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Title: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: leaf on October 18, 2011, 02:51
It looks like the rumors  (http://www.microstockgroup.com/cameras-lenses/canon-1d-mark-v-to-be-announced-on-tuesday/)were pretty spot on

    1D/1Ds line is merged into one 1D X line
    Full Frame
    18mp
    12 fps
    61 AF Points
    New Battery
    Available in March

http://www.dpreview.com/news/1110/11101810canoneos1dx.asp (http://www.dpreview.com/news/1110/11101810canoneos1dx.asp)
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Opla on October 18, 2011, 02:58
It says estimated retail price 6800 $
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: leaf on October 18, 2011, 03:05
It says estimated retail price 6800 $

Whoops, sorry, yeah - forgot to include that.  I just copied the rumor info (which was correct) from the other thread.

Still no built in GPS though :(  You have to buy an add-on

Quote
The EOS-1D X also offers an optional Canon GP-E1 GPS Receiver*, which can be easily integrated into the camera’s body.  Powered by the camera, this GPS receiver provides the same weatherproof resistance as the EOS-1D X, even at the connector. With an electronic compass on-board, the GP-E1 will log movement – latitude, longitude, elevation, and the Universal Time Code – and allow viewing of camera movement on a PC after shooting.  The receiver will also record camera direction when shooting, even when shooting vertically.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Slovenian on October 18, 2011, 03:44
5D2 is a better camera for MS. That being said, it's an awesome PJ machine;). Can't wait to see ISO samples and to try the new AF etc, but I'm sure it's gonna take a while before I get my hands on a demo camera
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Tabimura on October 18, 2011, 04:30
If the iso performance will be spectacularly good, I will seriously consider buying it.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: qwerty on October 18, 2011, 04:56
okay looks like I was wrong, I didn't think they'd merge the lines with only a 18MP camera.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: travelstock on October 18, 2011, 04:58
Real shame it doesn't get past the 21MP mark, which isn't really that critical except here...

Still it wouldn't surprise me if the 5D3 ends up getting a different sensor with higher MP.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: leaf on October 18, 2011, 05:15
Real shame it doesn't get past the 21MP mark, which isn't really that critical except here...

Still it wouldn't surprise me if the 5D3 ends up getting a different sensor with higher MP.


Yeah, it seems like the MP race has come to an end.  The Canon G Series (http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&x=0&ref_=nb_sb_noss&y=0&field-keywords=canon%20g12&url=search-alias%3Daps?url=search-alias=aps&_encoding=UTF8&tag=microsameetin-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=390957) cameras also took a MegaPixel reduction.  the G10 was 14.7MP and the G11 and G12 are both only 10MP

For microstock though, where buyers pay per pixel, it is nice to have lots of pixels to sell.  It sure is nice (perhaps critical) to be able to easily reach the top of the microstock size scale

Here is iStock sizes
Medium 1200x1600 1.9200 MP
Large 1920x2560 4.9152 MP
XLarge 2800x4200 11.760 MP
XXLarge 3300x4900 16.170 MP
XXXLarge 3700x5600 20.720 MP
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: PaulieWalnuts on October 18, 2011, 05:21
Real shame it doesn't get past the 21MP mark, which isn't really that critical except here...

Still it wouldn't surprise me if the 5D3 ends up getting a different sensor with higher MP.

Speed freaks probably won't care much about the MP.

The 5D3 will probably have a slight increase in FPS with a larger sensor. But most of the rumors are pointing to 28MP which, if true, is way off from the upcoming D800.

Canon seems to be banking on Canon loyalists buying this 1DX. It has some nice features but again, almost $7K? Seems like the majority of photographers, maybe minus the elite, are taking a beating on earnings. Is this a big enough upgrade to get 1D owners to drop $7K? I wonder how many will just stick with what they have. I also wonder how many are starting to eye alternatives like the Sony SLT-A77 that may not be as good but "good enough" for $5K less.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: travelstock on October 18, 2011, 05:38
Real shame it doesn't get past the 21MP mark, which isn't really that critical except here...

Still it wouldn't surprise me if the 5D3 ends up getting a different sensor with higher MP.

Speed freaks probably won't care much about the MP.

The 5D3 will probably have a slight increase in FPS with a larger sensor. But most of the rumors are pointing to 28MP which, if true, is way off from the upcoming D800.

Canon seems to be banking on Canon loyalists buying this 1DX. It has some nice features but again, almost $7K? Seems like the majority of photographers, maybe minus the elite, are taking a beating on earnings. Is this a big enough upgrade to get 1D owners to drop $7K? I wonder how many will just stick with what they have. I also wonder how many are starting to eye alternatives like the Sony SLT-A77 that may not be as good but "good enough" for $5K less.

I think the strategy may well be just as much about video - to push those that are currently using the 5D2 to the 1D-X because its going to give them the best high ISO video. 3 Stops more high ISO is a pretty big difference if you're shooting video at night.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: leaf on October 18, 2011, 05:58
Real shame it doesn't get past the 21MP mark, which isn't really that critical except here...

Still it wouldn't surprise me if the 5D3 ends up getting a different sensor with higher MP.

Speed freaks probably won't care much about the MP.

The 5D3 will probably have a slight increase in FPS with a larger sensor. But most of the rumors are pointing to 28MP which, if true, is way off from the upcoming D800.

Canon seems to be banking on Canon loyalists buying this 1DX. It has some nice features but again, almost $7K? Seems like the majority of photographers, maybe minus the elite, are taking a beating on earnings. Is this a big enough upgrade to get 1D owners to drop $7K? I wonder how many will just stick with what they have. I also wonder how many are starting to eye alternatives like the Sony SLT-A77 that may not be as good but "good enough" for $5K less.

I think the strategy may well be just as much about video - to push those that are currently using the 5D2 to the 1D-X because its going to give them the best high ISO video. 3 Stops more high ISO is a pretty big difference if you're shooting video at night.

Yeah, I'd agree with this.  I would seem logical that Canon would want to move their 5D cult following to the 1D series body.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: nicku on October 18, 2011, 06:18
   I believe that Canon combined the 1D with 1Ds because of the 5D series... the sales for 1Ds have gone down seriously because of the 5Dmk2. In those condition was no longer profitable/justify to have two flagships (1D and 1DS). They combine the two different cameras in one with excellent IQ, shutter speed and video capabilities which can be used in sport and in the studio.
   The new 5D will be the fashion, studio, microstock camera from now on.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Ed on October 18, 2011, 07:25
Sounds perfect.  I will more than likely be getting at least one in the next year.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: leaf on October 18, 2011, 08:52
considering the price and the price of a medium format Pentax 645D
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31%2BNBIYRdgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&x=0&ref_=nb_sb_noss&y=0&field-keywords=pentax%20645d&url=search-alias%3Daps&_encoding=UTF8&tag=microsameetin-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=390957)
.. I think I might be tempted to go the Pentax route, depsite being a big Canon fan.  I can see applications where the Canon would be better, but for microstock I'm starting to think the Pentax may be a nice fit.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Ed on October 18, 2011, 09:18
Leaf, I've had my eye on the same Pentax.  If you look around, you'll find reviews aren't that great for that body.  I've decided against it - I don't want to invest in a new system if it's not going to perform.  It would be a very expensive mistake.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: leaf on October 18, 2011, 09:24
Leaf, I've had my eye on the same Pentax.  If you look around, you'll find reviews aren't that great for that body.  I've decided against it - I don't want to invest in a new system if it's not going to perform.  It would be a very expensive mistake.

I guess I have more research to do.  I just started considering that camera today after reading a good review for it :)  I'll have to look for some of the bad ones
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Tabimura on October 18, 2011, 09:46
Leaf, I've had my eye on the same Pentax.  If you look around, you'll find reviews aren't that great for that body.  I've decided against it - I don't want to invest in a new system if it's not going to perform.  It would be a very expensive mistake.


I guess I have more research to do.  I just started considering that camera today after reading a good review for it :)  I'll have to look for some of the bad ones


If you're going to spend around 10k, how about this one? http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/823183-REG/Mamiya_020_00928A_DM_Series_28Mp_DSLR_Camera.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/823183-REG/Mamiya_020_00928A_DM_Series_28Mp_DSLR_Camera.html)

28 MP is overkill for microstock anyway, and I'd take Mamiya over Pentax anytime.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: madelaide on October 18, 2011, 10:31
Not for my pocket. I wouldn't get any stable image knowing I have a 7k+ equipment in my hands. :)

Calumet' announcement:
http://www.calumetphoto.co.uk/eng/pages/3333518.cfm?cal (http://www.calumetphoto.co.uk/eng/pages/3333518.cfm?cal)
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: travelstock on October 18, 2011, 10:58
considering the price and the price of a medium format Pentax 645D

.. I think I might be tempted to go the Pentax route, depsite being a big Canon fan.  I can see applications where the Canon would be better, but for microstock I'm starting to think the Pentax may be a nice fit.
 ([url]http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&x=0&ref_=nb_sb_noss&y=0&field-keywords=pentax%20645d&url=search-alias%3Daps&_encoding=UTF8&tag=microsameetin-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=390957[/url])


What is it that you're missing with the 5Dii?
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: MatHayward on October 18, 2011, 13:02
I put a deposit on one today to hold my (4th) spot in line at my local camera store.  I cannot wait to get my mitts on one of these incredible machines!
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on October 18, 2011, 15:45
What is it about it that will let you do something better than you are able to do already?
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Tabimura on October 18, 2011, 17:45
For instance, let's say that you have a niche and you often shoot with available light, because you go to places where you can't take your studio strobes, and also you need to "catch the perfect moment". Shooting real people, not models - as an example. Here, very good high iso performance, the latest AF system and the 12 fps will certainly help.
If this camera will have 5d2 iso 800 quality at iso 3200, it's a win.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on October 18, 2011, 17:48
Yeah, I get that. I can see the advantage for an event photographer/newshound. It's the rest of us (and Mat in particular, though I know he does some events) I am wondering about. It's a lot of money to justify spending.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: RapidEye on October 19, 2011, 01:29
Yeah, I get that. I can see the advantage for an event photographer/newshound. It's the rest of us (and Mat in particular, though I know he does some events) I am wondering about. It's a lot of money to justify spending.

Since I lavished an unthinkable sum on the 1Ds Mk III shortly after its launch I've become accustomed to getting just about every frame in perfect focus in just about any circumstances, including big apertures using peripheral focus points. (The exception is irregularly moving subjects, but try those with a 5D.)

Over three years and well over 100,000 frames, I reckon I have easily enough money shots that would have been missed to justify the cost of the camera.

Thinking along those lines, I was sure I'd buy the new 1Ds. Trouble is, this isn't it. Losing the XXXL size on iStock could be a big deal if the best match has a size factor.

On the other hand, the Mk III's high-ISO performance is not exactly stellar, so if the X is brilliant there it could cancel out any loss of revenue from the smaller maximum size.

Decisions, decisions...
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: MatHayward on October 19, 2011, 02:13
Yeah, I get that. I can see the advantage for an event photographer/newshound. It's the rest of us (and Mat in particular, though I know he does some events) I am wondering about. It's a lot of money to justify spending.

I shoot quite a few concerts so this is pretty much my dream camera.  I am spoiled with the 1D Mark III with a 10fps bursts I get shots that I would more than likely miss with a slower camera.  With the even faster X I won't have to sacrifice the speed for the size and quality.  The size of the images will bump me into the XXL range at FT.  The insane ISO range will also help with the many low light scenarios I find myself in.  The new imaging sensor sounds extremely promising to me as I have found most every image I run noise reduction software through gets rejected at SS so hopefully that need will be eliminated as well. 

I love the images produced with 5D cameras.  I love them.  I just shot a wedding with a 5D as my backup and realized there is no way I could shoot with it on a regular basis.  It just feels too fragile to me.  I am so hard on my gear that I would be shocked if a 5D lasted in my arsenal more than a year.  The 1D super strong body is essential for me.  Plus I live in sunny Seattle so weather sealed is essential.  This camera sounds to me like it will exceed the 5D in image quality and have all the essentials I need for my personal shooting style.  I'm well over 100,000 clicks on my Mark III and I am overdue for an upgrade.  Anything besides this new beast for me personally would be a step backwards.

That being said, it is more money that I hoped it would be.  I was expecting a 5K price tag so there was a definite lump in my throat when I called the camera store this morning.

Mat
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: leaf on October 19, 2011, 02:26
considering the price and the price of a medium format Pentax 645D

.. I think I might be tempted to go the Pentax route, depsite being a big Canon fan.  I can see applications where the Canon would be better, but for microstock I'm starting to think the Pentax may be a nice fit.
 ([url]http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&x=0&ref_=nb_sb_noss&y=0&field-keywords=pentax%20645d&url=search-alias%3Daps&_encoding=UTF8&tag=microsameetin-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=390957[/url])


What is it that you're missing with the 5Dii?


20 extra megapixels.  It seems, as others have mentioned that iStock sort has some weight on image size.  The more pixels the better :)  It is also nice to have a little extra cropping room or if you don't need the extra pixels, downsizing for extra sharpness.

Which site has the largest XXXXXXXL size.  is it iStock at 20.7 MP?
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: ffNixx on October 19, 2011, 08:44
I wonder how radioactive it's going to be...
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: travelstock on October 19, 2011, 15:35
considering the price and the price of a medium format Pentax 645D

.. I think I might be tempted to go the Pentax route, depsite being a big Canon fan.  I can see applications where the Canon would be better, but for microstock I'm starting to think the Pentax may be a nice fit.
 ([url]http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&x=0&ref_=nb_sb_noss&y=0&field-keywords=pentax%20645d&url=search-alias%3Daps&_encoding=UTF8&tag=microsameetin-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=390957[/url])


What is it that you're missing with the 5Dii?


20 extra megapixels.  It seems, as others have mentioned that iStock sort has some weight on image size.  The more pixels the better :)  It is also nice to have a little extra cropping room or if you don't need the extra pixels, downsizing for extra sharpness.

Which site has the largest XXXXXXXL size.  is it iStock at 20.7 MP?


As far as I know iStock has the largest at 21MP. From what I've heard, if there is currently a boost for large files, it isn't significant - there was a time about 2 years ago that they got a big boost, but that seems to be long gone. I don't really see any difference in performance of files that I'm uploading now that are only large compared to the ones that are XXXL. I'm uploading a mix because I'm trying to get through a lot of older files that never made it to iStock due to upload limits in the past.

There is obviously an impact over time from the higher prices, but then there isn't a price difference between 21-40MP, and the extra pixels in those cameras come at a significant cost - portability, speed, storage space, not to mention the price of the cameras.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: RacePhoto on October 20, 2011, 01:31
Canon G Series - cameras also took a MegaPixel reduction.  the G10 was 14.7MP and the G11 and G12 are both only 10MP


Because customers didn't care and the camera produced weak images at the pixel packing size. By dropping back to 10MP, the quality and resolution of the images, for a Bridge camera, made it better. G9 was 12MP. Along with the redesign and some nice features like a true remote trigger! (begged for that one since the G-6) The lens / camera combination was being stretched too far. Personally I didn't want a G10, but the G12 looks like everything I want in a small camera for always having in my pocket, travel and general, just in case.

Not exciting to most, but to me it is acceptable. Burst rate 1.97 frames per second for ten seconds. For a pocket camera that's super! 2FPS...

Yes, I agree, let the pixel wars end and lets get quality! Some people still think that bigger is better, but after a point, it's just a waste of resources.

   I believe that Canon combined the 1D with 1Ds because of the 5D series... the sales for 1Ds have gone down seriously because of the 5Dmk2. In those condition was no longer profitable/justify to have two flagships (1D and 1DS). They combine the two different cameras in one with excellent IQ, shutter speed and video capabilities which can be used in sport and in the studio.
   The new 5D will be the fashion, studio, microstock camera from now on.

I'd say that's the same as my opinion. The Ds and the 5D were getting to a point of overlapping, so drop one by merging them. Make the indoor camera the 5D with the higher resolution.

And the major reason I won't be changing to some other brand is a collection of "L" lenses that are just fine and match my needs. Bodies are expendable. Change every few years, lenses last for almost forever. I just picked up a Canon 35-350 and I love it. 10 year old design, not the best lens but 10X! Perfect travel and walk around lens.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: leaf on October 20, 2011, 02:39

Yes, I agree, let the pixel wars end and lets get quality! Some people still think that bigger is better, but after a point, it's just a waste of resources.


Yeah, when my family members as for 'which camera to buy' advice I still tell them not to spend $$ on megapixels.  6mp is more than enough for any snapshot.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Perry on October 20, 2011, 03:01
I just shot a wedding with a 5D as my backup and realized there is no way I could shoot with it on a regular basis.  It just feels too fragile to me.  I am so hard on my gear that I would be shocked if a 5D lasted in my arsenal more than a year.  

Has anyone really broken a 5D (incl. 5D mk II) because its "fragile" body?
I have shot my stuff with 5D cameras (mk I and mk II) and never had any problems with durability (though I never have dropped any camera, but If you are  going to drop your cameras even the Eos 1 series could break...)

It's also funny that you  said you were shooting weddings... that's not a very harsh condition in my books :)

I would like to use Eos 1-series cameras, but I simply can't afford it. I could afford one body, but I would not be able to have a spare camera of the same caliber nor upgradind my camera every time they come up with a new model. I currently have two mark II in my bag, it's a really nice feeling to know that you can keep shooting even if one camera breaks (never happened!)
Now you all think I'm really poor, but my point was to rather invest to lenses or studio gear. A body is really easily replaced when needed...

EOS-1D X seems like a decent camera, I'd like to have better AF and better high ISO performance. But I would feel stupid to change into something with less megapixels. I know there is no real difference, but why couldn't they make the new camera for example 24 mpix just so It would feel more of an upgrade from 5D mk II. I would hate to see smaller numbers in image dimensions when photoshopping!
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Tabimura on October 20, 2011, 03:12
but why couldn't they make the new camera for example 24 mpix

Because they couldn't make it to shoot at 12 fps with 24 MP. Or, if they could, the production costs would have been very prohibitive indeed. I think 5d3 will have more MP, but perhaps somewhere around 3 fps.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Perry on October 20, 2011, 03:13
I have no idea why you keep bringing up medium format cameras in this thread? They aren't really meant for similar shooting style. EOS-1D X is a on-location autofocus-fps monster, while most of the medium format cameras are for studio tinkering.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Slovenian on October 20, 2011, 03:30
It's also funny that you  said you were shooting weddings... that's not a very harsh condition in my books :)


I think you should make a note or even a change in your books ;) Wedding Fight in Ulyanovsk, Russia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVY0mjNZuWg#)
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Perry on October 20, 2011, 03:34
It's also funny that you  said you were shooting weddings... that's not a very harsh condition in my books :)

I think you should make a note or even a change in your books ;) [/url]

I stand corrected :D
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: leaf on October 20, 2011, 06:15
I just shot a wedding with a 5D as my backup and realized there is no way I could shoot with it on a regular basis.  It just feels too fragile to me.  I am so hard on my gear that I would be shocked if a 5D lasted in my arsenal more than a year.  


Has anyone really broken a 5D (incl. 5D mk II) because its "fragile" body?
I have shot my stuff with 5D cameras (mk I and mk II) and never had any problems with durability (though I never have dropped any camera, but If you are  going to drop your cameras even the Eos 1 series could break...)



I dragged my 5D Mark II behind the car on a gravel road at 20km/hr for 10-20meters (http://www.kapshooter.com/discussion/28/first-kap-crash#Item_8) and the only damage received was a a nic on the lens.  otherwise all functions are a go. :)
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: MatHayward on October 21, 2011, 03:41
I dragged my 5D Mark II behind the car on a gravel road at 20km/hr for 10-20m ([url]http://www.kapshooter.com/discussion/28/first-kap-crash#Item_8[/url]) and the only damage received was a a nic on the lens.  otherwise all functions are a go. :)


Wow, that's just nuts!  I'm trying to wrap my mind around this but am struggling to do so.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on October 21, 2011, 05:34
There's nothing here that makes me want to go shopping.  The 1dsmk3 and 5dmk2 are just fine for my needs.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: gostwyck on October 21, 2011, 09:11
There's nothing here that makes me want to go shopping.  The 1dsmk3 and 5dmk2 are just fine for my needs.

Same here. I'm disappointed in the lack of advances in features that I would find useful ... but also relieved that I don't feel any temptation to upgrade. Maybe the 5D Mk3 will be the one that surprises and delights us. I'd be happy to pay for more pixels, better pixels and greater dynamic range but I don't need more fps or video functions.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: lthn on October 21, 2011, 09:15
It's also funny that you  said you were shooting weddings... that's not a very harsh condition in my books :)


I think you should make a note or even a change in your books ;) Wedding Fight in Ulyanovsk, Russia ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVY0mjNZuWg#[/url])


turf war! that happens if you feed them, they get accustomed to human presence, and these creatures are very territorial : )
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: RacePhoto on October 22, 2011, 22:07
There's nothing here that makes me want to go shopping.  The 1dsmk3 and 5dmk2 are just fine for my needs.

And I'd be happy with either one of those, but next for me is a 7D for what I do. Next down would be the 1D family but honestly I'd love to have a 5D...  ;D

Everyone needs to decide for what they shoot, what will work best. I need fast focus and a good burst rate, but I don't shoot on HS because it's too many to edit and I have deadlines to meet. The grab cam and pit lane, victory lane camera should be a 1D.

And yes folks I shoot JPG not RAW, there's a time and space factor involved.

If I was shooting inside with lights and control, I'd have a 5D, that's an easy one! Based on budget.

1DSMKIII Oh Sweet!
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: BaldricksTrousers on October 23, 2011, 03:56
I just shot a wedding with a 5D as my backup and realized there is no way I could shoot with it on a regular basis.  It just feels too fragile to me.  I am so hard on my gear that I would be shocked if a 5D lasted in my arsenal more than a year.  


Has anyone really broken a 5D (incl. 5D mk II) because its "fragile" body?
I have shot my stuff with 5D cameras (mk I and mk II) and never had any problems with durability (though I never have dropped any camera, but If you are  going to drop your cameras even the Eos 1 series could break...)




I dragged my 5D Mark II behind the car on a gravel road at 20km/hr for 10-20meters ([url]http://www.kapshooter.com/discussion/28/first-kap-crash#Item_8[/url]) and the only damage received was a a nic on the lens.  otherwise all functions are a go. :)


I've dropped a 5d and 24-70f2.8L (a pretty heavy combination) on a stone floor from about a metre high. It cracked the corner of the camera casing and very slightly misaligned a lens element (the old 300D's kevlar body was far more resilient, surviving being hurled from a moving vehicle on to a concrete road with just a damaged battery door).  Both cameras kept working as if nothing had happened.

The more weather resistant body is probably the main advantage of the 1 series cameras, not overall toughness.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: RacePhoto on October 23, 2011, 13:04
I just shot a wedding with a 5D as my backup and realized there is no way I could shoot with it on a regular basis.  It just feels too fragile to me.  I am so hard on my gear that I would be shocked if a 5D lasted in my arsenal more than a year.  


Has anyone really broken a 5D (incl. 5D mk II) because its "fragile" body?
I have shot my stuff with 5D cameras (mk I and mk II) and never had any problems with durability (though I never have dropped any camera, but If you are  going to drop your cameras even the Eos 1 series could break...)




I dragged my 5D Mark II behind the car on a gravel road at 20km/hr for 10-20meters ([url]http://www.kapshooter.com/discussion/28/first-kap-crash#Item_8[/url]) and the only damage received was a a nic on the lens.  otherwise all functions are a go. :)


I've dropped a 5d and 24-70f2.8L (a pretty heavy combination) on a stone floor from about a metre high. It cracked the corner of the camera casing and very slightly misaligned a lens element (the old 300D's kevlar body was far more resilient, surviving being hurled from a moving vehicle on to a concrete road with just a damaged battery door).  Both cameras kept working as if nothing had happened.

The more weather resistant body is probably the main advantage of the 1 series cameras, not overall toughness.


Aside from maybe turning both of you in for Camera Abuse  ;) yes I agree the point is more of overall durability and weather resistance, than delicacy. I see people with 20-30-40 Ds clunking them around on ATV and shooting in weather, it just takes more care, but a bump on the side, probably isn't much different. Anything with a Titanium frame will be stronger overall than plastic, but back to what you wrote, weather sealing is important.

Also the 1 series always has the latest shutter with the longest life components. So aside from abuse, errors, drops and outside forces, just everyday use, they should be more durable. Maybe not more "tough" like you said, just everything the highest level of technology. A workhorse for a traveling professional.

That doesn't mean a 5D is some fragile indoor toy, it's just that the 1D has been engineered for more extreme use.

7D has the old 1D shutter design. There you go. A little of everything for everyone. Three sensor sizes, different features, sizes, 1D has the grip built on, when some others it's and option...

Where I'd like to end this for myself is, any one of them is best, depending on what someone wants to do and what they need. Having two is better?  ;D

1DSMKIII or 5DMKII kind of a toss up personally, either one is super. I have to read about the new 1D-X merge camera, jury is out.

The camera isn't the end, it's the tool or means to an end. The first 1D is 4MP and if someone starting in Micro had one, it would be a huge advance over a little P&S sensor. It's all relative.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: grp_photo on October 23, 2011, 15:33


 and I'd take Mamiya over Pentax anytime.
I'd take Pentax over Mamiya anytime! Nothing beats the viewfinder of the Pentax you should take the cameras in your hands and look through! That said I think Mamiya is great and have made and are making wonderful cameras!
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: qwerty on October 24, 2011, 01:22
It's also funny that you  said you were shooting weddings... that's not a very harsh condition in my books :)


I think you should make a note or even a change in your books ;) Wedding Fight in Ulyanovsk, Russia ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVY0mjNZuWg#[/url])


I've seen this one before, it still doesn;t make sense to me, who's fighting who

I think the weather sealing may be an issue for 5dMkII in places like antartica etc but not normal conditions.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Ed on October 24, 2011, 13:44
I've been doing a lot more research on this camera....just a heads up - this issue makes ABSOLUTELY no difference to me - but it may make a difference to wildlife photographers - especially those that shoot birds.

The new body does not have the ability to autofocus on lenses with a minimum aperture of f/8.  What does that mean?  That means if you add a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter to a lens it may not autofocus (think 200mm f/4 with a 2x converter or 400 f/5.6 with a 2x converter).

Again, makes no difference to me, but if it makes a difference to you, you'll probably want to get a 1D MK III before they're all gone.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: gostwyck on October 24, 2011, 13:56
I've been doing a lot more research on this camera....just a heads up - this issue makes ABSOLUTELY no difference to me - but it may make a difference to wildlife photographers - especially those that shoot birds.

The new body does not have the ability to autofocus on lenses with a minimum aperture of f/8.  What does that mean?  That means if you add a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter to a lens it may not autofocus (think 200mm f/4 with a 2x converter or 400 f/5.6 with a 2x converter).

Again, makes no difference to me, but if it makes a difference to you, you'll probably want to get a 1D MK III before they're all gone.

^^^ I thought this was the case with all Canon cameras and is a 'function' of the lens combination rather than the camera body itself.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: Ed on October 24, 2011, 14:03
Not all of them - and it's been an intermittent thing that changes every few years for some reason.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: RacePhoto on October 24, 2011, 14:56
Not all of them - and it's been an intermittent thing that changes every few years for some reason.

So true and the 1 series did work with the extenders, the XX-D did not. Although I have used the tape on the last three contacts of the 1.4 and it would work on other cameras, the 2X just doesn't! Same for 5D and 7D if I remember right. Only the 1 series could use the 300mm f/2.8 (for example) with the 2X teleconverter. Well the 400mm f/5.6 is positively manual focus on everything. And by that point I'm shooting manual exposure anyway, so back to the 60s. Or maybe the 70s with an AE-1 and a motor drive, but gee thanks, no expensive film or processing. So it's a good deal.  LOL

Which brings up the reason I'm happy you answered the question I didn't ask, because it was in the back of my mind.

If I could afford a Canon 600mm lens, we'd be having none of this discussion.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: dirkr on October 24, 2011, 15:38
I've been doing a lot more research on this camera....just a heads up - this issue makes ABSOLUTELY no difference to me - but it may make a difference to wildlife photographers - especially those that shoot birds.

The new body does not have the ability to autofocus on lenses with a minimum aperture of f/8.  What does that mean?  That means if you add a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter to a lens it may not autofocus (think 200mm f/4 with a 2x converter or 400 f/5.6 with a 2x converter).

Again, makes no difference to me, but if it makes a difference to you, you'll probably want to get a 1D MK III before they're all gone.

^^^ I thought this was the case with all Canon cameras and is a 'function' of the lens combination rather than the camera body itself.

Until now the 1D series always had a working autofocus (only the center point IIRC) with f/8. The new 1D-x doesn't. That does make a difference for those using the big lenses (500 f/4 or 600 f/4) with a 2x converter (which is a very common combination for wildlife photographers).

I think I'll stay with my 1D Mark IV - can't find a reason to upgrade with the specs of the 1D-x.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: MatHayward on October 24, 2011, 20:00
I've been doing a lot more research on this camera....just a heads up - this issue makes ABSOLUTELY no difference to me - but it may make a difference to wildlife photographers - especially those that shoot birds.

The new body does not have the ability to autofocus on lenses with a minimum aperture of f/8.  What does that mean?  That means if you add a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter to a lens it may not autofocus (think 200mm f/4 with a 2x converter or 400 f/5.6 with a 2x converter).

Again, makes no difference to me, but if it makes a difference to you, you'll probably want to get a 1D MK III before they're all gone.

^^^ I thought this was the case with all Canon cameras and is a 'function' of the lens combination rather than the camera body itself.

That's interesting.  I hadn't read this before.  On wildlife trips I like to use the 400 f/2.9 with the 2x converter so it'll still be OK for my needs.  I wonder why that is though.  I'll bet this will impact the decision for a lot of bird shooters.

Mat 

Until now the 1D series always had a working autofocus (only the center point IIRC) with f/8. The new 1D-x doesn't. That does make a difference for those using the big lenses (500 f/4 or 600 f/4) with a 2x converter (which is a very common combination for wildlife photographers).

I think I'll stay with my 1D Mark IV - can't find a reason to upgrade with the specs of the 1D-x.
Title: Re: Canon EOS-1D X announced
Post by: RacePhoto on November 03, 2011, 15:37
You guys are losing me. One says 1D Mark III before they are gone, when, they are gone and were already replaced by the Mark IV?  ???

Since I can't afford a Mark IV, even used, I will be looking for a Mark III for the 2X tele-extender. I'm glad someone pointed this out. Thanks


I've been doing a lot more research on this camera....just a heads up - this issue makes ABSOLUTELY no difference to me - but it may make a difference to wildlife photographers - especially those that shoot birds.

The new body does not have the ability to autofocus on lenses with a minimum aperture of f/8.  What does that mean?  That means if you add a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter to a lens it may not autofocus (think 200mm f/4 with a 2x converter or 400 f/5.6 with a 2x converter).

Again, makes no difference to me, but if it makes a difference to you, you'll probably want to get a 1D MK III before they're all gone.

^^^ I thought this was the case with all Canon cameras and is a 'function' of the lens combination rather than the camera body itself.

That's interesting.  I hadn't read this before.  On wildlife trips I like to use the 400 f/2.9 with the 2x converter so it'll still be OK for my needs.  I wonder why that is though.  I'll bet this will impact the decision for a lot of bird shooters.

Mat 

Until now the 1D series always had a working autofocus (only the center point IIRC) with f/8. The new 1D-x doesn't. That does make a difference for those using the big lenses (500 f/4 or 600 f/4) with a 2x converter (which is a very common combination for wildlife photographers).

I think I'll stay with my 1D Mark IV - can't find a reason to upgrade with the specs of the 1D-x.