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ShadySue

« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2012, 11:17 »
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When thinking of keywords break the shot down to these elements:

What is found in the image?
Where are the items?
What is the condition or state of the items?
What actions or moods are taking place or implied?
What colors are present?
What textures are found?
What shapes are found?
What concept, theme or idea is found?"

Think, once, twice and thrice about what the buyer wants, and whether they'd find it in an image.
E.g, you had 'gold' as a keyword. How likely is it that a buyer who searches on 'gold' is hoping to find that image?


ruxpriencdiam

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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2012, 12:58 »
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When thinking of keywords break the shot down to these elements:

What is found in the image?
Where are the items?
What is the condition or state of the items?
What actions or moods are taking place or implied?
What colors are present?
What textures are found?
What shapes are found?
What concept, theme or idea is found?"

Think, once, twice and thrice about what the buyer wants, and whether they'd find it in an image.
E.g, you had 'gold' as a keyword. How likely is it that a buyer who searches on 'gold' is hoping to find that image?
True and agree somehow that got missed in the transfer of keywords from one to the other since i started with one shed and changed the others and transferred the keywords then went through and thought i deleted the irrelevant ones

Still some of the ones keyworded in PS IPTC file info that were transferred like  "Storage Shed" "one door"  and "wood pole" are missing and there are a bunch more i could have added but didn't.

lisafx

« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2012, 17:27 »
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I think Duncan proved his point very well.  The words removed don't seem relevant to me.  Most of the other sites have similar standards for keywords.  I know for a fact that other sites' inspectors are also authorized to remove irrelevant keywords.  If others left in all those extra words Canstock removed, then somebody was falling down on the job.

As for adding words that will help my images be found in google searches.  Hooray!  I very much appreciate your doing that for my images Duncan.  I like sales :)

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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2012, 17:41 »
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I think Duncan proved his point very well.  The words removed don't seem relevant to me

Say what???

The word/phrase "Storage shed" isn't relevant to an image of a "Storage Shed"???

 Am i missing something here???

lisafx

« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2012, 18:19 »
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The word/phrase "Storage shed" isn't relevant to an image of a "Storage Shed"???

Am i missing something here???

Apparently you are.  Duncan very clearly explained that phrases such as storage shed are broken down into two separate words.  Since your image still has the keywords storage and shed it will turn up in any searches for storage shed.

I've quoted his text for you below so you don't have to go hunting back to the last page for it.  :)

All keywords are automatically broken down into individual words. It makes no difference for ranking if a coma is between them or not.

"storage" and "shed" are presently included with the image - for the reason above, "storage shed" won't be displayed as a separate phrase in the keywords.

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« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2012, 18:40 »
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The word/phrase "Storage shed" isn't relevant to an image of a "Storage Shed"???

Am i missing something here???


Apparently you are.  Duncan very clearly explained that phrases such as storage shed are broken down into two separate words.  Since your image still has the keywords storage and shed it will turn up in any searches for storage shed.

I've quoted his text for you below so you don't have to go hunting back to the last page for it.  :)

All keywords are automatically broken down into individual words. It makes no difference for ranking if a coma is between them or not.

"storage" and "shed" are presently included with the image - for the reason above, "storage shed" won't be displayed as a separate phrase in the keywords.

No i got that and it is irrelevant.

Here is why.

type in stock photo storage and this is what you get. https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=stock+photo+storage

Now this doesn't have anything resembling a storage shed on the first page at all, it has lots of places to get stock photos storage places cheese storage but no sheds.

Now type in stock photo storage shed and this is what you get. https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=stock+photo+storage+shed

Look there are actually "STORAGE SHEDS" to be found on the first page the entire first page has a storage shed image to be found!

So how does leaving out a phrase help in the search? It doesn't it actually hurts because it doesn't search for what there is to be searched for.

« Last Edit: March 05, 2012, 19:06 by ruxpriencdiam »

RT


« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2012, 19:22 »
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^ Well you know what - remove your images from the site then you'll (and the rest of us) will be happy, geez how many more people have to tell you you're in the wrong here.

No i got that and it is irrelevant.

Here is why.

type in stock photo storage and this is what you get. https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=stock+photo+storage

Now this doesn't have anything resembling a storage shed on the first page at all, it has lots of places to get stock photos storage places cheese storage but no sheds.

Now type in stock photo storage shed and this is what you get. https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=stock+photo+storage+shed

Look there are actually "STORAGE SHEDS" to be found on the first page the entire first page has a storage shed image to be found!

So how does leaving out a phrase help in the search? It doesn't it actually hurts because it doesn't search for what there is to be searched for.


And here's a real eye opener for you, enter the separate words 'storage' and 'shed' in the search box on CanStockPhoto and you'll never guess what the results are  :o :o
I'll put you out of your misery - images with 'storage sheds' in them, well who'd have thought it eh!
« Last Edit: March 05, 2012, 19:31 by RT »

ShadySue

« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2012, 19:28 »
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@OP Looks like the system is working. You type in storage shed and you get images with the keywords storage and shed. You don't need "storage shed". It's the way canstock have chosen to implement search.
Different agencies have different requirements, and you need to submit to each agency accordingly.

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« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2012, 19:35 »
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@OP Looks like the system is working. You type in storage shed and you get images with the keywords storage and shed. You don't need "storage shed". It's the way canstock have chosen to implement search.
Different agencies have different requirements, and you need to submit to each agency accordingly.
Maybe so on CanStockPhoto but what about the web where lots of buyers begin their searches where it doesn't work that way.

If i as a buyer on the web were looking for a storage shed i am going to type in storage shed and find a storage shed somewhere quite quickly but if i just type storage or shed i will have to search deeper to find what i am looking for correct?

CD123

« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2012, 00:43 »
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It is quite clear that this is not a normal storage shed for you, but rather a watershed. After all the input and feedback I think it now has reached the point where you have to decide if you can live with broken phrases or not. If not, withdraw your port and close your account. If you can, make peace with it and let this thread die a natural peaceful death......  :P
« Last Edit: March 06, 2012, 00:46 by CD123 »

« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2012, 01:11 »
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thank god that they are correcting our keywords and dont disqualify for wrong keywords like IS and not giving us burden to reupload with the keywords they want :-)

« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2012, 02:01 »
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There is actually a huge problem here. Most of you seem to assume two things:
1. In site search engines will not improve
2. The quantity of storage shed (in this particular case) images will not rise significantly

First, there is a huge space for improvement for all the sites in case of search engines. In that case the sites will be able to cluster the images better around the particular keywords without you needing to remove those that are not directly relevant to your image.

Second, if the number of images with a particular subject increases to a level, only those extra keywords that were now removed would be the ones that could distinguish a picture from another one. We are already facing this problem in several areas (e.g. images with people or everyday objects on them). Without adding those extra words you will not allow your possible buyers a chance to filter your image from the crowd (e.g. you have a shed with a lamp next to it while the others are not having one and the particular buyer would like to have one in the photo).

If we make the assumptions above then we will end up with indistinguishable images in the near future and it is going to be really hard to stand out from the crowd even in case of highly niche images.

CD123

« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2012, 02:34 »
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Oh please, can someone make them stop!!!!!

« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2012, 14:15 »
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Lots of good copy space for a business card.

And there is an Electrical box and Electrical conduit and Electrical light.


You missed a few keywords, I think you should raise a ticket with CS to sort it out

Grass    (at the bottom)
Light Bulb  (convinently located at the intersection of the rule of 1/19th within the electric light)
air (The photo isn't taken in outer space surely there is air in the photo)
planet earth (I'm going out on a limb here and assuming its not on mars)
proton (included in all atoms)
higgs boson particle (I suppose someone would have to prove it's not contained within the atoms that make up the shed)

« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2012, 14:54 »
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Lots of good copy space for a business card.

And there is an Electrical box and Electrical conduit and Electrical light.


You missed a few keywords, I think you should raise a ticket with CS to sort it out

Grass    (at the bottom)
Light Bulb  (convinently located at the intersection of the rule of 1/19th within the electric light)
air (The photo isn't taken in outer space surely there is air in the photo)
planet earth (I'm going out on a limb here and assuming its not on mars)
proton (included in all atoms)
higgs boson particle (I suppose someone would have to prove it's not contained within the atoms that make up the shed)


http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/525347


 

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