Author Topic: At last my first sale (Read 24739 times)

goldenangel · « **Reply #25 on:** December 08, 2008, 11:27 »

Congratulations Fran!

madelaide · « **Reply #26 on:** December 08, 2008, 16:21 »

Congrats, Fran. This is very exciting.

Regards,
Adelaide

Sophia · « **Reply #27 on:** December 08, 2008, 16:26 »

Well done!

traveler1116 · « **Reply #28 on:** December 08, 2008, 20:43 »

Do you guys upload the same images on the Micros that you do at Alamy for RF, obviously not RM?

madelaide · « **Reply #29 on:** December 08, 2008, 20:56 »

Quote from: traveler1116 on December 08, 2008, 20:43

Do you guys upload the same images on the Micros that you do at Alamy for RF, obviously not RM?

We should make this a sticky thread!

This has been discussed in many other threads already, such as these three:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?topic=6311.0
http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?topic=5738.0
http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?topic=5092.0

Many people do, many people don't and won't do. Alamy doesn't say you can not do it, I think it's up to you to do it or not.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #30 on:** December 09, 2008, 00:39 »

Why would someone want to sell the same photo for 39 cents that they can sell for $150 and at the same time risk that the buyer will see it on the micro site and buy it there instead? Why would someone risk the buyer finding it on micro and being mighty upset that they just payed $200 when they could buy it on demand on a micro for $5. Then they return the photo to Alamy, and say they didn't use it, and go buy the same for $5.

How much is you name and reputation worth? A few dollars in micro sales?

Some do it, some think it's unethical and bad business to sell the identical product it two markets for such wide differences in price.

You get a flat tire and go to the store, because need to replace it. You get a new one for $66. The next day you drive past a different shop and see the same tire size and brand for $22, the manufacturers list price. How unhappy would you be that the first place just ripped you off.

Is it somehow different if you are a buyer getting stung for four times the price for the identical product, but alright to do that to someone else, charging 40 times the price, when you are the seller?

e-person · « **Reply #31 on:** December 09, 2008, 05:08 »

It's not the same.

I will be short: size, licence, RF. Check differences, before going on with this microstock vs Alamy debate.

Besides, Alamy is very much overrated, you need thousands of photos to make yearly sales at the level of hundreds on microstock. But of course RM editorial (travel, sports, etc) is better suited to Alamy rather than micros.

Also, come on, people asking how to pass QC on Alamy! I would not call them photographers...

Microbius · « **Reply #32 on:** December 09, 2008, 07:26 »

Quote from: e-person on December 09, 2008, 05:08

It's not the same.

I will be short: size, licence, RF. Check differences, before going on with this microstock vs Alamy debate.

Besides, Alamy is very much overrated, you need thousands of photos to make yearly sales at the level of hundreds on microstock. But of course RM editorial (travel, sports, etc) is better suited to Alamy rather than micros.

Also, come on, people asking how to pass QC on Alamy! I would not call them photographers...

Agreed. Case closed

hali · « **Reply #33 on:** December 09, 2008, 08:28 »

Quote from: RacePhoto on December 09, 2008, 00:39

Why would someone want to sell the same photo for 39 cents that they can sell for $150 and at the same time risk that the buyer will see it on the micro site and buy it there instead? Why would someone risk the buyer finding it on micro and being mighty upset that they just payed $200 when they could buy it on demand on a micro for $5. Then they return the photo to Alamy, and say they didn't use it, and go buy the same for $5.

How much is you name and reputation worth? A few dollars in micro sales?

Some do it, some think it's unethical and bad business to sell the identical product it two markets for such wide differences in price.

You get a flat tire and go to the store, because need to replace it. You get a new one for $66. The next day you drive past a different shop and see the same tire size and brand for $22, the manufacturers list price. How unhappy would you be that the first place just ripped you off.

Is it somehow different if you are a buyer getting stung for four times the price for the identical product, but alright to do that to someone else, charging 40 times the price, when you are the seller?

i am in total agreement with you . but obviously not everyone sees it the same as us too.
as adelaide said, it's up to you.
i suppose the final say will be the buyer, as maybe in the short run the sales of both alamy and micro of the same image may be rewarding, until like you said, they find out it was actually obtainable at peanut prices at micro. then, the consequence would be drastic.
unless, the same contributor uses a different name on micro , and alamy.
which could bring up yet another topic: is that honest?

Microbius · « **Reply #34 on:** December 09, 2008, 10:34 »

Quote from: hali on December 09, 2008, 08:28

i am in total agreement with you . but obviously not everyone sees it the same as us too.
as adelaide said, it's up to you.
i suppose the final say will be the buyer, as maybe in the short run the sales of both alamy and micro of the same image may be rewarding, until like you said, they find out it was actually obtainable at peanut prices at micro. then, the consequence would be drastic.
unless, the same contributor uses a different name on micro , and alamy.
which could bring up yet another topic: is that honest?

Yes, yes it is

RacePhoto · « **Reply #35 on:** December 09, 2008, 13:16 »

Quote from: Microbius on December 09, 2008, 10:34

Quote from: hali on December 09, 2008, 08:28

i am in total agreement with you . but obviously not everyone sees it the same as us too.
as adelaide said, it's up to you.
i suppose the final say will be the buyer, as maybe in the short run the sales of both alamy and micro of the same image may be rewarding, until like you said, they find out it was actually obtainable at peanut prices at micro. then, the consequence would be drastic.
unless, the same contributor uses a different name on micro , and alamy.
which could bring up yet another topic: is that honest?

Yes, yes it is

I understand, and I'm just making my case from my personal viewpoint. I also believe that people can make their own choices and decisions. Maybe better said as, are free to and should make their own decisions. Done deal, I spoke my mind.

Since everything but a few images on Alamy are Editorial for me, I don't have any conflict of interest. Life is simple.

Yes I use the same name, but that's only because I was too stupid to come up with a classy pseudo for micro in the first place.

I'm vain and want people who use my editorial photos from Alamy to have my name on them, not credited an anonymous pseudonym. As some people have mentioned, having your name seen can sometimes lead to more work.

Alamy Contract: "2.2 You cannot submit identical or similar images to Alamy as both Royalty-Free and Rights Managed. The licence type on Alamy for an image must be the same as the licence type for that image and similar images which you have on other agency websites."

ChrisRabior · « **Reply #36 on:** December 21, 2008, 19:45 »

Something to keep in mind about Alamy is that buyers can get their money refunded. If you spent 8,000 on an image (which someone just did for an image of a castle in England) and then found that same image for a few bucks on a micro, how quick would you be refunding your 8k? Pretty easy why you wouldn't want to offer those images at RF and RM.

As far as Alamy, I've had 7 sales for a nice total of about $1200 in under a year with a relatively small portfolio (500 images)..and an average of one sale for every 10 zooms. Not a bad way to go. Beats . out of anything I ever got out of the microstocks, and should be even more lucrative once I actually get off my butt and upload the rest of my collection.

stock shooter · « **Reply #37 on:** December 21, 2008, 23:29 »

For the record, I have been averaging about 1 sale per month per 1000 images on Alamy. in 2007 I netted $2600 from 2000 images, will be less this year. Not expensive production shots, no amazing travel, just pretty simple but unique conceptual still life's and some local location and landscape images. Alamy is just barely worth the effort and no way would I drop the micros for Alamy. As far as Don Farrall is concerned, two points. One: a lot of his stuff (not all granted, but a lot) is pretty slick production stuff, after all he is a 20 year veteran pro photographer. Second, and perhaps most important, his images are listed with an agency on Alamy, Photodisk. Alamy provides higher ranks to agencies. So decent (money spent) production images that show up on the first pages of searches, no wonder. Even if someone does produce equally good images, unless you're listed with an agency you wont land that high in the searches on Alamy.

cappi · « **Reply #38 on:** December 22, 2008, 09:08 »

He doesn't get a higher rank because he's involved with an agency. He has a high CTR rate because of accurate minimal keywording of images with a combination of excellent images that sell which is a perfect recipe for a high Alamy Rank.

I have images on Alamy that are placed higher in searches versus people who are listed with agencies like photodisc. My CTR rate is only like 1.6%.

stock shooter · « **Reply #39 on:** December 22, 2008, 10:45 »

Alamy has stated that they afford higher ranking to agencies. Most people who have had images with Alamy for a while and read the related forums know this. I'm not saying keywords don't make a big difference, along with minimal similar keyworded images, good keywords can place higher than an agency listing with poor keywords. But all things being equal, the agency listing will rank an image higher.

e-person · « **Reply #40 on:** December 22, 2008, 10:56 »

Quote from: ChrisRabior on December 21, 2008, 19:45

As far as Alamy, I've had 7 sales for a nice total of about $1200 in under a year with a relatively small portfolio (500 images)..and an average of one sale for every 10 zooms. Not a bad way to go. Beats . out of anything I ever got out of the microstocks, and should be even more lucrative once I actually get off my butt and upload the rest of my collection.

I made that, on microstock, in one year, with 250 photos. If I had 500 photos on microstock, I would have made double that, so I am either better than you, or Alamy is rubbish. You tell me. I am fine with both.

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #41 on:** December 22, 2008, 11:15 »

Quote from: e-person on December 22, 2008, 10:56

I made that, on microstock, in one year, with 250 photos. If I had 500 photos on microstock, I would have made double that, so I am either better than you, or Alamy is rubbish. You tell me. I am fine with both.

It is neither, actually. I find Alamy, for the most part, sells a lot more editorial style image than the micros do. Most of my images that sell on Alamy wouldn't be on a micro site.

cappi · « **Reply #42 on:** December 22, 2008, 12:45 »

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