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« on: October 20, 2017, 13:39 »
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Used to use MPEG Streamclip for simple operations on video files but doesn't work with 4K clips.

Can you suggest some simple software to things like cutting the beginning and end of videos, deleting audio tracks, combining video and audio files...
I'm look for a really simple program.
In Adobe Premiere i can't even do things like deleting an audio track without recoding the video stream


« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2017, 20:09 »
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I would like to have an answer to that question too.

Thanks in advance if anybody can provide it.

« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2017, 02:12 »
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I use MPEG Streamclip 1.2 to cut videos or remove the sound and it works with 4k videos recorded with a Lumix LX100 camera

« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2017, 06:41 »
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I use MPEG Streamclip 1.2 to cut videos or remove the sound and it works with 4k videos recorded with a Lumix LX100 camera

I have 1.2.1. I can cut the original photojpeg clips. Had problems with h.264. But strange thing is that I tried it again, and it actually worked, it was just painfully slow. Strange, few days ago when I tried to open a clip like that I just got all sorts of error messages..

« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2017, 17:57 »
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I've dumped MSC because it for whatever reason no longer outputs my videos when I want to convert them. It just loops and loops and loops...never seems to write a lead out.  I've done nothing but always update when they are available.  One day, it started happening and has not stopped.

« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2017, 10:41 »
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Originally I was looking for a proper H.265 to ProRes converter. There a lot out there but most are substandard. I found something called iFFmpeg which is quite good. I see besides being a transcoder it does basic editing like trims and filter applications, rotations etc. It's not free but not expensive either. 18 euros I think

« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2017, 10:52 »
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I find it a bit amusing that so many think it's completely natural to expect no less than $79-$199 for a few seconds of footage but don't want to spend even half that for software that takes years to develop.  ;D

If you're interested in doing video, do yourself a favor and get the real software right away.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 11:34 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2017, 11:16 »
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I find it a bit amusing that so many think it's completely natural to expect no less than $79-$199 for a few seconds of footage but don't want to spend even half that for software that takes years to develop.  ;D

If you're interesting in doing video, do yourself a favor and get the real software right away.

For me, I have Final Cut Pro X. But since it does not output certain codecs, I can just use MPEG (or used to) for quick access. For me, it's not about cheap. It's about speed and flexibility.  So I now use Quicktime Player Pro (that I paid for) which works just fine to export to other formats. For me, clipping will be done in FCPX where I have better control, but you can do it in Quicktime as well (if your'a Mac user).

Anyhow, I agree that to do things right you should make a modest investment for the right tools. 
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 11:20 by Mantis »

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2017, 11:18 »
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Adobe Media Encoder all the way!

« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2017, 11:22 »
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I find it a bit amusing that so many think it's completely natural to expect no less than $79-$199 for a few seconds of footage but don't want to spend even half that for software that takes years to develop.  ;D

If you're interesting in doing video, do yourself a favor and get the real software right away.

For me, I have Final Cut Pro X. But since it does not output certain codecs, I can just use MPEG (or used to) for quick access. For me, it's not about cheap. It's about speed and flexibility.  So I now use Quicktime Player Pro (that I paid for) which works just fine to export to other formats. For me, clipping will be done in FCPX where I have better control.  I could do it in Photoshop as well, but for whatever reason it outputs the same codec in nearly 3x the file size as FCPX.

Anyhow, I agree that to do things right you should make a modest investment for the right tools.

What do you need FCP X to output? ProRes, h264 and uncompressed should be enough, no?

I agree, in terms of speed, FCP X is unbeatable. It's quite soul killing to edit something in Premiere or After Effects and then compare it to FCP X. Exporting can be 10 times faster or more! Not to mention just working with multiple 4k clips in the timeline. Of course, you can't do everything you can do with AE or Premiere, but for simple edits it's extremely fast.

Ideally, a combination of FCP X, Premiere and After Effects is what I need (and work with today). It would be great to have it in the same program... If I ran Adobe I would purchase FCP X and implement the fundamental handling of clips into Premiere and AE.

Photoshop is a nightmare for video, but I suppose it can be used for extremely simple things. Auto align can be a great stabilizer for some things, working much better than the warp stabilizer. And for other things, not so good. It's a pain to work with image sequences in Photoshop layers though.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 11:29 by increasingdifficulty »

« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2017, 16:07 »
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I find it a bit amusing that so many think it's completely natural to expect no less than $79-$199 for a few seconds of footage but don't want to spend even half that for software that takes years to develop.  ;D

If you're interesting in doing video, do yourself a favor and get the real software right away.

For me, I have Final Cut Pro X. But since it does not output certain codecs, I can just use MPEG (or used to) for quick access. For me, it's not about cheap. It's about speed and flexibility.  So I now use Quicktime Player Pro (that I paid for) which works just fine to export to other formats. For me, clipping will be done in FCPX where I have better control, but you can do it in Quicktime as well (if your'a Mac user).

Anyhow, I agree that to do things right you should make a modest investment for the right tools.

Mantis, I am surprised you are using FCPX and are having trouble getting the codec you want especially for stock. What are you missing?

« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2017, 16:18 »
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I find it a bit amusing that so many think it's completely natural to expect no less than $79-$199 for a few seconds of footage but don't want to spend even half that for software that takes years to develop.  ;D

If you're interesting in doing video, do yourself a favor and get the real software right away.

For me, I have Final Cut Pro X. But since it does not output certain codecs, I can just use MPEG (or used to) for quick access. For me, it's not about cheap. It's about speed and flexibility.  So I now use Quicktime Player Pro (that I paid for) which works just fine to export to other formats. For me, clipping will be done in FCPX where I have better control, but you can do it in Quicktime as well (if your'a Mac user).

Anyhow, I agree that to do things right you should make a modest investment for the right tools.

Mantis, I am surprised you are using FCPX and are having trouble getting the codec you want especially for stock. What are you missing?

Photo JPEG was a codec I once needed.  Other than that, FCPX is my go-to.

« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 16:21 by Mantis »

« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2017, 18:55 »
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Mantis, not my first choice in codecs but photo jpeg does seem to be there in FCP.

« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2017, 20:04 »
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Mantis, not my first choice in codecs but photo jpeg does seem to be there in FCP.

Is that in Compressor? I do not see it in my FCPX and on Apple's website they say that these are the supported export codecs.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 20:10 by Mantis »

« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2017, 20:16 »
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Mantis,

Yes I guess it is within Compressor. I bought the two together so can't actually tell.

« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2017, 07:05 »
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My new GoPro Hero 6 outputs 4K - 60fps and 2.7K - 120fps clips in HEVC - H 265 only.  Final Cut Pro, DaVinci Resolve (free version), Quicktime and imovie all fail to open the files.  The internet says FCP will update eventually...

I downloaded a trial version of Brorsoft Video Converter.  It does convert to 422 which would be okay for short clips but the file sizes are too far too big to work with if you have an hour of footage to chop.  Anyone working in Final Cut Pro with GoPro Hero 6 in h265 yet?  If so please let me know the best conversion work flow. 

Update:  Updated my Mac system to High Sierra and updated imovie.  HEVC - H 265 will preview in Quick Time Player and Finder and import into imovie.. but will not export 4K.  Seems crazy that FCP is lagging behind. 



« Last Edit: October 25, 2017, 22:28 by trek »

« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2017, 22:23 »
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My new GoPro Hero 6 outputs 4K - 60fps and 2.7K - 120fps clips in HEVC - H 265 only.  Final Cut Pro, DaVinci Resolve (free version), Quicktime and imovie all fail to open the files.  The internet says FCP will update eventually...

I downloaded a trial version of Brorsoft Video Converter.  It does convert to 422 which would be okay for short clips but the file sizes are too far too big to work with if you have an hour of footage to chop.  Anyone working in Final Cut Pro with GoPro Hero 6 in h265 yet?  If so please let me know the best conversion work flow. 

Update:  Updated my Mac system to High Sierra and updated imovie.  HEVC - H 265 will preview in Quick Time Player and Finder now and import into imovie.. but will not export 4K.  Seems crazy that FCP is lagging behind.

Best h.265 convertor is iFFmpeg. About 18 Euro but a decent program that allows a wide variety of transcoding settings.

« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2017, 03:52 »
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My new GoPro Hero 6 outputs 4K - 60fps and 2.7K - 120fps clips in HEVC - H 265 only.  Final Cut Pro, DaVinci Resolve (free version), Quicktime and imovie all fail to open the files.  The internet says FCP will update eventually...

I downloaded a trial version of Brorsoft Video Converter.  It does convert to 422 which would be okay for short clips but the file sizes are too far too big to work with if you have an hour of footage to chop.  Anyone working in Final Cut Pro with GoPro Hero 6 in h265 yet?  If so please let me know the best conversion work flow. 

Update:  Updated my Mac system to High Sierra and updated imovie.  HEVC - H 265 will preview in Quick Time Player and Finder now and import into imovie.. but will not export 4K.  Seems crazy that FCP is lagging behind.

Best h.265 convertor is iFFmpeg. About 18 Euro but a decent program that allows a wide variety of transcoding settings.
Interesting, thanks for thhe tip. Will have a look.
H265 looks like a promising codecs, but not well supported yet


 

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