30%    8.62             11/2021
31 May 2021    Distributor Commission    2BC2K81    40% Distributor Commission    11.49         

Alamy takes 30% of the original sale, The distributor gets 40% of the original sale, artist gets 30% of the original sale.

Sold for 28.73 Deductions are -20.11 I was credited 8.62  which ends up being 30% which is shown nowhere in the above.

Your sale report will show this:

1/9/2021   31/5/2021   11/2021   2BC2K81   RF      28.73   -20.11   8.62

I added the colors to hopefully make things match up easier? Last line of the sales report is what I got paid.



Since I don't have one of those terrible sales yet, I can't show you a real example of 15 cents - .045 - .06 = .045 commission

Alamy doesn't make these things easy to see.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2022, 12:49 by Uncle Pete »

« Reply #127 on: January 11, 2022, 12:50 »
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In my case they are clearly labelled as distribution sales (had four of them on Dec 30/31).

I did look at my sales numbers from last year, and (although there were these tiny sales at the end of the year) distribution sales make up 55% of my gross revenue at Alamy (and 44% of my net revenue).
I had four sales last year with a gross revenue above 100$, three of them via distributors.

For now I will not opt out of distribution sales, as much as I dislike selling for pennies...

« Reply #128 on: January 11, 2022, 12:56 »
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BTW, (in case you don't know, and if you do know, it might help someone else) you can see what you've netted for each sale on the 'Net Revenue Sales Report', which is downloadable from your homepage via the 'Download Sales Report' button.

Thank you for the pointer.

Just as a note for others who want to see or download this table, the default organization of it is by Date Paid (drop down list by the date range). If you want to see the most recent "sales" - like the 15 cent nasties - you need to change that to date invoiced. That way things that haven't yet been paid will be in the list

And there are more reports in Alamy's forums of non distributor sales for small amounts - one woman said she had one for (gross)25 cents this week. Opting out of distributor sales will only address part of the problem in other words
« Last Edit: January 11, 2022, 13:18 by Jo Ann Snover »

« Reply #129 on: January 11, 2022, 13:25 »
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In my case they are clearly labelled as distribution sales (had four of them on Dec 30/31).

Either mine was not a distributor sale or Alamy is disregarding the opt-out. I opted out of all distributor sales last April yet still had a $0.15 sale to China on 30 Dec with (unspecified) $0.11 deduction. 


« Reply #130 on: January 11, 2022, 13:34 »
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Sales through Alamy gets you 40% of gross, distributor sales gets you 30% of gross, so I you got 30% thats distributor sale in my opinion.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #131 on: January 11, 2022, 14:05 »
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Sales through Alamy gets you 40% of gross, distributor sales gets you 30% of gross, so I you got 30% thats distributor sale in my opinion.

Yes and I made an example, but: 15 cents  +(- .045) +(- .06) = +.045 commission - also makes me see that the .045 in the front is rounded up to .05 and the .045 for the contributor is rounded down to .04 ? They just picked up a half cent that way. Slick accounting in their favor?


ShadySue

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« Reply #132 on: January 11, 2022, 14:10 »
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Sales through Alamy gets you 40% of gross, distributor sales gets you 30% of gross, so I you got 30% thats distributor sale in my opinion.

Yes and I made an example, but: 15 cents  +(- .045) +(- .06) = +.045 commission - also makes me see that the .045 in the front is rounded up to .05 and the .045 for the contributor is rounded down to .04 ? They just picked up a half cent that way. Slick accounting in their favor?
Ouch, I think Old Alamy usually rounded half cents in our favour.
Just another money scrape by PA. Mony a mickle maks a muckle.

Added: No, I've just noticed I had a (small value) sale this week which had the half cent credited to me.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2022, 15:00 by ShadySue »

« Reply #133 on: January 11, 2022, 14:50 »
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Sales through Alamy gets you 40% of gross, distributor sales gets you 30% of gross, so I you got 30% thats distributor sale in my opinion.

Yes and I made an example, but: 15 cents  +(- .045) +(- .06) = +.045 commission - also makes me see that the .045 in the front is rounded up to .05 and the .045 for the contributor is rounded down to .04 ? They just picked up a half cent that way. Slick accounting in their favor?


it's actually 60% For Alamy of whatever is left after Distributor commission not 50%

« Reply #134 on: January 11, 2022, 14:56 »
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For the sake of balance, if you mention 7cent sales I feel I have an obligation to also mention the huge sales that may occur at Alamy. Two of my examples from the 8 months. $250+ gross each x 40% for the net.

For the "sake of balance", you should say the same thing about those 10 cents from SS.  ;)

 full time work is hard to find these days.

Actually it's the other way around: wherever I turn my head I see "we hire" signs.
There are not enough workers, these days, for all the jobs that are available.
Amount of jobs ads never shows the real status of the market. Huge layer of intermediates ("body shops") repost the same or slightly changed texts. Many employers cannot find employees being linked to aggressive contracts. Many job seekers cannot find a job because they cannot go through "culture" filters of intermediates (understand this as age-gender-origin-agree-with-everything-shut-up) or requirements without any practical base written by people "not in the subject". The things are more complicated. Look for the root cause.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2022, 15:01 by changingsky »

« Reply #135 on: January 11, 2022, 16:17 »
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Sales through Alamy gets you 40% of gross, distributor sales gets you 30% of gross, so I you got 30% thats distributor sale in my opinion.

Yes and I made an example, but: 15 cents  +(- .045) +(- .06) = +.045 commission - also makes me see that the .045 in the front is rounded up to .05 and the .045 for the contributor is rounded down to .04 ? They just picked up a half cent that way. Slick accounting in their favor?


it's actually 60% For Alamy of whatever is left after Distributor commission not 50%

Show me that math I can't see how you got 60%

« Reply #136 on: January 11, 2022, 16:33 »
+1
Sales through Alamy gets you 40% of gross, distributor sales gets you 30% of gross, so I you got 30% thats distributor sale in my opinion.

Yes and I made an example, but: 15 cents  +(- .045) +(- .06) = +.045 commission - also makes me see that the .045 in the front is rounded up to .05 and the .045 for the contributor is rounded down to .04 ? They just picked up a half cent that way. Slick accounting in their favor?


it's actually 60% For Alamy of whatever is left after Distributor commission not 50%

Show me that math I can't see how you got 60%

15 x .4 = 6 cents to distributor leaving 9
9 x .6 = 5.4 they rounded down to 5 leaving 4 for me

« Reply #137 on: January 11, 2022, 17:28 »
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In my case they are clearly labelled as distribution sales (had four of them on Dec 30/31).

Either mine was not a distributor sale or Alamy is disregarding the opt-out. I opted out of all distributor sales last April yet still had a $0.15 sale to China on 30 Dec with (unspecified) $0.11 deduction.

Wether it was a distributor sale or not you will see in your account balance (did they deduct a distribution commission?).
A possible explanation (just guessing) why some people get these sales although they opted out of distribution last year:
It could be that this distributor only reports sales on a yearly basis to Alamy (why else would all these sales appear at year end?).
Therfore sales could be from dates before the opt out...

« Reply #138 on: January 11, 2022, 17:41 »
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Here are two examples from my (soon to be ex) Alamy account. The first is a direct sale for 21 cents gross and the second a distributor sale for 15 cents gross.


« Reply #139 on: January 11, 2022, 18:44 »
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Sales through Alamy gets you 40% of gross, distributor sales gets you 30% of gross, so I you got 30% thats distributor sale in my opinion.

Yes and I made an example, but: 15 cents  +(- .045) +(- .06) = +.045 commission - also makes me see that the .045 in the front is rounded up to .05 and the .045 for the contributor is rounded down to .04 ? They just picked up a half cent that way. Slick accounting in their favor?




it's actually 60% For Alamy of whatever is left after Distributor commission not 50%

Show me that math I can't see how you got 60%

it's what the contract says.


« Reply #140 on: January 12, 2022, 00:03 »
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I got a usual pap response from my e-mail asking about them and if there was a way to avoid sales that low...

"... but sometimes these prices look small when compared with similar licenses in the UK & US."


This is the funny part.

The prices do not only look small, they ARE small.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #141 on: January 12, 2022, 11:14 »
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Sales through Alamy gets you 40% of gross, distributor sales gets you 30% of gross, so I you got 30% thats distributor sale in my opinion.

Yes and I made an example, but: 15 cents  +(- .045) +(- .06) = +.045 commission - also makes me see that the .045 in the front is rounded up to .05 and the .045 for the contributor is rounded down to .04 ? They just picked up a half cent that way. Slick accounting in their favor?


it's actually 60% For Alamy of whatever is left after Distributor commission not 50%

Show me that math I can't see how you got 60%

No Distributor = Alamy takes 60% we get 40%

But the discussion was distributor sales, not the Alamy sales.

15 cent license:

Distributor 30% of 15 cents = .045
Alamy 40% of 15 cents = .06
Artist 30% of 15 cents = .045
total 100% = 15 cents


Alamy does not take 60% of a Distributor Sale?

Edit = Yes they do since June 2021

« Last Edit: January 21, 2022, 13:28 by Uncle Pete »

« Reply #142 on: January 12, 2022, 11:53 »
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They changed that.

What it says on my statement (and I recall that is also what was in their changed terms):

- sale: 0.15
- Alamy distribution commission 60% of net: 0.05
- 40% distributor commission: 0.06

Only the order of the last two lines is confusing, as they first deduct the distributor commission and then take their own commission (60% of net, which ends up as 36% of the gross value).
So with distribution sales you end up with 24% of the gross value.

And in this case their 60% of net would be 60% of 0.09 = 0.054, but they did deduct 0.05, so they did round in our favour.
Not that it matters much, they should simply not allow sales at these low values.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #143 on: January 12, 2022, 12:20 »
+1
They changed that.

What it says on my statement (and I recall that is also what was in their changed terms):

- sale: 0.15
- Alamy distribution commission 60% of net: 0.05
- 40% distributor commission: 0.06

Only the order of the last two lines is confusing, as they first deduct the distributor commission and then take their own commission (60% of net, which ends up as 36% of the gross value).
So with distribution sales you end up with 24% of the gross value.

And in this case their 60% of net would be 60% of 0.09 = 0.054, but they did deduct 0.05, so they did round in our favour.
Not that it matters much, they should simply not allow sales at these low values.

Oh, so my modern math isn't quite right?  Even though the numbers add up? And that's the way they show it on my balance sheet?

31 May 2021    Sale    2BC2K81    Sale         28.73        
31 May 2021    Alamy Distribution Commission    2BC2K81    30%    8.62            
31 May 2021    Distributor Commission    2BC2K81    40% Distributor Commission    11.49             
8.62 + 11.49 = $20.11

Net revenue sales report
Sale       Deduction   Due
28.73   -20.11   8.62

That sure looks like Alamy 30%, Distributor 40% and I get 30% ?


What am I doing wrong?

Contract changed and I haven't had a distributor sale since May, that's what's wrong.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2022, 13:29 by Uncle Pete »

« Reply #144 on: January 12, 2022, 12:34 »
+1
They changed that.

What it says on my statement (and I recall that is also what was in their changed terms):

- sale: 0.15
- Alamy distribution commission 60% of net: 0.05
- 40% distributor commission: 0.06

Only the order of the last two lines is confusing, as they first deduct the distributor commission and then take their own commission (60% of net, which ends up as 36% of the gross value).
So with distribution sales you end up with 24% of the gross value.

And in this case their 60% of net would be 60% of 0.09 = 0.054, but they did deduct 0.05, so they did round in our favour.
Not that it matters much, they should simply not allow sales at these low values.

Oh, so my modern math isn't quite right?  Even though the numbers add up? And that's the way they show it on my balance sheet?

31 May 2021    Sale    2BC2K81    Sale         28.73        
31 May 2021    Alamy Distribution Commission    2BC2K81    30%    8.62            
31 May 2021    Distributor Commission    2BC2K81    40% Distributor Commission    11.49             
8.62 + 11.49 = $20.11

Net revenue sales report
Sale       Deduction   Due
28.73   -20.11   8.62

That sure looks like Alamy 30%, Distributor 40% and I get 30% ?

What am I doing wrong?

That was before the contract change. Can't remember exactly at what date they changed the contract, it was around middle of the year.
Everything on my account balance up to early June looks like you describe it (40% distributor, 30% Alamy, 30% for me).
The next distributor sale I got was on August 31, there it says what I wrote above (40% distributor, 60% of net Alamy, rest =24% for me).

« Reply #145 on: January 12, 2022, 12:42 »
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dirkr is right, I remember having 2 bigger sales last year, and I was dissapointed, when I found out I don't get 30% but lest, I think it was 24% or sth.

gross                         my net
127.36   -96.79   30.57

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #146 on: January 12, 2022, 12:54 »
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They changed that.

What it says on my statement (and I recall that is also what was in their changed terms):

- sale: 0.15
- Alamy distribution commission 60% of net: 0.05
- 40% distributor commission: 0.06

Only the order of the last two lines is confusing, as they first deduct the distributor commission and then take their own commission (60% of net, which ends up as 36% of the gross value).
So with distribution sales you end up with 24% of the gross value.

And in this case their 60% of net would be 60% of 0.09 = 0.054, but they did deduct 0.05, so they did round in our favour.
Not that it matters much, they should simply not allow sales at these low values.

Oh, so my modern math isn't quite right?  Even though the numbers add up? And that's the way they show it on my balance sheet?

31 May 2021    Sale    2BC2K81    Sale         28.73        
31 May 2021    Alamy Distribution Commission    2BC2K81    30%    8.62            
31 May 2021    Distributor Commission    2BC2K81    40% Distributor Commission    11.49             
8.62 + 11.49 = $20.11

Net revenue sales report
Sale       Deduction   Due
28.73   -20.11   8.62

That sure looks like Alamy 30%, Distributor 40% and I get 30% ?

What am I doing wrong?

That was before the contract change. Can't remember exactly at what date they changed the contract, it was around middle of the year.
Everything on my account balance up to early June looks like you describe it (40% distributor, 30% Alamy, 30% for me).
The next distributor sale I got was on August 31, there it says what I wrote above (40% distributor, 60% of net Alamy, rest =24% for me).

Thank You for explaining!  :) Now I have to look closer. Boy, thank you Alamy for finding another way to take more and pay us less. Just can't wait for the new contract levels to kick in in June.

Nope no distributor sales since May. But I'll be watching!

Thanks for correcting me.

dirkr is right, I remember having 2 bigger sales last year, and I was dissapointed, when I found out I don't get 30% but lest, I think it was 24% or sth.

gross                         my net
127.36   -96.79   30.57

Just can't wait?

thijsdegraaf

« Reply #147 on: January 12, 2022, 12:59 »
+1
This is what I got in January.  I just think it's complicated.  :o   

So 23,91 - 8,61 - 9,56 = 5,74 for me.  = about 24%
« Last Edit: January 12, 2022, 13:27 by thijsdegraaf »

« Reply #148 on: January 12, 2022, 13:08 »
+1
They changed that.

What it says on my statement (and I recall that is also what was in their changed terms):

- sale: 0.15
- Alamy distribution commission 60% of net: 0.05
- 40% distributor commission: 0.06

Only the order of the last two lines is confusing, as they first deduct the distributor commission and then take their own commission (60% of net, which ends up as 36% of the gross value).
So with distribution sales you end up with 24% of the gross value.

And in this case their 60% of net would be 60% of 0.09 = 0.054, but they did deduct 0.05, so they did round in our favour.
Not that it matters much, they should simply not allow sales at these low values.

Oh, so my modern math isn't quite right?  Even though the numbers add up? And that's the way they show it on my balance sheet?

31 May 2021    Sale    2BC2K81    Sale         28.73        
31 May 2021    Alamy Distribution Commission    2BC2K81    30%    8.62            
31 May 2021    Distributor Commission    2BC2K81    40% Distributor Commission    11.49             
8.62 + 11.49 = $20.11

Net revenue sales report
Sale       Deduction   Due
28.73   -20.11   8.62

That sure looks like Alamy 30%, Distributor 40% and I get 30% ?

What am I doing wrong?

That was before the contract change. Can't remember exactly at what date they changed the contract, it was around middle of the year.
Everything on my account balance up to early June looks like you describe it (40% distributor, 30% Alamy, 30% for me).
The next distributor sale I got was on August 31, there it says what I wrote above (40% distributor, 60% of net Alamy, rest =24% for me).

Thank You for explaining!  :) Now I have to look closer. Boy, thank you Alamy for finding another way to take more and pay us less. Just can't wait for the new contract levels to kick in in June.

Nope no distributor sales since May. But I'll be watching!

Thanks for correcting me.

dirkr is right, I remember having 2 bigger sales last year, and I was dissapointed, when I found out I don't get 30% but lest, I think it was 24% or sth.

gross                         my net
127.36   -96.79   30.57

Just can't wait?

Wait wut?

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #149 on: January 12, 2022, 13:10 »
+1

Just can't wait?

Wait wut?

Can't wait for my first crappy distributor sale in 2022 and hopefully it's not one of the 7 cent kind.


 

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