Author Topic: Vistaprint and Depositphotos changes (Read 13336 times)

total · « **on:** October 28, 2021, 03:01 »

Hello,
I just find out that Depositphotos is owned by Vistaprint now.
Does anyone know how will this affect contributors?
Depositphotos payments came always from USA, will this continue, or earnings will come from another country?
Has anybody more info about these changes?

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #1 on:** October 28, 2021, 03:37 »

No one can say. Depositphotos is now owned by Vistaprint which is a "Dutch" but really owned by an "Irish" company, the speech marks because all of them are acually owned by a US company domiciled in Ireland for tax purposes.

Depositphotos was always a Russian company run from a letterbox in Florida anyways.

total · « **Reply #2 on:** October 28, 2021, 05:17 »

thanks

Artist · « **Reply #3 on:** October 28, 2021, 05:20 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on October 28, 2021, 03:37

No one can say. Depositphotos is now owned by Vistaprint which is a "Dutch" but really owned by an "Irish" company, the speech marks because all of them are acually owned by a US company domiciled in Ireland for tax purposes.

Depositphotos was always a Russian company run from a letterbox in Florida anyways.

Now that's globalization

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #4 on:** October 28, 2021, 11:15 »

At the end of the email it says that personal data will be shared with and processed by Cimpress plc

https://cimpress.com/

This is the group that owns VistaPrint. Not sure what their statement about who they are really means, but it says:

"Cimpress plc (Nasdaq: CMPR) invests in and builds customer-focused, entrepreneurial, mass-customization businesses for the long term. Mass customization is a competitive strategy which seeks to produce goods and services to meet individual customer needs with near mass production efficiency. "

Here is their press release about the acquisition

https://ir.cimpress.com/news-releases/news-release-details/vistaprint-evolves-full-service-design-digital-and-print-partner

From their Q1 2022 results, posted October 27, here's a quote about how they see Deposit Photos fitting in to their plans:

"Made important strides toward delivering full-spectrum design capabilities and improving our digital relevance through continued integration of and investment in 99designs by Vista, expansion of our design help services, the signing of our strategic partnership with Wix for digital presence and commerce enablement, and the acquisition of Depositphotos and its subsidiary Crello that closed on October 1, 2021. This acquisition brings content and tools that enable businesses to create DIY designs for social media, which we have rebranded VistaCreate at vista.com/create. Strengthening our capabilities in these areas will allow us to provide a broader range of design services and digital capabilities that our customers want, but importantly also support the growth of our printed marketing products, signage, apparel and packaging, and opens up the opportunity to introduce subscription offerings packed with value for our customers. "

Everyone wants to be Canva

ArenaCreative · « **Reply #5 on:** January 19, 2022, 22:25 »

Anyone else have Depositphotos demanding an updated tax document from them suddenly? I had to resubmit an updated scan of drivers license, and put the EIN number under the social spot on the form - they wouldn't accept it the other way. No clue why.

merrillie · « **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2022, 04:49 »

I have only just noticed my photos appearing in VistaCreate previously known as Crello and after a bit of searching discovered they were now part of the same company as Depositphotos.

https://create.vista.com/unlimited/stock-photos/381365126/stock-photo-capturing-sunrise-woy-woy-waterfront/

I have sent Depositphotos an email asking:

I have noticed my photos in VistaCreate and after some searching have discovered they are part of the parent company along with Depositphotos.

Are we being paid for any images used in VistaCreate and how much?

If you could get back to me with an answer please that would be great.

I notice is has:
Free for use in the editor and download.

Free for personal and commercial purposes with attribution. More info

Attribution after download is required. How to attribute

ps VistaCreate is based in the Ukraine

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #7 on:** June 22, 2022, 06:41 »

Some images have a diamond in the corner and say

"Unlock millions of creative assets with Pro

Download from 70M+ creative assets"

I assume that your work will be under that section and you will get the same as under the unlimited subs scheme DP bought in (if you signed up for that, which I for one absolutely did not).

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #8 on:** June 22, 2022, 06:45 »

Is it one of your own photos that says it's free for commercial use? I noticed there are several very similar ones to the one you linked, some free some "premium"

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #9 on:** June 22, 2022, 11:33 »

Photo Capturing the sunrise from Woy Woy Waterfront on the Central Coast, NSW, Australia. created by Merrillie

Must use link and attribute.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #10 on:** June 22, 2022, 11:57 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on June 22, 2022, 11:33

Photo Capturing the sunrise from Woy Woy Waterfront on the Central Coast, NSW, Australia. created by Merrillie

Must use link and attribute.

Is that yours? I'm wondering if any contributors images are ending up in the free section or if they all go to the "premium" (using the term loosely) section.

merrillie · « **Reply #11 on:** June 22, 2022, 22:22 »

They responded in a timely manner.

"Thank you very much for your email and question.

You are correct since VistaCreate and Depositphotos are the parts of one company, the Cimpress group. The images uploaded to Depositphotos that are present at VistaCreate at the same time are the ones that participate in the Revenue Share Model (RSM) program of Depositphotos. It’s possible only if a customer provided his agreement to join the RSM program - which was received via email; we’ve implemented the appropriate emailing about a year ago.

Indeed, a contributor gets paid if their files are licensed at VistaCreate (via its subscription plans), within the named RSM program. Let me kindly remind you that the earnings under this program are based on the revenue share method, with 40% for contributors and 60% withheld by Depositphotos.

With this, I see that, at the moment, your files are not supposed to be included in an RSM program and, thus, can’t be shown and sold at VistaCreate - as back then, you’ve sent a request to exclude your portfolio from the RSM program. However, if you see any of your images at VistaCreate, please let me know so I can check them out.

I hope to have been helpful and wish you a good day."

merrillie · « **Reply #12 on:** June 22, 2022, 22:40 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 22, 2022, 11:57

Quote from: Uncle Pete on June 22, 2022, 11:33
Photo Capturing the sunrise from Woy Woy Waterfront on the Central Coast, NSW, Australia. created by Merrillie

Must use link and attribute.
Is that yours? I'm wondering if any contributors images are ending up in the free section or if they all go to the "premium" (using the term loosely) section.

Yes it is mine and many others are mine, none with diamonds. I am also not suppose to be in the RSM program so chasing it up.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #13 on:** June 23, 2022, 02:41 »

Quote from: merrillie on June 22, 2022, 22:40

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 22, 2022, 11:57
Quote from: Uncle Pete on June 22, 2022, 11:33
Photo Capturing the sunrise from Woy Woy Waterfront on the Central Coast, NSW, Australia. created by Merrillie

Must use link and attribute.
Is that yours? I'm wondering if any contributors images are ending up in the free section or if they all go to the "premium" (using the term loosely) section.

Yes it is mine and many others are mine, none with diamonds. I am also not suppose to be in the RSM program so chasing it up.

Wow that's so bad. In or out of RSM they shouldn't be on there for free. Everyone needs to check to make sure they aren't in the same boat.

Firn · « **Reply #14 on:** June 23, 2022, 03:00 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 23, 2022, 02:41

In or out of RSM they shouldn't be on there for free.

But that's kind of what the RSM program is for? For shared revenue where customer's don't buy single images, but special program packs, so for programs that don't have single "sales" where a contributor could get a shared profit form a single image purchase. With VistaCreate cusomers can buy a package for 10€/month and all the money goes into a pot and everyone who agreed to the RSM program will get a tiny share of it.
Is it bad? Of course! But everyone who agreed to the RSM program should know that such deals are exactly what they signed up for. It's exactly the use I anticipated, thus didn't sign up for this. What else would it be? If it involved image sales of your images, a RSM wouldn't even be necessary as your profit could be calculated based on your sales.
(Of course, if someone didn't agree to this program, but still has his images up there, that's a whole other story)

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #15 on:** June 23, 2022, 03:50 »

Quote from: Firn on June 23, 2022, 03:00

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 23, 2022, 02:41

In or out of RSM they shouldn't be on there for free.

But that's kind of what the RSM program is for? For shared revenue where customer's don't buy single images, but special program packs, so for programs that don't have single "sales" where a contributor could get a shared profit form a single image purchase. With VistaCreate cusomers can buy a package for 10€/month and all the money goes into a pot and everyone who agreed to the RSM program will get a tiny share of it.
Is it bad? Of course! But everyone who agreed to the RSM program should know that such deals are exactly what they signed up for. It's exactly the use I anticipated, thus didn't sign up for this. What else would it be? If it involved image sales of your images, a RSM wouldn't even be necessary as your profit could be calculated based on your sales.
(Of course, if someone didn't agree to this program, but still has his images up there, that's a whole other story)

The free ones on the site are free for everyone, not just subscribers, there wont be any payment for these. There has been a mistake somewhere, RSM images shouldn't be on as completely free, but available with the subscription ("premium"). It looks like this is the case for most of the images on the site and how it works with all the other similar unlimited DL schemes (e.g. Freepik or even Canva).

It is an admin mistake on DPs part.

Firn · « **Reply #16 on:** June 23, 2022, 04:02 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 23, 2022, 03:50

The free ones on the site are free for everyone, not just subscribers, there wont be any payment for these.

I completely understand that there are images that are for free. It doesn't mean you won't get paid as part of the program. You just don't get paid for "downloads", that's the whole point of the program. It doens't matter whether a person downloads an image with the 10€ plan or for free - you won't get any money for that particular sale in either way. What you get is a tiny share of all the 10€ plans purchased if you joined the program.
By joining the RSM program you relinquish your right to be paid per downloaded image. You get paid a share of the profit from such programs.
I am not sure I am explaining myself well here. Maybe someone else whos native language is English can do it better.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #17 on:** June 23, 2022, 09:14 »

Quote from: Firn on June 23, 2022, 04:02

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 23, 2022, 03:50

The free ones on the site are free for everyone, not just subscribers, there wont be any payment for these.

I completely understand that there are images that are for free. It doesn't mean you won't get paid as part of the program. You just don't get paid for "downloads", that's the whole point of the program. It doens't matter whether a person downloads an image with the 10€ plan or for free - you won't get any money for that particular sale in either way. What you get is a tiny share of all the 10€ plans purchased if you joined the program.
By joining the RSM program you relinquish your right to be paid per downloaded image. You get paid a share of the profit from such programs.
I am not sure I am explaining myself well here. Maybe someone else whos native language is English can do it better.

You absolutely are explaining yourself very well, I understand what you are saying.

I just don't think that is what is happening here. I mean it could be, but if so everyone involved should be furious.

The free image people because their work is being given away without their express permission (the RSM was sold as an unlimited DL subs plan where they get a revenue split, not a completely free give away) and the "premium" people should be furious because the free content will be taking almost all of their income (as the the income is calculated by splinting a percentage of the sub payment based on number of DLs, and the free content will be getting many, many more DLs than the premium subs content).

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #18 on:** June 23, 2022, 09:17 »

Just reread the response and it even explicitly states “Indeed, a contributor gets paid if their files are licensed at VistaCreate (via its subscription plans), within the named RSM program.”

So work should only be there under the premium (subs) content, not the free section. Merrillie’s work shouldn’t even be there at all as they (wisely) opted out.

emjaysmith · « **Reply #19 on:** June 23, 2022, 11:47 »

I have just sent another email to them to try and get my images removed from the free use section, they haven't responded to my previous email.
I never opted in to the share scheme.

Firn · « **Reply #20 on:** June 24, 2022, 03:57 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 23, 2022, 09:17

Just reread the response and it even explicitly states “Indeed, a contributor gets paid if their files are licensed at VistaCreate (via its subscription plans), within the named RSM program.”

So work should only be there under the premium (subs) content, not the free section. Merrillie’s work shouldn’t even be there at all as they (wisely) opted out.

Okay, so maybe I was wrong about my assumption that you don't get paid for individual sales as part of the RSM program and just got a share - But if this statement is correct and you get paid if your files are licensed at VistaCreate, you should get paid for the free downloads just the same as the condition is "licensed", not "paid for".

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #21 on:** June 24, 2022, 04:06 »

Quote from: Firn on June 24, 2022, 03:57

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 23, 2022, 09:17
Just reread the response and it even explicitly states “Indeed, a contributor gets paid if their files are licensed at VistaCreate (via its subscription plans), within the named RSM program.”

So work should only be there under the premium (subs) content, not the free section. Merrillie’s work shouldn’t even be there at all as they (wisely) opted out.

Okay, so maybe I was wrong about my assumption that you don't get paid for individual sales as part of the RSM program and just got a share - But if this statement is correct and you get paid if your files are licensed at VistaCreate, you should get paid for the free downloads just the same as the condition is "licensed", not "paid for".

You could be 100% correct. I just hope not for the sake of the people in any way involved (images fr free or sub) as they are all getting scr*wed for the reasons I outlined.

Either way the people on there for free who didn't even sign up for RSM need their work removed and to be paid for all the DLs arising from the mistake.

Firn · « **Reply #22 on:** June 24, 2022, 04:40 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 24, 2022, 04:06

Either way the people on there for free who didn't even sign up for RSM need their work removed and to be paid for all the DLs arising from the mistake.

Of course!

And please don't get me wrong, I was not trying to defend the RSM system. I think this RSM is a total rip-off. The lowest of the low of microstock. (Okay, maybe the "give us free content for exposure!"-thing is even worse) But maybe people who did sign up need to be made more aware of what they signed up for. Becaus with a RSM the more images are downloaded as part of a RSM program, the lower the individual share of the revenue every contributor gets. And if there are free downloads in the mix it means A LOT more downloads, but the revenue pool doesn't get bigger by these downloads. It's such a rip-off, because the agency will always take the same % share out of the whole pool, but the contributors have to share the rest with all other contributors, so Depositohotos always gets the same profit, contributors get less the more content is downloaded.

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