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ShadySue

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« Reply #50 on: September 09, 2012, 16:49 »
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And not a single top photographer limits their business to just the top 4, like you would probably suggest we all should. Wonder why that is...

You don't rate e.g. LiseGagne and SuperSean, who limit their business to just one of the top 4, as among the top photographers? Apart from anything else, being lone wolves must put them up there, hardly comparable with the factories, no matter how impressive. In fact, these are two of the 'single photographers'. Many of the other high sellers in the micros are not, so don't count in your equation.


Batman

« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2012, 19:02 »
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I you said I was flat out wrong, you didn't say why. Highest commissions from small companies?!? Name 1, for photos of course. And that has the volume as well, or else even a 10$ RPD doesn't help much (which you don't get anyway). You say gross generilazations based on my opinion, but what are you basing your post on?

Sure the small companies make better pricing. For the buyers ;)

Be specific, tell something, don't just talk for talk's sake

I can't comment specifically on photo sales as I'm not a photographer, but here's what I'm talking about (and most of these sites sell photos as well as vectors):

StockFresh. $10 vector sales, $5 in my pocket for each one, over $100 per month total earnings.

GL. $6-$15 vector pricing (set by contributor, option to set it higher). $3.60 - $7.80 per sale, good sales volume.

GraphicRiver. 33% royalty (not great but more than double what istock will be paying me next year). 2nd highest earner last month in total earnings for me, behind SS, out of 20 sites I sell at.

Unnamed site (I'm not giving away any secrets), it's not even on the poll list. Over $3,000 in earnings there so far this year.

Veer. I saw a ton of $7 royalties last month, a good number of $2-$5 royalties. Significant growth in the last few months. Veer will probably move ahead of DT on my list soon.

My earnings from middle and low tier sites last month represented 30% of my total.

These sites are far from bottom feeders. They pay no worse than the worst of the top 4, percentage wise and in some cases in total earnings for me. And I sure as heck wouldn't want to do without the 30% of my income that comes from the small sites.

You can hate on small sites for whatever reason. And I'm not interested in convincing anyone that they should participate in them. But I'm not ok with anyone making these general claims about all small site based on your opinion of how a few of the bad ones operate. These sites are important, and I think it's reckless and damaging to the industry to discourage people from looking into them because you say they all pay poorly.

How about you let people decide for themselves? Why try to discourage people from trying smaller sites that, in some cases and contrary to your generalization, do pay well, do offer good deals for contributors, and do not contribute to this "race to the bottom" you're so concerned with?

And since we're being "specific" as you asked, how about you be specific about which sites you think are bad for the business, and why.

You see. I stopped reading right after you said you weren't a tog. Irrelevant info for me ;)

Me to don't forget ppl warned that DP would be just like the rest once they had the pictures and had the suckers hooked. Pay the monkeys with peanuts and they will keep coming back. That's the little sites and DP always competes on price, they had to stop losing money and start taking advantage of the togs and drawers.

EmberMike

« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2012, 19:52 »
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You don't rate e.g. LiseGagne and SuperSean, who limit their business to just one of the top 4, as among the top photographers? Apart from anything else, being lone wolves must put them up there, hardly comparable with the factories, no matter how impressive. In fact, these are two of the 'single photographers'. Many of the other high sellers in the micros are not, so don't count in your equation.

Oh please. You know what the discussion is about. Don't even try to suggest that I was slighting them in any way.

Paulo M. F. Pires

  • "No Gods No Masters"
« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2012, 05:30 »
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Update from DP support:

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The images were downloaded under the Extended License.
We have finally integrated the option to make the Images under Extended License unavailable for the Partner sales.
So please let me know if you want to disable the option - Partner Sales.

2,64$ for an EL, even been sold trough PP? No, Thanks.

I would suggest that we should all send an email to disable these type of license trough PP.  Who knows if they change their mind..

« Reply #54 on: September 10, 2012, 07:43 »
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I sent a message to DP and asked them to either pull my images off of partner sales or disable all EL sales to stop this from happening. They pulled my port away from partner sales. If enough people do this the message will sink in!

In them selling my images for 18 months im up to 40$ so i can take it or leave it with them.

I also told them the reason why! That i had heard of the 6-7$ EL comission.

« Reply #55 on: September 10, 2012, 07:46 »
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After my message saying I want them to delete my portfolio because subs prices are by far to low , they ask me not to be angry and they will talk with the manager to see if opt out is possible.
They will answer asap.
Wait and see...

« Reply #56 on: September 10, 2012, 08:31 »
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Opt out on subs is a great option. However, without subs on that site i think the number of sales would be too low.

« Reply #57 on: September 10, 2012, 09:29 »
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i must say that i'm little surprised that stock top contributors are not commenting on this one. when the issue of Veer decide to put their collection on Alamy everyone was jumping up and down.

can i then assume that top contributors are making good money on DP that they don't even care that their files sold under extended license are for less than $10?

i might be a small fish in the pond but extend license for less than $10 is not on. i have emailed them to opt out partner EL.

lisafx

« Reply #58 on: September 10, 2012, 10:35 »
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Maybe the top contributors are busy writing to get clarification and opt out, rather than commenting?  Not sure.  It's only Monday.  Not everybody is around all weekend keeping up with everything that's going on. 

Poncke

« Reply #59 on: September 10, 2012, 12:44 »
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I have emailed them just now to opt out of the PP EL sales. I am a small fish, but every email counts, I guess.

« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2012, 12:56 »
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I deactivated my images there after the last payment. Really don't like the way they do things!

« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2012, 13:39 »
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I also send an email asking to opt out of the partner program.  Who do they partner with anyway?  Any one know? 

« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2012, 14:41 »
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I've sent an email to ask them to close my account and to remove all my images from DP and their partners.
I'm a small fish.

« Reply #63 on: September 10, 2012, 14:44 »
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I'm a small fish.

You type very well for a fish, small or otherwise.

« Reply #64 on: September 10, 2012, 14:57 »
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Quote from: mayaartist on Today at 14:41

I'm a small fish.

You type very well for a fish, small or otherwise.

Hi gostwyck,

I'm sorry but I don't understand what I did wrong?

P.S. Sorry, English is not my native language.

« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2012, 15:53 »
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Small fish here too, have emailed and asked to be opted out from EL partner program

« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2012, 17:27 »
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Quote from: mayaartist on Today at 14:41

I'm a small fish.

You type very well for a fish, small or otherwise.

Hi gostwyck,

I'm sorry but I don't understand what I did wrong?

P.S. Sorry, English is not my native language.

You didn't do anything wrong. I think he was just making a joke.

« Reply #67 on: September 10, 2012, 17:59 »
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Now they have had a few emails asking about opting out on partner program it might actually have an effect.

« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2012, 18:09 »
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Quote from: mayaartist on Today at 14:41

I'm a small fish.

You type very well for a fish, small or otherwise.

Hi gostwyck,

I'm sorry but I don't understand what I did wrong?

P.S. Sorry, English is not my native language.

You didn't do anything wrong. I think he was just making a joke.

Guilty as charged. I was replying to your statement 'literally' for comedic effect. I guess it loses something in translation.

« Reply #69 on: September 10, 2012, 18:59 »
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Thanks for the heads up, I just contacted them and asked to have my images removed from the PP, and also to remove the EL option.

« Reply #70 on: September 11, 2012, 03:28 »
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Hello everyone,

sorry that i only now come here to give a statement.

Well, there is no way around it they way this feature has been introduced has been a mistake from our side. There was no communication to the contributors before it went ahead and that is not the kind of transparency and level of communication we want to provide.

We also have to admit to miscommunication inside the company as not everyone was informed this feature would already go live without informing contributors beforehand.

We then wanted to quickly present a one click solution with which every contributor could have unsubscribed from this feature by themselves quickly.  As this proved tricky to do quickly and save, we have then decided to do it on demand as soon as a contributor contacts their personal contact person or send an email to
[email protected].

The feature is right now limited to one project and one license type. It is limited to a special use of extended license that would not have attracted the partner paying the full extended license as they only need it for a very specific use. It is not offering extended licenses generally to lower prices, but subject to specific use.

I understand, if you do not want to offer your files for this feature and a quick mail to us will unsubscribe you from the feature.

This lack of communication has been a dear lesson to us and we will learn from it and will make sure that this will not happen again. Changes of this magnitude will have to go through all company levels before executed to make sure the information towards our contributors is clear and direct and most important happens before the launch of any new feature.

I will try to show good presence in this thread from now on and answer any upcoming questions.

Microbius

« Reply #71 on: September 11, 2012, 03:46 »
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What are these "specific uses"? We need to know so we can decide if it acceptable to sell a license for the use for a couple of dollars a shot.

« Reply #72 on: September 11, 2012, 03:54 »
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Hi,

Thanks cclapper and gostwyck.
I like jokes to be honest.

I'm sorry for misunderstanding.




« Reply #73 on: September 11, 2012, 04:09 »
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What are these "specific uses"? We need to know so we can decide if it acceptable to sell a license for the use for a couple of dollars a shot.

Well, it is for online use which would be - if used single - a standard license. Only as part of the bigger project it is used for, it has to be considered extended license.

Microbius

« Reply #74 on: September 11, 2012, 05:56 »
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Some details please? "It is on the web" doesn't really explain what the use is.


 

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