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RacePhoto

« on: July 23, 2012, 11:25 »
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London, UK, 23 July 2012 Canon today expands its award-winning EOS range with the launch of the new EOS M. The companys first ever compact system camera (CSC), the EOS M is designed for those who use photography to share their everyday passions from food, to fashion and culture, music and art. Offering DSLR-quality imaging, creative features and Full HD movie creation in a compact and easy-to-use model, the EOS M is the perfect, take-anywhere partner for a new breed of enthusiasts who chronicle their lives through images, without necessarily considering themselves to be photographers.

The EOS M is available in sleek black, glossy white, stylish silver or bold red colours, and condenses Canons renowned EOS imaging heritage into a stylish, compact design. The model launches alongside two new lenses, the EF-M 22mm f/2 STM pancake and the EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM standard zoom, as well as a new compact EX Speedlite the Speedlite 90EX providing everything you need to capture stunning images every day. For those who want to push their images even further, the EOS M can also utilise Canons extensive range of EF lenses with the new Mount Adapter EF-EOS M, for even more creative freedom.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/883304-REG/Canon_6609b033_EOS_M_Digital_Camera_with.html

Before anyone gets all excited, BH says delivery Mid-October.


ShadySue

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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2012, 11:34 »
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I got an email about that this morning, but as 'mirrorless', means 'no proper viewfinder' I didn't get over excited.

« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2012, 12:02 »
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I got an email about that this morning, but as 'mirrorless', means 'no proper viewfinder' I didn't get over excited.

No viewfinder at all, just the screen on the back of the camera. By the time you've stuck the 22-55mm lens on it the camera can't be much smaller or lighter than a Canon 1100D with kit lens __ and that's half the price.

« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2012, 14:19 »
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What does this offer beyond the G1X from Canon (for now)?  The 22mm prime is interesting, but not that different from the wide end on the G1X at f/2.8, and the G1X gains IS through the zoom range.  The G1X has a lot more direct control...  The fact that you can put EF lenses on the EOS-M is nice, but it isn't that realistic.  If you are going to bring a bunch of EF lenses how much do you gain from a slightly smaller body?  Canon, Sony, and Nikon are hindered by their excellent full frame glass when it comes to mirrorless - tough to justify making all those lenses again smaller.  If you want proof they won't do it, consider how many EF-S or DX primes they've made for the crop cameras...

EmberMike

« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2012, 17:21 »
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Some people say that mirrorless will entirely replace DSLRs eventually. I believed that, but now I'm not so sure. Will there always be a market for large body cameras, even of the tech doesn't need the large body? I'm thinking of pros who, to some extent, are distinguished in public by their noticeably larger cameras. I know that's silly, but let's face it, the bride might get nervous on her wedding day if the photog shows up with a pocket camera, regardless of how good that pocket camera might be or how good the shooter is.

As silly as it is, I think we've come to expect that pros carry large equipment. Put a ridiculously good photographer with an iPhone next to a rookie with a 1D and I think most people would put more trust in the rookie to do a good job (portfolio unseen), even if the iPhone guy could do a far better job with the little phone camera.

Maybe it won't matter. But part of me thinks that people will continue to expect professional photographers to carry gear that doesn't look like consumer gear, even long after the technology to back high-end functions and features into smaller camera bodies hits market saturation.

ShadySue

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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2012, 17:38 »
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Some people say that mirrorless will entirely replace DSLRs eventually.
Oh well, I was dragged kicking, screaming and late to digital photography, and I guess I'll need to be forced off a digital viewfinder. Even my P&S has an optical viewfinder.
I've had cause to use the rear screen, but very seldom.

RacePhoto

« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2012, 21:56 »
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Some people say that mirrorless will entirely replace DSLRs eventually.
Oh well, I was dragged kicking, screaming and late to digital photography, and I guess I'll need to be forced off a digital viewfinder. Even my P&S has an optical viewfinder.
I've had cause to use the rear screen, but very seldom.

My "always in my pocket" camera has a viewfinder. It also uses standard batteries. Two major requirements. Had an S-90 it drove me nuts not having a viewfinder. Went to a G12, too big. 1GX is even bigger. I want a viewfinder!

Now about the camera, I don't think I care about the M even with the new pancake lens, which is pretty impressive for small.

I'm hoping the 70-D will come out this Fall, I'm about done shooting the shutter out on the 40-D. I have a 20-D with a rear screen that doesn't light up anymore. I don't know why not? Good for a remote. Just picked up a 10_D for time lapse, with two batteries and a grip. Kind of funny since I owned two of these before and sold them, now I "need" one again. T2i for playing video, same sensor as many more expensive cameras, full HD, what else do I need? It's the lens, not the camera?

PaulieWalnuts

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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2012, 22:09 »
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Some people say that mirrorless will entirely replace DSLRs eventually. I believed that, but now I'm not so sure. Will there always be a market for large body cameras, even of the tech doesn't need the large body? I'm thinking of pros who, to some extent, are distinguished in public by their noticeably larger cameras. I know that's silly, but let's face it, the bride might get nervous on her wedding day if the photog shows up with a pocket camera, regardless of how good that pocket camera might be or how good the shooter is.

As silly as it is, I think we've come to expect that pros carry large equipment. Put a ridiculously good photographer with an iPhone next to a rookie with a 1D and I think most people would put more trust in the rookie to do a good job (portfolio unseen), even if the iPhone guy could do a far better job with the little phone camera.

Maybe it won't matter. But part of me thinks that people will continue to expect professional photographers to carry gear that doesn't look like consumer gear, even long after the technology to back high-end functions and features into smaller camera bodies hits market saturation.

DSLRs will be around. Like you said, for pro work people expect pro equipment. But the entry level and mid range DSLRs will probably start to disappear. There will mostly be mirrorless and pro equipment left. Kinda like real estate agents. Who looks like the pro, the person driving the Honda Civic or the Mercedes? And phones will eventually mostly replace point and shoots.

EOS M looks nice but they showed up late to the party with a product that already looks behind its competition. I love my 5DMII but Canon seems to be losing its way and lost my money on two cameras. I'd been waiting to upgrade to the 5DMIII but it's not what I was expecting. For me, my NEX-7 does the job of the 5D and EOS M. Canon is trying not to cannibalize it's own products but hasn't noticed everybody else eating away at them.

« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2012, 22:42 »
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Some people say that mirrorless will entirely replace DSLRs eventually. I believed that, but now I'm not so sure. Will there always be a market for large body cameras, even of the tech doesn't need the large body? I'm thinking of pros who, to some extent, are distinguished in public by their noticeably larger cameras.

This is yet another case of size matters. It's doesn't have to be too big but does need to do the job, ask any bride, she'll tell you. If it's too small you'll have a hard time holding it steady, ending in a blur at best. Resulting in a annoyed bride and poor after wedding sales. Which will lead to fewer engagements in the future. And we all want to avoid that don't we? Then there is the question of easy focusing. Sure all you young guys can get a good focus going no matter what distance you're away from the viewfinder but us old guys need a little help. It takes time for the old (eye) muscles to flex accordingly and poor lighting just reduces the odds of a proper focus.

« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2012, 23:15 »
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What everyone seems to be ignoring is the physics of light itself.
If you want a fast lens, there needs to be a large expanse of glass to gather in all that light.

Imagine sticking an 85mm 1.2L prime on a "M" body?

« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2012, 07:20 »
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What everyone seems to be ignoring is the physics of light itself.
If you want a fast lens, there needs to be a large expanse of glass to gather in all that light.

Imagine sticking an 85mm 1.2L prime on a "M" body?

However, this is relative to the circle of light you are trying to create on the output side of things. Thus, as the sensors get better, physics become less of a restriction.

« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2012, 10:28 »
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What everyone seems to be ignoring is the physics of light itself.
If you want a fast lens, there needs to be a large expanse of glass to gather in all that light.

Imagine sticking an 85mm 1.2L prime on a "M" body?

However, this is relative to the circle of light you are trying to create on the output side of things. Thus, as the sensors get better, physics become less of a restriction.

I don't think you can escape from the laws of physics so easily. What happens to your focal length, aperture, DoF and diffraction effects when you shrink the sensor and pack pixels tighter?


 

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