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PaulieWalnuts

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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2012, 06:17 »
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And nobody mentioned the $3,499? What is Canon smoking? I'll hold onto the 5DMII and will keep an eye on the D800.

I saw some first hand shots of the D800 and man, that was no good, many complianed of a plasticky look and lots of noise above ISO, 800. Im not at all sure of Nikons choice, not this time. Also, they have just killed off their own flagship, the D3X. How clever is that?

I saw that too. Even at lower ISO some of the test shots had noise that resembled chunky point and shoot noise. I will need to find some RAW test shots and check those out.

Even if the D800 image quality isn't perfect, most people don't have expectations like the nit-picky levels of stock photography so the D800 should be a winner just on perception. And yes, Nikon killed the D3X with this move but it was inevitable. I, like most other people, asked why it was worth $7K? The answer clearly is that it wasn't.


PaulieWalnuts

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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2012, 06:33 »
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It's nice to see that they brought some innovation to the flash system. That new Speedlite 600 looks pretty sweet.

« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2012, 07:05 »
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I've been telling myself for the past 2 years that I'd hold off buying a MkII and wait for the MkIII - in the meantime buy lenses and lights if the itch to spend money on gear needs scratching.

Now the MkIII is out, am wondering if it's worth the upgrade - maybe keep the MkI and keep going with lens and light improvements?
« Last Edit: March 04, 2012, 17:40 by cuethesun »

RT


« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2012, 07:20 »
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Wrong!  microstockers only,  do not need tons of pixels, youre uploading JPGs, and any 12MP, cam will do nicely.

You're wasting your breath, having read most the replies here and on the other thread it's clear that a lot of people are only interested in one thing - big MP numbers - forget the fact that Canon have taken an already good camera and improved on it's minor flaws, most aren't interested in the quality of the image or usability of the camera they just want big MP's, no doubt a few drive cheap cars with big engines  ;)

ShadySue

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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2012, 07:21 »
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we microstockers need pixels! i will consider sell my 7d and buy d800 then make the 5d2 the backup machine.


Wrong!  microstockers only,  do not need tons of pixels, youre uploading JPGs, and any 12MP, cam will do nicely. The XXXL, sales in micro are very few and far in between. Microstock photography is not on par with high flying advertising shoots nor RM photography.

I'm always glad of the extra pixels in my 5D2: when shooting birds, 400mm often isn't enough and it's great to be able to crop in.  :D

« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2012, 07:40 »
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This is disaster for our expectations...

« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2012, 07:43 »
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This is a super cool camera. Yes for microstock and in general stock photography, it is not a big upgrade from the 5d mkII, but for a wedding photographer this is really the perfect camera. Dual card slots - way improved AF- improved high iso IQ. Can't wish for anything more.

RT


« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2012, 07:48 »
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Here's some sample images using the Camera, from Canon:

http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/5dmk3/samples/index.html

« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2012, 08:13 »
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Oh! Now I can buy 5Dmk2 with a calm heart!
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antistock

« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2012, 08:20 »
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hahaha canon missed the bus again !

on the other side, i'm not sold on the D800, they said it's not a replacement for the D700 so let's wait and see, it should be a matter of months before they officially announce the new D700/D300s replacements unless they decided to kill the D700.

and yes, it's depressing to notice everybody is now ranting and raving about D800's 36MP resolution, it's still a poorman's camera compare to Hasselblad's 60MP !

« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2012, 08:23 »
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All this wait for that? Really considering switching to Nikon. Will see .....

Ever considered switching to Hasselblad?  The H4D-31 isn't so expensive ($14,000 with lens).  I'm certainly toying with the idea, perhaps it's more work than it's worth, but the 5D Mark III is a bit underwhelming

Yes I was thinking that too but I don't like the fact that the camera is so slow and heavy ...... and its not only the price of the body, but also all the lenses. However it is a choice worth considering. Good thing is that  you just simply know you have the best camera in your hands. The 5D could be good for video and outdoor fast shoots ......

antistock

« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2012, 08:32 »
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Here's some sample images using the Camera, from Canon:

http://cweb.canon.jp/camera/eosd/5dmk3/samples/index.html


the sample at ISO6400 clearly shows the limits of the new sensor but i think it can produce good pictures at ISO 800 or ISO1600 by night.
6400 is out of question and 3200 maybe ok during daylight.

antistock

« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2012, 08:34 »
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Yes I was thinking that too but I don't like the fact that the camera is so slow and heavy


actually they should make them more heavy, say 2kg for body-only, so female photographers will have a hard time.

« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2012, 09:07 »
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All this wait for that? Really considering switching to Nikon. Will see .....

Ever considered switching to Hasselblad?  The H4D-31 isn't so expensive ($14,000 with lens).  I'm certainly toying with the idea, perhaps it's more work than it's worth, but the 5D Mark III is a bit underwhelming

Yes I was thinking that too but I don't like the fact that the camera is so slow and heavy ...... and its not only the price of the body, but also all the lenses. However it is a choice worth considering. Good thing is that  you just simply know you have the best camera in your hands. The 5D could be good for video and outdoor fast shoots ......

I figure that since I need 2 bodies anyhow (for a back-up) one could just as well be something different so that when I need something different I'd have it.  I currently shoot with 2 5D Mark II's, but switching one out for a hasselblad might be smart.  If I need the speed and versatility I could use the 5D and if it breaks I'd have the Hassy to limp along with and make due for the rest of the shoot.  In shoots where the hassy shines, I could leave the 5D on the video rig or simply as a backup...

I'm still unsure, I've just been thinking about medium format for a long time and was sort of holding out for the 5D Mark III.  As it looks, the 5D isn't a medium format competitor.

« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2012, 09:42 »
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I have to say, I'm very impressed with high iso sample shots, especially the bride and the tiger, on canon website. It's kinda 1.5-2 stops better than my 5D2, I'd say.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2012, 09:57 by Tabimura »

lagereek

« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2012, 09:51 »
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No matter how good any camera is with high ISO,  its still a gamble getting it past the inspection, especially at SS, DT and FT.

KB

« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2012, 10:11 »
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And nobody mentioned the $3,499? What is Canon smoking?
Interestingly, someone calculated that the price in Yen is identical to the price the 5D II came out at. But due to the strong Yen, the price is higher in most other currencies.

KB

« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2012, 10:15 »
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I have to say, I'm very impressed with high iso sample shots, especially the bride and the tiger, on canon website. It's kinda 1.5-2 stops better than my 5D2, I'd say.
Image 1, at ISO 800, looks horrible. There's an enormous amount of color noise in the ice. It looks like what I'd expect from the 5D2 at 1600 or maybe even 3200. Hopefully that's an aberration of some sort.  The similar one at 6400 has had so much noise reduction applied that it looks smooth in many places.

Even the tiger one wasn't too impressive, but much better than the first two. Based on that it looks like a 1 stop ISO improvement at best; hopefully I'm wrong.

antistock

« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2012, 10:47 »
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I have to say, I'm very impressed with high iso sample shots, especially the bride and the tiger, on canon website. It's kinda 1.5-2 stops better than my 5D2, I'd say.

on the contrary i'm not that impressed and they used the best primes in F1.4 and F1.8 to keep the ISO down so it sounds a bit tricky to me, there's only one sample shot by night and it's not at all usable for the quality required on stock agencies.

« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2012, 10:48 »
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Really not sure whether to get the Mark III or the d800!  ???

« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2012, 10:58 »
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I have to say, I'm very impressed with high iso sample shots, especially the bride and the tiger, on canon website. It's kinda 1.5-2 stops better than my 5D2, I'd say.

on the contrary i'm not that impressed and they used the best primes in F1.4 and F1.8 to keep the ISO down so it sounds a bit tricky to me, there's only one sample shot by night and it's not at all usable for the quality required on stock agencies.

What are you sniffing? I am talking about the tiger image taken at iso 3200, f/8, with a 400mm f/2.8L + 2x TC. And the image of a bride, taken also at iso 3200, f/7.1, with a 50mm f/1.2.
The tiger image looks absolutely great taking into the account the combo long tele + TC. I think you can't get anything better than this in the said situation. Also the bride image looks great in my view, and I'm guessing about 1.5 - 2 stops in iso performance above 5D2.

The aurora borealis photos are poor choices to display a camera's performance, especially since the high iso shot is taken at f/2.8 - wth...


KB

« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2012, 11:23 »
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http://www.digitalrev.com/article/canon-5d-mark-iii-hands/MTA3ODU3MjU_A

Thanks, that was interesting. The guy showed the mode dial lock to be at the top, but in the leaked pics that switch is labeled "on" and "off". The one where the power switch is located in the 5D2 is labeled "Lock >>". So I don't know what to believe. It doesn't really matter, of course, but I do hope that the on/off switch remains where it is in the 5D2.

I'm still not convinced about the ISO gain. The samples in this "first impression" didn't impress me, either. I'm assuming a 1-stop improvement; I hope it's there.

So they removed the "999" limitation on shots remaining ... and maxed it at "1999"? what?! And a "rate" button? Come on. They added a bunch of fluff that is totally worthless (like the in-camera raw processing, in-camera HDR idiocy, etc.). A lot of stuff I was hoping for isn't there. But, oh, well. I'm not going to move to Nikon, that's for sure.

ETA: Ok, this one clearly explains it:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/02/canon-announces-eos-5d-mark-iii-22-3mp-full-frame-sensor-6-fps/

The mode dial lock is in the center of the mode dial; the power on/off switch is behind it. So they did move it up there, but left the wheel lock (or whatever it's called) where it always has been.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2012, 11:34 by KB »

« Reply #48 on: March 02, 2012, 11:46 »
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Image 1, at ISO 800, looks horrible. There's an enormous amount of color noise in the ice. It looks like what I'd expect from the 5D2 at 1600 or maybe even 3200. Hopefully that's an aberration of some sort.  The similar one at 6400 has had so much noise reduction applied that it looks smooth in many places.

Even the tiger one wasn't too impressive, but much better than the first two. Based on that it looks like a 1 stop ISO improvement at best; hopefully I'm wrong.

Completely agree. That 6400 aurora sample is terrible. The details have been completely eroded into a blurry, fuzzy mess.

« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2012, 12:15 »
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Wrong!  microstockers only,  do not need tons of pixels, youre uploading JPGs, and any 12MP, cam will do nicely.

You're wasting your breath, having read most the replies here and on the other thread it's clear that a lot of people are only interested in one thing - big MP numbers - forget the fact that Canon have taken an already good camera and improved on it's minor flaws, most aren't interested in the quality of the image or usability of the camera they just want big MP's, no doubt a few drive cheap cars with big engines  ;)
I don't think the IQ will beat the Sigma SD1 and that's getting a big price cut.  I only want more mp's to be able to crop and still sell at big sizes.  The other minor improvements don't make much difference to me.  I'm happy with the MKII auto focus, 1fps is all I need and the video doesn't look much differnet.  I hardly ever use above 400 iso.


 

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