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Author Topic: Is Alamy actually saying which image failed QC?  (Read 13133 times)

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« on: May 11, 2010, 13:00 »
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I tried uploading after one year to see if anything has changed. Nothing.


« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2010, 13:25 »
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I don't understand, what do you think? The subject is a question and the rest is your opinion ???
For me, only images which haven't the correct size failed QC.

« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2010, 13:38 »
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They fail whole batch without saying which one one was bad. I cannot even fix a problem if I do not know which image.

I do not up-size but some people claimed there were able to upload images from 6MP cameras.

ap

« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2010, 13:52 »
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i was surprised that i had a 'partial' failure at alamy once. they approved all photos except the one that failed qc, so i actually knew which one it was.  :D

Dook

« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2010, 14:12 »
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They fail whole batch without saying which one one was bad. I cannot even fix a problem if I do not know which image.

I do not up-size but some people claimed there were able to upload images from 6MP cameras.
I have many pics from 6MP camera there. Just stay at 100 ISO, and don't crop too much. I think the longer side would be 3504 pixels, and upsizing it to 5050 pixels makes it little bit over 48MB. I never had a problem. What camera do you use? When I got rejected batch, I would guess which image could be problematic by looking at files with 200 ISO or more, or the ones that were cropped too much.

Dook

« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2010, 14:14 »
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i was surprised that i had a 'partial' failure at alamy once. they approved all photos except the one that failed qc, so i actually knew which one it was.  :D
It happens very often. The file gets corrupted, or something.

ap

« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2010, 14:27 »
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i was surprised that i had a 'partial' failure at alamy once. they approved all photos except the one that failed qc, so i actually knew which one it was.  :D
It happens very often. The file gets corrupted, or something.

so, it actually didn't fail qc and can be resubmitted?  ???

« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2010, 14:42 »
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They fail whole batch without saying which one one was bad. I cannot even fix a problem if I do not know which image.

I do not up-size but some people claimed there were able to upload images from 6MP cameras.
I have many pics from 6MP camera there. Just stay at 100 ISO, and don't crop too much. I think the longer side would be 3504 pixels, and upsizing it to 5050 pixels makes it little bit over 48MB. I never had a problem. What camera do you use? When I got rejected batch, I would guess which image could be problematic by looking at files with 200 ISO or more, or the ones that were cropped too much.

I use 5Dmk2 so I am downsizing for Alamy. Most often reason was "Dirt or dust or other blemishes"  which could be corrected if I new what image was failing.

« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2010, 14:53 »
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I only had "partial QC failure" with Alamy, they never turned all ma batch because 1 or 2 photos (sometimes I forget to mark those below 16mpx and upload them by mistake). In that case they do indeed show which images failed; and the rest are accepted and can be processed.

I go to Track Submissions and click on Partially Failed to see which photos didn't pass and for what reason.

Dook

« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2010, 15:01 »
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i was surprised that i had a 'partial' failure at alamy once. they approved all photos except the one that failed qc, so i actually knew which one it was.  :D
It happens very often. The file gets corrupted, or something.

so, it actually didn't fail qc and can be resubmitted?  ???
The batch didn't fail. You don't have to resubmit. Only that one image.

ap

« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2010, 15:35 »
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to clarify, when i had a partial qc failure at alamy, there was a specific reason attached (focus). the rest were approved. so, sometimes, they don't just fail the entire series.

XPTO

« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2010, 15:45 »
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I tried uploading after one year to see if anything has changed. Nothing.

Have you contacted alamy about this?

We don't have access to your account and checkout the problem, and much less access to the alamy system to see if there's a bug...

When I have a processing error I always get the reference of the image corrupted. And when I had a rejection (extremely rare, thankfully) I always got a reason.

Uploading images of a 6mp camera is borderline and risky, although I had very little problems with the 8mp canon 350D and the kit lens. With the 5DmkII no problem at all except for a dust spot once. Clumsy...

« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2010, 16:41 »
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I went down to uploading just 4 files in batch. Now I might try one cause I want to know where the problem is.  I never contacted them cause I was thinking that it was always first  image from the list so I was removing it then re-uploading others with new one. I am not sure anymore if failing image is actually marked with comment.

XPTO

« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2010, 17:07 »
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I went down to uploading just 4 files in batch. Now I might try one cause I want to know where the problem is.  I never contacted them cause I was thinking that it was always first  image from the list so I was removing it then re-uploading others with new one. I am not sure anymore if failing image is actually marked with comment.

Go to: my alamy -> track submissions

The status of your batches are there. If you got a "Failed QC", there will be a blue "i" icon next to it, click on it and in the right column of the next table there will a reason for the rejection in the line of the file. Scroll or pass pages if you've sent a big batch.

If you got a "Partially Failed" status then you got a processing error. Click on the Media Ref. (second column left) and you'll see the status of each image and can even filter for rejection reason which will be "Image processing error".

Other than that, there may be a problem in your account and you should contact alamy.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2010, 17:09 by XPTO »

« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2010, 17:26 »
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I know that rejection reason is in most right column but I never saw it in other row than first so I assume they inspect first image and reject all other images even if these images are in different batches. I got once 3 batches pending and they rejected everything with same date. I do not know why I am trying to submit there. I must be masochist.

RacePhoto

« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2010, 19:09 »
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I know that rejection reason is in most right column but I never saw it in other row than first so I assume they inspect first image and reject all other images even if these images are in different batches. I got once 3 batches pending and they rejected everything with same date. I do not know why I am trying to submit there. I must be masochist.

They move the rejected image to first on the list, with the reason. You'll see if you look that it wasn't the first uploaded in the batch. (unless of course it was?)

If you have four batches waiting and one fails from any batch, ALL FAIL. It's clear and they say it everywhere, we have repeated it over and over. Don't upload more than one batch at a time.

One other thing you can assume is that if one image fails, you should check the rest of the batch for similar issues. If you just remove the one that failed and upload again, and another fails, they will eventually put you on alert for repeated failures. Keep getting failures for the same reasons and the give a vacation.

The point is, if one fails, it's important to check the rest for something similar.

Size failures don't cause batch rejections, they just get flagged and ignored. Also the processing error shouldn't harm anything else in that batch, just re-upload.

Orange failures are for Size as far as what I've done wrong. In 2008 I had an entire batch refused for one photo, under sized... RED. In January I had one failed for Processing Error, and the rest of the batch passed. Also Orange.

That leads me to believe, Orange is size or processing and doesn't fail the whole batch. It's done by the computer.

Red is when QC looks at an image and fails it. Keep in mind the first image is the first one to fail, not the first in the batch as you uploaded them.

Good Luck!

XPTO

« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2010, 02:20 »
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I know that rejection reason is in most right column but I never saw it in other row than first so I assume they inspect first image and reject all other images even if these images are in different batches. I got once 3 batches pending and they rejected everything with same date. I do not know why I am trying to submit there. I must be masochist.

I'm sorry to say but you seem really off on how alamy works... Check the help pages to get an idea.

If an image fails, no matter if it's the first or last, ALL other pending images fail. If you have 5 batches pending with different upload dates, they all fail. They don't even check more once you get an image rejected because they assume all other images present the same problem.

And I'll add, if you have a series of rejections the QC is going to be harder on you, and if they only check a small sample of images from a successful contributor, from someone who repeatedly fails they start to look at a larger number of images with a more critical eye. First you get pushed down in the review queue priority list, making you wait days while others just wait a day or hours for approval, and in the worse case you get your upload privileges suspended for a month period or something like that. This has been announced several months ago.

So, if you get a rejection check all the images that were pending from all batches at 100%. It's a pain but the best thing to do.

alamy's QC is easier than the micro but when the hammer fallls... it falls really hard. I prefer the micro system, but because of alamy policy I'm extra careful and demanding on what to send there.

« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2010, 04:13 »
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I never had the whole batch rejected because of 1 image, I only had 1 (or 2 or 3) images rejected but the rest accepted.

However I never had any problems with the content of my pictures (like noise, spots or anything), it has always been my mistakes with sending a few undersized images in a batch - may be that's the reason they accept the rest.

« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2010, 05:47 »
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I have had 100% approval rate for now... ;D Five images... :P

RacePhoto

« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2010, 12:56 »
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I never had the whole batch rejected because of 1 image, I only had 1 (or 2 or 3) images rejected but the rest accepted.

However I never had any problems with the content of my pictures (like noise, spots or anything), it has always been my mistakes with sending a few undersized images in a batch - may be that's the reason they accept the rest.

Right, they don't refuse entire batches anymore for processing errors or undersized. Now they just drop those and the rest continue to QC.

Alamy does not review for content. They make it a big point in their FAQs and the videos about contributing. They do refuse "glamor" or objectionable images. But as I've pointed out, if you want to take a photo of a brown rock on a sand beach with nothing else, and it's well lighted and exposed, they will take it.  ;D

Alamy prefers to encourage self review. Any of us needs to be personally responsible and critical and not waste their time trying to sneak through marginal images. Micro on the other hand, you can throw up anything and see what sticks, maybe get lucky? Two different philosophy's of reviews.

No dust bunnies, no flaws or spots, and "Soft or Lacking Definition" appears to be the biggest reason for saying, try again. Think sharp and clean images and they will pass.

« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2010, 00:21 »
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A policy of failing everything that's pending from maybe a week of uploads, which could be dozens or even hundreds of good photos, because of one bad apple, is an incredibly stupid system. 

I know that rejection reason is in most right column but I never saw it in other row than first so I assume they inspect first image and reject all other images even if these images are in different batches. I got once 3 batches pending and they rejected everything with same date. I do not know why I am trying to submit there. I must be masochist.

I'm sorry to say but you seem really off on how alamy works... Check the help pages to get an idea.

If an image fails, no matter if it's the first or last, ALL other pending images fail. If you have 5 batches pending with different upload dates, they all fail. They don't even check more once you get an image rejected because they assume all other images present the same problem.


 

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