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Agency Based Discussion => DepositPhotos => Topic started by: Paulo M. F. Pires on August 28, 2012, 07:17
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Yesterday, I got the following sale:
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ID de Ficheiro: 8413425
Nome de Ficheiro:Modern House
Tamanho: EL4
O Seu Lucro: $2.64
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Now, knowing that with 44% of royalties, one EL4 gives around 22$ each, I went to their online chat ( fast by the way ), and report that situation.
Today, they reply me about it:
Depositphotos is constantly searching for the new ways of image selling in order to let the contributor to earn more.
Currently we are testing the Image selling by credits to our Partners. So these sales will be shown at your account as Partner sales.
The commission to the contributors will be provided according their levels - 55-52%.
In case this testing of Partner Sales is successful, we'll integrate the functional to unable this option "Partner Sales".
In fact, in sales report I've something like that:
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4894/dpsales.jpg) (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/dpsales.jpg/)
Now, I'm "puzzled" with such situation:
- They are testing without any warning? And will have opt-out option only after "testing"?
- Look to earnings column, I would be happy, because that partner sale gave me a bit more that a XL standard, but still wondering about "Extend License report"... Without knowing who is their partner, no one can check the prices/options to get an conclusion about royalties. At least is my conclusion.
The only thing it's certain, isn't pixmac. They still refusing accepting my files from partners, even from 123RF... ::)
This happens to someone else?
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Hi,
yesterday I got the same PP sale 3x and the same prices.
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I guess we have to stir some sh!t up here on MSG again to let the agency know how we feel about this.
More sales are good no doubt but a transparent business operation would be much more appreciated at least for us contributors!
Since it's in "beta" I'm sure we'll never know who the partners are but it would have been nice to be informed about possible a cooperation with partners as this "partner" or affiliated business is something many contributors have a problem with. You can create at lot of enemies for yourself implementing features like that without any announcements.
I also got one of those sales, didn't know what it was until now. I hope this thing didn't sell originally for $22 though.
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the EL license on this partner site price is not $22, it's more like $6-7, yes this is the answer i got from them when questioned. it's the lowest EL price among all the sites i'm submitting to. we should together do something about it.
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this ainīt acceptable, 12% is quite absurd
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All the images i now send to DP are scaled to the lowest possible resolution. They are competing on price far too heavily. This will result in the downfall of prices elsewhere. I do not see any benefit to supporting further drops in price. Some agencies out there are pushing prices up like IS and SS, if the prices go up everyone earns more.
They like us to be creative with our work, so lets see them be creative about competition with other sites and not just compete on price.
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Complete bullsht ripoff slap in the face to contributors. The pattern is so fkd up: Give away more and more of your EL for less and less. I once relied on EL to make my month, now MS sites are stealing from that too because they know there's money to be made at our expense. Good for attracting buyers bad for suppliers. When will they * get it?
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I've deactivated some of my new images because of this EL issue
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I deleted my port there, and other places.
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They should test this on their own expenses! No way that you agreed to sell ELs for less than stated in contract with them... If so then steal is great way for other agencies to copy and paste such business model!
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we should change this thread subject to
"the reason why you shouldn't submit to Depositphotos!"
let's see if that will bring their attention.
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I got 2 yesterday for 2.76 each and I was quite pleased as it makes a change from all the subs but am now disgusted if they are EL sales!!!
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Since MSG update I can not see new replies on my own topic...
Anyway, thread subject changed, to all members be aware of this new issue. I'm not against "Partners Programs", but I'm not interested have my images "offered" anywhere.
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I guess we have to stir some sh!t up here on MSG again to let the agency know how we feel about this......
Yeah good luck with that, the rep that was on MSG hasn't been about for a while
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There is not much stirring sh*t going on. I guess people are ok with the cheap ELs?
What can be done about this then to get their attention?
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There is not much stirring sh*t going on. I guess people are ok with the cheap ELs?
What can be done about this then to get their attention?
I don't think there is anything you can do to get their attention. Just like all the agencies, as long as contributors are willing to take their $hit, they will continue to dole it out. Look at istock and how much they reamed (and continue to do so) their contributors and yet the agency just sold for how much? Taking advantage of people is big business! >:(
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That's exactly the reason why I don't upload to the agencies outside the top 4 and deleted half of my accounts already. Shady business practices all the time. On top of offensively low commissions we get from sales that happen on their sites.
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That's exactly the reason why I don't upload to the agencies outside the top 4 and deleted half of my accounts already. Shady business practices all the time. On top of offensively low commissions we get from sales that happen on their sites.
Again, false. This is just flat-out wrong, and yet you keep saying it in this forum.
Yes, there are a few bad apples among the smaller agencies. But some of the worst business practices come from some of the top 4 companies as well. Fotolia is probably one of the shadiest companies in the business.
And we get some of th highest commissions from small companies. My highest RPD sites are not the top 4.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion about these sites, but gross generalizations based on your opinion of just a few less reputable companies doesn't help anyone.
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That's exactly the reason why I don't upload to the agencies outside the top 4 and deleted half of my accounts already. Shady business practices all the time. On top of offensively low commissions we get from sales that happen on their sites.
Again, false. This is just flat-out wrong, and yet you keep saying it in this forum.
Yes, there are a few bad apples among the smaller agencies. But some of the worst business practices come from some of the top 4 companies as well. Fotolia is probably one of the shadiest companies in the business.
And we get some of th highest commissions from small companies. My highest RPD sites are not the top 4.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion about these sites, but gross generalizations based on your opinion of just a few less reputable companies doesn't help anyone.
Plus one. I saw that and couldn't understand where Stan was coming from. Does he think the top 4 companies can be trusted more than the smaller ones?
Dream on.
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Not 'Dream On' but 'Dreams Time' ;D
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I'm contributor with depositphotos only since one month, they contact me and ask me to send photos if i would.
I think I've made a big mistake because I send them all my files at high resolution and I see they selling 99% of sub for a ridiculous 30c $ (20c ).
That's clear we should never send high resolution files to fotolia or deposit, even in most of the big sites, but 30c is the stingiest ever >:(
I've just send them an email asking for deleting my portfolio as soon as possible.
I will maybe send my files again at the smallest resolution they accept.
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That's exactly the reason why I don't upload to the agencies outside the top 4 and deleted half of my accounts already. Shady business practices all the time. On top of offensively low commissions we get from sales that happen on their sites.
Again, false. This is just flat-out wrong, and yet you keep saying it in this forum.
Yes, there are a few bad apples among the smaller agencies. But some of the worst business practices come from some of the top 4 companies as well. Fotolia is probably one of the shadiest companies in the business.
And we get some of th highest commissions from small companies. My highest RPD sites are not the top 4.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion about these sites, but gross generalizations based on your opinion of just a few less reputable companies doesn't help anyone.
And how does you comment differ in any way? LOL!
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All the agencies are the same: business, and quite greedy. Depositphotos, it seems, has had some success (at least like an start-up)... so, having success, no needing so much more photographers... why not screw them a bit? (That's something that at the very beggining you can't do). The least a business can do is deliver (like IS and SS do) to their suppliers, that's the reason I see no logic in uploading to minor agencies that don't do much, except selling for cents to get some customers and accelerating the race to the bottom.
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All the agencies are the same: business, and quite greedy. Depositphotos, it seems, has had some success (at least like an start-up)... so, having success, no needing so much more photographers... why not screw them a bit? (That's something that at the very beggining you can't do). The least a business can do is deliver (like IS and SS do) to their suppliers, that's the reason I see no logic in uploading to minor agencies that don't do much, except selling for cents to get some customers and accelerating the race to the bottom.
Finally a voice of reason! I gave you a heart
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Very disappointed with DP.
Say what you will about 123RF but I still regard them as the best communicators in the business. You may not like their game plan but they're giving us all plenty of time to opt in or opt out.
Good communication conveys: "We are partners. This is our game plan." Poor communication, as DP has recently demonstrated conveys: "You work for us....we do what we want." ....Very disappointing.
The bottom line is, folks, the agencies are empowered. They do what they want because, in the end, they know for every few dozen who drop them, there's a hundred more ready to submit.
We work individually not collectively. And as long as that's the order of business agencies will do what they * well please.
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had 1 a few days ago for 2.76$, I wish we had some reply/explanation from DP here, just turned bronze this week
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...I see no logic in uploading to minor agencies that don't do much, except selling for cents to get some customers and accelerating the race to the bottom.
Race to the bottom? The smaller agencies tend to have much higher royalty rates, and average to above average prices. None of the top 4 are offering 50% royalties. My highest RPD comes from small agencies, not the big 4. So how is that a race to the bottom, when the small agencies are at the top of the scale in many cases?
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That's exactly the reason why I don't upload to the agencies outside the top 4 and deleted half of my accounts already. Shady business practices all the time. On top of offensively low commissions we get from sales that happen on their sites.
Again, false. This is just flat-out wrong, and yet you keep saying it in this forum.
Yes, there are a few bad apples among the smaller agencies. But some of the worst business practices come from some of the top 4 companies as well. Fotolia is probably one of the shadiest companies in the business.
And we get some of th highest commissions from small companies. My highest RPD sites are not the top 4.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion about these sites, but gross generalizations based on your opinion of just a few less reputable companies doesn't help anyone.
And how does you comment differ in any way? LOL!
I don't know what you mean here. My comment is the opposite of yours. It's not full of gross generalizations. I clearly said that while I understand that there are some bad apples among the smaller companies, there are also plenty of companies that make far better offers than the big 4 in terms of pricing, royalties, etc. I recognize that not all companies are the same, unlike you who chooses to label them all identically based on the actions of the few.
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That's exactly the reason why I don't upload to the agencies outside the top 4 and deleted half of my accounts already. Shady business practices all the time. On top of offensively low commissions we get from sales that happen on their sites.
Again, false. This is just flat-out wrong, and yet you keep saying it in this forum.
Yes, there are a few bad apples among the smaller agencies. But some of the worst business practices come from some of the top 4 companies as well. Fotolia is probably one of the shadiest companies in the business.
And we get some of th highest commissions from small companies. My highest RPD sites are not the top 4.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion about these sites, but gross generalizations based on your opinion of just a few less reputable companies doesn't help anyone.
And how does you comment differ in any way? LOL!
I don't know what you mean here. My comment is the opposite of yours. It's not full of gross generalizations. I clearly said that while I understand that there are some bad apples among the smaller companies, there are also plenty of companies that make far better offers than the big 4 in terms of pricing, royalties, etc. I recognize that not all companies are the same, unlike you who chooses to label them all identically based on the actions of the few.
I you said I was flat out wrong, you didn't say why. Highest commissions from small companies?!? Name 1, for photos of course. And that has the volume as well, or else even a 10$ RPD doesn't help much (which you don't get anyway). You say gross generilazations based on my opinion, but what are you basing your post on?
Sure the small companies make better pricing. For the buyers ;)
Be specific, tell something, don't just talk for talk's sake
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...I see no logic in uploading to minor agencies that don't do much, except selling for cents to get some customers and accelerating the race to the bottom.
Race to the bottom? The smaller agencies tend to have much higher royalty rates, and average to above average prices. None of the top 4 are offering 50% royalties. My highest RPD comes from small agencies, not the big 4. So how is that a race to the bottom, when the small agencies are at the top of the scale in many cases?
Just went there. You can get a XS for 0,40 (no subs) and an XL for 4.00. Tha'ts 0,20 and 2,00 royalties. Above average prices?? I get 2,50 from an XS and 12 from an XL at IS (not to talk of E+ Vetta and Agency). My RPD is about 5 $.
At the end of the day, what matters is what we get for our work. That has three factors: % royalties, sales volume and price. If two of these factors fail, in my opinion, the agency it's not worth.
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I you said I was flat out wrong, you didn't say why. Highest commissions from small companies?!? Name 1, for photos of course. And that has the volume as well, or else even a 10$ RPD doesn't help much (which you don't get anyway). You say gross generilazations based on my opinion, but what are you basing your post on?
Sure the small companies make better pricing. For the buyers ;)
Be specific, tell something, don't just talk for talk's sake
I can't comment specifically on photo sales as I'm not a photographer, but here's what I'm talking about (and most of these sites sell photos as well as vectors):
StockFresh. $10 vector sales, $5 in my pocket for each one, over $100 per month total earnings.
GL. $6-$15 vector pricing (set by contributor, option to set it higher). $3.60 - $7.80 per sale, good sales volume.
GraphicRiver. 33% royalty (not great but more than double what istock will be paying me next year). 2nd highest earner last month in total earnings for me, behind SS, out of 20 sites I sell at.
Unnamed site (I'm not giving away any secrets), it's not even on the poll list. Over $3,000 in earnings there so far this year.
Veer. I saw a ton of $7 royalties last month, a good number of $2-$5 royalties. Significant growth in the last few months. Veer will probably move ahead of DT on my list soon.
My earnings from middle and low tier sites last month represented 30% of my total.
These sites are far from bottom feeders. They pay no worse than the worst of the top 4, percentage wise and in some cases in total earnings for me. And I sure as heck wouldn't want to do without the 30% of my income that comes from the small sites.
You can hate on small sites for whatever reason. And I'm not interested in convincing anyone that they should participate in them. But I'm not ok with anyone making these general claims about all small site based on your opinion of how a few of the bad ones operate. These sites are important, and I think it's reckless and damaging to the industry to discourage people from looking into them because you say they all pay poorly.
How about you let people decide for themselves? Why try to discourage people from trying smaller sites that, in some cases and contrary to your generalization, do pay well, do offer good deals for contributors, and do not contribute to this "race to the bottom" you're so concerned with?
And since we're being "specific" as you asked, how about you be specific about which sites you think are bad for the business, and why.
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...I see no logic in uploading to minor agencies that don't do much, except selling for cents to get some customers and accelerating the race to the bottom.
Race to the bottom? The smaller agencies tend to have much higher royalty rates, and average to above average prices. None of the top 4 are offering 50% royalties. My highest RPD comes from small agencies, not the big 4. So how is that a race to the bottom, when the small agencies are at the top of the scale in many cases?
100% behind you (Mike) on the point that some of the best sites in terms of treatment of contributors are the smaller ones. But what loop was saying I think doesn't contradict you.
There is no point uploading to the other small sites that only compete on price like DP. You can justify uploading to the big sites that threat us like s**t because of the volume of sales, but uploading to one of the bad small guys is serving no purpose but "accelerating the race to the bottom"
What stan is saying I can't quite figure out, as I think you have been pretty clear on your stance which is opposite to his (i.e. some of biggest sites offer the worst terms, some of the smallest some of the best)
ETA one more interesting thing you bought up, the site that isn't on the right and is your second best earner, I am also on there and it demonstrates that the "you need millions for marketing" thing is not necessarily true. They bring in their buyers with great customer service and lots of work on SEO, but that's another topic.
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So we lose lagereek and gain stan around the same time. There's something very familiar about those bold statements that are correct in everything but the facts :)
Must be a coincidence that they both dislike the smaller sites, I'm sure it couldn't possibly be the same person, that never happens here (sarcasm emoticon)
Perhaps the worst site of them all for leading the race to the bottom is Thinkstock and they're owned by the biggest site, Getty. I never understand why some people say the small sites with low volume are forcing prices down? People complain that they don't have buyers but at the same time think they have a big influence on prices? And most of the small sites I use pay much more commission percentages than most of the bigger sites.
As for Depositphotos, I've never fully trusted them. They aren't like the other smaller sites I use. They invested lots of money and seem too much like FT. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up as unpopular. And there's the previous discussions here about alleged financial links to the site that hosts stolen microstock images. Never quite understood how people can have confidence in a site that has those connections.
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...... I never understand why some people say the small sites with low volume are forcing prices down? People complain that they don't have buyers but at the same time think they have a big influence on prices? ........
Fotolia made it pretty clear they were paying attention when DP came on the scene when they tried to use it as an excuse to lower their prices for any contributor selling on DP
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I you said I was flat out wrong, you didn't say why. Highest commissions from small companies?!? Name 1, for photos of course. And that has the volume as well, or else even a 10$ RPD doesn't help much (which you don't get anyway). You say gross generilazations based on my opinion, but what are you basing your post on?
Sure the small companies make better pricing. For the buyers ;)
Be specific, tell something, don't just talk for talk's sake
I can't comment specifically on photo sales as I'm not a photographer, but here's what I'm talking about (and most of these sites sell photos as well as vectors):
StockFresh. $10 vector sales, $5 in my pocket for each one, over $100 per month total earnings.
GL. $6-$15 vector pricing (set by contributor, option to set it higher). $3.60 - $7.80 per sale, good sales volume.
GraphicRiver. 33% royalty (not great but more than double what istock will be paying me next year). 2nd highest earner last month in total earnings for me, behind SS, out of 20 sites I sell at.
Unnamed site (I'm not giving away any secrets), it's not even on the poll list. Over $3,000 in earnings there so far this year.
Veer. I saw a ton of $7 royalties last month, a good number of $2-$5 royalties. Significant growth in the last few months. Veer will probably move ahead of DT on my list soon.
My earnings from middle and low tier sites last month represented 30% of my total.
These sites are far from bottom feeders. They pay no worse than the worst of the top 4, percentage wise and in some cases in total earnings for me. And I sure as heck wouldn't want to do without the 30% of my income that comes from the small sites.
You can hate on small sites for whatever reason. And I'm not interested in convincing anyone that they should participate in them. But I'm not ok with anyone making these general claims about all small site based on your opinion of how a few of the bad ones operate. These sites are important, and I think it's reckless and damaging to the industry to discourage people from looking into them because you say they all pay poorly.
How about you let people decide for themselves? Why try to discourage people from trying smaller sites that, in some cases and contrary to your generalization, do pay well, do offer good deals for contributors, and do not contribute to this "race to the bottom" you're so concerned with?
And since we're being "specific" as you asked, how about you be specific about which sites you think are bad for the business, and why.
You see. I stopped reading right after you said you weren't a tog. Irrelevant info for me ;)
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I don't consider what 123rf did as stunt, their new compensation system would still make them one of the fairer sites out there. They even offered to grandfather in anyone with a sizable portfolio or number of sales. Big players shouldn't see a drop in commission in any case.
DP hasn't become any more shady, they are pretty much the same as ever.
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I don't consider what 123rf did as stunt, their new compensation system would still make them one of the fairer sites out there. They even offered to grandfather in anyone with a sizable portfolio or number of sales. Big players shouldn't see a drop in commission in any case.
DP hasn't become any more shady, they are pretty much the same as ever.
Them saying anyone with over 250 sales (or something like that) is going to keep on getting 50% and than changing it is not a stunt, but one of the fairer sites? Wow, people just keep on surprising me with their interpretations about what fair is. I don't know anything about grandfathering, was that kept quiet, did they just send emails to the chosen ones?
So that makes them just ok then? ;D
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Paying between 30% and 60% with achievable lower tiers easily makes the new terms some of the best (the best?) among the the bigger sites.
If you are, say, a platinum seller on IS you should be making 50+ percent on 123, on IStock you would be lucky to make 20%
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Re 123: I cannot for the life of me figure out how the h3ll a drop in commission is going to motivate me to upload more high quality images. How is punishing me by paying me less for my OWN work going to make me want to reward you with giving you even more and better images?? What drugs are these people on? Problem is that only the small guy is getting hit, and we might not hear a lot from the top contributors because they are not affected. I assume if everyone would see the drop, hell would be raised. But thats an assumption I made, and if I am wrong assuming that, I must have missed something then and I apologise up front.
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Paying between 30% and 60% with achievable lower tiers easily makes the new terms some of the best (the best?) among the the bigger sites.
If you are, say, a platinum seller on IS you should be making 50+ percent on 123, on IStock you would be lucky to make 20%
When will some of you get a grasp on basic math? What is better:
Making 1000 sales/month with 1,5$+ RPD at IS or getting 200 at 0,6$ RPD at 123RF or 150 at DP at 0,4$ RPD. I've made up the number of DLs, while the RPD and DL ratios are (almost) exact, when I look at my stats. You see, if I earned 1500$ at IS, I got only 120$ at 123RF and 60$ at DP. Can you understand where I'm coming from now? On top of all that IS rolled out the RC system and said this is the deal, take it or leave it, while 123RF promised some of us we wouldn't be affected and later on broke that promise. They hustled us, those that were close to the 250 DLs limit to UL all they have and the rest of us to UL a while longer/delete our ports at a later date or in the best case scenario (for them) either don't delete our ports, just stop ULing. All in all the RC system is of course bad, it's exactly this https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=472614526105332&set=a.244903342209786.71434.212514318782022&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=472614526105332&set=a.244903342209786.71434.212514318782022&type=1&theater)
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Re 123: I cannot for the life of me figure out how the h3ll a drop in commission is going to motivate me to upload more high quality images. How is punishing me by paying me less for my OWN work going to make me want to reward you with giving you even more and better images?? What drugs are these people on? Problem is that only the small guy is getting hit, and we might not hear a lot from the top contributors because they are not affected. I assume if everyone would see the drop, hell would be raised. But thats an assumption I made, and if I am wrong assuming that, I must have missed something then and I apologise up front.
I guess I just apply the rules the same way as I do to stocks and shares.
Instead of looking at the history of what their commissions were I take an assessment of the new situation and decide as if it was a new investment if it is worth uploading or maintaining my portfolio on a site.
With 123 I will not see a drop in commission and may see an increase, plus even with a decrease I would still be uploading to many sites with less fair terms and lower sales.
DP on the other hand are fast approaching the point where I will have to pull all the work I have on there.
You should definitely stop uploading if your assessment is that the site cannot be trusted or that their compensation isn't worth the effort.
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Re 123: I cannot for the life of me figure out how the h3ll a drop in commission is going to motivate me to upload more high quality images. How is punishing me by paying me less for my OWN work going to make me want to reward you with giving you even more and better images?? What drugs are these people on? Problem is that only the small guy is getting hit, and we might not hear a lot from the top contributors because they are not affected. I assume if everyone would see the drop, hell would be raised. But thats an assumption I made, and if I am wrong assuming that, I must have missed something then and I apologise up front.
I guess I just apply the rules the same way as I do to stocks and shares.
Instead of looking at the history of what their commissions were I take an assessment of the new situation and decide as if it was a new investment if it is worth uploading or maintaining my portfolio on a site.
With 123 I will not see a drop in commission and may see an increase, plus even with a decrease I would still be uploading to many sites with less fair terms and lower sales.
DP on the other hand are fast approaching the point where I will have to pull all the work I have on there.
You should definitely stop uploading if your assessment is that the site cannot be trusted or that their compensation isn't worth the effort.
Thanks, thats very insightful advice, and I will look at it that way come January.
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With 123 I will not see a drop in commission and may see an increase, plus even with a decrease I would still be uploading to many sites with less fair terms and lower sales.
DP on the other hand are fast approaching the point where I will have to pull all the work I have on there.
True, I don't like the cut either and I will probably get one (45%) but that still doesn't get rid of the fact that we sell our work elsewhere under far worse conditions.
My 2c.
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Paying between 30% and 60% with achievable lower tiers easily makes the new terms some of the best (the best?) among the the bigger sites.
If you are, say, a platinum seller on IS you should be making 50+ percent on 123, on IStock you would be lucky to make 20%
When will some of you get a grasp on basic math? What is better:
Making 1000 sales/month with 1,5$+ RPD at IS or getting 200 at 0,6$ RPD at 123RF or 150 at DP at 0,4$ RPD. I've made up the number of DLs, while the RPD and DL ratios are (almost) exact, when I look at my stats. You see, if I earned 1500$ at IS, I got only 120$ at 123RF and 60$ at DP. Can you understand where I'm coming from now? On top of all that IS rolled out the RC system and said this is the deal, take it or leave it, while 123RF promised some of us we wouldn't be affected and later on broke that promise. They hustled us, those that were close to the 250 DLs limit to UL all they have and the rest of us to UL a while longer/delete our ports at a later date or in the best case scenario (for them) either don't delete our ports, just stop ULing. All in all the RC system is of course bad, it's exactly this https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=472614526105332&set=a.244903342209786.71434.212514318782022&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=472614526105332&set=a.244903342209786.71434.212514318782022&type=1&theater)
Wow, your RPD on 123 and DP is really low!
Please factor in all those 25c (ever increasing) Thinkstock downloads before making your calculations for IS though, that would only be fair given that the RPD on 123 and DP includes their sub schemes. Then have a think about the demand curve and the fact that number of sales increases with a drop in price for no marginal cost to us and that IS is pricing themselves out of micro, and you start to see that it isn't as easy all that.
Just make your assessment and decide where you want to upload.
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Paying between 30% and 60% with achievable lower tiers easily makes the new terms some of the best (the best?) among the the bigger sites.
If you are, say, a platinum seller on IS you should be making 50+ percent on 123, on IStock you would be lucky to make 20%
When will some of you get a grasp on basic math? What is better:
Making 1000 sales/month with 1,5$+ RPD at IS or getting 200 at 0,6$ RPD at 123RF or 150 at DP at 0,4$ RPD. I've made up the number of DLs, while the RPD and DL ratios are (almost) exact, when I look at my stats. You see, if I earned 1500$ at IS, I got only 120$ at 123RF and 60$ at DP. Can you understand where I'm coming from now? On top of all that IS rolled out the RC system and said this is the deal, take it or leave it, while 123RF promised some of us we wouldn't be affected and later on broke that promise. They hustled us, those that were close to the 250 DLs limit to UL all they have and the rest of us to UL a while longer/delete our ports at a later date or in the best case scenario (for them) either don't delete our ports, just stop ULing. All in all the RC system is of course bad, it's exactly this https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=472614526105332&set=a.244903342209786.71434.212514318782022&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=472614526105332&set=a.244903342209786.71434.212514318782022&type=1&theater)
Wow, your RPD on 123 and DP is really low!
Please factor in all those 25c (ever increasing) Thinkstock downloads before making your calculations for IS though, that would only be fair given that the RPD on 123 and DP includes their sub schemes. Then have a think about the demand curve and the fact that number of sales increases with a drop in price for no marginal cost to us and that IS is pricing themselves out of micro, and you start to see that it isn't as easy all that.
Just make your assessment and decide where you want to upload.
Indeed it is, but at least when it comes to DP, I hear it from many people they're getting the same.
Yes, I haven't factored in PP. It would lower the RPD. But it would only further increase the differences in earnings. You do see that don't you? ;) . And as I've said many times, all I care about is the bottom line, RPD by itself is meaningless, if it's not multiplied by a healthy number of sales. OTOH sales can get really low if they're multiplied by huge RPD. I really don't care about the formula only the end result. That's why, I've been saying that for me, only top 4 agencies really matter. I am making the assessment as I go all the time. I've deleted some non top 4 accounts, while I just stopped ULing at the others. I'm pretty sure I'll drop DP and 123RF at the end of the year. Perhaps the whole bunch, I might be doing more damage than good to myself. Meaning those pathetic double digit earnings at those sites don't make up for all the google searches that lead to the cheapest sites and the price difference can be huge. And about IS, their latest price change was a reduction, for indies and E+.
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Fair enough, I get 50%+ of my income from the smaller sites all added together so it is worth it for me, provided as I say, they aren't undercutting my sales on other sites by competing just on price.
If it isn't worth it for you, you are right not to upload.
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Fair enough, I get 50%+ of my income from the smaller sites all added together so it is worth it for me, provided as I say, they aren't undercutting my sales on other sites by competing just on price.
If it isn't worth it for you, you are right not to upload.
It makes sense in your case, I don't think I ever got over 15%. But then again, comparing us is like comparing apples and bananas; I'm a tog and you're an illustrator, we all know that some small sites work great for you, I've read many post from another illustrator (I can't remember her nick, but she has her own site that also works great for her), come to think about it, there were a few actually
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...I'm against small sites since they don't deliver and every single time they feel like they've become an important player, they pull stunts like 123RF or operate in a shady manner like DP (they don't answer to your request to delete your account or they just deactivate the files or as someone reported, keep on selling them). I've had some good experience after asking the small sites to delete my port, they did it immediately...
You realize you're contradicting yourself from one sentence to the next, right? First it's more generalizations, all small sites are bad, all do the same stuff, are shady, wont really delete things, etc. Then it's some small sites respond well to deletion requests.
So it's "every single time," except those times when it didn't happen that way. I see.
...Not a single top photographer earns most at a non top 4 agency...
And not a single top photographer limits their business to just the top 4, like you would probably suggest we all should. Wonder why that is...
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A number of posts were removed from this thread consisting of petty personal disagreements. If you have problems with another member, send me a PM, you don't need to make a public statement about it. Please stick to the topic and not attack each other.
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Instead of looking at the history of what their commissions were I take an assessment of the new situation and decide as if it was a new investment if it is worth uploading or maintaining my portfolio on a site.
I never thought of it like that, but I am very impressed by the logic of what you're saying. This is probably the most rational way to assess any/all of the sites.
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And not a single top photographer limits their business to just the top 4, like you would probably suggest we all should. Wonder why that is...
You don't rate e.g. LiseGagne and SuperSean, who limit their business to just one of the top 4, as among the top photographers? Apart from anything else, being lone wolves must put them up there, hardly comparable with the factories, no matter how impressive. In fact, these are two of the 'single photographers'. Many of the other high sellers in the micros are not, so don't count in your equation.
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I you said I was flat out wrong, you didn't say why. Highest commissions from small companies?!? Name 1, for photos of course. And that has the volume as well, or else even a 10$ RPD doesn't help much (which you don't get anyway). You say gross generilazations based on my opinion, but what are you basing your post on?
Sure the small companies make better pricing. For the buyers ;)
Be specific, tell something, don't just talk for talk's sake
I can't comment specifically on photo sales as I'm not a photographer, but here's what I'm talking about (and most of these sites sell photos as well as vectors):
StockFresh. $10 vector sales, $5 in my pocket for each one, over $100 per month total earnings.
GL. $6-$15 vector pricing (set by contributor, option to set it higher). $3.60 - $7.80 per sale, good sales volume.
GraphicRiver. 33% royalty (not great but more than double what istock will be paying me next year). 2nd highest earner last month in total earnings for me, behind SS, out of 20 sites I sell at.
Unnamed site (I'm not giving away any secrets), it's not even on the poll list. Over $3,000 in earnings there so far this year.
Veer. I saw a ton of $7 royalties last month, a good number of $2-$5 royalties. Significant growth in the last few months. Veer will probably move ahead of DT on my list soon.
My earnings from middle and low tier sites last month represented 30% of my total.
These sites are far from bottom feeders. They pay no worse than the worst of the top 4, percentage wise and in some cases in total earnings for me. And I sure as heck wouldn't want to do without the 30% of my income that comes from the small sites.
You can hate on small sites for whatever reason. And I'm not interested in convincing anyone that they should participate in them. But I'm not ok with anyone making these general claims about all small site based on your opinion of how a few of the bad ones operate. These sites are important, and I think it's reckless and damaging to the industry to discourage people from looking into them because you say they all pay poorly.
How about you let people decide for themselves? Why try to discourage people from trying smaller sites that, in some cases and contrary to your generalization, do pay well, do offer good deals for contributors, and do not contribute to this "race to the bottom" you're so concerned with?
And since we're being "specific" as you asked, how about you be specific about which sites you think are bad for the business, and why.
You see. I stopped reading right after you said you weren't a tog. Irrelevant info for me ;)
Me to don't forget ppl warned that DP would be just like the rest once they had the pictures and had the suckers hooked. Pay the monkeys with peanuts and they will keep coming back. That's the little sites and DP always competes on price, they had to stop losing money and start taking advantage of the togs and drawers.
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You don't rate e.g. LiseGagne and SuperSean, who limit their business to just one of the top 4, as among the top photographers? Apart from anything else, being lone wolves must put them up there, hardly comparable with the factories, no matter how impressive. In fact, these are two of the 'single photographers'. Many of the other high sellers in the micros are not, so don't count in your equation.
Oh please. You know what the discussion is about. Don't even try to suggest that I was slighting them in any way.
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Update from DP support:
The images were downloaded under the Extended License.
We have finally integrated the option to make the Images under Extended License unavailable for the Partner sales.
So please let me know if you want to disable the option - Partner Sales.
2,64$ for an EL, even been sold trough PP? No, Thanks.
I would suggest that we should all send an email to disable these type of license trough PP. Who knows if they change their mind..
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I sent a message to DP and asked them to either pull my images off of partner sales or disable all EL sales to stop this from happening. They pulled my port away from partner sales. If enough people do this the message will sink in!
In them selling my images for 18 months im up to 40$ so i can take it or leave it with them.
I also told them the reason why! That i had heard of the 6-7$ EL comission.
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After my message saying I want them to delete my portfolio because subs prices are by far to low , they ask me not to be angry and they will talk with the manager to see if opt out is possible.
They will answer asap.
Wait and see...
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Opt out on subs is a great option. However, without subs on that site i think the number of sales would be too low.
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i must say that i'm little surprised that stock top contributors are not commenting on this one. when the issue of Veer decide to put their collection on Alamy everyone was jumping up and down.
can i then assume that top contributors are making good money on DP that they don't even care that their files sold under extended license are for less than $10?
i might be a small fish in the pond but extend license for less than $10 is not on. i have emailed them to opt out partner EL.
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Maybe the top contributors are busy writing to get clarification and opt out, rather than commenting? Not sure. It's only Monday. Not everybody is around all weekend keeping up with everything that's going on.
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I have emailed them just now to opt out of the PP EL sales. I am a small fish, but every email counts, I guess.
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I deactivated my images there after the last payment. Really don't like the way they do things!
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I also send an email asking to opt out of the partner program. Who do they partner with anyway? Any one know?
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I've sent an email to ask them to close my account and to remove all my images from DP and their partners.
I'm a small fish.
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I'm a small fish.
You type very well for a fish, small or otherwise.
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Quote from: mayaartist on Today at 14:41
I'm a small fish.
You type very well for a fish, small or otherwise.
Hi gostwyck,
I'm sorry but I don't understand what I did wrong?
P.S. Sorry, English is not my native language.
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Small fish here too, have emailed and asked to be opted out from EL partner program
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Quote from: mayaartist on Today at 14:41
I'm a small fish.
You type very well for a fish, small or otherwise.
Hi gostwyck,
I'm sorry but I don't understand what I did wrong?
P.S. Sorry, English is not my native language.
You didn't do anything wrong. I think he was just making a joke.
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Now they have had a few emails asking about opting out on partner program it might actually have an effect.
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Quote from: mayaartist on Today at 14:41
I'm a small fish.
You type very well for a fish, small or otherwise.
Hi gostwyck,
I'm sorry but I don't understand what I did wrong?
P.S. Sorry, English is not my native language.
You didn't do anything wrong. I think he was just making a joke.
Guilty as charged. I was replying to your statement 'literally' for comedic effect. I guess it loses something in translation.
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Thanks for the heads up, I just contacted them and asked to have my images removed from the PP, and also to remove the EL option.
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Hello everyone,
sorry that i only now come here to give a statement.
Well, there is no way around it they way this feature has been introduced has been a mistake from our side. There was no communication to the contributors before it went ahead and that is not the kind of transparency and level of communication we want to provide.
We also have to admit to miscommunication inside the company as not everyone was informed this feature would already go live without informing contributors beforehand.
We then wanted to quickly present a one click solution with which every contributor could have unsubscribed from this feature by themselves quickly. As this proved tricky to do quickly and save, we have then decided to do it on demand as soon as a contributor contacts their personal contact person or send an email to [email protected].
The feature is right now limited to one project and one license type. It is limited to a special use of extended license that would not have attracted the partner paying the full extended license as they only need it for a very specific use. It is not offering extended licenses generally to lower prices, but subject to specific use.
I understand, if you do not want to offer your files for this feature and a quick mail to us will unsubscribe you from the feature.
This lack of communication has been a dear lesson to us and we will learn from it and will make sure that this will not happen again. Changes of this magnitude will have to go through all company levels before executed to make sure the information towards our contributors is clear and direct and most important happens before the launch of any new feature.
I will try to show good presence in this thread from now on and answer any upcoming questions.
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What are these "specific uses"? We need to know so we can decide if it acceptable to sell a license for the use for a couple of dollars a shot.
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Hi,
Thanks cclapper and gostwyck.
I like jokes to be honest.
I'm sorry for misunderstanding.
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What are these "specific uses"? We need to know so we can decide if it acceptable to sell a license for the use for a couple of dollars a shot.
Well, it is for online use which would be - if used single - a standard license. Only as part of the bigger project it is used for, it has to be considered extended license.
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Some details please? "It is on the web" doesn't really explain what the use is.
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I think that any agency should:
- Announce when any new " sales strategy" will be implemented.
- Get feedback of Contributors.
- Then, they should provide an option to "opt-in" and "opt-out" for all those "methods". Opt-out by default.
Will be always hard manage it trough email.
About license, one EL4 means a lot of utilization possible. How we , or even DP, can be sure about their utilization?
In my particular case i got 2 PP sales, 2,64$ each, over same image ( 27/08 and 29/08 ). Now how much I could win with these two images?
BTW, I got at least 20$~30 trough PP EL's... if some agencies can do it, why DP want sale them with a ridiculous price?
Let's see how things will work in future.
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I think that any agency should:
- Announce when any new " sales strategy" will be implemented.
- Get feedback of Contributors.
- Then, they should provide an option to "opt-in" and "opt-out" for all those "methods". Opt-out by default.
Will be always hard manage it trough email.
Correct. That is how it should have been. And as said before that was a mistake that we canīt undo now and that is bugging me a lot.
About license, one EL4 means a lot of utilization possible. How we , or even DP, can be sure about their utilization?
In my particular case i got 2 PP sales, 2,64$ each, over same image ( 27/08 and 29/08 ). Now how much I could win with these two images?
BTW, I got at least 20$~30 trough PP EL's... if some agencies can do it, why DP want sale them with a ridiculous price?
Let's see how things will work in future.
Well, the use if not for the project it has been used for, but in a single use would have required only standard licenses, so i canīt say you have lost any money with this.
In every other use our EL's also provide the sort of royalties you have mentioned. The current case is not about an EL being generally sold for a lower price, but within a special project for a certain use.
Microbius, all i can say is, that it is for a web based service that automates processes and therefore would be a standard license in single use but becomes an extended through the automated process.
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Do you mean that it would be in a template where users could generate, for example webpages?
Would the partner be buying one of these extended licenses each time a single customer creates a web page or document? (I am guessing here from you saying it is the automation that requires an extended license, not that they will be using the image lots of times).
If so that seems quite reasonable, if on the other hand you mean that the partner buys a single one of these licenses for a couple of dollars and can then sell templates or websites or products using the image multiple times then that is completely out of the question.
If you are genuinely interested in opening up the lines of communication you need to actually give us an idea of what you are doing. I am finding your responses really evasive so far.
I am sorry to try and pin you down like this, but this is an ongoing issue and we need to know whether to withdraw our images.
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Very well said!...agree 100%
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Hello everyone,
sorry that i only now come here to give a statement.
Well, there is no way around it they way this feature has been introduced has been a mistake from our side. There was no communication to the contributors before it went ahead and that is not the kind of transparency and level of communication we want to provide.
We also have to admit to miscommunication inside the company as not everyone was informed this feature would already go live without informing contributors beforehand.
We then wanted to quickly present a one click solution with which every contributor could have unsubscribed from this feature by themselves quickly. As this proved tricky to do quickly and save, we have then decided to do it on demand as soon as a contributor contacts their personal contact person or send an email to [email protected].
The feature is right now limited to one project and one license type. It is limited to a special use of extended license that would not have attracted the partner paying the full extended license as they only need it for a very specific use. It is not offering extended licenses generally to lower prices, but subject to specific use.
I understand, if you do not want to offer your files for this feature and a quick mail to us will unsubscribe you from the feature.
This lack of communication has been a dear lesson to us and we will learn from it and will make sure that this will not happen again. Changes of this magnitude will have to go through all company levels before executed to make sure the information towards our contributors is clear and direct and most important happens before the launch of any new feature.
I will try to show good presence in this thread from now on and answer any upcoming questions.
Thank you for clearing this up Marius. It is always good to know that Agencies are listening, and, more important so, correct mistakes if there were some made.
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? We haven't got any details at all of what a single sale of one of these ELs permits. No mistakes have been corrected, I believe the scheme is still going on and we have no way of knowing if we should be opting out or not.
Yes the communication was bad and thanks for the apology for that, but the communication is still bad right now. Let save the praise for if/ when we are given any hard facts rather than spin.
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? We haven't got any details at all of what a single sale of one of these ELs permits. No mistakes have been corrected, I believe the scheme is still going on and we have no way of knowing if we should be opting out or not.
Yes the communication was bad and thanks for the apology for that, but the communication is still bad right now. Let save the praise for if/ when we are given any hard facts rather than spin.
True. We still do not know many details. For me it is quite clear: opt out. Thats it for me. But at least they are listening and giving the option to opt out...
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I dont understand a thing of that explanation about ELs. Its still very vague.
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I dont understand a thing of that explanation about ELs. Its still very vague.
Well, Marius told us more or less from what company the license had been sold. That is more than we, as RF contribs, generally get to know since the clients almost always remain anonymous. Furthermore we know the license and the terms. That is actually the usual amount of information. What is missing is through which partner etc.
In general "Partner Programs" seem to be a very critical point in Agency - Contrib relations and lead to many problems later. Lately we had lots of Conflicts here because of unclear relationships. I think Marius did what he could for now and we can opt out. Off course it would be necessary to know more about the Program in general since finally they sell our material, but I guess they have to do some homework within the Company itself. If not, everybody should draw its conclusions.
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I have seriously missed some posts on this thread then. Could you tell me what the nature of these specific use licenses is and what they permit? Or even a vague idea of what sort of company the partner is, apart from them having a website. Because I didn't pick any of that up at all.
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Haha, that's exactly like StockXpert who started selling EL's for sub prices, while they were in 5th position on the microstock poll result in 2009 I believe. I forgot what happened 3 or 4 months later.
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I dont understand a thing of that explanation about ELs. Its still very vague.
dito! Don't care much about DP anyway as sales are very low, if we don't get a better explanation it's easy for me to stop uploading.
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Marius, your coming on to explain and offer apologies and an opt out is very much appreciated. Since I am still not clear on the usage, I guess I will have to opt out.
If you could offer a more clear description of what this license permits then I might change my mind and opt in later.
Again, thank you for the improved communication. :)
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I have sent them a email asking for the exact details of this license, once I hear back I will repost here. At the moment, I am seeing it as an unfavourable option. This allows them to buy a cheaper EL, provided that it is for one use. Lets say they want to sell tshirts with one of our images. A white tshirt only could use the cheaper EL, but if you want to have white, yellow and blue tshirts with our image, then you need to buy a more expensive EL. My summary here is just speculation, based on the rather vague response of DP.
I think this is just a move to lower prices further.
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I emailed them to remove my photos from partner sites and to opt out of the EL option, but no reply back yet
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If you are genuinely interested in opening up the lines of communication you need to actually give us an idea of what you are doing. I am finding your responses really evasive so far.
I am sorry to try and pin you down like this, but this is an ongoing issue and we need to know whether to withdraw our images.
I understand your point that with this information you will not decide to refrain from opting out. Iīm afraid though that I canīt give you more detailed information.
That will not be the answer you want to hear, and Iīm not happy about it myself, as of course I would love to have all of you staying in the current way, but I can not say more about the feature. If the explanations given are not enough, then - as much as I hate to say it - you will have to opt out of partner program sales.
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If you are genuinely interested in opening up the lines of communication you need to actually give us an idea of what you are doing. I am finding your responses really evasive so far.
I am sorry to try and pin you down like this, but this is an ongoing issue and we need to know whether to withdraw our images.
I understand your point that with this information you will not decide to refrain from opting out. Iīm afraid though that I canīt give you more detailed information.
That will not be the answer you want to hear, and Iīm not happy about it myself, as of course I would love to have all of you staying in the current way, but I can not say more about the feature. If the explanations given are not enough, then - as much as I hate to say it - you will have to opt out of partner program sales.
Thanks for the honest reply Marius and for jumping in the thread to clear things up and provide a little more info on the situation.
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I understand your point that with this information you will not decide to refrain from opting out. Iīm afraid though that I canīt give you more detailed information.
That will not be the answer you want to hear, and Iīm not happy about it myself, as of course I would love to have all of you staying in the current way, but I can not say more about the feature. If the explanations given are not enough, then - as much as I hate to say it - you will have to opt out of partner program sales.
Fair enough, that only option is to opt out then.
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Ok i will opt out also.
Depositphotos, I'm always waiting your answer for opt out in subs who are incredibly low, 30c $ is simply nothing, in Euro it's empty space, do you think our works is so crappy???? Really?? Fotolia was the worst before you come, are you satisfied with your new position of the stingiest agency in the world?
I've started to send my new files at only 4mpx, soon i will ask you again to delete all my other files at 12-21mpx.
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.....do you think our works is so crappy???? .....
I must admit that this is one of the reasons I was being so pushy about getting the details of the special licenses.
As well as necessary info. for this specific instance when deciding to opt into an initiative it also helps to inform an opinion of the agency generally by showing how much they value our work (or not). If they were selling licenses for unlimited prints on demand or template generation for a few bucks it shows they can't be trusted to have my work, there is too much of a disconnect between how much I value it and how much they value it.
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Ok i will opt out also.
Depositphotos, I'm always waiting your answer for opt out in subs who are incredibly low, 30c $ is simply nothing, in Euro it's empty space, do you think our works is so crappy???? Really?? Fotolia was the worst before you come, are you satisfied with your new position of the stingiest agency in the world?
I've started to send my new files at only 4mpx, soon i will ask you again to delete all my other files at 12-21mpx.
I agree that 30 cents is nothing, its 23 euro cents, but SS commission is 25 $ cents, which is 19 euro cents. So at least DP is paying more than SS. But on SS I sell 30 x more than on DP
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You can not compare SS who includes also "on demand downloads" "single download" and sell pretty well El at 28$ with Depositphotos with its so depressing low subs.
One agency started from subs and has added some creative licenses, the other start with subs and nothing more, nothing exciting...not even the commissions. So, why the creativity has to be only on the photographer side?? And for peanuts???
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You can not compare SS who includes also "on demand downloads" "single download" and sell pretty well El at 28$ with Depositphotos with its so depressing low subs.
One agency started from subs and has added some creative licenses, the other start with subs and nothing more, nothing exciting...not even the commissions. So, why the creativity has to be only on the photographer side?? And for peanuts???
Yes, I can compare subs with subs... thats all I did.
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No response from my email request to DP this morning. Im getting very wary now of whether i should be uploading
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DP has been notorious for using price to beat the competition. Instead of upping their prices to buyers, creating licenses that add greater value for the customer and generating the perception of enhanced value-to-price relationship, they take the rookie route.
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This is what we really need. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away scotfree ;D
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This is what we really need. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url]) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away WITH NOTHING ;D
Just sayin.
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This is what we really need. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url]) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away WITH NOTHING ;D
Just sayin.
New agencies will start up and we will keep selling...
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This is what we really need. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url]) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away WITH NOTHING ;D
Just sayin.
New agencies will start up and we will keep selling...
You aren't serious I am assuming?
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This is what we really need. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url]) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away WITH NOTHING ;D
Just sayin.
New agencies will start up and we will keep selling...
You aren't serious I am assuming?
LOL you're the one taking my initial comment serious 8)
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I have finally got an answer from DP about this cheap EL. Im not going to release what i know publically. However, if anyone really wants to know then either email them or pm me.
Mark
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I have finally got an answer from DP about this cheap EL. Im not going to release what i know publically. However, if anyone really wants to know then either email them or pm me.
Mark
You don't have to, the only thing we need to know is if you're opting in or out ;)
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Im out as far as the partner EL has gone. Ive just emailed them back asking for my 42$ and for them to close my account. I have lost all trust and faith in DP
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Im out as far as the partner EL has gone. Ive just emailed them back asking for my 42$ and for them to close my account. I have lost all trust and faith in DP
Says enough, thanks.
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..... I have lost all trust and faith in DP
i agree with you 100%. the biggest mistake of my microstock life so far is actually joining DP.
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I've got an email today that my account has been deleted on DP.
Thank you all for sharing this Partner EL issue here.
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I got a reply that the partner program has been disabled and apologies for lack of communication.
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I got a reply that the partner program has been disabled and apologies for lack of communication.
Did you request that your images are opted out or is the entire partner program for all contributors terminated?
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This is what we really need. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url]) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away WITH NOTHING ;D
Just sayin.
New agencies will start up and we will keep selling...
You aren't serious I am assuming?
LOL you're the one taking my initial comment serious 8)
Not your initial comment, your last comment...."new agencies will start up and we will keep selling..." That is a pretty funny statement indeed.
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This is what we really need. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url]) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away WITH NOTHING ;D
Just sayin.
New agencies will start up and we will keep selling...
You aren't serious I am assuming?
LOL you're the one taking my initial comment serious 8)
I think it's clear that you meant it.
Whatever floats your boat, what ever floats your boat, Mantis
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I got a reply that the partner program has been disabled and apologies for lack of communication.
Did you request that your images are opted out or is the entire partner program for all contributors terminated?
It sounds to me like the whole program has been disable. I requested my photos be opt out of the PP- EL program and this is what they emailed back:
"The EL Partner Program has been disabled.
Should you have any further questions or require any assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us."
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I got a reply that the partner program has been disabled and apologies for lack of communication.
Did you request that your images are opted out or is the entire partner program for all contributors terminated?
It sounds to me like the whole program has been disable. I requested my photos be opt out of the PP- EL program and this is what they emailed back:
"The EL Partner Program has been disabled.
Should you have any further questions or require any assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us."
That would be great! Thanks.
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It sounds to me like the whole program has been disable. I requested my photos be opt out of the PP- EL program and this is what they emailed back:
"The EL Partner Program has been disabled.
Should you have any further questions or require any assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us."
Oh, this is something new. My e-mail from yesterday just said I was opted out.
Glad they have rethought this one.
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I got a reply that the partner program has been disabled and apologies for lack of communication.
Did you request that your images are opted out or is the entire partner program for all contributors terminated?
I requested to be opted out of the ELs and all photos removed from the unknown partner site. And the reply was, the partner program has been disabled.
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This is what we really need. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url]) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away WITH NOTHING ;D
Just sayin.
New agencies will start up and we will keep selling...
You aren't serious I am assuming?
LOL you're the one taking my initial comment serious 8)
I think it's clear that you meant it.
Whatever floats your boat, what ever floats your boat, Mantis
The truth hurts doesn't it?
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Sure
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This is what we really need. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url]) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away WITH NOTHING ;D
Just sayin.
New agencies will start up and we will keep selling...
You aren't serious I am assuming?
LOL you're the one taking my initial comment serious 8)
I think it's clear that you meant it.
Whatever floats your boat, what ever floats your boat, Mantis
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Wow. This thread has really deteriorated. I expect the next comments in this ongoing feud to be along the lines of:
"I'm rubber, you're glue", or "I know you are, but what am I?"
Is this a kindergarten playground or a discussion forum? ::)
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Its everything you want it to be
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This is what we really need. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url]) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away WITH NOTHING ;D
Just sayin.
New agencies will start up and we will keep selling...
You aren't serious I am assuming?
LOL you're the one taking my initial comment serious 8)
I think it's clear that you meant it.
Whatever floats your boat, what ever floats your boat, Mantis
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Wow. This thread has really deteriorated. I expect the next comments in this ongoing feud to be along the lines of:
"I'm rubber, you're glue", or "I know you are, but what am I?"
Is this a kindergarten playground or a discussion forum? ::)
I might be new here but I fully agree. Its like watching Pinky and Perky on the TV ::)
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Well I am happy that the grown ups are enjoying the banter between Mantis and me.
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It sounds to me like the whole program has been disable. I requested my photos be opt out of the PP- EL program and this is what they emailed back:
"The EL Partner Program has been disabled.
Should you have any further questions or require any assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us."
Sorry for the mixup. That must have been unfortunate wording. Not the whole program has been disabled. Only for one contributor.
The program is active and will not be closed.
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Indeed, my reply was:
the option has been successfully blocked.
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It sounds to me like the whole program has been disable. I requested my photos be opt out of the PP- EL program and this is what they emailed back:
"The EL Partner Program has been disabled.
Should you have any further questions or require any assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us."
Sorry for the mixup. That must have been unfortunate wording. Not the whole program has been disabled. Only for one contributor.
The program is active and will not be closed.
It seems you keep messing things up. Lack of communication and now misinformation.
Also after all the complaints from your contributors you keep selling photos at a low price. Your whole apology here was a farce.
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It sounds to me like the whole program has been disable. I requested my photos be opt out of the PP- EL program and this is what they emailed back:
"The EL Partner Program has been disabled.
Should you have any further questions or require any assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us."
Sorry for the mixup. That must have been unfortunate wording. Not the whole program has been disabled. Only for one contributor.
The program is active and will not be closed.
Wow! talk about word manipulation! with the intent of misinforming... NO MORE SOUP FOR YOU...
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I took down my portfolio at DP. I just looked at my best seller and compared the income versus the # of downloads .. it's not worth it. Maybe later I'll upload the same images at lower resolution.
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Am I correct in remembering that FT reduced royalties for those who were on DP? Do correct me if I'm wrong.
If that's right then I wonder if those who are pulling their ports should let FT know to get their royalties restored to normal. I was never on DP myself, so I can't test the waters on this.
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Am I correct in remembering that FT reduced royalties for those who were on DP? Do correct me if I'm wrong.
If that's right then I wonder if those who are pulling their ports should let FT know to get their royalties restored to normal. I was never on DP myself, so I can't test the waters on this.
I think that was threatened, but DP raised prices sufficiently that Fotolia did not end up following through on that. Thank goodness.
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Ah! OK. I didn't realise that had reached a happier outcome. Sorry for disturbing this thread unnecessarily. Thanks for the correction, Lisa :D
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This is what we really need. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url]) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away WITH NOTHING ;D
Just sayin.
New agencies will start up and we will keep selling...
You aren't serious I am assuming?
LOL you're the one taking my initial comment serious 8)
I think it's clear that you meant it.
Whatever floats your boat, what ever floats your boat, Mantis
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Wow. This thread has really deteriorated. I expect the next comments in this ongoing feud to be along the lines of:
"I'm rubber, you're glue", or "I know you are, but what am I?"
Is this a kindergarten playground or a discussion forum? ::)
I might be new here but I fully agree. Its like watching Pinky and Perky on the TV ::)
The reality is that someone posted a reciprocal comment about me trying to make it look like I was the one who made a very stupid comment and, indeed, it was the other champ. I simply don't accept those kind of accusations and feel I needed to make my point. But I will now back off and move forward as I should. Happy posting.
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This is what we really need. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url]) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away WITH NOTHING ;D
Just sayin.
New agencies will start up and we will keep selling...
You aren't serious I am assuming?
LOL you're the one taking my initial comment serious 8)
I think it's clear that you meant it.
Whatever floats your boat, what ever floats your boat, Mantis
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Wow. This thread has really deteriorated. I expect the next comments in this ongoing feud to be along the lines of:
"I'm rubber, you're glue", or "I know you are, but what am I?"
Is this a kindergarten playground or a discussion forum? ::)
I might be new here but I fully agree. Its like watching Pinky and Perky on the TV ::)
The reality is that someone posted a reciprocal comment about me trying to make it look like I was the one who made a very stupid comment and, indeed, it was the other champ. I simply don't accept those kind of accusations and feel I needed to make my point. But I will now back off and move forward as I should. Happy posting.
Sorry guys for highjacking this thread. I have nothing to say, don't even contributing to DP but I found graphically the previous post very beautiful. I couldn't resist to see what happens with larger number of embedded quotes ;D
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This is what we really need. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url]) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away WITH NOTHING ;D
Just sayin.
New agencies will start up and we will keep selling...
You aren't serious I am assuming?
LOL you're the one taking my initial comment serious 8)
I think it's clear that you meant it.
Whatever floats your boat, what ever floats your boat, Mantis
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Wow. This thread has really deteriorated. I expect the next comments in this ongoing feud to be along the lines of:
"I'm rubber, you're glue", or "I know you are, but what am I?"
Is this a kindergarten playground or a discussion forum? ::)
I might be new here but I fully agree. Its like watching Pinky and Perky on the TV ::)
The reality is that someone posted a reciprocal comment about me trying to make it look like I was the one who made a very stupid comment and, indeed, it was the other champ. I simply don't accept those kind of accusations and feel I needed to make my point. But I will now back off and move forward as I should. Happy posting.
Sorry guys for highjacking this thread. I have nothing to say, don't even contributing to DP but I found graphically the previous post very beautiful. I couldn't resist to see what happens with larger number of embedded quotes ;D
+1 on that, I'm not reading the posts, just looking at the pretty pattern :)
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lol! indeed.
Mantis and Poncke, we've already had of a few trolls who were only here to start these kind of childish discussions, let us not take the same route guys, I know you're better then that.
Get it over with and continue discussing whats more important.
Have a great weekend all.
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lol! indeed.
Mantis and Poncke, we've already had of a few trolls who were only here to start these kind of childish discussions, let us not take the same route guys, I know you're better then that.
Get it over with and continue discussing whats more important.
Have a great weekend all.
I stopped posting in that quote 2 days ago?? I made a joke and someone took it for serious. Stop giving it attention yourself and it will all stop.
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And yet, YOU still here with explanations about the same topic!...give it a rest! or take it to the park children!
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And yet, YOU still here with explanations about the same topic!...give it a rest! or take it to the park children!
Of course, I gave it a rest, but it seems others feel the need to say something about it, including you now again, and then I feel the need to defend myself. But you are more than welcome to join me and the other kids in the park, bring your camera, you might get a few saleable shots out of it. I am sure a 120 kilo 6ft1 bearded long haired kid on a slide will have CV 8)
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Look, all we want to do is to get back into topic, you guys can PM or email back and forth and enjoy a good round of sarcasm and low blows with each other without the rest of us having to read or get involved in your own child like behavior...meanwhile, I'm sure the rest of us would like nothing better than talk about what we're going to do to put a stop to yet another agency that wants to screw us over...I hope you don't mind?... :o
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Am I correct in remembering that FT reduced royalties for those who were on DP? Do correct me if I'm wrong.
If that's right then I wonder if those who are pulling their ports should let FT know to get their royalties restored to normal. I was never on DP myself, so I can't test the waters on this.
I think that was threatened, but DP raised prices sufficiently that Fotolia did not end up following through on that. Thank goodness.
pot meet kettle
fotolia meet DP
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Am I correct in remembering that FT reduced royalties for those who were on DP? Do correct me if I'm wrong.
If that's right then I wonder if those who are pulling their ports should let FT know to get their royalties restored to normal. I was never on DP myself, so I can't test the waters on this.
I think that was threatened, but DP raised prices sufficiently that Fotolia did not end up following through on that. Thank goodness.
pot meet kettle
fotolia meet DP
It was all a bit twilight-zone, FL the champion of the contributor stopping the race to the bottom. Yeah right.
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I'm a n00b here and this is my first post so forgive me but I took a screengrab of that nested interchange, anonymised it, then applied a quick curves adjustment and sharpening and uploaded it to DP.
It sold instantly on an EL and earned me $2.78. My biggest sale so far. Expect to see it on tee shirts around the World soon.
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This is what we really need. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url]) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away WITH NOTHING ;D
Just sayin.
New agencies will start up and we will keep selling...
You aren't serious I am assuming?
LOL you're the one taking my initial comment serious 8)
I think it's clear that you meant it.
Whatever floats your boat, what ever floats your boat, Mantis
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Wow. This thread has really deteriorated. I expect the next comments in this ongoing feud to be along the lines of:
"I'm rubber, you're glue", or "I know you are, but what am I?"
Is this a kindergarten playground or a discussion forum? ::)
I might be new here but I fully agree. Its like watching Pinky and Perky on the TV ::)
The reality is that someone posted a reciprocal comment about me trying to make it look like I was the one who made a very stupid comment and, indeed, it was the other champ. I simply don't accept those kind of accusations and feel I needed to make my point. But I will now back off and move forward as I should. Happy posting.
Sorry guys for highjacking this thread. I have nothing to say, don't even contributing to DP but I found graphically the previous post very beautiful. I couldn't resist to see what happens with larger number of embedded quotes ;D
+1 on that, I'm not reading the posts, just looking at the pretty pattern :)
This nest is mesmerising :)
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This is what we really need. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing[/url]) 8)
And if the micros get caught, we walk away WITH NOTHING ;D
Just sayin.
New agencies will start up and we will keep selling...
You aren't serious I am assuming?
LOL you're the one taking my initial comment serious 8)
I think it's clear that you meant it.
Whatever floats your boat, what ever floats your boat, Mantis
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Wow. This thread has really deteriorated. I expect the next comments in this ongoing feud to be along the lines of:
"I'm rubber, you're glue", or "I know you are, but what am I?"
Is this a kindergarten playground or a discussion forum? ::)
I might be new here but I fully agree. Its like watching Pinky and Perky on the TV ::)
The reality is that someone posted a reciprocal comment about me trying to make it look like I was the one who made a very stupid comment and, indeed, it was the other champ. I simply don't accept those kind of accusations and feel I needed to make my point. But I will now back off and move forward as I should. Happy posting.
Sorry guys for highjacking this thread. I have nothing to say, don't even contributing to DP but I found graphically the previous post very beautiful. I couldn't resist to see what happens with larger number of embedded quotes ;D
+1 on that, I'm not reading the posts, just looking at the pretty pattern :)
This nest is mesmerising :)
"Verrrry interesting, but... stupid" Artie Johnson
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I just dragged this out of their terms of service
"Files available at the Site may be copied and used for private use by the User solely for non-commercial or educational purposes only. "
Im going to add this to my reasons not to upload anymore!
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I just dragged this out of their terms of service
"Files available at the Site may be copied and used for private use by the User solely for non-commercial or educational purposes only. "
Im going to add this to my reasons not to upload anymore!
Wow that is shocking. Opens up all kinds of issues with people not knowing what counts as commercial
"I was only using it on my personal blog, not commercially, but yeah of course it has Google ads on it, why not!"
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I just dragged this out of their terms of service
"Files available at the Site may be copied and used for private use by the User solely for non-commercial or educational purposes only. "
Im going to add this to my reasons not to upload anymore!
This however is not unusual. Even existed back in the old trad agencies days.