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Uncle Pete · « **on:** November 22, 2019, 12:06 »

Some people have said that they wanted one, and this will "replace the DSLR". Others say, we want a camera that has a phone, because then it would be a real Camera Phone?

Enter the getting there camera: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g7x-mark-iii-review?ref_=pe_1822230_454513780_dpr_nl_400_4

Canon PowerShot G7 X III with Live YouTube streaming support built-in

I won't be running out to get one, but I thought that was interesting.

Key Specifications:

20MP 1"-type Stacked CMOS sensor
24-100mm equiv. F1.8-2.8 lens
Built-in 3-stop ND filter
Touchscreen tilts up 180° and down 90°
8 fps burst shooting with autofocus, 30 fps Raw burst mode
4K/30p and 1080/60p video recording
Microphone socket
Live YouTube streaming support built-in
Vertical video capture
1080/120p slow motion video (with no audio or autofocus)
Wi-Fi + Bluetooth wireless connectivity
USB 3.1 (with USB-C connector) for data transfer and charging
235 shot battery life per CIPA standard

Hoodie Ninja · « **Reply #1 on:** November 22, 2019, 13:23 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 22, 2019, 12:06

Some people have said that they wanted one, and this will "replace the DSLR". Others say, we want a camera that has a phone, because then it would be a real Camera Phone?

Enter the getting there camera: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g7x-mark-iii-review?ref_=pe_1822230_454513780_dpr_nl_400_4

Canon PowerShot G7 X III with Live YouTube streaming support built-in

I won't be running out to get one, but I thought that was interesting.

Key Specifications:

20MP 1"-type Stacked CMOS sensor
24-100mm equiv. F1.8-2.8 lens
Built-in 3-stop ND filter
Touchscreen tilts up 180° and down 90°
8 fps burst shooting with autofocus, 30 fps Raw burst mode
4K/30p and 1080/60p video recording
Microphone socket
Live YouTube streaming support built-in
Vertical video capture
1080/120p slow motion video (with no audio or autofocus)
Wi-Fi + Bluetooth wireless connectivity
USB 3.1 (with USB-C connector) for data transfer and charging
235 shot battery life per CIPA standard

I have the Samsung Note 10+, which has just as good of a camera as the iPhone 11 Pro Max and I have said several times since getting it that, if I wasn't doing photography professionally, I'd just use my phone for photos from now on. The built-in HDR creates stunning images with no need to edit. I've actually been using my phone as a reference to how a picture CAN look with the right editing of my DSLR images. Since I can see all the lights and darks in real-time, it makes it easy to decide which composition looks best for a scene.

My second option for not using a DSLR right now is my little Sony RX100 IV. I take it with me as a backup just in case the "real" camera fails me. Of course, newer versions have come out since I bought it, but them adding 200mm zoom over previous models was a big selling point for me. It also has a touchscreen that you can flip up for self-recording and can be controlled by your phone.

But I will always have a soft spot for Canon Powershots since that was my first camera that I bought when I started getting interested in photography. <3

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #2 on:** November 22, 2019, 15:32 »

Quote from: Hoodie Ninja on November 22, 2019, 13:23

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 22, 2019, 12:06
Some people have said that they wanted one, and this will "replace the DSLR". Others say, we want a camera that has a phone, because then it would be a real Camera Phone?

Enter the getting there camera: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g7x-mark-iii-review?ref_=pe_1822230_454513780_dpr_nl_400_4

Canon PowerShot G7 X III with Live YouTube streaming support built-in

I won't be running out to get one, but I thought that was interesting.

Key Specifications:

20MP 1"-type Stacked CMOS sensor
24-100mm equiv. F1.8-2.8 lens
Built-in 3-stop ND filter
Touchscreen tilts up 180° and down 90°
8 fps burst shooting with autofocus, 30 fps Raw burst mode
4K/30p and 1080/60p video recording
Microphone socket
Live YouTube streaming support built-in
Vertical video capture
1080/120p slow motion video (with no audio or autofocus)
Wi-Fi + Bluetooth wireless connectivity
USB 3.1 (with USB-C connector) for data transfer and charging
235 shot battery life per CIPA standard

I have the Samsung Note 10+, which has just as good of a camera as the iPhone 11 Pro Max and I have said several times since getting it that, if I wasn't doing photography professionally, I'd just use my phone for photos from now on. The built-in HDR creates stunning images with no need to edit. I've actually been using my phone as a reference to how a picture CAN look with the right editing of my DSLR images. Since I can see all the lights and darks in real-time, it makes it easy to decide which composition looks best for a scene.

My second option for not using a DSLR right now is my little Sony RX100 IV. I take it with me as a backup just in case the "real" camera fails me. Of course, newer versions have come out since I bought it, but them adding 200mm zoom over previous models was a big selling point for me. It also has a touchscreen that you can flip up for self-recording and can be controlled by your phone.

But I will always have a soft spot for Canon Powershots since that was my first camera that I bought when I started getting interested in photography. <3

All good points, I'm just not ready for a phone that's a camera quite yet, but I do see the nice images that some people make, and the computational analysis or whatever the phones have built in, does a really good job of making up for the inadequacies of a tiny sensor and a tiny plastic lens.

I've been a Canon loyal since my first film SLR a FT-QL. Mostly because of lenses and once married, there I am. I think the new Sony and Fuji, and Nikon of course all have some pretty nice features and models, so I'm not saying that Canon is the end all and everything, by any means. Just what I have and the L lenses fit nicely into what I like to shoot.

I actually have a couple of accepted and sold Microstock photos from an A-1200 that I always carried in my pocket, before the days of better phone cameras. I've tried some others, G series for two different models, and some other bridge camera. They got sold after having some fun, just not what I wanted. I eventually did settle on a EOS-M which is almost a pocket camera or is with big pockets.

Decent lenses and the crop sensor, nice for grab and shoot around the house.

But my personal opinion is, the new phones have not replaced the DSLR yet. In a year we'll hear the same and in 2021 we'll hear again. Just seems to be some people like to predict the demise of DSLRs every chance they can. There are loads of good and in some situations better cameras, but the replacement hasn't come quit yet for serious everyday work.

qunamax · « **Reply #3 on:** November 22, 2019, 19:47 »

But we already have a replacement for dslr, it's called mirrorless. I don't think phones can ever replace cameras for people that are actually into photography, it's just not the same form factor and doesn't have the same usability, sure it can take photos but so can my dashboard camera.

Just to point a few thing:

- Viewfinder, I doubt anyone that shoots with an actually camera ever wants one without a viewfinder.
- Where's the tripod mount on a phone?
- Where are the external buttons? If I want to change a setting on a phone or just simply touch to focus there's always a 50/50 percent chance that I will ctually drop my phone rather than make it focus on a thing I want to focus.
- I don't trust little tiny lens that gets to be thrown around on table surfaces all day long.
- Startup times, of both phone and it's camera app - no way to act quickly.
- Battery life, backup battery.
- Flash? How do I attach or control external flashes?
and many other things.

Sure it will replace dslrs for those D3400+18-55 bunch that just wanted to blur some background for their friends amazement.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #4 on:** November 22, 2019, 22:12 »

Quote from: qunamax on November 22, 2019, 19:47

But we already have a replacement for dslr, it's called mirrorless. I don't think phones can ever replace cameras for people that are actually into photography, it's just not the same form factor and doesn't have the same usability, sure it can take photos but so can my dashboard camera.

Just to point a few thing:

- Viewfinder, I doubt anyone that shoots with an actually camera ever wants one without a viewfinder.
- Where's the tripod mount on a phone?
- Where are the external buttons? If I want to change a setting on a phone or just simply touch to focus there's always a 50/50 percent chance that I will ctually drop my phone rather than make it focus on a thing I want to focus.
- I don't trust little tiny lens that gets to be thrown around on table surfaces all day long.
- Startup times, of both phone and it's camera app - no way to act quickly.
- Battery life, backup battery.
- Flash? How do I attach or control external flashes?
and many other things.

Sure it will replace dslrs for those D3400+18-55 bunch that just wanted to blur some background for their friends amazement.

Also all good points. Most that I want, having to do with creative control. But the tech and physical aspects make sense too.

Blurred backgrounds and pan streaks are over rated.

jodijacobson · « **Reply #5 on:** November 23, 2019, 15:20 »

I have two Canon 5D4's. I fell and can't lift them so I didn't shoot in over a year. I just bought the Iphone 11pro and this phone camera blows the Canon away! Everything I am shooting is getting accepted. The color right out of the phone for stock is fantastic. It even shoots in the dark without noise!

NeonRobot · « **Reply #6 on:** November 24, 2019, 07:06 »

Quote from: jodijacobson on November 23, 2019, 15:20

I have two Canon 5D4's. I fell and can't lift them so I didn't shoot in over a year. I just bought the Iphone 11pro and this phone camera blows the Canon away! Everything I am shooting is getting accepted. The color right out of the phone for stock is fantastic. It even shoots in the dark without noise!

Stop throwing misleads. It looks miserable. It's just overpriced phone with lots of uneeded tech for true photographer.
I even bet that iphone11 can't beat Nokia 808 from 2012 in terms of provided resolution. It is not a surprise, because of pathetic 1/2.55" sized sensor.

ps. Huawei Mate 30 Pro and Xiaomi Mi Note 10 are more intersting stuff though.

Hoodie Ninja · « **Reply #7 on:** November 25, 2019, 15:56 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 22, 2019, 15:32

Quote from: Hoodie Ninja on November 22, 2019, 13:23
Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 22, 2019, 12:06
Some people have said that they wanted one, and this will "replace the DSLR". Others say, we want a camera that has a phone, because then it would be a real Camera Phone?

Enter the getting there camera: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-powershot-g7x-mark-iii-review?ref_=pe_1822230_454513780_dpr_nl_400_4

Canon PowerShot G7 X III with Live YouTube streaming support built-in

I won't be running out to get one, but I thought that was interesting.

Key Specifications:

20MP 1"-type Stacked CMOS sensor
24-100mm equiv. F1.8-2.8 lens
Built-in 3-stop ND filter
Touchscreen tilts up 180° and down 90°
8 fps burst shooting with autofocus, 30 fps Raw burst mode
4K/30p and 1080/60p video recording
Microphone socket
Live YouTube streaming support built-in
Vertical video capture
1080/120p slow motion video (with no audio or autofocus)
Wi-Fi + Bluetooth wireless connectivity
USB 3.1 (with USB-C connector) for data transfer and charging
235 shot battery life per CIPA standard

I have the Samsung Note 10+, which has just as good of a camera as the iPhone 11 Pro Max and I have said several times since getting it that, if I wasn't doing photography professionally, I'd just use my phone for photos from now on. The built-in HDR creates stunning images with no need to edit. I've actually been using my phone as a reference to how a picture CAN look with the right editing of my DSLR images. Since I can see all the lights and darks in real-time, it makes it easy to decide which composition looks best for a scene.

My second option for not using a DSLR right now is my little Sony RX100 IV. I take it with me as a backup just in case the "real" camera fails me. Of course, newer versions have come out since I bought it, but them adding 200mm zoom over previous models was a big selling point for me. It also has a touchscreen that you can flip up for self-recording and can be controlled by your phone.

But I will always have a soft spot for Canon Powershots since that was my first camera that I bought when I started getting interested in photography. <3

All good points, I'm just not ready for a phone that's a camera quite yet, but I do see the nice images that some people make, and the computational analysis or whatever the phones have built in, does a really good job of making up for the inadequacies of a tiny sensor and a tiny plastic lens.

I've been a Canon loyal since my first film SLR a FT-QL. Mostly because of lenses and once married, there I am. I think the new Sony and Fuji, and Nikon of course all have some pretty nice features and models, so I'm not saying that Canon is the end all and everything, by any means. Just what I have and the L lenses fit nicely into what I like to shoot.

I actually have a couple of accepted and sold Microstock photos from an A-1200 that I always carried in my pocket, before the days of better phone cameras. I've tried some others, G series for two different models, and some other bridge camera. They got sold after having some fun, just not what I wanted. I eventually did settle on a EOS-M which is almost a pocket camera or is with big pockets. Decent lenses and the crop sensor, nice for grab and shoot around the house.

But my personal opinion is, the new phones have not replaced the DSLR yet. In a year we'll hear the same and in 2021 we'll hear again. Just seems to be some people like to predict the demise of DSLRs every chance they can. There are loads of good and in some situations better cameras, but the replacement hasn't come quit yet for serious everyday work.

My first shots that I uploaded to SS were taken with a Canon Powershot S2 IS. lol And they sold for awhile. Haven't seen any new sales with them in awhile, though.

I'm also "married" to my Canon camera and lenses. But I haven't seen anything come out that would make me want to change.

While my phone is a good tool to use with my dslr, I don't feel it's ready to replace it anytime soon. I am curious to see if the images would get accepted to the stock sites, though. Sometimes my phone is all I have with me and I've gotten some pretty nice shots with it.

Hoodie Ninja · « **Reply #8 on:** November 25, 2019, 16:34 »

Quote from: jodijacobson on November 23, 2019, 15:20

I have two Canon 5D4's. I fell and can't lift them so I didn't shoot in over a year. I just bought the Iphone 11pro and this phone camera blows the Canon away! Everything I am shooting is getting accepted. The color right out of the phone for stock is fantastic. It even shoots in the dark without noise!

The phone is 12 MP and the 5D4 is 30.1 MP, so you're not getting the same in resolution. It does NOT blow the Canon away. It's a nice phone camera, but not a replacement for a dslr. And according to this comparison article https://digital-photography-school.com/iphone-11-pro-versus-the-canon-5d-mark-iv/ they say, "As for noise and sharpness, I don’t notice any issues when viewing the photos at a normal viewing size. But viewing the images large (which can be done here) shows significant noise and lack of clarity in all of the iPhone images." So, you're not getting images in the dark without noise. You're just not viewing them large enough to see it.

hatman12 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 26, 2019, 21:34 »

Ken Rockwell recently did a Yosemite trip where he took several cameras and an iPhone 11 Pro. Naturally there are quality differences when viewed 100%, but at full screen size (24 inch monitor) I find it difficult to see any difference between the mega-pixel cameras and the iPhone.

https://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2019-10-yosemite/index.htm

Hoodie Ninja · « **Reply #10 on:** November 27, 2019, 13:01 »

Quote from: hatman12 on November 26, 2019, 21:34

Ken Rockwell recently did a Yosemite trip where he took several cameras and an iPhone 11 Pro. Naturally there are quality differences when viewed 100%, but at full screen size (24 inch monitor) I find it difficult to see any difference between the mega-pixel cameras and the iPhone.

https://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2019-10-yosemite/index.htm

As everyone has been saying, they're fine if you're just wanting to share photos online, but stock is a 100% game and the phone still can't compete with the big boys. But he doesn't shoot raw, so how can you take him seriously? lol

mino216 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 04, 2019, 10:41 »

Quote from: spacedrone808 on November 24, 2019, 07:06

Stop throwing misleads. It looks miserable. It's just overpriced phone with lots of uneeded tech for true photographer.
I even bet that iphone11 can't beat Nokia 808 from 2012 in terms of provided resolution. It is not a surprise, because of pathetic 1/2.55" sized sensor.

ps. Huawei Mate 30 Pro and Xiaomi Mi Note 10 are more intersting stuff though.

I have made a short test (https://www.zonerama.com/Mino21/Album/5836185?secret=56b6b14e395b4164afffce0a131843c01hl8RXfvi7). I have Nokia 808 and iPhone SE which has even smaller 1/3" sensor. There are images in native resolution, then all images converted to 12 MPx and all images converted to 38 MPx. As you can see, Nokia has better resolution which is not surprising, but I would not say that it is extreme difference (especially with the set of images with shops in archs). If you shoot RAW with iPhone, you can get quite nice images, especially if you are careful with exposure (Lightroom has underexposed the images) because iPhone has sharper lens than Nokia. If I should choose which smartphone to use for microstock, I would take iPhone instead of Nokia 808. Even though Nokia has slightly better resolution and ND filter, iPhone has much better DR and colors.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #12 on:** December 04, 2019, 11:03 »

Quote from: Hoodie Ninja on November 27, 2019, 13:01

Quote from: hatman12 on November 26, 2019, 21:34
Ken Rockwell recently did a Yosemite trip where he took several cameras and an iPhone 11 Pro. Naturally there are quality differences when viewed 100%, but at full screen size (24 inch monitor) I find it difficult to see any difference between the mega-pixel cameras and the iPhone.

https://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2019-10-yosemite/index.htm

As everyone has been saying, they're fine if you're just wanting to share photos online, but stock is a 100% game and the phone still can't compete with the big boys. But he doesn't shoot raw, so how can you take him seriously? lol

I don't shoot RAW, but that doesn't make either of us right or wrong. Just a personal choice.

I also have a minivan and a Honda to go get groceries or take vacations. Since I'm not actually doing high performance driving, racing or anything like that, my cars are just fine, vs a $60,000 Corvette or a much more expensive sports car. Similar to RAW, where much of the power and usefulness is wasted. Once you make a RAW image into a JPEG, there you are, back where someone like me started.

As long as I can get suitable images and quality without RAW, taking space, and time converting, adjusting and pixel peeping, I'm happy. I spend way to much time editing tiny details as it is, without worrying about minute tone and color adjustments. That's my answer which is, personal choice and to each their own choices.

When they make a DSLR that has a phone, I'll have a camera phone.

Hoodie Ninja · « **Reply #13 on:** December 04, 2019, 13:31 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on December 04, 2019, 11:03

Quote from: Hoodie Ninja on November 27, 2019, 13:01
Quote from: hatman12 on November 26, 2019, 21:34
Ken Rockwell recently did a Yosemite trip where he took several cameras and an iPhone 11 Pro. Naturally there are quality differences when viewed 100%, but at full screen size (24 inch monitor) I find it difficult to see any difference between the mega-pixel cameras and the iPhone.

https://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2019-10-yosemite/index.htm

As everyone has been saying, they're fine if you're just wanting to share photos online, but stock is a 100% game and the phone still can't compete with the big boys. But he doesn't shoot raw, so how can you take him seriously? lol

I don't shoot RAW, but that doesn't make either of us right or wrong. Just a personal choice.

I also have a minivan and a Honda to go get groceries or take vacations. Since I'm not actually doing high performance driving, racing or anything like that, my cars are just fine, vs a $60,000 Corvette or a much more expensive sports car. Similar to RAW, where much of the power and usefulness is wasted. Once you make a RAW image into a JPEG, there you are, back where someone like me started.

As long as I can get suitable images and quality without RAW, taking space, and time converting, adjusting and pixel peeping, I'm happy. I spend way to much time editing tiny details as it is, without worrying about minute tone and color adjustments. That's my answer which is, personal choice and to each their own choices.

When they make a DSLR that has a phone, I'll have a camera phone.

I waited a long time to switch to RAW and I'm really sad I did because more could have been recovered from images that I took that needed a little bit more 'help,' particularly with highlights and shadows. I don't convert to jpg until after the adjustments have been made and I've utilized all that 'power' from the RAW file. But it is a personal choice and if it works for you, then great. Keep doing what works!

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #14 on:** December 05, 2019, 15:32 »

Quote from: Hoodie Ninja on December 04, 2019, 13:31

Quote from: Uncle Pete on December 04, 2019, 11:03
Quote from: Hoodie Ninja on November 27, 2019, 13:01
Quote from: hatman12 on November 26, 2019, 21:34
Ken Rockwell recently did a Yosemite trip where he took several cameras and an iPhone 11 Pro. Naturally there are quality differences when viewed 100%, but at full screen size (24 inch monitor) I find it difficult to see any difference between the mega-pixel cameras and the iPhone.

https://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2019-10-yosemite/index.htm

As everyone has been saying, they're fine if you're just wanting to share photos online, but stock is a 100% game and the phone still can't compete with the big boys. But he doesn't shoot raw, so how can you take him seriously? lol

I don't shoot RAW, but that doesn't make either of us right or wrong. Just a personal choice.

I also have a minivan and a Honda to go get groceries or take vacations. Since I'm not actually doing high performance driving, racing or anything like that, my cars are just fine, vs a $60,000 Corvette or a much more expensive sports car. Similar to RAW, where much of the power and usefulness is wasted. Once you make a RAW image into a JPEG, there you are, back where someone like me started.

As long as I can get suitable images and quality without RAW, taking space, and time converting, adjusting and pixel peeping, I'm happy. I spend way to much time editing tiny details as it is, without worrying about minute tone and color adjustments. That's my answer which is, personal choice and to each their own choices.

When they make a DSLR that has a phone, I'll have a camera phone.

I waited a long time to switch to RAW and I'm really sad I did because more could have been recovered from images that I took that needed a little bit more 'help,' particularly with highlights and shadows. I don't convert to jpg until after the adjustments have been made and I've utilized all that 'power' from the RAW file. But it is a personal choice and if it works for you, then great. Keep doing what works!

Which leads right into, if an iPhone is "good enough" and someone can make money with that, I'm not going to say, they shouldn't. Just not for me or what I do.

Same goes for RAW for most of what I do. If people are happy, doing things the way they do, I'm all for that. I'm just expressing my personal opinion about some things. There isn't just one right answer and that dictates that all of us should hold the same views or opinions.

georgep7 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 06, 2019, 01:35 »

Quote

There isn't just one right answer and that dictates that all of us should hold the same views or opinions.

In a perfect world, yes.
But in the actual web, influencers if not everyone are trying their best to dictate what's right for us. From opinions to reviews to info. It is sometimes hard to separate biased to actual helpful knowledge any more.

:/

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #16 on:** December 06, 2019, 11:19 »

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I have the Samsung Note 10+, which has just as good of a camera as the iPhone 11 Pro Max

interesting, i have one too, but there are 1000s of complaints about the S10+ camera, there are several issues with it. night shots are horrendous, seriously, its not even funny, its an overprocessed noise fest

hdr never turns off, even if you disable it, so most images have low contrast and look shiiiiiiiit, only if hdr is not triggered the images in daylight are fine, i have several submitted and accepted

the selfie camera applies a beauty filter which makes me look like a plastic doll

for a flag ship phone costing around 900 dollar, its a horrendously shiiiiiit camera. and samsung refuses to fix any of this, which pisses off many users

just had to get that off my chest, rant off

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #17 on:** December 06, 2019, 11:22 »

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I have two Canon 5D4's. I fell and can't lift them so I didn't shoot in over a year. I just bought the Iphone 11pro and this phone camera blows the Canon away!

3 letters

LOL

and i never use caps, so can you imagine how hard i had to laugh

Hoodie Ninja · « **Reply #18 on:** December 06, 2019, 14:33 »

Quote from: George_ on December 06, 2019, 01:35

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There isn't just one right answer and that dictates that all of us should hold the same views or opinions.

In a perfect world, yes.
But in the actual web, influencers if not everyone are trying their best to dictate what's right for us. From opinions to reviews to info. It is sometimes hard to separate biased to actual helpful knowledge any more.

:/

The best way to navigate the sea of information is to know that each and every blog/influencer is selling something, so you need to look at the facts rather than their opinion. For instance, I have heard sooooooooo many people say over the years that one of the best lenses to buy is the 50mm. I have a 50mm lens and I RARELY use it and will be giving it away to my son soon. So, figure out what YOU need (what are you going to be using it for?) and go from there.

Hoodie Ninja · « **Reply #19 on:** December 06, 2019, 14:47 »

Quote from: Microstockphoto on December 06, 2019, 11:19

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I have the Samsung Note 10+, which has just as good of a camera as the iPhone 11 Pro Max

interesting, i have one too, but there are 1000s of complaints about the S10+ camera, there are several issues with it. night shots are horrendous, seriously, its not even funny, its an overprocessed noise fest

hdr never turns off, even if you disable it, so most images have low contrast and look shiiiiiiiit, only if hdr is not triggered the images in daylight are fine, i have several submitted and accepted

the selfie camera applies a beauty filter which makes me look like a plastic doll

for a flag ship phone costing around 900 dollar, its a horrendously shiiiiiit camera. and samsung refuses to fix any of this, which pisses off many users

just had to get that off my chest, rant off

The S10+ is not the same as the Note 10+. So, maybe you don't have the same phone because I don't have any of those issues.

My night shots look fine.

I don't try to turn off my HDR because I think the images look great with it. It's one of the pluses to the phone and why I like using it as a reference to the images I made with my DSLR.

I can turn Beauty filter off and I can also reduce the amount of smoothing if I leave it on (I prefer level 2 for a realistic amount of smoothing).

Sorry you are having so many issues with your phone.

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #20 on:** December 06, 2019, 15:59 »

Quote from: hatman12 on November 26, 2019, 21:34

Ken Rockwell recently did a Yosemite trip where he took several cameras and an iPhone 11 Pro. Naturally there are quality differences when viewed 100%, but at full screen size (24 inch monitor) I find it difficult to see any difference between the mega-pixel cameras and the iPhone.

https://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2019-10-yosemite/index.htm

The pictures look flat and oversaturated with hard shaddows, nothing subtle, whatever the gear was... Sorry but, he is a star???

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #21 on:** December 07, 2019, 12:58 »

Quote from: Hoodie Ninja on December 06, 2019, 14:33

Quote from: George_ on December 06, 2019, 01:35
Quote
There isn't just one right answer and that dictates that all of us should hold the same views or opinions.

In a perfect world, yes.
But in the actual web, influencers if not everyone are trying their best to dictate what's right for us. From opinions to reviews to info. It is sometimes hard to separate biased to actual helpful knowledge any more.

:/

The best way to navigate the sea of information is to know that each and every blog/influencer is selling something, so you need to look at the facts rather than their opinion. For instance, I have heard sooooooooo many people say over the years that one of the best lenses to buy is the 50mm. I have a 50mm lens and I RARELY use it and will be giving it away to my son soon. So, figure out what YOU need (what are you going to be using it for?) and go from there.

Wait, you have a Nifty 50 and don't like it? I still don't own one, seems like something else always comes first. Like a 24mm TS-E or a 135mm f/2.

Which 50mm do you have and why are you unhappy with it?

Quote from: jodijacobson on November 23, 2019, 15:20

I have two Canon 5D4's. I fell and can't lift them so I didn't shoot in over a year. I just bought the Iphone 11pro and this phone camera blows the Canon away! Everything I am shooting is getting accepted. The color right out of the phone for stock is fantastic. It even shoots in the dark without noise!

Some days it's much harder to spot Apple fanboys, not this one. LOL

Although maybe there's a sale of the two unused 5D IVs coming up for forum members, since you can't use them anymore? Not me, I'm still using crop cameras, but there are plenty of people here who could use your used cameras for a good price? I mean, especially since the 5Ds have been replaced by an iPhone?

jodijacobson · « **Reply #22 on:** December 07, 2019, 13:17 »

Quote from: Hoodie Ninja on November 25, 2019, 16:34

Quote from: jodijacobson on November 23, 2019, 15:20
I have two Canon 5D4's. I fell and can't lift them so I didn't shoot in over a year. I just bought the Iphone 11pro and this phone camera blows the Canon away! Everything I am shooting is getting accepted. The color right out of the phone for stock is fantastic. It even shoots in the dark without noise!

The phone is 12 MP and the 5D4 is 30.1 MP, so you're not getting the same in resolution. It does NOT blow the Canon away. It's a nice phone camera, but not a replacement for a dslr. And according to this comparison article https://digital-photography-school.com/iphone-11-pro-versus-the-canon-5d-mark-iv/ they say, "As for noise and sharpness, I don’t notice any issues when viewing the photos at a normal viewing size. But viewing the images large (which can be done here) shows significant noise and lack of clarity in all of the iPhone images." So, you're not getting images in the dark without noise. You're just not viewing them large enough to see it.

I bring them into lightroom like regular DSLR pictures and edit them. If there is noise I edit that. Since you have to keep uploading to make money in stock, I am thrilled to have a way to do it with a broken back. I always shot in RAW and never put anything up without editing it. I don't put phone pictures up without editing them either. I will never sell my DSLR's but this phone is unbelievable for what stock pays. I have a port of 22,000 pictures and will be adding a whole lot more because my phone is always with me. The type of stock I shoot doesn't need a camera the value of the 4 I own.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #23 on:** December 07, 2019, 13:34 »

Quote from: jodijacobson on December 07, 2019, 13:17

Quote from: Hoodie Ninja on November 25, 2019, 16:34
Quote from: jodijacobson on November 23, 2019, 15:20
I have two Canon 5D4's. I fell and can't lift them so I didn't shoot in over a year. I just bought the Iphone 11pro and this phone camera blows the Canon away! Everything I am shooting is getting accepted. The color right out of the phone for stock is fantastic. It even shoots in the dark without noise!

The phone is 12 MP and the 5D4 is 30.1 MP, so you're not getting the same in resolution. It does NOT blow the Canon away. It's a nice phone camera, but not a replacement for a dslr. And according to this comparison article https://digital-photography-school.com/iphone-11-pro-versus-the-canon-5d-mark-iv/ they say, "As for noise and sharpness, I don’t notice any issues when viewing the photos at a normal viewing size. But viewing the images large (which can be done here) shows significant noise and lack of clarity in all of the iPhone images." So, you're not getting images in the dark without noise. You're just not viewing them large enough to see it.
I bring them into lightroom like regular DSLR pictures and edit them. If there is noise I edit that. Since you have to keep uploading to make money in stock, I am thrilled to have a way to do it with a broken back. I always shot in RAW and never put anything up without editing it. I don't put phone pictures up without editing them either. I will never sell my DSLR's but this phone is unbelievable for what stock pays. I have a port of 22,000 pictures and will be adding a whole lot more because my phone is always with me. The type of stock I shoot doesn't need a camera the value of the 4 I own.

And seriously, no more sarcastic jokes about selling the cameras or the iPhone fans... I hope your back gets better and you find success.

What's the other one? The best cameras is the one you have with you, and pocket phones are just that.

georgep7 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 08, 2019, 01:13 »

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Which 50mm do you have and why are you unhappy with it?

I dunno for Hoodie Ninja, but in my case it was the first EF-50 version. Personal objective cons: tiny focus ring and no IS aka not good for handheld video. Used it once to make a nice low light family clip and some test "gzzzz...tzzz...tzt...gz-z-z-z-z... tz... beep" noisy AF portraits (crop equal to around 75mm?) and then sit in the bag for a year and a half or so gathering fungus. Sold it in half the price bought. In my case didn't worth buying at the first place along wth any other prime, end up that I needed zoom lens. Nevertheless it was a good light cheap lens, but not comparable to 135/f2 or a different philosophy & use tilt/shift one.

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