Quote from: CoisaX on October 26, 2011, 18:26

Quote from: luissantos84 on October 26, 2011, 18:00
thats microstock and it happens on the top5 agencies

SS - 25 to 38
IS - 28 (thinkstock non-exclusive)
DT - 35 to 70, dont know if more never had
RF - 36
FT - 25 to 40

FT at 0.25? last subs i'm getting 0.20.

thats a XS

Dreamstime pays $1.05 for the level 5 subs.  As per the above comment, though, you can get less than those amounts. 

What is crazy is that as low as the sub prices are most sites will pay even less for a small or extra-small size credit download:

RF: $0.20
FT: $0.20
DT: $0.25-ish
SS: $0.81 (is that right?  I've never received less)
IS: ??

When you look at it this way it kind of makes the actual claimed royalty percentage almost meaningless

had a few 7 cents at IS

Quote from: Megastock on October 26, 2011, 21:15Dreamstime pays $1.05 for the level 5 subs.

I just had one a few hours ago of 1.26$ (level 5, exclusive). Many of my level 4-5's are exclusive. (I started a thread on the DT forum some time ago as to why it pays off to make your level 4-5's exclusive there if (and only if) they don't sell well elsewhere). For instance yesterday: Editorial, exclusive : 17 credits (2010) $9.35 = 55% but I had cases of 60% too.

In all these subs discussions there is an elephant in the room as to DT. The elephant is the level system. This is quite unique in the microstock world (as far as I'm aware). In fact, it is a Darwinian "Vetta", determined by sales on an image per image base, not by some editor's decision. On other sites, you'll just have to live with subs and hope for PP sales that deliver the largest share of our revenue anywhere. On DT, a sub sale is a sale that makes the image also climb up on the level scale. Not to mention the recent introduction of the level 0 (still 1 credit to buy) that becomes level 1 (3 credits to buy) just after one single sale (included a subs sale).

So imho, the subs system on DT can't be compared with any subs system anywhere else. To address the concern of OP : DT seems to handle the subs temptation (for buyers) well, especially in view of the recent introduction of the 1-week subs plan. My subs are still around 50-60% but not increasing, and my RPD (I'm not an illustrator) has been around 1.5-1.6$ the past 3 months, more than before the 1-week subs plan.

Apparently DT runs a tight ship with 1 captain-photographer in control while other sites fell to the multi-headed "corporate" temptation, a temptation that brought us in the economic mess in the financial world we are currently in.

Quote from: AttilaTheNun on October 27, 2011, 05:10

Quote from: Megastock on October 26, 2011, 21:15Dreamstime pays $1.05 for the level 5 subs.

I just had one a few hours ago of 1.26$ (level 5, exclusive). Many of my level 4-5's are exclusive. (I started a thread on the DT forum some time ago as to why it pays off to make your level 4-5's exclusive there if (and only if) they don't sell well elsewhere). For instance yesterday: Editorial, exclusive : 17 credits (2010) $9.35 = 55% but I had cases of 60% too.

That's a good idea. Thank's for the tip and I agree the Level System at DT is excellent.

Quote from: AttilaTheNun on October 27, 2011, 05:10

Quote from: Megastock on October 26, 2011, 21:15Dreamstime pays $1.05 for the level 5 subs.

I just had one a few hours ago of 1.26$ (level 5, exclusive). Many of my level 4-5's are exclusive. (I started a thread on the DT forum some time ago as to why it pays off to make your level 4-5's exclusive there if (and only if) they don't sell well elsewhere). For instance yesterday: Editorial, exclusive : 17 credits (2010) $9.35 = 55% but I had cases of 60% too.

In all these subs discussions there is an elephant in the room as to DT. The elephant is the level system. This is quite unique in the microstock world (as far as I'm aware). In fact, it is a Darwinian "Vetta", determined by sales on an image per image base, not by some editor's decision. On other sites, you'll just have to live with subs and hope for PP sales that deliver the largest share of our revenue anywhere. On DT, a sub sale is a sale that makes the image also climb up on the level scale. Not to mention the recent introduction of the level 0 (still 1 credit to buy) that becomes level 1 (3 credits to buy) just after one single sale (included a subs sale).

So imho, the subs system on DT can't be compared with any subs system anywhere else. To address the concern of OP : DT seems to handle the subs temptation (for buyers) well, especially in view of the recent introduction of the 1-week subs plan. My subs are still around 50-60% but not increasing, and my RPD (I'm not an illustrator) has been around 1.5-1.6$ the past 3 months, more than before the 1-week subs plan.

Apparently DT runs a tight ship with 1 captain-photographer in control while other sites fell to the multi-headed "corporate" temptation, a temptation that brought us in the economic mess in the financial world we are currently in.

You can compare Dreamstime subs to other sites and I think you will find they pay a lot more due to the level system, as you suggest   On the 'exclusive' tab on the earnings page (http://www.dreamstime.com/exclusivity.php) it shows you your last 50 credit and sub sales, and makes it easy to see what you are actually getting from sub sales on DT.  Personally, I'm getting $0.61 per sub on average which handily beats any other site by almost double...  I didn't see a drop in RPD after the introduction of the weekly sub, either.

what is the "upload bonus"?

Quote from: madelaide on October 28, 2011, 21:42
what is the "upload bonus"?

If you go exclusive with dt, you get 20 cents for each accepted image and this bonus includes the images you already have online.

my average of the last 50 subsales at dt: 0,884 $
my average of the last 50 creditsales at dt: 7,651 $
my average of sales 2011 at dt: 2,76 $

So, for me the pricesystem at dt is the best of all microstockagencies.
They are solid and stabil for me since 2007.

And also very important for me is, I feel they are much more respectful and fair to the contributors than istock or fotolia.
For me dt is a fair businesspartner. Or better, they try really to be fair.

And also I don't understand why the majority like ss so much.
My average at ss is always under 60 cent.

When people buy my illustrations at ss, they buy the illustrations not at agencies who pay much more to me.
My totally average is something like 1,30 $.

And I hope the agencies see in future, that they can earn more money without subscriptions. 

Quote from: Megastock on October 28, 2011, 17:32You can compare Dreamstime subs to other sites and I think you will find they pay a lot more due to the level system, as you suggest   On the 'exclusive' tab on the earnings page (http://www.dreamstime.com/exclusivity.php) it shows you your last 50 credit and sub sales, and makes it easy to see what you are actually getting from sub sales on DT.  Personally, I'm getting $0.61 per sub on average which handily beats any other site by almost double...  I didn't see a drop in RPD after the introduction of the weekly sub, either.

Thanks for confirming my remarks. I would have gone from microstock for over a year if it wasn't for DT. The only problem with their exclusive plan is that it is too harsh as to RM.

I am getting 0.32 - 0.70 per sub sale on Dreamstime and stable 0.35 per sale on Shutterstock, but this month i had 22 sales on DT and 80 on SS! Where i earn more? Yes, DT pay a bit more, but they have too low sales...