Author Topic: Alamy sale for 7 cents (Read 50920 times)

henri · « **on:** December 04, 2021, 02:42 »

Just had a huge sale, my share is 7 cents.

The deal is this:

Usage: Editorial, Use in syndicated editorial news features, single context only. Includes archive rights in-perpetuity.
Media: Newspaper - national

Print run: Unlimited
Placement: National
Image Size: up to full area

Duration: In perpetuity

Alamy was acquired by PA Media 2020. It is part of PA Media Group Limited, a private company with 26 shareholders, most of whom are national and regional newspaper publishers. The biggest shareholders include the Daily Mail and General Trust, News UK, and Informa.

So 7 cents, unlimited print runs in perpetuity for all shareholders of PA Media. Includes archive rights in-perpetuity...

Firn · « **Reply #1 on:** December 04, 2021, 05:21 »

Congratulations! You got 47% more than me for a sale with the same licence type on Alamy last month.

blue · « **Reply #2 on:** December 04, 2021, 05:22 »

This is liberalism

ShadySue · « **Reply #3 on:** December 04, 2021, 05:31 »

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/15013-has-alamy-become-micro-stock-agency

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/15088-image-sold-for-0

It could be argued that they're just responding to micro prices.

ShadySue · « **Reply #4 on:** December 04, 2021, 05:32 »

Quote from: blue on December 04, 2021, 05:22

This is liberalism

Clearly, it's capitalism.

Mimi the Cat · « **Reply #5 on:** December 04, 2021, 05:36 »

Just be thankful you aren't a musician earning nothing from Apple, Spotify, Youtube and all those other chiselling sh-its

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59518090

Level6 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 04, 2021, 10:46 »

Quote from: Mimi the Cat on December 04, 2021, 05:36

Just be thankful you aren't a musician earning nothing from Apple, Spotify, Youtube and all those other chiselling sh-its

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59518090

Thanks for finding and posting that, this is EXACTLY the way the stock agencies (startups) are going and this is a ticket to bankruptcy and it doesn't matter what agency, video or stills.

As much as we all love doing the work I think we need to realize this has become a hobby that might pay once in a while.

I am going bankrupt and since I do editorial I sell on Pond5 and I just wish these agencies (startups) had the honesty to tell contributors they are no longer able to make a living here and they are changing their business model.

I think only one that was honest enough to do that was Videoblocks when they stopped allowing individual contributors to sell on their platform.

The rest treat us like scum. I don't understand startup culture I guess.

Level6 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 04, 2021, 14:13 »

Quote from: Mimi the Cat on December 04, 2021, 05:36

Just be thankful you aren't a musician earning nothing from Apple, Spotify, Youtube and all those other chiselling sh-its

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59518090

Here's another one and a must read: https://www.businessinsider.com/taylor-swift-doesnt-need-streaming-royalties-former-spotify-boss-said-2021-7

The stock agencies have become like a cartel, no matter what you do and try to sell your videos or photos you're playing by their rules and paying to come to work and lose money or you're not playing.

"This thing of ours" controls the industry.

Mimi the Cat · « **Reply #8 on:** December 05, 2021, 00:36 »

Quote from: Level6 on December 04, 2021, 10:46

Quote from: Mimi the Cat on December 04, 2021, 05:36
Just be thankful you aren't a musician earning nothing from Apple, Spotify, Youtube and all those other chiselling sh-its

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59518090

Thanks for finding and posting that, this is EXACTLY the way the stock agencies (startups) are going and this is a ticket to bankruptcy and it doesn't matter what agency, video or stills.

As much as we all love doing the work I think we need to realize this has become a hobby that might pay once in a while.

I am going bankrupt and since I do editorial I sell on Pond5 and I just wish these agencies (startups) had the honesty to tell contributors they are no longer able to make a living here and they are changing their business model.

I think only one that was honest enough to do that was Videoblocks when they stopped allowing individual contributors to sell on their platform.

The rest treat us like scum. I don't understand startup culture I guess.

Start up culture disguises itself as warm, keeping it real, disrupting, inclusive, diversity celebration and all the usual BS that gets lapped up by certain sectors of the population while practicing good old fashioned rapacious corporate values worthy of a 19th century cotton mill owner.

Brasilnut · « **Reply #9 on:** December 05, 2021, 07:17 »

For the sake of balance, if you mention 7cent sales I feel I have an obligation to also mention the huge sales that may occur at Alamy. Two of my examples from the 8 months. $250+ gross each x 40% for the net.

ouatedeP · « **Reply #10 on:** December 06, 2021, 06:14 »

Quote from: Brasilnut on December 05, 2021, 07:17

For the sake of balance, if you mention 7cent sales I feel I have an obligation to also mention the huge sales that may occur at Alamy. Two of my examples from the 8 months. $250+ gross each x 40% for the net.

nice. Shouldn't the one in April have been 50% since it was prior to the contract change?

Myphotobase · « **Reply #11 on:** December 06, 2021, 07:58 »

Quote from: ShadySue on December 04, 2021, 05:31

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/15013-has-alamy-become-micro-stock-agency

https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/15088-image-sold-for-0

It could be argued that they're just responding to micro prices.

Time to rename Microstock --> NanoStock ... or go directly to Picostock, don't pass Go and don't claim 200$ !

Zero Talent · « **Reply #12 on:** December 06, 2021, 09:55 »

Quote from: Brasilnut on December 05, 2021, 07:17

For the sake of balance, if you mention 7cent sales I feel I have an obligation to also mention the huge sales that may occur at Alamy. Two of my examples from the 8 months. $250+ gross each x 40% for the net.

For the "sake of balance", you should say the same thing about those 10 cents from SS.

For Real · « **Reply #13 on:** December 06, 2021, 10:16 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on December 06, 2021, 09:55

Quote from: Brasilnut on December 05, 2021, 07:17
For the sake of balance, if you mention 7cent sales I feel I have an obligation to also mention the huge sales that may occur at Alamy. Two of my examples from the 8 months. $250+ gross each x 40% for the net.

For the "sake of balance", you should say the same thing about those 10 cents from SS.

Oh, he gets his share of Jon tossing him a few dimes each day

Level6 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 06, 2021, 10:27 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on December 06, 2021, 09:55

Quote from: Brasilnut on December 05, 2021, 07:17
For the sake of balance, if you mention 7cent sales I feel I have an obligation to also mention the huge sales that may occur at Alamy. Two of my examples from the 8 months. $250+ gross each x 40% for the net.

For the "sake of balance", you should say the same thing about those 10 cents from SS.

This implies that we should perhaps keep our content on the sites as once in awhile one of those rare high prices sales could come through but we all have to find new full time work as this is barely a hobby that pays most of the time and that full time work is hard to find these days.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #15 on:** December 06, 2021, 10:35 »

Quote from: Level6 on December 06, 2021, 10:27

Quote from: Zero Talent on December 06, 2021, 09:55
Quote from: Brasilnut on December 05, 2021, 07:17
For the sake of balance, if you mention 7cent sales I feel I have an obligation to also mention the huge sales that may occur at Alamy. Two of my examples from the 8 months. $250+ gross each x 40% for the net.

For the "sake of balance", you should say the same thing about those 10 cents from SS.

full time work is hard to find these days.

Actually it's the other way around: wherever I turn my head I see "we hire" signs.
There are not enough workers, these days, for all the jobs that are available.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #16 on:** December 06, 2021, 11:43 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on December 06, 2021, 09:55

Quote from: Brasilnut on December 05, 2021, 07:17
For the sake of balance, if you mention 7cent sales I feel I have an obligation to also mention the huge sales that may occur at Alamy. Two of my examples from the 8 months. $250+ gross each x 40% for the net.

For the "sake of balance", you should say the same thing about those 10 cents from SS.

Yes, 10c balance, and my usual, then include iStock at even worse, and I'll leave out Connect:

Type Royalty Month Date Sale Getty ID Invoice Number Gross Royalty Royalty Rate License Fee File Type Collection Product Type Site Region Territory
Regular 2021-08 8/12/2021 1282483019 "OD-123275912" 0.01200 15% 0.08000 Creative Image iStockphoto RF Image "Partner Portal" non-US "China"

$0.012 commission, under 2 cents sold August 2021, my 15% of 8 cents

thijsdegraaf · « **Reply #17 on:** December 06, 2021, 13:09 »

Good news for me at Alamy:
. I haven't sold anything under $5 gross yet.
. Received my first $50 from Alamy in October. (started in June 2020)
Bad news: Nothing sold after that

For Real · « **Reply #18 on:** December 06, 2021, 14:07 »

Quote from: Level6 on December 06, 2021, 10:27

Quote from: Zero Talent on December 06, 2021, 09:55
Quote from: Brasilnut on December 05, 2021, 07:17
For the sake of balance, if you mention 7cent sales I feel I have an obligation to also mention the huge sales that may occur at Alamy. Two of my examples from the 8 months. $250+ gross each x 40% for the net.

For the "sake of balance", you should say the same thing about those 10 cents from SS.

This implies that we should perhaps keep our content on the sites as once in awhile one of those rare high prices sales could come through but we all have to find new full time work as this is barely a hobby that pays most of the time and that full time work is hard to find these days.

well stated!

thijsdegraaf · « **Reply #19 on:** December 06, 2021, 14:12 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on December 06, 2021, 10:35

Quote from: Level6 on December 06, 2021, 10:27
Quote from: Zero Talent on December 06, 2021, 09:55
Quote from: Brasilnut on December 05, 2021, 07:17
For the sake of balance, if you mention 7cent sales I feel I have an obligation to also mention the huge sales that may occur at Alamy. Two of my examples from the 8 months. $250+ gross each x 40% for the net.

For the "sake of balance", you should say the same thing about those 10 cents from SS.

full time work is hard to find these days.

Actually it's the other way around: wherever I turn my head I see "we hire" signs.
There are not enough workers, these days, for all the jobs that are available.

That probably depends on the country you live in. There is also very little unemployment in the Netherlands, even though it was predicted because of Corona.

Pixingphotos · « **Reply #20 on:** December 06, 2021, 14:55 »

Quote from: thijsdegraaf on December 06, 2021, 14:12

Quote from: Zero Talent on December 06, 2021, 10:35
Quote from: Level6 on December 06, 2021, 10:27
Quote from: Zero Talent on December 06, 2021, 09:55
Quote from: Brasilnut on December 05, 2021, 07:17
For the sake of balance, if you mention 7cent sales I feel I have an obligation to also mention the huge sales that may occur at Alamy. Two of my examples from the 8 months. $250+ gross each x 40% for the net.

For the "sake of balance", you should say the same thing about those 10 cents from SS.

full time work is hard to find these days.

Actually it's the other way around: wherever I turn my head I see "we hire" signs.
There are not enough workers, these days, for all the jobs that are available.

That probably depends on the country you live in. There is also very little unemployment in the Netherlands, even though it was predicted because of Corona.

Same in Canada, businesses are closing because they can't find employees, and salaries are going up way too fast...

For Real · « **Reply #21 on:** December 06, 2021, 21:46 »

Quote from: Pixingphotos on December 06, 2021, 14:55

Quote from: thijsdegraaf on December 06, 2021, 14:12
Quote from: Zero Talent on December 06, 2021, 10:35
Quote from: Level6 on December 06, 2021, 10:27
Quote from: Zero Talent on December 06, 2021, 09:55
Quote from: Brasilnut on December 05, 2021, 07:17
For the sake of balance, if you mention 7cent sales I feel I have an obligation to also mention the huge sales that may occur at Alamy. Two of my examples from the 8 months. $250+ gross each x 40% for the net.

For the "sake of balance", you should say the same thing about those 10 cents from SS.

full time work is hard to find these days.

Actually it's the other way around: wherever I turn my head I see "we hire" signs.
There are not enough workers, these days, for all the jobs that are available.

That probably depends on the country you live in. There is also very little unemployment in the Netherlands, even though it was predicted because of Corona.

Same in Canada, businesses are closing because they can't find employees, and salaries are going up way too fast...

My brother in law closed his pizza shop a few months ago due to the min wage at $16 per hour. He had the business for almost 15 years. Lot's of small businesses are folding here in Seattle...

Level6 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 07, 2021, 00:22 »

That probably depends on the country you live in. There is also very little unemployment in the Netherlands, even though it was predicted because of Corona.
[/quote]

Same in Canada, businesses are closing because they can't find employees, and salaries are going up way too fast...
[/quote]

I have a question, I am also from Canada, Ontario Canada and the media keep running these stories about businesses not being able to find workers, "no one wants to work" they say, and and yet so many of us can't find jobs, every homeless shelter in Ontario is full, I am one of those desperately looking for work as I am going bankrupt after sales ended at Pond5 this fall and didn't come back and probably aren't coming back.

I am one of those people who will do "anything I can do" as long as my health permits and in fact do enjoy the variety of work, I love driving, I used to do building maintenance and cleaning, I love cars and trucks, painting, hardware store like Canadian Tire or Home depot?, totally could do that, I'm good at hardware tech but don't have a related degree but "anything I can do" and I can start tomorrow because stock video is ending if it hasn't ended already, it's literally a ticket to bankruptcy.

As the hosts of the local Italian radio program here say when they give advise to those who can't find work, "As long you're doing something, anything you do you do it". and that's me.

I actually started looking for new work in May 2021 and now desperately looking as stock is dead. "Employers can't find workers"?, I can start tomorrow yet I can't find a job, no one will hire me, everyone wants "experience", 3-5 years experience, 3-5 management references, a work history with at least 5 employers on it and no gaps in employment, one of them had a requirement that applicants had have been on or a captain of a varsity sports team when in school.....that was for a car wash and detailing job a car rental place, I play Pokémon GO but that's eSports and didn't count.

My background for the last 12 years is not the mafia but media, stock media, clean police and driving record as well but I have been a stock video producer which is self-employment and part of the gig economy, self employment is the kiss of death is seems.

Most of the times I don't hear back when I apply, I've worn the paint off the keyboard on my laptop this summer applying for jobs but when I go in person and the few interviews I've had these are some of the excuses I get, "This job isn't for you", "we don't think you're a culture fit", "you can do something better than this", "most of our crew is Indian and you wouldn't fit in", "you should stay in your field there's lots of money in photography".

And then there's my past, again, media, not mafia but I've gotten multiple times from the fast food places, grocery stores and Walmart, "we need 3-5 employment references" and we need a continuous employment history without any gaps.

And so I asked one time when they said that, would you hire a food delivery or uber driver who is looking for a career change? and the instant answer was no, we need a more traditional employment history with references not any form of self-employment, you can't be one of the references.

If you listen to the Canadian and US media you would think there is a shortage of workers or something, if there is then what are people doing to earn a living and pay these rents that have gone to the moon?.

I listen to an Italian radio program here every weekend in my town and the two hosts like to chat between songs a lot and they're always giving advice to people both young and not so young on the right attitude when it comes to jobs and how hard it is to find a job and all that matters is "you are doing something, anything you can do as long as you're going something", "doesn't have to be in your field right away just anything you can do you do it, as long as you're working".

I supposed my favorite job would be driving but I'd be just as happy cleaning hotel rooms or vacuuming floors.

thijsdegraaf · « **Reply #23 on:** December 07, 2021, 02:56 »

Quote from: Level6 on December 07, 2021, 00:22

I have a question, I am also from Canada, Ontario Canada and the media keep running these stories about businesses not being able to find workers, "no one wants to work" they say, and and yet so many of us can't find jobs, every homeless shelter in Ontario is full, I am one of those desperately looking for work as I am going bankrupt after sales ended at Pond5 this fall and didn't come back and probably aren't coming back.

I am one of those people who will do "anything I can do" as long as my health permits and in fact do enjoy the variety of work, I love driving, I used to do building maintenance and cleaning, I love cars and trucks, painting, hardware store like Canadian Tire or Home depot?, totally could do that, I'm good at hardware tech but don't have a related degree but "anything I can do" and I can start tomorrow because stock video is ending if it hasn't ended already, it's literally a ticket to bankruptcy.

.........

And so I asked one time when they said that, would you hire a food delivery or uber driver who is looking for a career change? and the instant answer was no, we need a more traditional employment history with references not any form of self-employment, you can't be one of the references.

If you listen to the Canadian and US media you would think there is a shortage of workers or something, if there is then what are people doing to earn a living and pay these rents that have gone to the moon?.

I listen to an Italian radio program here every weekend in my town and the two hosts like to chat between songs a lot and they're always giving advice to people both young and not so young on the right attitude when it comes to jobs and how hard it is to find a job and all that matters is "you are doing something, anything you can do as long as you're going something", "doesn't have to be in your field right away just anything you can do you do it, as long as you're working".

I supposed my favorite job would be driving but I'd be just as happy cleaning hotel rooms or vacuuming floors.

I know the feeling. I had studied civil engineering and came out of military service in 1972 and then applied many times in vain. At that point it went really bad. Lots of unemployed construction workers. The sad thing was that it was said that I had been out too long. While military service was compulsory at the time. In the end I became a technical draftsman for warehouse systems. Continued to study to become a teacher. When I was done, things went bad in education. Because of my background I found a job quite easily, but we were cut on our wages.
We currently have re-scoring programs in the Netherlands. I don't know what it's like in Canada.
There is a shortage of truck drivers, construction workers, etc. There are also those who are independent parcel deliverers (but work hard for too little pay)
In any case, I wish you luck.

Level6 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 07, 2021, 11:57 »

I know the feeling. I had studied civil engineering and came out of military service in 1972 and then applied many times in vain. At that point it went really bad. Lots of unemployed construction workers. The sad thing was that it was said that I had been out too long. While military service was compulsory at the time. In the end I became a technical draftsman for warehouse systems. Continued to study to become a teacher. When I was done, things went bad in education. Because of my background I found a job quite easily, but we were cut on our wages.
We currently have re-scoring programs in the Netherlands. I don't know what it's like in Canada.
There is a shortage of truck drivers, construction workers, etc. There are also those who are independent parcel deliverers (but work hard for too little pay)
In any case, I wish you luck.
[/quote]

Thanks , I am not trained in any of the skilled trades so construction is not an option right now, there is supposedly a shortage of truck drivers but it costs $10,000 to train and get the class A license to go work and often you have to buy or lease the truck.

We had a lot of those parcel delivery drivers using small vans and delivering for Amazon but you need to lease the van and then work 12-15 hour days and make 150 deliveries and still lose money.

Same with the food delivery, some days as good and others you are paying to come to work just like stock footage.

I've talked to some career advisors and they say well try and get student loans and go back to school for four years and learn something that's in demand like programming or cyber security but at the end of the day I would still have to apply for jobs and face the same problems, self-employed past, camera work, and no management references due to being self employed.

My biggest regret was getting into video, in particular stock, I was making $3500/month on Pond5 alone and about $800/month on SSTK and all with editorial content, then in April 2019 things changed and it went downhill and then SSTK made it's changes and I stupidly hung on and now it's a massive bankruptcy and since I operated as a sole proprietor it's a personal bankruptcy that will be on my record for 7 years.

I applied for a job delivering car parts and they need a credit check and a credit score of 730+ and no exceptions, this is to work there not buy the company!.

You mentioned lots of unemployed construction workers, that's the exact reason I went to school for photography and not skilled trades, there was a severe recession at the time and all the trades got laid off, work stopped on construction sites and buildings left unfinished.

I had wanted to be an electrician at the time but there was just no hope so I ended up going down this path and I love the work and it served me well but I just wish I'd gotten out in April 2019 when sales crashed at Pond5.

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Author Topic: Alamy sale for 7 cents (Read 50920 times)

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