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Microstock Photography Forum - General => Cameras / Lenses => Photography Equipment => Canon => Topic started by: leaf on November 28, 2008, 08:11
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Here is the Rumor and News thread for the Canon 5D Mark III - let us know if you hear something. I'll keep this first post updated with all the info. There is also a good rumor page on the TogTech (http://www.togtech.com/canon-5d-mark-iii/) blog
Dec 6, 2011 Update
Pixel count is now said to be over 30MP, focus - something ala Canon 7D and fps staying where they are with the current 5D mark II
July 7, 2011 Update
No more real news about a new camera. There are rumors about it coming out in 2012, or maybe still late in 2011. I've read reports of both 24mp and 32mp ... I'm hoping for 32 :)
February 17, 2011 Update
There are lots of rumors of 5D mark II's being sold out everywhere. I can see that BHPhoto still has them in stock (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/583953-REG/Canon_2764B003_EOS_5D_Mark_II.html?BI=1878&KW=&KBID=2528), and it looks like Amazon has a few in stock as well (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001G5ZTLS?ie=UTF8&tag=microsameetin-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B001G5ZTLS), so things aren't totally depleted yet. There are also rumors of 'news' coming out that a 2011 release seems highly likely, maybe in March (I don't think so) or maybe later in the year like the last 5D release (my guess)
December 22, 2010 Update
Well here's an update with no real updates... lots of people are talking but nobody has any hard facts
.. but there is a lot of talk about a new form factor for Canon, with the 1Ds series being something different than a 35mm like we are used to. If the 5D is stealing the 1Ds market, then perhaps the 5D will become the new 1Ds in a way and the 1Ds will become something bigger... Looking forward to 2011 to find out!
August 2, 2010 Update
It doesn't like the 5D Mark III is going to be released any time soon, probably not until late 2011. If the release timing is similar to the 5D Mark II (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001G5ZTLS?ie=UTF8&tag=microsameetin-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B001G5ZTLS) then it could be available for late 2011, like around Christmas. It looks like we'll be stuck with the 5D Mark II for a little while longer, which isn't such a bad thing either.
July 7, 2010 Update
The latest rumor is that is will be released in 2011, no details on the specs yet though
March 5, 2010 Update
It looks like we will be waiting a while still - so while we do, here is all the canon threads.
http://www.microstockgroup.com/canon/ (http://www.microstockgroup.com/canon/)
The last rumors suggest a release date of Fall 2010 or spring 2011 but before the 5D Mark III the 1Ds Mark IV will be released so we have a bit of waiting to go. When the 1Ds Mark IV is released we will hopefully get an idea of the specs the 5D Mark III will have as previously the 5D has had very similar specs to the previous 1D camera.
I will keep this post updated with current links or news
5D Mark III search on BHPhoto (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=canon+5d+mark+III&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&BI=1878&KW=&KBID=2528)
Canon 5D Mark III [Amazon Search] (http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Frate-it%3Fie%3DUTF8%26rateKeywords%3Dcanon5d%2520mark%2520III%26x%3D0%26ref_%3Dpd%255Fys%255Fshvl%255Frate%255Fsearch%26y%3D0%26rateIndex%3Dsearch-alias%253Daps&tag=microsameetin-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=390957)
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not that I am impatient or anything.... but I wonder how long we will have to wait before the new 5D comes out.
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you are two years to early
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you are two years to early
well it was one year since the first post - I thought it was time to dig up some tasty rumors ;)
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Wouldn't we see a 1Ds Mark IV first? And then maybe a year later a 5DIII with the same sensor? 8)
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Canon will make annoucement about new products in mid-january. It might be early for a 5D mark III though but they should announce the 60D and 1Ds Mark IV.
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Wouldn't we see a 1Ds Mark IV first? And then maybe a year later a 5DIII with the same sensor? 8)
yeah, that is probably how it will work. Whatever comes out on the 1DsmarkIV will give a good indication of what the next 5D will look like. I am not expecting any 5D's for another year or so though. Hopefully the 1Ds is announced in January like Talanis mentioned
http://www.canonrumors.com/2010/02/5d-mark-iii-cr1/ (http://www.canonrumors.com/2010/02/5d-mark-iii-cr1/)
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here is a 1D mark IV video to tie us over :)
Canon 1DmkIV at the races - test shoot (http://vimeo.com/8186279)
and a wad of rumors from Northern Light Images
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d3.html (http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d3.html)
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I'm not sure I will be upgrading for a few years even if something good does come out. The 5DII pretty much covers all my needs. I don't really need more than 20+ MP, and once they release the firmware update that allows 24P video, it will do everything I've ever wanted my cameras to do. I think I'll probably focus on getting some of the higher end lenses the next couple of years.
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Anyone seen this yet? First rumor I have seen about the 5dmkIII. I hope it is true...especially the part about it getting a 7D AF system. That alone would make it worth it to me. http://www.canonrumors.com/category/photography/5d-mark-iii/ (http://www.canonrumors.com/category/photography/5d-mark-iii/)
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I can't imagine what Canon could possibly offer at this point to persuade me to upgrade from my 5DII. It's everything I want, not to mention need, in a camera :)
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I will be waiting for a 5DIII and hope it'll have 7D's AF. They'll make perhaps a bump in resolution too.
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I read with some interest that engineers at Canon were really upset about the 5D MKII. They were concerned Canon was pursuing pixels over quality. My bet is the next generation of sensors will be no larger but mind blowing quality. My source in Canon in Japan says the IDs replacement will be the vehicle for this.
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I can't imagine what Canon could possibly offer at this point to persuade me to upgrade from my 5DII. It's everything I want, not to mention need, in a camera :)
Actually, there is a lot... Some exaples below...
- 16/18-bit sensor (means automatically HDR)
- lossless image (the old days are gone when we needed hard compression to save memory space)
- dng
- skew-free movie when fast panning left/right
- high fps, like 600 or 1000 (at the cost of reduced frame size, but 60-100 fps can't be a problem @ HD resolution)
- in-camera (also in raw) chromatic aberration and peripheral illumination correction for known lenses
- camera as mass storage device
- wireless LAN connection
- gps data in EXIF
- ... etc. currently available but missing from Canon
Did I mention something impossible today????????
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I'd just like to be able to shoot moire-free video. I have no idea whether or not that's technically feasible, but I'd definitely pay to upgrade if they could achieve that.
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I'd just like to be able to shoot moire-free video.
Me too ... even though I have no idea what that is.
Also, did I mention my source inside Canon Japan is a cleaner. He has the gossip, he has all the gossip.
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I'm going to wait for the 5d mk IV
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I'd just like to be able to shoot moire-free video.
Me too ... even though I have no idea what that is.
;D ;D ;D
Whenever I shoot video clips of moving water (lakes, oceans, etc.), I get awful artifacting. Weird colors that don't belong, such as you might see on TV when someone wears a striped pattern. It's called moire (with an accent thingy I don't know how to type), and it really sucks.
I believe the technical reason for it has something to do with the downsizing that has to be done (i.e., pixels needing to be discarded to make the image only 1920x1080). Whatever the reason, I truly hope the MkIII can fix it.
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I can't imagine what Canon could possibly offer at this point to persuade me to upgrade from my 5DII. It's everything I want, not to mention need, in a camera :)
Actually, there is a lot... Some exaples below...
- 16/18-bit sensor (means automatically HDR)
- lossless image (the old days are gone when we needed hard compression to save memory space)
- dng
- skew-free movie when fast panning left/right
- high fps, like 600 or 1000 (at the cost of reduced frame size, but 60-100 fps can't be a problem @ HD resolution)
- in-camera (also in raw) chromatic aberration and peripheral illumination correction for known lenses
- camera as mass storage device
- wireless LAN connection
- gps data in EXIF
- ... etc. currently available but missing from Canon
Did I mention something impossible today????????
Nope. But you didn't mention anything that would tempt me to upgrade either. Most of what you mentioned are frills have no use/need for, and the rest are related to video, which I don't currently shoot.
If I should decide to shoot video I would rather get a dedicated video camera than struggle with a hybrid that tries to do too much and falls short.
But different strokes for different folks :)
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I can't imagine what Canon could possibly offer at this point to persuade me to upgrade from my 5DII. It's everything I want, not to mention need, in a camera :)
Better AF. Low light focusing is really problematic. I agree with you on everything else.
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Guys we are microstock forum, most of agencies are satisfied with 4mpix right now. Low light focusing? Common, is night photography so big on microstock? You should be using manual focus anyway :-) Movies? Do you need $3K camera for 20 sec clips? Get a Flip, it does HD :-)
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After having a D300 with 51 focus points it was almost impossible for the subject not to be on a focus point. Worked really well.
It would nice to have a few more on the 5DMII. The focusing speed and accuracy work great with USM lenses. Getting the subject near a focus point is the issue.
Focusing alone isn't a huge deal but it depends on what other improvements they make.
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Canon Rumors (http://www.canonrumors.com/category/photography/canon-5d-mark-iii/) had a little post today about some rumored specs
28 megapixel
2 Stop Noise Improvement
63-segment metering
1920Χ1080 30/25/24 frame Video
RAW Video
CES Announcement
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The only thing I can fault about my MkII is the autofocus points, there's not enough for times when you need to use autofocus, if they improve on that I'll get one when it's been out for a couple of months, if not I'll stick with the MkII because it does everything I need and I don't want the extra megapixels.
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I'm very happy with mine, as I've never used a 1d/1ds Mkxx I don't have a problem with the AF system except live view. (I only really use live view when using my macro lens to accurately focus manually)
Improved frame rate would be on my wish list
Any higher pixel count would not really be much of an advantage to me.
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.........as I've never used a 1d/1ds Mkxx I don't have a problem with the AF system except live view.
Going from the 1Ds range to 5D the only difference I noticed was a massive drop in quality of the autofocus. On the Ds I could confidently use autofocus in the studio in any situation, I'd never have the same confidence with the 5DmkII.
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I hope they are not upgrading soon, I just bought me another 5D mk II so that I would have my old one as a backup....
I would like to see:
-Just a bit more megapixels
-More (and faster / more accurate) AF points
-Still a bit less noise
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I want:
off camera flash control, weather proofing, better sensor cleaning, couple extra mp
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December 22, 2012 Update
Well here's an update with no real updates...
No-one's to blame, I know time flies so quickly ;)
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December 22, 2012 Update
Well here's an update with no real updates...
No-one's to blame, I know time flies so quickly ;)
haha.. thanks.
fixed.
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I spoke with a Canon Rep a couple weeks ago and asked what he thought. He said if there was something in the works that no one would know about it as their confidentiality agreements are off the charts if they really want to keep a secret. He speculated that it would be a while before it's upgraded as the 5DMarkII is still flying off the shelves as fast as they can deliver them.
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He speculated that it would be a while before it's upgraded as the 5DMarkII is still flying off the shelves as fast as they can deliver them.
It would make sense for Canon to have a Camera 'on hand' ready for when the sales start to slump, constantly upgrading the specs of what the camera will have inside until it is finally announced. Then when the sales slow down.. tada we have a new camera ready.
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It would make sense for Canon to have a Camera 'on hand' ready for when the sales start to slump, constantly upgrading the specs of what the camera will have inside until it is finally announced. Then when the sales slow down.. tada we have a new camera ready.
Trouble is realistically, who actually needs more camera the the 5D MkII already is? The various pro specialists are already catered for by the 1D range and the 5D MkII is really aimed at the generalist pro (i.e. stock), or maybe as a second body, and the up-market hobbyist.
How do you significantly improve, with stuff that is actually useful, a camera that is virtually perfect and that has to stay within a certain price-point ... whilst also not intruding into the territory of the 1D range?
I think we'll get a replacement 1Ds MkIV long before a 5D MkIII. The new technology is always introduced first to the top-end models and then trickles down over time __ same with everything. I was intrigued by the Red One claim of having a dynamic range of 13 (?). That's better than the human eye. Imagine no more shadow recovery, etc. Maybe that's the new technology that we'll see on the new top models.
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.........as I've never used a 1d/1ds Mkxx I don't have a problem with the AF system except live view.
Going from the 1Ds range to 5D the only difference I noticed was a massive drop in quality of the autofocus. On the Ds I could confidently use autofocus in the studio in any situation, I'd never have the same confidence with the 5DmkII.
Yep! 5d2 only works with the centre-point AF and frankly I am not too impressed with my D3X, AF points either.
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I have the original 5D and the MK2. To be honest the original has less noise at 100 ISO and is a tad sharper straight out of camera.
I don't need more megapixels to clog up my post processing speed, thank you very much.
What would compel me to upgrade would be better dynamic range and more + more accurate focus points.
The array of focus points is not wide enough in the 5D series.
If I am in portrait orientation and use the top point to focus on a models eye for instance, then there is a ton of frame left over above the models head that I have to crop out later.
If I focus and recompose, I risk losing critical focus on the eye unless shooting at f16 or greater.
Also shooting action is really not the forte' of the 5D bodies. Need to go to a 1D or a 7D to shoot action.
Maybe that's my solution. A 7D for action and a ??? for portrait work?
Are you listening Canon!?
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I have the original 5D and the MK2. To be honest the original has less noise at 100 ISO and is a tad sharper straight out of camera.
I don't need more megapixels to clog up my post processing speed, thank you very much.
What would compel me to upgrade would be better dynamic range and more + more accurate focus points.
The array of focus points is not wide enough in the 5D series.
If I am in portrait orientation and use the top point to focus on a models eye for instance, then there is a ton of frame left over above the models head that I have to crop out later.
If I focus and recompose, I risk losing critical focus on the eye unless shooting at f16 or greater.
Also shooting action is really not the forte' of the 5D bodies. Need to go to a 1D or a 7D to shoot action.
Maybe that's my solution. A 7D for action and a ??? for portrait work?
Are you listening Canon!?
dont know how you can say the original 5d gives less noise then the MII and at base-ISO. It must be your camera. My MII, is almost as good as my D3X, with the exeption of AF.
Superb IQ and extremly sharp straight out of camera.
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I say it because it is true in my case, for my bodies.
Two bodies, same lenses (85mm1.8, 28-70 2.8L, 70-200 2.8L IS), same software.
I believe that there is a stronger anti-aliasing filter on the MK2 accounting for a slight softness in the out of camera images.
PS- I only shoot RAW, so there is no in camera sharpening going on.
The noise is only in the darker areas of the image and easily cleaned up.
This is a known problem and complained about vociferously on DP Review.
Thank goodness I don't also have the banding issue.
At any rate I have learned to always expose to the right on the MK2 whereas with the MK1 I had a but more leeway.
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I have the original 5D and the MK2. To be honest the original has less noise at 100 ISO and is a tad sharper straight out of camera.
You should really first resize the images to the same size to compare this. If you upsize a mkI file to 5606 pixels on the longer side, do you still consider it sharper than a mkII file?
Of course mkII will appear softer if you don't have the absolute top of the line lenses (There are prime lenses that outperforms your zooms) and shoot at medium apertures. More megapixels doesn't help if your lenses aren't up to the task.
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Hey Perry, got any recommendations for the best primes?
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Hey Perry, got any recommendations for the best primes?
I have no idea. I know that (stopped down) 100/2.8L macro is very sharp, as is 135/2L.
Some say the (discontinued) 200/1.8 is the sharpest one, and that 85/1.2 is great too, but I have no experience with those (they aren't exactly cheap!)
Even 50/1.4 should be sharper than any zooms.
Have you done sharpness comparisons with 85/1.8 at f/8...f/11 ?
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I only have prime lenses, because of the better image quality and speed. At the edges of the frame or in the corners, most zooms can't come even close to the primes. I say most zooms, because there are few exceptional lenses which can compete with fixed focals. For example the Nikon 14-24mm, the Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 II.
My latest zoom was a 17-40, I happily exchanged it with a prime ;D a month ago.
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I can't say I am ready to buy a new camera but I am still thirsty for news :)
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Yeah, same here Leaf. I love my 5DMII so the vIII would need to have some major upgrades to squeeze any microstock pennies out of my wallet. Better focusing system tops my list for photos and especially video. Better jpegs would help. Articulating LCD. Wireless. Better Auto-ISO.
I have a feeling that vIII will have a big price increase because vII was such a hot seller and probably ate into higher priced model sales. I'm guessing $3,000 - $3,500 for a vIII body. If it does go up that much I'll probably hold off.
Canon Rumors latest info suggests multiple 5Ds (http://www.canonrumors.com/2011/05/the-future-of-the-1ds-5d-lines-cr2/)
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I hope the hype it up like hell, and the technomasturbators will be selling almost unused 5D mkIIs en masse.
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here's a little (fake.. it was a school project for a kid to make a commercial) commercial for it ;)
Canon EOS 5D Mark III Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_7W8E-bi8#)
fun none the less
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I hope the hype it up like hell, and the technomasturbators will be selling almost unused 5D mkIIs en masse.
Sorry will keep my MarkII as a back-up ;-)
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I can't imagine what a Mark III would have that would make me want to upgrade.
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I can't imagine what a Mark III would have that would make me want to upgrade.
Better AF (faster more cross points), weather sealing (good for some people), flash control from the body, more video modes with higher bit rate, gps, wireless connectivity for viewing on a laptop while shooting, few extra megapixels, higher fps... lots of things could be improved or added to make it better.
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I can't imagine what a Mark III would have that would make me want to upgrade.
Better AF (faster more cross points), weather sealing (good for some people), flash control from the body, more video modes with higher bit rate, gps, wireless connectivity for viewing on a laptop while shooting, few extra megapixels, higher fps... lots of things could be improved or added to make it better.
Nothing there that would prise another $3,000 out of my pocket.
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I can't imagine what a Mark III would have that would make me want to upgrade.
Better AF (faster more cross points), weather sealing (good for some people), flash control from the body, more video modes with higher bit rate, gps, wireless connectivity for viewing on a laptop while shooting, few extra megapixels, higher fps... lots of things could be improved or added to make it better.
Nothing there that would prise another $3,000 out of my pocket.
wow.. what do you want from it? just curious!
I have a D90 and I am planning to get a FF so I am waiting for new D700 or this III
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I can't imagine what a Mark III would have that would make me want to upgrade.
Better AF (faster more cross points), weather sealing (good for some people), flash control from the body, more video modes with higher bit rate, gps, wireless connectivity for viewing on a laptop while shooting, few extra megapixels, higher fps... lots of things could be improved or added to make it better.
+ an up-to-date dust removal and even better high iso
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I can't imagine what a Mark III would have that would make me want to upgrade.
Better AF (faster more cross points), weather sealing (good for some people), flash control from the body, more video modes with higher bit rate, gps, wireless connectivity for viewing on a laptop while shooting, few extra megapixels, higher fps... lots of things could be improved or added to make it better.
Nothing there that would prise another $3,000 out of my pocket.
wow.. what do you want from it? just curious!
Like I said, there is nothing I can think of. Weather proofing would be nice but not nice enough to justify spending $3k to add a Mk3 to the Mk1 and Mk2 I already have. All the things in the list are "maybe that would be nice to have if I ever need it" additions, not essentials. The real killer on the upgrade from Mk 1 to Mk 2 was the dust removal system. Video was interesting but personally I already have enough to do without getting into that in any serious way.
Of course, if I didn't already have the Mk2 then I would be interested in what a Mk3 might have to offer (and I would probably hold off spending until a new version came out).
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leaked photos anyone?
http://www.togtech.com/canon-5d-mark-iii-sneak-peek/ (http://www.togtech.com/canon-5d-mark-iii-sneak-peek/)
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I'm really anxious to see what the new MIII specs are.
I'm going to speculate that the new X model will be the fast sports/news camera and the MIII will be the slower hi-res/landscape camera.
18MP and slow performance in the MIII would be a sales flop unless they added some new magical features (better video?) to make up for that. And if Nikon's D800 does end up being 30MP+ the MIII would get killed in sales along with seeing some Canon to Nikon defectors. This would be a bad move by Canon and I wouldn't buy this version.
28MP/30MP+ makes sense. This route would be the slower performing hi-res version that wouldn't compete with the new high priced fast X model. Big megapixel cameras are dirt cheap now so Canon, and all the others, don't have a whole lot of options here but to go bigger MP and affordable. If it's around the same price range as the MII I would buy this version.
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^^^ I think it is highly unlikely that the MkIII, whenever it does arrive, will have extra MP. If Canon had developed such a sensor they would surely have offered it in a new 1Ds version first.
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^^^ I think it is highly unlikely that the MkIII, whenever it does arrive, will have extra MP. If Canon had developed such a sensor they would surely have offered it in a new 1Ds version first.
Not if the priority was "fast". Shooting/processing 30mp images would compromize the fps.
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^^^ I think it is highly unlikely that the MkIII, whenever it does arrive, will have extra MP. If Canon had developed such a sensor they would surely have offered it in a new 1Ds version first.
Not if the priority was "fast". Shooting/processing 30mp images would compromize the fps.
In which case they wouldn't have combined the 'new' 1D & 1Ds into the X __ which they have. Ergo there is no new extra MP sensor that has been developed.
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^^^ I think it is highly unlikely that the MkIII, whenever it does arrive, will have extra MP. If Canon had developed such a sensor they would surely have offered it in a new 1Ds version first.
Not if the priority was "fast". Shooting/processing 30mp images would compromize the fps.
In which case they wouldn't have combined the 'new' 1D & 1Ds into the X __ which they have. Ergo there is no new extra MP sensor that has been developed.
"Ergo there is no new extra MP sensor that has been developed..." that you know of.
The 5DMII seemed to sell unbelievably well which could justify investment in a new sensor. The 5DMII was a parts-bin camera which allowed the low price and was probably hugely profitable.
A new sensor could probably be used in other areas for Canon such as new video camera models. The MIII would just need to be dumbed down a bit to prevent competing with other Canon still and motion products.
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I would be much more interested in lower noise than higher MPs. If it went up to 22 or 24 that would be negligible, as long as noise is reduced. Plus, the focusing system needs a major upgrade. Not sure if all of these things will convince me to trade in my MkII though.
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I'm really anxious to see what the new MIII specs are.
I'm going to speculate that the new X model will be the fast sports/news camera and the MIII will be the slower hi-res/landscape camera.
18MP and slow performance in the MIII would be a sales flop unless they added some new magical features (better video?) to make up for that. And if Nikon's D800 does end up being 30MP+ the MIII would get killed in sales along with seeing some Canon to Nikon defectors. This would be a bad move by Canon and I wouldn't buy this version.
28MP/30MP+ makes sense. This route would be the slower performing hi-res version that wouldn't compete with the new high priced fast X model. Big megapixel cameras are dirt cheap now so Canon, and all the others, don't have a whole lot of options here but to go bigger MP and affordable. If it's around the same price range as the MII I would buy this version.
Canon Rumors (http://www.canonrumors.com/2011/12/nikon-d4-specs-revealed-1d-x-has-competition/) posted about a possible new competitor to the 1DX.
Nikon seems to have learned. So like I said, one fast camera, one slower high res camera.
If Canon is planning to use the 1DX sensor in the new 5DMIII and just dumb the speed they are going to get spanked hard by Nikon's D800.
I love my 5DMII but if the MIII doesn't have something big I'll have no reason to upgrade. Better focusing, higher res sensor, better video, and more features would open my wallet.
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5dMarkII down to less than 2K now at Adorama: http://www.adorama.com/ICA5DM2.html?emailprice=t&utm_term=Other&utm_medium=Others&utm_campaign=Other&utm_source=joelm (http://www.adorama.com/ICA5DM2.html?emailprice=t&utm_term=Other&utm_medium=Others&utm_campaign=Other&utm_source=joelm)
Could this be them dumping their stock as quickly as possible in anticipation of the new version hitting the shelves?
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It does match what has happened at times in the past when a new product was due.
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Apparently the 5D mark III has been spotted in the wild
http://www.togtech.com/canon-5d-mark-iii-200-400mm-and-600mm-prototype-lenses-spotted-in-the-wild-rumor-mill/ (http://www.togtech.com/canon-5d-mark-iii-200-400mm-and-600mm-prototype-lenses-spotted-in-the-wild-rumor-mill/)
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Apparently the 5D mark III has been spotted in the wild
[url]http://www.togtech.com/canon-5d-mark-iii-200-400mm-and-600mm-prototype-lenses-spotted-in-the-wild-rumor-mill/[/url] ([url]http://www.togtech.com/canon-5d-mark-iii-200-400mm-and-600mm-prototype-lenses-spotted-in-the-wild-rumor-mill/[/url])
Yeah and I hear they were shooting unicorns with it
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Would be nice to see some solid specs. Most recent rumors say the sensor won't be more megapixels (18-22) but will have faster performance. That doesn't make sense. Isn't that a 1DX?
Nikon seems to have got it right with one high performance (D4) and one high res (D800) camera. Hopefully Canon doesn't botch this by launching a 5DMIII that has people scratching their heads.
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Isn't that a 1DX?
Don't think so. It appears to have a battery grip fixed to the body which makes the camera look bigger than it is. The 200-400mm lens does give the story some authenticity __ unless it is an elaborate hoax!
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Isn't that a 1DX?
Don't think so. It appears to have a battery grip fixed to the body which makes the camera look bigger than it is. The 200-400mm lens does give the story some authenticity __ unless it is an elaborate hoax!
When I said "isn't that a 1DX" I didn't mean literally. I meant that if they made the 5DIII 18-22MP with faster performance, wouldn't that basically be similar as a 1DX? This wouldn't make sense. I would have no reason to drop a few grand on a camera that's a little faster than my 5DII. Plus if the D800 is 30+MP, Nikon will be eating into Canon's market share in this segment.
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Yeah, that would seem a little confusing to have two cameras with very similar specs, but that is also what they did with the 1Ds Mark III and the 5D - essentially identical except for more buttons, battery, focus points on the 1D so it wouldn't surprise me if the rumors are correct about the 5D ...
Perhaps they will launch an additional camera that is a megapixel hog. You'd think they need something to compete with Nikon's supposed D800 (lots of megapixels) and medium format cameras.
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I wish only one thing: better dynamic range on sensor, that's all.
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I don't think that the new 5D will have the same MP count ( or between 18-22MP) a 28-32MP will be a fair count. The pics from Africa i believe is a 7D MK2 or a 5DX
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I don't think that the new 5D will have the same MP count ( or between 18-22MP) a 28-32MP will be a fair count. The pics from Africa i believe is a 7D MK2 or a 5DX
Are you voting for a 5DX AND a 5D Mark III??
I sure would have thought that the next 5D would be a high MP count but all the rumors are saying that it will be around 22MP. I would have also guessed that the new 1Dx would have been a high MP count as well
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I wish only one thing: better dynamic range on sensor, that's all.
... well whatever comes out, I'm guessing you'll get your wish.
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I don't think that the new 5D will have the same MP count ( or between 18-22MP) a 28-32MP will be a fair count. The pics from Africa i believe is a 7D MK2 or a 5DX
Are you voting for a 5DX AND a 5D Mark III??
I sure would have thought that the next 5D would be a high MP count but all the rumors are saying that it will be around 22MP. I would have also guessed that the new 1Dx would have been a high MP count as well
I vote for a 7Dmk2 without a pop-up flash and an APS-C or APS-H sensor, or a 5DX ( 5Dmk2 combined with 7D).
If the rumors are true, 5Dmk3 with 22MP, than i believe we will see a new camera ( with high MP count) from canon in near future.
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Is it possible to "build our own" camera?? A la a Dell Computer???
I'll take ...
- a 21MP APS-H sensor
- 8 fps
- Dual Digic 5 processors
- Infrared controller flash (pop-up if need be)
- ISO to 25,600 (max)
- Sensor cleaning
- whatever else....
etc.....
Just curious
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Is it possible to "build our own" camera?? A la a Dell Computer???
Now that would be good.
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Is it possible to "build our own" camera?? A la a Dell Computer???
Now that would be good.
+1
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Is it possible to "build our own" camera?? A la a Dell Computer???
I'll take ...
- a 21MP APS-H sensor
- 8 fps
- Dual Digic 5 processors
- Infrared controller flash (pop-up if need be)
- ISO to 25,600 (max)
- Sensor cleaning
- whatever else....
etc.....
Just curious
Isn't that basically what the "RED" camera system is?
A modular system that allows one to pick and choose the specs.
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I had put a deposit down to hold my place in line for a 1DX at a local camera store. As time goes on I'm getting sticker shock in advance so I called them. They already had a list going for a 5D Mark III. I switched my deposit over. Couldn't get a straight answer as to whether the list was in place because they knew something or if it was just speculation. My guess is the latter. Either way, I hope a definitive answer comes sooner rather than later.
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Is it possible to "build our own" camera?? A la a Dell Computer???
I'll take ...
- a 21MP APS-H sensor
- 8 fps
- Dual Digic 5 processors
- Infrared controller flash (pop-up if need be)
- ISO to 25,600 (max)
- Sensor cleaning
- whatever else....
etc.....
Just curious
Little off topic...
The only way that Canon will ''beat'' the new Nikon D400 ( with in my opinion will be a better camera than 7D) is to use an APS-H sensor with say 21MP and the ability to use EF-s lenses on the camera at a 16-17 MP final resolution.
5DMK3 certainly will have a full frame sensor, and 1DX is FF also. At this point the APS-H sensor is not in use anymore ( except 1Dmk4 that will be discontinued eventually).
I believe this will be the smartest market move from canon.
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Canon Rumors just posted an update with these specs. Blahhhhh.
I'm hoping this is wrong. If it's accurate, not sure what Canon is thinking. It's basically a slower performing version, and competitor to, their own 1DX. I can't see dropping $2,700 on something that's a slightly updated version of the 5DMII. Who would buy this? Not existing Canon people. Not people who are comparing a Nikon D800 to Canon's offerings.
Also, 22MP doesn't seem viable which makes me think it's BS. Why would Canon make a new 18MP sensor for the 1DX and what seems to be another barely bigger new 22MP sensor? I can't see being able to justify the costs.
5D X
22 mp
61pt AF with DIGIC 4
6.9 FPS
DIGIC 5 (Doesnt say DIGIC 5+)
Announcement February 28
+ with 3 lens
Available April $2700
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^^^ To be honest the 1Dx was such a bizarre and disappointing offering (after a 4 year wait for a new 1Ds) that nothing would surprise me.
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If the 5D sticks at 22mp (which sure seems will happen) I can't believe Canon won't come out with a higher MP camera called something else. They will need something to compete with the Nikon D800 (http://www.togtech.com/tag/nikon-d800/) (36MP) and medium format cameras in general (which are getting pretty cheap as well)
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If the 5D sticks at 22mp (which sure seems will happen) I can't believe Canon won't come out with a higher MP camera called something else. They will need something to compete with the Nikon D800 ([url]http://www.togtech.com/tag/nikon-d800/[/url]) (36MP) and medium format cameras in general (which are getting pretty cheap as well)
That plus big megapixels are getting cheap. Entry level DSLRs are now pushing 16MP+. And the NEX-7 at 24MP is supposed to have as good, or possibly even better IQ than the 5DMII and will be a little over $1,000. If Canon is trying to not cannibalize their own sales they may not have noticed there are other cannibals besides themselves waiting to eat them.
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But are big megapixels still the driving force behind camera sales? I'm not quite sure how 36 megapixels will benefit me, especially if it comes with an increase in noise. Canon made the statement with the D1x that image quality should be the new driving factor, and I agree with them. Give me larger microlenses instead of more and more noisy pixels.
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5D X
22 mp
61pt AF with DIGIC 4
6.9 FPS
DIGIC 5 (Doesnt say DIGIC 5+)
Announcement February 28
+ with 3 lens
Available April $2700
I hope the 61pt AF is going to be very good. With a decent AF and better dynamics and less noise = worthy successor to the 5D mk II.
On a sidenote: why would they throw away the "mark..." naming system, I always liked it: clear and systematic. What are they going to call the next one? 5D XY 6D X? 4D X?
Wonder what the lenses are going to be? I hope they don't update the 35/1.4 (because It's an old lens design and I just bought one!)
I'd very much like a 50/1.4 mk II. Or even a decent 28mm.
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On a sidenote: why would they throw away the "mark..." naming system, I always liked it: clear and systematic. What are they going to call the next one? 5D XY 6D X? 4D X?
The 5D X Mark II, of course. ;D
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But are big megapixels still the driving force behind camera sales? I'm not quite sure how 36 megapixels will benefit me, especially if it comes with an increase in noise. Canon made the statement with the D1x that image quality should be the new driving factor, and I agree with them. Give me larger microlenses instead of more and more noisy pixels.
The Nikon D4 is aimed for performance shooters like sports and news. The D800 is aimed at shooters who require high resolution like landscape or medium format.
The Canon 1DX is aimed for performance shooters like sports and news. The 5DX is aimed at... uh... well... ??? performance shooters who don't quite need as much performance?
If I had 36MP I could downsize or even crop to XXXL and have a lot of room to play with. Now if an image is so-so I normally downsize to L or M.
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5DX might be aimed at studio shooters who would also like performance for outdoor photography. If the specs are right, then I believe it's a smart move from Canon. Better focusing system is all I wanted on my 5d2. It sounds like a reasonable update. On the other hand, I fail to see how Nikon will get clean images from a 36 MP full frame sensor. I suspect you won't be able to "crop to xxxl" from a noisy / soft image, but rather downsize and there goes your MP advantage...
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5DX might be aimed at studio shooters who would also like performance for outdoor photography. If the specs are right, then I believe it's a smart move from Canon. Better focusing system is all I wanted on my 5d2. It sounds like a reasonable update. On the other hand, I fail to see how Nikon will get clean images from a 36 MP full frame sensor. I suspect you won't be able to "crop to xxxl" from a noisy / soft image, but rather downsize and there goes your MP advantage...
I think if Sony can get near full frame quality from a 24MP crop sensor it shouldn't be too hard to get excellent quality from a 36MP full frame sensor.
And I'm not sure why everyone complains about the 5DMII's focusing. I've used if for everything including fast moving objects and it works fine. So just to have 61pts is worth spending $2,700? Not for me. If these specs are right I'll be taking the money I have set aside for the new 5D and picking up an NEX-7.
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5DX might be aimed at studio shooters who would also like performance for outdoor photography. If the specs are right, then I believe it's a smart move from Canon. Better focusing system is all I wanted on my 5d2. It sounds like a reasonable update. On the other hand, I fail to see how Nikon will get clean images from a 36 MP full frame sensor. I suspect you won't be able to "crop to xxxl" from a noisy / soft image, but rather downsize and there goes your MP advantage...
I think if Sony can get near full frame quality from a 24MP crop sensor it shouldn't be too hard to get excellent quality from a 36MP full frame sensor.
And I'm not sure why everyone complains about the 5DMII's focusing. I've used if for everything including fast moving objects and it works fine. So just to have 61pts is worth spending $2,700? Not for me. If these specs are right I'll be taking the money I have set aside for the new 5D and picking up an NEX-7.
I don't see NEX-7 image quality nowhere near full frame. But it's great for APS-C sensors. Check the noise on raw images, dpreview has them and compare to 60D for example. Sony did a great job with their jpeg engine and noise reduction algorithms but it's not enough, images get smudged after iso 400.
Without taking into account other aspects, such as very thin DOF that you can get on FF, your 14mm lens is a real 14mm, etc. - so I don't see how you'd want the NEX-7 over any FF.
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But are big megapixels still the driving force behind camera sales? I'm not quite sure how 36 megapixels will benefit me, especially if it comes with an increase in noise. Canon made the statement with the D1x that image quality should be the new driving factor, and I agree with them. Give me larger microlenses instead of more and more noisy pixels.
The Nikon D4 is aimed for performance shooters like sports and news. The D800 is aimed at shooters who require high resolution like landscape or medium format.
The Canon 1DX is aimed for performance shooters like sports and news. The 5DX is aimed at... uh... well... ??? performance shooters who don't quite need as much performance?
If I had 36MP I could downsize or even crop to XXXL and have a lot of room to play with. Now if an image is so-so I normally downsize to L or M.
Yeah, you can downsize 36MP and still have room to spare, but you can downsize 100MP even more! 100MP on a standard 24x26 sensor would produce pure noise, and downsizing noise would just give you smaller noise. I'm not sure where it is, but there has to be a sweet spot in the middle somewhere. At 21MP I'm already at the XXL size on istock, so I don't really need more pixels. I just need the pixels I have to be cleaner. Larger microlenses would give me that, as well as far superior high ISO performance.
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5DX might be aimed at studio shooters who would also like performance for outdoor photography. If the specs are right, then I believe it's a smart move from Canon. Better focusing system is all I wanted on my 5d2. It sounds like a reasonable update. On the other hand, I fail to see how Nikon will get clean images from a 36 MP full frame sensor. I suspect you won't be able to "crop to xxxl" from a noisy / soft image, but rather downsize and there goes your MP advantage...
I think if Sony can get near full frame quality from a 24MP crop sensor it shouldn't be too hard to get excellent quality from a 36MP full frame sensor.
And I'm not sure why everyone complains about the 5DMII's focusing. I've used if for everything including fast moving objects and it works fine. So just to have 61pts is worth spending $2,700? Not for me. If these specs are right I'll be taking the money I have set aside for the new 5D and picking up an NEX-7.
+1
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Latest rumors from canonrumors.com ( http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/02/5d-split-5d-x-5d-mark-iii-cr1/ (http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/02/5d-split-5d-x-5d-mark-iii-cr1/) )
5D Split? 5D X & 5D Mark III [CR1]
Interesting thought
A split in the 5D line has been rumoured for a while now. This rumor was not submitted to me, instead it was sent to [NL]. Its consistent with some things I have heard, however take this one with a large grain of salt.
5D X
45MP (With a pixel size similar to the power shot G1X)
61 points AF (Similar to the 1DX but simpler)
3.4 fps, 100-6400 (50-12800)
1 Digic 5+ Digic 4
5D Mark III
22MP
61 points AF (Similar to the 1DX but simpler)
6.9 fps, ISO 100-25600(50-51200)
1 Digic 5+ Digic 4
Best HD video quality of any EOS camera
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Yes, they talk about super-sampling on Mark III in video mode, witch is possible with 22MP. This will be a breakthrough in video if it is real.
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Leaked photos of the 5D Mark III
http://www.togtech.com/canon-5d-mark-iii/ (http://www.togtech.com/canon-5d-mark-iii/)
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$2,700 is down from $3,500 which looks more realistic but I'm still holding out for a higher MP version. I rarely shoot anything moving that fast that I can justify dropping that kind of money to get better focus. Plus better ISO performance is nice but I use a tripod before I go beyond ISO200 so again not worth it to me. Bring on the 5DX.
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$2,700 is down from $3,500 which looks more realistic but I'm still holding out for a higher MP version. I rarely shoot anything moving that fast that I can justify dropping that kind of money to get better focus. Plus better ISO performance is nice but I use a tripod before I go beyond ISO200 so again not worth it to me. Bring on the 5DX.
Yeah, I think the fact that this is called a 5D Mark III gives more evidence that we'll see a 5Dx coming.. since they seem to be naming all their cameras X this year.
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Apart from the little "Mark III" badge, which has one more "I", that camera appears to be identical in every respect to the Mk II. Of course, it's quite possible that they are using the same body but it's also possible someone did a tiny bit of faking of numbers, isn't it?
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Apart from the little "Mark III" badge, which has one more "I", that camera appears to be identical in every respect to the Mk II. Of course, it's quite possible that they are using the same body but it's also possible someone did a tiny bit of faking of numbers, isn't it?
no, it's different.
Before, the eos was in the smooth part and the 5D was in the grippy part. Now both are in the middle. There is also a mic hole just below the logo which wasn't there before.
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I can't believe they're bringing back eye-controlled autofocus. I found that completely useless back on my Elan IIe. When I look through the viewfinder I'm hardy ever staring straight at the point of focus; I'm looking at the overall composition. My eye darts all over the scene. I don't have to stare directly at the point of focus to tell what is in focus. Just another bell that I will pay for and immediately turn off.
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Apart from the little "Mark III" badge, which has one more "I", that camera appears to be identical in every respect to the Mk II. Of course, it's quite possible that they are using the same body but it's also possible someone did a tiny bit of faking of numbers, isn't it?
no, it's different.
Before, the eos was in the smooth part and the 5D was in the grippy part. Now both are in the middle. There is also a mic hole just below the logo which wasn't there before.
Also, the mode dial is missing 'CA'. I've never used it, and I don't even know what it is (adds Chromatic Aberrations? :)), but it's gone from the mode dial.
Looks like the real thing to me.
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Apart from the little "Mark III" badge, which has one more "I", that camera appears to be identical in every respect to the Mk II. Of course, it's quite possible that they are using the same body but it's also possible someone did a tiny bit of faking of numbers, isn't it?
no, it's different.
Before, the eos was in the smooth part and the 5D was in the grippy part. Now both are in the middle. There is also a mic hole just below the logo which wasn't there before.
Ah ... I see it now - they are pictures of two completely different cameras. The top one is different from the Mk2 the one further down the page isn't.
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Apart from the little "Mark III" badge, which has one more "I", that camera appears to be identical in every respect to the Mk II. Of course, it's quite possible that they are using the same body but it's also possible someone did a tiny bit of faking of numbers, isn't it?
no, it's different.
Before, the eos was in the smooth part and the 5D was in the grippy part. Now both are in the middle. There is also a mic hole just below the logo which wasn't there before.
Ah ... I see it now - they are pictures of two completely different cameras. The top one is different from the Mk2 the one further down the page isn't.
ah yes.. got it. Sorry - That image farther down the page was just a 'holding' image that I made once, and yes - a simple photoshop job with no attempt at being realistic. I removed it now to stop any further confusion. I forgot it was there in all the excitement :)
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I can't believe they're bringing back eye-controlled autofocus. I found that completely useless back on my Elan IIe. When I look through the viewfinder I'm hardy ever staring straight at the point of focus; I'm looking at the overall composition. My eye darts all over the scene. I don't have to stare directly at the point of focus to tell what is in focus. Just another bell that I will pay for and immediately turn off.
I found eye-controlled focus point very good and useful on my 50E. I couldn't understand why they appear to have abandoned the technology just when they finally got it working well.
Btw, it doesn't operate all the time but only when you depress the shutter halfway down (just like the autofocus does normally) so you can still have your eyes 'darting all over the scene' whilst you are composing. Having done so, you then stare at the point where you want the focus to be and depress the shutter __ and hey presto, the focus point should light up where you are looking. Magic.
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I can't believe they're bringing back eye-controlled autofocus. I found that completely useless back on my Elan IIe. When I look through the viewfinder I'm hardy ever staring straight at the point of focus; I'm looking at the overall composition. My eye darts all over the scene. I don't have to stare directly at the point of focus to tell what is in focus. Just another bell that I will pay for and immediately turn off.
I found eye-controlled focus point very good and useful on my 50E. I couldn't understand why they appear to have abandoned the technology just when they finally got it working well.
Btw, it doesn't operate all the time but only when you depress the shutter halfway down (just like the autofocus does normally) so you can still have your eyes 'darting all over the scene' whilst you are composing. Having done so, you then stare at the point where you want the focus to be and depress the shutter __ and hey presto, the focus point should light up where you are looking. Magic.
I've never had a camera with eye-controlled focus, but what you explained there sounds very useful. I hate trying to recompose the shot after focusing and I hate changing my focus points.
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I can't believe they're bringing back eye-controlled autofocus. I found that completely useless back on my Elan IIe. When I look through the viewfinder I'm hardy ever staring straight at the point of focus; I'm looking at the overall composition. My eye darts all over the scene. I don't have to stare directly at the point of focus to tell what is in focus. Just another bell that I will pay for and immediately turn off.
I found eye-controlled focus point very good and useful on my 50E. I couldn't understand why they appear to have abandoned the technology just when they finally got it working well.
Btw, it doesn't operate all the time but only when you depress the shutter halfway down (just like the autofocus does normally) so you can still have your eyes 'darting all over the scene' whilst you are composing. Having done so, you then stare at the point where you want the focus to be and depress the shutter __ and hey presto, the focus point should light up where you are looking. Magic.
I've also never used it but I agree, what you just described sounds pretty good.
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I can't believe they're bringing back eye-controlled autofocus. I found that completely useless back on my Elan IIe. When I look through the viewfinder I'm hardy ever staring straight at the point of focus; I'm looking at the overall composition. My eye darts all over the scene. I don't have to stare directly at the point of focus to tell what is in focus. Just another bell that I will pay for and immediately turn off.
I found eye-controlled focus point very good and useful on my 50E. I couldn't understand why they appear to have abandoned the technology just when they finally got it working well.
Btw, it doesn't operate all the time but only when you depress the shutter halfway down (just like the autofocus does normally) so you can still have your eyes 'darting all over the scene' whilst you are composing. Having done so, you then stare at the point where you want the focus to be and depress the shutter __ and hey presto, the focus point should light up where you are looking. Magic.
Would work for me with people riding in the back of a pickup waving at the crowd, grandstand in the back (camera gets terribly confused) or one person in a line of people. On the other hand, everything else 5D is NOT a sports camera. So maybe when the 7D MK II comes out?
I'm still waiting for the G1x which was announced what seems ages ago and hasn't even been delivered yet. What's the date on the new 5D July or August? ???
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Canon rumors just posted the what are supposed to be the full specs.
If this is a replacement for the 7D and they still also plan to release a bigger MP 5DX, then that would be a good move on their part.
If this is the only version of the 5D they plan to release over the next three years, I would call this a minor incremental upgrade and a major disappointment. I'll wait a while but my eyes are wandering toward a D800. Three years and this is all they could come up with? It looks like they designed a completely new sensor that's 1MP bigger and reused some parts they had laying around ??? The 5DMII was a parts bin camera but at least they doubled the megapixels which is why it sold like crazy. We now have portable cameras for less than half the cost (NEX-7?) that are getting close to these specs.
What am I missing here that I should not be yawning about this?
Unsurpassed Image Quality
22.3 Megapixel Full Frame CMOS sensor
DiG!C 5+ Image Processor
ISO 100-25600 (expandable to L:50 H1:51200, H2: 102400
Full HD Movie (ISO 100-12800 (H:25600)
High Performance Operation
61-point high-density reticular AF (up to 41 crosstype points)
6.0 fps for high continuous shooting
Intelligent viewfinder with approx. 100% coverage
3.2-type, approx.1.04m dot (3:2 wide) Clear View LCD II
iFCL metering with 63-zone dual-layer sensor
Shutter durability of 150,000 cycles
High end features
Silent & low vibration modes
Dual card slots (CF & SD)
High Dynamic Range (HDR) Mode
Multiple Exposures
Comparative Playback function
Improved durability & water and dust resistance
SPECIFICATIONS
Available Colours Black
Megapixels 22MP
Sensor Size 36 x 24mm
ISO/Sensitivity 100 25600
Autofocus Points 61 points
Lens Mount Canon
LCD Size 3.2″
Liveview Yes
Viewfinder Optical TTL
Min Shutter Speed 30 sec
Max Shutter Speed 1/8000 sec
Continuous Shooting Speed 6 fps
Self Timer 10 sec, 2 sec
Metering Centre-weighted, Spot, Evaluative, Partial
Video Resolution Full HD 1080
Memory Type Compact Flash
Connectivity USB 2, HDMI, Mic Input, Wireless (optional)
Battery LP-E6
Battery Type Lithium-ion
Charger Includes Li-Ion Charger
File Formats AVI, RAW, H.264, MOV, MPEG-4
Dimensions 152 x 116 x 76mm
Box Contents Battery Pack LP-E6 .. Battery Charger LC-E6 .. AV Cable AVC-DC400ST .. Interface Cable IFC-200U .. Eyecup Eg .. Wide Strap EWEOS5DMKIII .. CR1616 Lithium Battery+
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^^ I would just call it a bad joke!
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I'm underwhelmed too! Especially as it seems that the new 5DIII will be more expensive than the 5DII (I bought the 5DII for 2200,- Euro including taxes shortly after it came out). I had the 7D and sold it because I didn't liked the autofocus also I really don't need 6fps maybe I should spare the money for the upgrade and trying to buy the 645D in the future ( I pretty much have all 645-lenses from the film-area so I would only need the body for the switch to digital medium-format). If I had any Nikon-lenses I would make the switch to Nikon now.
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What am I missing here that I should not be yawning about this?
22.3 Megapixel Full Frame CMOS sensor
DiG!C 5+ Image Processor
61-point high-density reticular AF (up to 41 crosstype points)
6.0 fps for high continuous shooting
Multiple Exposures
All of these are an improvement over the 5D2, I'll very interested in the 'multiple exposure', by which I presume it's a digital version of what we could do in film by not advancing the frame.
Plus the HDR thing but I'll reserve judgement until I see it, personally I'm not a huge fan of HDR
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if it's really only 22mp, i dont see myself upgrade from mark2 to mark3 any time soon. D800 is better choice imo.
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It looks like it's going to be a hugely improved model regarding AF (really needed improvement), HI-ISO performance (I rarely need it, but it would be nice to be able to get full res ISO 800 shots accepted and not risk blurred images due to too low shutter speeds) and FPS (doubled). I think it definitely is a step in the right direction. The mpix race should be long over, the industry should focus on improving IQ, especially DR. Lenses can't handle higher resolutions, well 95% of lenses anyway, and most of them are 200mm+, that are rarely used for MS. And what's more important, no one pays more for images larger than 20.5 mpix or so.
Mpix used to be a lure for unknowledgeable amateurs that can't ask you anything beyond how many mpix does your camera have ;)
P.S. not to mention all the HW upgrades that are needed to process all that data (if resolution was doubled), extra HDD space, memory cards etc. And yes, it may not be worth 3+k, when you can get a 5D2 for way less than 2k or even better keep on using your good ol' 5d2. Why do you need to buy and buy new stuff all the time, even if you don't really need it (hey, it's a new model). To hell with this bloody consumerism! :)
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What am I missing here that I should not be yawning about this?
Multiple Exposures
All of these are an improvement over the 5D2, I'll very interested in the 'multiple exposure', by which I presume it's a digital version of what we could do in film by not advancing the frame.
serious? really? You can do this fast and much more controlled in PS I wouldn't spend a cent more for this kind of feature.
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What am I missing here that I should not be yawning about this?
22.3 Megapixel Full Frame CMOS sensor - Versus 21MPin the MII? Yawn
DiG!C 5+ Image Processor What's the benefit here? Yawn
61-point high-density reticular AF (up to 41 crosstype points) I had a D300 with 51pt autofocus and it was nice but I don't miss it. Yawn
6.0 fps for high continuous shooting Don't need it and any pro that needs performance will get a 1DX. Yawn
Multiple Exposures This is worth $3K?
All of these are an improvement over the 5D2, I'll very interested in the 'multiple exposure', by which I presume it's a digital version of what we could do in film by not advancing the frame.
Plus the HDR thing but I'll reserve judgement until I see it, personally I'm not a huge fan of HDR
See above responses. Then go look at the D800 specs for $3K.
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It looks like it's going to be a hugely improved model regarding AF (really needed improvement), HI-ISO performance (I rarely need it, but it would be nice to be able to get full res ISO 800 shots accepted and not risk blurred images due to too low shutter speeds) and FPS (doubled). I think it definitely is a step in the right direction. The mpix race should be long over, the industry should focus on improving IQ, especially DR. Lenses can't handle higher resolutions, well 95% of lenses anyway, and most of them are 200mm+, that are rarely used for MS. And what's more important, no one pays more for images larger than 20.5 mpix or so.
Mpix used to be a lure for unknowledgeable amateurs that can't ask you anything beyond how many mpix does your camera have ;)
P.S. not to mention all the HW upgrades that are needed to process all that data (if resolution was doubled), extra HDD space, memory cards etc. And yes, it may not be worth 3+k, when you can get a 5D2 for way less than 2k or even better keep on using your good ol' 5d2. Why do you need to buy and buy new stuff all the time, even if you don't really need it (hey, it's a new model). To hell with this bloody consumerism! :)
I'd agree with that. My initial disappointment is tempered by the relief that I don't feel any incentive at all to upgrade my camera which is already more than good enough for almost any purpose I'm ever likely to have for it. When it breaks I'll just get it repaired and serviced.
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Plus the HDR thing but I'll reserve judgement until I see it, personally I'm not a huge fan of HDR
I'm a huge fan, but only when it's done correctly.
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I am pleased with the new features. Things I will pay for (compared to 5D2):
- better AF (and yes, I need it for an important part of my work!)
- better high ISO performance
- higher fps (again, useful for me)
- arguably better IQ (this I'll believe when I'll see it).
If I get the D800, then I'll get more megapixels and that's it. But I will miss:
- speed (AF - arguably, fps, also quite certain - the buffer will fill quickly and you'll shoot one RAW each half an hour)
- big drawback in file size. Sorry, I just can't cope with 75 MB RAW images. My shoots have anywhere from 100-300 (studio) to 2000-3000 (outdoor, travel) and I only shoot RAW. That's huge...
- arguably high iso performance because of difference in resolutions, mainly.
I wish Nikon would have the possibility to shoot RAW in smaller resolutions, like Canon has. Some mRaw, sRaw, whatever.
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I think that all of you are photographers :) Am I wrong?
For us cinematographers AVI, RAW in our industry worth at least 1500-2000$ just for that. So I hope that is true. If it is true I am buying. And if they improve any of this: mpix anti-aliasing, 4:2:0 to 4:2:2 video color sampling and rolling shutter reduced it will be revolution like MkII but we will see tomorow.
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What am I missing here that I should not be yawning about this?
22.3 Megapixel Full Frame CMOS sensor - Versus 21MPin the MII? Yawn
DiG!C 5+ Image Processor What's the benefit here? Yawn
61-point high-density reticular AF (up to 41 crosstype points) I had a D300 with 51pt autofocus and it was nice but I don't miss it. Yawn
6.0 fps for high continuous shooting Don't need it and any pro that needs performance will get a 1DX. Yawn
Multiple Exposures This is worth $3K?
All of these are an improvement over the 5D2, I'll very interested in the 'multiple exposure', by which I presume it's a digital version of what we could do in film by not advancing the frame.
Plus the HDR thing but I'll reserve judgement until I see it, personally I'm not a huge fan of HDR
See above responses. Then go look at the D800 specs for $3K.
I'm guessing that like me Canon weren't aware they had to design an upgrade that suited you personally, I was just pointing out the improvements over the existing 5D2, buy one, don't buy one, buy a Nikon I don't really care.
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What am I missing here that I should not be yawning about this?
22.3 Megapixel Full Frame CMOS sensor - Versus 21MPin the MII? Yawn
DiG!C 5+ Image Processor What's the benefit here? Yawn
61-point high-density reticular AF (up to 41 crosstype points) I had a D300 with 51pt autofocus and it was nice but I don't miss it. Yawn
6.0 fps for high continuous shooting Don't need it and any pro that needs performance will get a 1DX. Yawn
Multiple Exposures This is worth $3K?
All of these are an improvement over the 5D2, I'll very interested in the 'multiple exposure', by which I presume it's a digital version of what we could do in film by not advancing the frame.
Plus the HDR thing but I'll reserve judgement until I see it, personally I'm not a huge fan of HDR
See above responses. Then go look at the D800 specs for $3K.
I'm guessing that like me Canon weren't aware they had to design an upgrade that suited you personally, I was just pointing out the improvements over the existing 5D2, buy one, don't buy one, buy a Nikon I don't really care.
I asked why I should not yawn, you responded pointing out some spectacular new features, I yawned. If you don't care, don't respond.
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What am I missing here that I should not be yawning about this?
Multiple Exposures
All of these are an improvement over the 5D2, I'll very interested in the 'multiple exposure', by which I presume it's a digital version of what we could do in film by not advancing the frame.
serious? really? You can do this fast and much more controlled in PS I wouldn't spend a cent more for this kind of feature.
Yes I was serious (although it doesn't look like they added it) but not for the reasons you're thinking, in the old days of film the ability to stop the film advancing and multiply expose the same frame meant that you could take a photo at a settings that were ordinarily impossible for the amount of light available without having to 'push' the film (therefore creating large amounts of grain) or compromise DoF or shutter speed.
You'll have heard of the sunny 16 rule whereby on a sunny day at f16 your shutter speed should match your film (ASA or ISO) rating, now imagine for whatever reason you need to apply those settings to the camera but you need to take the photo at night, being able to multiply expose the same frame of film until you've done it enough times to gather enough light for a correct exposure was the way you did it, you can't do that in digital using Photoshop or HDR because something has to compromise. I'm not the best at explaining things so I hope you understand what I mean.
Though if all you want to do is add the same person/object in the image at a different position then you're correct it's easier to do that now in PS, you could do that in film but you had to compensate by underexposing the film for the bits that weren't moving.