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« on: February 13, 2008, 19:45 »
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So I'm really torn and was hoping for some advice. I am really getting into stock photography and hoping to make a modest living with it some day down the road. I have been using the original canon 1D since the first week it came out on the market and am wanting to update for a higher resolution body.I have looked at a used Canon 1Ds, a new 40D, and a 5D. I love the 5D but its a little out of my price range. The full sensor would be awesome with noise reduction but I was wondering which one you guys think would work best for microstock? I was also looking a little bit at the Fuji Film S5 but have never used anything but Canon and dont know much about it. Please let me know which you think would be best for image size and quality, thanks for any help.


vonkara

« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2008, 20:28 »
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Do you talk about the 1DS MarkII? If yes I will surely opt for this one. If not the 40D make a good job also. Stay whit Canon or make the move for Nikon
« Last Edit: February 13, 2008, 20:37 by Vonkara »

« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2008, 00:44 »
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Keep in mind that if you switch from Canon you will most likely have to buy all new lenses, flash, etc.

« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2008, 00:55 »
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The best camera that I have seen justified, economically, has been the 5D (canon). The 1D isn't economically in the microstock setting (not to mention crazy headliners that buy "H' backed digital cameras). At present, the best microstock camera is the 5D Canon.

Remember that the most important choice is the lens quality, not the body. Canon has the best overall quality and quantity of lenses. 

« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2008, 02:21 »
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At present, the best microstock camera is the 5D Canon.

Remember that the most important choice is the lens quality, not the body. Canon has the best overall quality and quantity of lenses. 

First up I don't see how you can make your first statement, please gives reasons why the 5D is the best microstock camera, is it just because you have one. There are many cameras it's equal and quite a few which are better.

Next one I don't think that there is a hell of a lot of difference between the lense line up of canon and nikon, canon make poor quality wide angle lense, why else are all those pro guys over at Fred Miranda and other pro forums using Leica and CZ.......

« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2008, 05:43 »
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Maybe your camera choice should have something to do with the type of photography you propose doing. Requirements for a studio camera are very different from those used when traveling.

« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2008, 07:22 »
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a few of the benefits for the 5D are

full frame sensor (less noise)
12mp - a decent amount
relatively cheap for the functionality and the sensor size.
small (compared to the 1D cameras) so it is nice to travel with - or use it as a walk around camera

« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2008, 07:22 »
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First up I don't see how you can make your first statement, please gives reasons why the 5D is the best microstock camera, is it just because you have one. There are many cameras it's equal and quite a few which are better.

which cameras would you recommend then?

grp_photo

« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2008, 09:38 »
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At present, the best microstock camera is the 5D Canon.

Remember that the most important choice is the lens quality, not the body. Canon has the best overall quality and quantity of lenses. 

First up I don't see how you can make your first statement, please gives reasons why the 5D is the best microstock camera, is it just because you have one. There are many cameras it's equal and quite a few which are better.

Next one I don't think that there is a hell of a lot of difference between the lense line up of canon and nikon, canon make poor quality wide angle lense, why else are all those pro guys over at Fred Miranda and other pro forums using Leica and CZ.......
I'll second this! As a 5D-Owner i would say that the 5D is the worst for Microstock the main reason - DUST. I own 7 DSLRs from three different brands and the 5D is the worst then it comes to Dust its a actually a Dust-Magnet. Yes if you do isolated stuff its okay but anything else especially Macro, Landscapes with blue skies etc you will spend a lot of time removing dust in PS.
And to clean its Sensor is also a task you will have a hard time to clean the corners of the sensor because of the limited space in the mirror-box.
Noise of course is still state-of-the-art but any modern DSLR don't have issues at low iso and high-iso is never recommendable for Microstock.

« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2008, 10:09 »
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I love my 5D except for the dust.  It is a pain as grp_photo indicated.

graficallyminded

« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2008, 11:05 »
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My friend just bought a 5d - I'll let you know what he thinks about it once I find out from him.  The dust thing seems to be the biggest hassle, so for me I'd probably go with the cheaper 40D. 

Is there a website that shows the difference between normal and full frame cameras?  How much more of the shot from the lens do you actually get?

vonkara

« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2008, 13:43 »
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Is there a website that shows the difference between normal and full frame cameras? 
Just choose your cameras to compare and see.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2008, 13:51 »
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My friend just bought a 5d - I'll let you know what he thinks about it once I find out from him.  The dust thing seems to be the biggest hassle, so for me I'd probably go with the cheaper 40D. 

Is there a website that shows the difference between normal and full frame cameras?  How much more of the shot from the lens do you actually get?

why would the dust be any better on a 4D, or other brand camera for that sake?

I don't find it too difficult to clean the camera once every couple months.

grp_photo

« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2008, 14:36 »
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Newer Cameras have a sensorcoating that is less "dust-magnetic".
And a few other improvements which doesn't work all the time but at least make things better. (Filter- or Sensorshaking with a stickingstripe in the mirrorbox thats collect the dust falling from the sensor etc.)
Also thicker AA-Filters makes the dust less visible.
Leaf take your Macrolens manuell focus it on closest distance put it in aperture priority with a aperture of 22 or 32 and release the shutter (point your camera against a white wall or any uniform area it doesn't matter if you have a shutterspeed of several seconds). Now look at the Image and try to clean the corners till the image is totally clear - good luck ;) ;)

« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2008, 14:48 »
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Newer Cameras have a sensorcoating that is less "dust-magnetic".
And a few other improvements which doesn't work all the time but at least make things better. (Filter- or Sensorshaking with a stickingstripe in the mirrorbox thats collect the dust falling from the sensor etc.)
Also thicker AA-Filters makes the dust less visible.
Leaf take your Macrolens manuell focus it on closest distance put it in aperture priority with a aperture of 22 or 32 and release the shutter (point your camera against a white wall or any uniform area it doesn't matter if you have a shutterspeed of several seconds). Now look at the Image and try to clean the corners till the image is totally clear - good luck ;) ;)

Yep, I have done just that.... that is how I clean it - but you forgot to use 'auto levels' in photoshop on the image to really bring the dust to site.

grp_photo

« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2008, 14:55 »
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How old is you 5D? It takes a while till the dust becomes a huge problem with that camera.
How do you clean your camera? Wet or just brush?

Cameras with a crop-sensor have mostly the advantage that you have some room from the sensor-edges to the mirrorbox the 5D-Sensor nearly ends at the Mirrorbox so its more difficult to clean the edges/corners of the sensor.

« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2008, 15:02 »
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I bought the 5D last july.

I have clean it a couple times - the last time being a week ago before a wedding.

Just to double check I took a sensor dust picture just now. 
Here is the dirtiest corner (100% crop of the top right corner after auto levels in photoshop) of the sensor.  The other corners had 3 or so flecks on them.

I clean with a brush and blower, and if necessary swabs.


grp_photo

« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2008, 15:16 »
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I bought mine Autumn 2005 (October or November can't remember exactly) the first half year the dust-problem was not so extreme but it went worse.
I don't have an explanation for this maybe the camera produces some kind of dust in the mirrorbox itself ( maybe some kind of mechanical degradation) maybe this is better with newer production cameras.
The image quality of th 5D is still great even with today standards but in many other aspects the 5D is pretty dated and i'm really sick of cloning dust spots in PS so i wouldn't recommend it today. I think a newer generation camera is the better choice.

« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2008, 15:16 »
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5D is great except the dust problem. I hope Canon will introduce successor to 5D with dust removal system soon :). I found out that dry brushes do not work well with the 5D. Now I use Eclipse liquid sensor swap system which works just great. But it is a great camera. If I have enough money in the future I will go to 1ds series, but meanwhile I stick with the 5d series...

I hope this help.

br, MJP

« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2008, 08:22 »
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First up I don't see how you can make your first statement, please gives reasons why the 5D is the best microstock camera, is it just because you have one. There are many cameras it's equal and quite a few which are better.

which cameras would you recommend then?


I wouldn't recommend any, I'm not an expert on cameras. I think the best camera for stock is the one you have in your hot grubby little hands, anything that can take a photo which is accepted and sells has to be a good camera for stock, in that respect a 5D is no better or worse than any other camera.

I don't think a person can call the 5D or any other camera for that matter the best camera for stock without providing some justification.


 

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