I did some calculations,and came to some conclusions.
I calculated the number of sales,because in my opinion it is the most important data,of course the earnings are what count in the end,but in the microstock the earnings can vary depending on the licenses sold,so the only thing that in my opinion can give a solid data is the sales number,this number must absolutely increase year after year if I work actively.
here is the percentage increase of the number of the sales in my first 2 quarters between 2023 and 2024:
1Q +36,2%
2Q +18,8%
I wanted to have an even broader vision,and I calculated the percentage of annual growth,even if I had always calculated the differences between years,I had never calculated the percentages in detail.
here are the growth percentages in the number of sales since 2019:
2019-2020 +60,9%
2020-2021 +62,12%
2021-2022 +22,8%
2022-2023 +110,6%
2023-2024 +27,5% (half-year)
so considering the situation in general,I think Adobe Stock can be a gold mine if you have time on your side,because I believe that we also need to make a projection into the future and see if we will then have time to enjoy the fruits of this work.
then in the end it's all subjective,it depends on what you're looking for in the microstock,I'm looking for a solid income,certainly not to become rich,but to earn enough.
so as i said,in my opinion,Adobe Stock can be a gold mine if you start at 30 years or maximum 40 years,because you still have more time,over 40 years instead,it depends on what you are able to produce,and in what quantity,because the time left to enjoy the fruits of labor is less,you simply have less time,it's not negativity,it's simply a fact,reality.
so in conclusion,as far as I'm concerned,if I can have an annual growth in number of sales of at least 80% every year for the next 4 years,in 4 years I can start to have a good income from Adobe Stock,if instead the this year's growth percentage or some of the next 4 years will be less than 80% I don't think I can continue,not actively,maybe some uploads if I feel like it a couple of times a year.
so for the moment until the end of this year I will continue consistently,and then at the end of the year I will evaluate,if I can achieve at least 80% growth in sales numbers,I will continue next year too.
You sell AI generated bullshits, right? So, why not ask chatGpt for your future?
If I am in a car, I want to know how to drive it, not to know the direction where it goes.
Those are very good numbers.
Maybe stock is dead in other agencies but with Adobe we seem to have a winner.
But won't AI generators get to a point when anyone can generate their AI images and videos themselves at good enough quality and then the AI stock images and videos will be irrelevant? And the technology is moving so fast in that direction. After that it may be better to focus on real photos of real places and authentic people.
Quote from: DiscreetDuck on July 27, 2024, 13:34
You sell AI generated bullshits, right? So, why not ask chatGpt for your future?
If I am in a car, I want to know how to drive it, not to know the direction where it goes.
no,I mostly sell "real" and "hybrids" bullshits! :D
Quote from: cobalt on July 27, 2024, 13:56
Those are very good numbers.
Maybe stock is dead in other agencies but with Adobe we seem to have a winner.
indeed!in fact I'm satisfied with the results,unfortunately I started late and I'm eating my hands! :D
if you work consistently with Adobe you make money,there is no doubt about this,in no other agency can you have guaranteed growth over time.
I really hope to be able to reach 80% growth in sales before the end of the year,It's difficult,but not impossible,generally for me the best months are September,October and November.
Quote from: synthetick on July 27, 2024, 14:05
But won't AI generators get to a point when anyone can generate their AI images and videos themselves at good enough quality and then the AI stock images and videos will be irrelevant? And the technology is moving so fast in that direction. After that it may be better to focus on real photos of real places and authentic people.
I partly agree,in fact I prefer to create mostly real or hybrid contents,because even hybrids have a real elements,which can be,but not necessarily,also the subject,but unfortunately even hybrids must be labeled as AI,because they still have generated elements.
I also create purely AI content,because it's better to do everything anyway,and then I think that even if technology improves,stock content will always sell,because you have to consider time,purchasing content from a library is always better because you save time,and you can immediately view many contents and find the one that best suits you.
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Quote from: synthetick on July 27, 2024, 14:05
But won't AI generators get to a point when anyone can generate their AI images and videos themselves at good enough quality and then the AI stock images and videos will be irrelevant? And the technology is moving so fast in that direction. After that it may be better to focus on real photos of real places and authentic people.
Anyone with a phone could also snap a photo or download from free websites just as easily as they can create AI now or in the future.
To quote my art teacher from 80s: " anyone can use a pencil, it's just a tool." Then he often would add " what sets you apart?" "What do YOU bring to the easel?" Etc.
Ideas, composition, persistence, and perfection are my strengths, no matter the medium. Discover your strengths and bring them to stock, your images will pop!
Quote from: Mifornia on July 28, 2024, 20:19
Quote from: synthetick on July 27, 2024, 14:05
But won't AI generators get to a point when anyone can generate their AI images and videos themselves at good enough quality and then the AI stock images and videos will be irrelevant? And the technology is moving so fast in that direction. After that it may be better to focus on real photos of real places and authentic people.
Anyone with a phone could also snap a photo or download from free websites just as easily as they can create AI now or in the future.
To quote my art teacher from 80s: " anyone can use a pencil, it's just a tool." Then he often would add " what sets you apart?" "What do YOU bring to the easel?" Etc.
Ideas, composition, persistence, and perfection are my strengths, no matter the medium. Discover your strengths and bring them to stock, your images will pop!
the concept is exactly what I just wrote in another thread,customers will always need our ideas.
the fact is that we often tend to think based on our point of view and what we are,but many customers don't care about creating content with AI and don't know what they should create,they need us and Adobe Stock.
of course,some customers will be lost to AI but other new ones will arrive.
Double post
Quote from: Injustice for all on July 27, 2024, 12:44
I did some calculations,and came to some conclusions.
I calculated the number of sales,because in my opinion it is the most important data,of course the earnings are what count in the end,but in the microstock the earnings can vary depending on the licenses sold,so the only thing that in my opinion can give a solid data is the sales number,this number must absolutely increase year after year if I work actively.
here is the percentage increase of the number of the sales in my first 2 quarters between 2023 and 2024:
1Q +36,2%
2Q +18,8%
I wanted to have an even broader vision,and I calculated the percentage of annual growth,even if I had always calculated the differences between years,I had never calculated the percentages in detail.
here are the growth percentages in the number of sales since 2019:
2019-2020 +60,9%
2020-2021 +62,12%
2021-2022 +22,8%
2022-2023 +110,6%
2023-2024 +27,5% (half-year)
so considering the situation in general,I think Adobe Stock can be a gold mine if you have time on your side,because I believe that we also need to make a projection into the future and see if we will then have time to enjoy the fruits of this work.
then in the end it's all subjective,it depends on what you're looking for in the microstock,I'm looking for a solid income,certainly not to become rich,but to earn enough.
so as i said,in my opinion,Adobe Stock can be a gold mine if you start at 30 years or maximum 40 years,because you still have more time,over 40 years instead,it depends on what you are able to produce,and in what quantity,because the time left to enjoy the fruits of labor is less,you simply have less time,it's not negativity,it's simply a fact,reality.
so in conclusion,as far as I'm concerned,if I can have an annual growth in number of sales of at least 80% every year for the next 4 years,in 4 years I can start to have a good income from Adobe Stock,if instead the this year's growth percentage or some of the next 4 years will be less than 80% I don't think I can continue,not actively,maybe some uploads if I feel like it a couple of times a year.
so for the moment until the end of this year I will continue consistently,and then at the end of the year I will evaluate,if I can achieve at least 80% growth in sales numbers,I will continue next year too.
In the past we had folks claiming 100% gains but they went from like $20 USD per month to $40 USD. I am assuming you make over $2,000 USD per month thus you're doing a great job. If you make more than $5,000 a month than I am inspired by your work and results!
Quote from: Big Money on July 29, 2024, 02:05
Quote from: Injustice for all on July 27, 2024, 12:44
I did some calculations,and came to some conclusions.
I calculated the number of sales,because in my opinion it is the most important data,of course the earnings are what count in the end,but in the microstock the earnings can vary depending on the licenses sold,so the only thing that in my opinion can give a solid data is the sales number,this number must absolutely increase year after year if I work actively.
here is the percentage increase of the number of the sales in my first 2 quarters between 2023 and 2024:
1Q +36,2%
2Q +18,8%
I wanted to have an even broader vision,and I calculated the percentage of annual growth,even if I had always calculated the differences between years,I had never calculated the percentages in detail.
here are the growth percentages in the number of sales since 2019:
2019-2020 +60,9%
2020-2021 +62,12%
2021-2022 +22,8%
2022-2023 +110,6%
2023-2024 +27,5% (half-year)
so considering the situation in general,I think Adobe Stock can be a gold mine if you have time on your side,because I believe that we also need to make a projection into the future and see if we will then have time to enjoy the fruits of this work.
then in the end it's all subjective,it depends on what you're looking for in the microstock,I'm looking for a solid income,certainly not to become rich,but to earn enough.
so as i said,in my opinion,Adobe Stock can be a gold mine if you start at 30 years or maximum 40 years,because you still have more time,over 40 years instead,it depends on what you are able to produce,and in what quantity,because the time left to enjoy the fruits of labor is less,you simply have less time,it's not negativity,it's simply a fact,reality.
so in conclusion,as far as I'm concerned,if I can have an annual growth in number of sales of at least 80% every year for the next 4 years,in 4 years I can start to have a good income from Adobe Stock,if instead the this year's growth percentage or some of the next 4 years will be less than 80% I don't think I can continue,not actively,maybe some uploads if I feel like it a couple of times a year.
so for the moment until the end of this year I will continue consistently,and then at the end of the year I will evaluate,if I can achieve at least 80% growth in sales numbers,I will continue next year too.
In the past we had folks claiming 100% gains but they went from like $20 USD per month to $40 USD. I am assuming you make over $2,000 USD per month thus you're doing a great job. If you make more than $5,000 a month than I am inspired by your work and results!
i am afraid that you assume wrong! :D
If I earn 2,000 USD a month I wouldn't have any problem!
that's why I will need to earn at least 80% more every year for the next 4 years.
if instead I earn 40% more every year,it will still take 8 years before I have a decent income from Adobe,and with a growth of only 20% per year it will take 16 years!
hence my considerations,this is why I absolutely must proceed with a growth of at least 80% more every year at least for the next 4 years,then this percentage can also decrease,once I already have a good income every year,I can have a growth of even 20% per year is fine.
Quote from: Injustice for all on July 27, 2024, 12:44
...
here is the percentage increase of the number of the sales in my first 2 quarters between 2023 and 2024:
1Q +36,2%
2Q +18,8%
I wanted to have an even broader vision,and I calculated the percentage of annual growth,even if I had always calculated the differences between years,I had never calculated the percentages in detail.
here are the growth percentages in the number of sales since 2019:
2019-2020 +60,9%
2020-2021 +62,12%
2021-2022 +22,8%
2022-2023 +110,6%
2023-2024 +27,5% (half-year)
...
so as i said,in my opinion,Adobe Stock can be a gold mine if you start at 30 years or maximum 40 years,because you still have more time,over 40 years instead,it depends on what you are able to produce,and in what quantity,because the time left to enjoy the fruits of labor is less,you simply have less time,it's not negativity,it's simply a fact,reality.
so in conclusion,as far as I'm concerned,if I can have an annual growth in number of sales of at least 80% every year for the next 4 years,in 4 years I can start to have a good income from Adobe Stock,if instead the this year's growth percentage or some of the next 4 years will be less than 80% I don't think I can continue,not actively,maybe some uploads if I feel like it a couple of times a year....
those goals are wildly out of reality - few sales/incomes in any field achieve even 30% over 4 years, not to even think of 80% - just look at all the old-timers who report significant decreases over the last 10 yeas.
and projecting 30 or 40years is a fool's errand - 30 years ago there was barely an internet - 40 years ago we had 300 baud modems.
and counting # of sales rather than total income may look nice but i'd rather have 10 sales at $1 than 50 sales at $.10
Quote from: cascoly on July 29, 2024, 19:14
Quote from: Injustice for all on July 27, 2024, 12:44
...
here is the percentage increase of the number of the sales in my first 2 quarters between 2023 and 2024:
1Q +36,2%
2Q +18,8%
I wanted to have an even broader vision,and I calculated the percentage of annual growth,even if I had always calculated the differences between years,I had never calculated the percentages in detail.
here are the growth percentages in the number of sales since 2019:
2019-2020 +60,9%
2020-2021 +62,12%
2021-2022 +22,8%
2022-2023 +110,6%
2023-2024 +27,5% (half-year)
...
so as i said,in my opinion,Adobe Stock can be a gold mine if you start at 30 years or maximum 40 years,because you still have more time,over 40 years instead,it depends on what you are able to produce,and in what quantity,because the time left to enjoy the fruits of labor is less,you simply have less time,it's not negativity,it's simply a fact,reality.
so in conclusion,as far as I'm concerned,if I can have an annual growth in number of sales of at least 80% every year for the next 4 years,in 4 years I can start to have a good income from Adobe Stock,if instead the this year's growth percentage or some of the next 4 years will be less than 80% I don't think I can continue,not actively,maybe some uploads if I feel like it a couple of times a year....
those goals are wildly out of reality - few sales/incomes in any field achieve even 30% over 4 years, not to even think of 80% - just look at all the old-timers who report significant decreases over the last 10 yeas.
and projecting 30 or 40years is a fool's errand - 30 years ago there was barely an internet - 40 years ago we had 300 baud modems.
and counting # of sales rather than total income may look nice but i'd rather have 10 sales at $1 than 50 sales at $.10
yes,but as you can see,I achieved 110% more in number of sales between 2022 and 2023 and 60% between 2019-2020 and 2020-2021
if instead of number of sales we want to talk about money,which in the end is what counts,then I should have 100% growth for at least the next 4 years.
after these 4 years then it is certain that even a 10% growth is enough or even that I remain more or less stable,because precisely after 4 years at 100% growth I already have a decent income,so I can also end up with a loss of 10 or 20%.It doesn't matter much anymore,a bad year can happen,and at that point I'm already earning enough.
at this point however I need to maintain at least 100% growth in earnings every year for the next 4 years, otherwise it will take too long before I can have a decent income from Adobe.
Far be it from me to question your word Cascoly! :D I know you know what you're talking about,and you're right,I certainly can't predict what will happen in 10 or more years,that's why I have to make sure I double or almost double my income year by year.
if 100% more income on Adobe seems like a lot,consider that last year,if we're talking about money,I earned about 300% more compared to 2022,but this is the result of everything,bonuses,free collection,missions,everything.
if instead I only count sales I earned around 100% more in 2023 compared to 2022.
In theory, a cash growth of around 80% more every year for the next 4 years is enough for me, which although difficult, very difficult,is not impossible.
makes sense now. Here is my history to see if this helps you on your goal. I started in 2011 with $654 for that year. My 2nd year I made 247% more and as you can see my gains continued for awhile and then the wall hit me. Now I am losing each year. It was fun while it lasted.
Year Income %
2011 $654
2012 $2,268 247%
2013 $7,778 243%
2014 $15,778 103%
2015 $26,433 68%
2016 $33,937 28%
2017 $35,238 4%
2018 $33,370 -5%
2019 $25,804 -23%
2020 $22,790 -12%
2021 $22,504 -1%
2022 $18,532 -18%
2023 $15,582 -16%
Here is another story (only real photos and vector illustrations):
2006 100%
2007 2316%
2008 519%
2009 296%
2010 138%
2011 140%
2012 -56%
2013 -43%
2014 -84%
2015 -71%
2016 -98%
2017 120%
2018 101%
2019 103%
2020 123%
2021 127%
2022 114%
2023 107%
2024 -4% (for half year)
Conclusion: there is no absolute rule.
More than ever today, sales happen if your ingredients match the recipes imposed by the automated subjective algorithms that choose images more than customers do. Especially since the objective sorting by new content has disappeared.
Quote from: Big Money on July 30, 2024, 02:34
makes sense now. Here is my history to see if this helps you on your goal. I started in 2011 with $654 for that year. My 2nd year I made 247% more and as you can see my gains continued for awhile and then the wall hit me. Now I am losing each year. It was fun while it lasted.
Year Income %
2011 $654
2012 $2,268 247%
2013 $7,778 243%
2014 $15,778 103%
2015 $26,433 68%
2016 $33,937 28%
2017 $35,238 4%
2018 $33,370 -5%
2019 $25,804 -23%
2020 $22,790 -12%
2021 $22,504 -1%
2022 $18,532 -18%
2023 $15,582 -16%
are those numbers only for adobe, or all stock combined?
is the large loss in the last two years mostly from shutterstock? (not your fault)
how much did you upload and how many new concepts or genres did you expand into?
how are your videos doing?
Thank you for sharing real numbers. It is extremely valuable even if our ports are all so different.
Quote from: Mifornia on July 28, 2024, 20:19
Quote from: synthetick on July 27, 2024, 14:05
But won't AI generators get to a point when anyone can generate their AI images and videos themselves at good enough quality and then the AI stock images and videos will be irrelevant? And the technology is moving so fast in that direction. After that it may be better to focus on real photos of real places and authentic people.
Anyone with a phone could also snap a photo or download from free websites just as easily as they can create AI now or in the future.
To quote my art teacher from 80s: " anyone can use a pencil, it's just a tool." Then he often would add " what sets you apart?" "What do YOU bring to the easel?" Etc.
Ideas, composition, persistence, and perfection are my strengths, no matter the medium. Discover your strengths and bring them to stock, your images will pop!
exactly this
customers can just take great pictures with their mobile phones, they can also download billions of beautiful files with free commercial cc license from places like flickr etc...
And many, many, many people do, it is not like every commercially used image was bought from an agency
we cater to the market that have very little time, want legal indemnification and actual quality control.
this is a small portion of the entire media market.
but it is a growing market.
everbody can buy a beautiful fountain pen - does not mean they can write the next harry potter
everybody can use their smartphones and uploadi - does not mean they can create great sellable images, even if they try to copy other artist styles
absolutely everyone can record simple video clips - and still the video offerings are virtually empty, only 40 million clips after 18 years of being able to upload stock video
everybody can sign up for ai and with the same prompts generate very similar images - still there will be people that excel, develop their own style that needs a huge 10 page prompt and outsell everyone else
you really have to understand a tool well to create useful, interesting content
most of the current ai uploaders will give up in a year, just like the mobile phone crowd has become much smaller and you don't see many youtube influencers bragging about the millions they make with their iphones anymore
Quote from: DiscreetDuck on July 30, 2024, 08:10
Here is another story (only real photos and vector illustrations):
2006 100%
2007 2316%
2008 519%
2009 296%
2010 138%
2011 140%
2012 -56%
2013 -43%
2014 -84%
2015 -71%
2016 -98%
2017 120%
2018 101%
2019 103%
2020 123%
2021 127%
2022 114%
2023 107%
2024 -4% (for half year)
Conclusion: there is no absolute rule.
More than ever today, sales happen if your ingredients match the recipes imposed by the automated subjective algorithms that choose images more than customers do. Especially since the objective sorting by new content has disappeared.
And I can tell you that the algorithmic recipe has changed in the last 24 hours, just by looking at my latest sales. ;)
Quote from: Big Money on July 30, 2024, 02:34
makes sense now. Here is my history to see if this helps you on your goal. I started in 2011 with $654 for that year. My 2nd year I made 247% more and as you can see my gains continued for awhile and then the wall hit me. Now I am losing each year. It was fun while it lasted.
Year Income %
2011 $654
2012 $2,268 247%
2013 $7,778 243%
2014 $15,778 103%
2015 $26,433 68%
2016 $33,937 28%
2017 $35,238 4%
2018 $33,370 -5%
2019 $25,804 -23%
2020 $22,790 -12%
2021 $22,504 -1%
2022 $18,532 -18%
2023 $15,582 -16%
thanks for sharing.
these are certainly not encouraging numbers,since you have been making a loss since 2018,but I don't know if you continued to work actively or not.
then of course you have to consider that you started when it was easier to earn,there were higher royalties and less competition.
I started exactly when you started running at a loss,in 2018.
Quote from: cobalt on July 30, 2024, 08:23
Quote from: Big Money on July 30, 2024, 02:34
makes sense now. Here is my history to see if this helps you on your goal. I started in 2011 with $654 for that year. My 2nd year I made 247% more and as you can see my gains continued for awhile and then the wall hit me. Now I am losing each year. It was fun while it lasted.
Year Income %
2011 $654
2012 $2,268 247%
2013 $7,778 243%
2014 $15,778 103%
2015 $26,433 68%
2016 $33,937 28%
2017 $35,238 4%
2018 $33,370 -5%
2019 $25,804 -23%
2020 $22,790 -12%
2021 $22,504 -1%
2022 $18,532 -18%
2023 $15,582 -16%
are those numbers only for adobe, or all stock combined?
is the large loss in the last two years mostly from shutterstock? (not your fault)
how much did you upload and how many new concepts or genres did you expand into?
how are your videos doing?
Thank you for sharing real numbers. It is extremely valuable even if our ports are all so different.
I'm sure that this is Adobe/fotolia only.
Quote from: DiscreetDuck on July 30, 2024, 08:10
Here is another story (only real photos and vector illustrations):
2006 100%
2007 2316%
2008 519%
2009 296%
2010 138%
2011 140%
2012 -56%
2013 -43%
2014 -84%
2015 -71%
2016 -98%
2017 120%
2018 101%
2019 103%
2020 123%
2021 127%
2022 114%
2023 107%
2024 -4% (for half year)
Conclusion: there is no absolute rule.
More than ever today, sales happen if your ingredients match the recipes imposed by the automated subjective algorithms that choose images more than customers do. Especially since the objective sorting by new content has disappeared.
thanks for sharing.
these are excellent results,I see that this year is going badly,maybe you stopped uploading?
However,I agree, the sales system today has a key role,because we have become so many,that everything is in the hands of the sales system.
probably the best contents are somehow selected and better positioned in searches.
the only thing I am certain of is that in microstock today you have to continue to work consistently to hope for good results.
@wilm
that would be a very drastic drop at Adobe that I am not hearing from other producers I know that are regular uploaders.
I am seeing a lot of depressed people who are crashing at Shutterstock.
But for Adobe the vibe is quite positive, even with slower uploaders.
Perhaps a specific niche was affected dramatically by the new ai competition?
This is an experienced producer so this is strange. And sad, I hope he finds a way to recover his income.
Like injustice I am rebuilding my income on a very fluid and adaptable 3-4 year plan.
The first question was - can I still reach my customers, can I still offer what they like to buy, especially with winter greeting cards.
That has been answered with a yes, at least on Adobe, my 95% focus with uploads.
By 2026 I would like to have a reliable 800 dollars a month from Adobe only in the off season and obviously a lot more in the winter season.
Since I am currently at around 400 dollars with only 5600 files, I think this is doable.
I have other plans for other agencies and especially for video, but I haven't uploaded enough to adjust my plan for them yet.
Parallel to that I am reorganising my life and trying to cut out what is not really needed. It is a journey and the quality of my life has not suffered by soending less money.
Actually cooking more for myself is not just cheaper but tastes better, shopping cut down to a minimum, because allthough I have lost a lot of weight, I kept all my old clothes, no need to buy anything.
Readjusting my insurances etc...
So now after around 18 months of a full time focus on stock, I am confident it can work.
I am always looking at other online businesses I might build, but stock needs to reach a stable base level and that needs at least 20k files.
Now that I feel confident in using my ai tools, I can get back to processing standard video and also taking new videos and planning shootings with a normal camera with other producers.
I will never just be an ai producer, I really like my camera.
But this was a good solid new education and working with ai is a lot of fun.
Quote from: cobalt on July 30, 2024, 08:23
Quote from: Big Money on July 30, 2024, 02:34
makes sense now. Here is my history to see if this helps you on your goal. I started in 2011 with $654 for that year. My 2nd year I made 247% more and as you can see my gains continued for awhile and then the wall hit me. Now I am losing each year. It was fun while it lasted.
Year Income %
2011 $654
2012 $2,268 247%
2013 $7,778 243%
2014 $15,778 103%
2015 $26,433 68%
2016 $33,937 28%
2017 $35,238 4%
2018 $33,370 -5%
2019 $25,804 -23%
2020 $22,790 -12%
2021 $22,504 -1%
2022 $18,532 -18%
2023 $15,582 -16%
are those numbers only for adobe, or all stock combined?
is the large loss in the last two years mostly from shutterstock? (not your fault)
how much did you upload and how many new concepts or genres did you expand into?
how are your videos doing?
Thank you for sharing real numbers. It is extremely valuable even if our ports are all so different.
Sadly combined. Huge decline in Shutter and iStock. I don't upload too much anymore due to lose of interest-retired and mostly fishing. My video sales are terrible. 90% of the folks on this site make much more than me thus my results only reflect the lower end of the scale. A few of you have made more in one year than I did over a decade which is amazing.
Quote from: Wilm on July 30, 2024, 10:42
Quote from: cobalt on July 30, 2024, 08:23
Quote from: Big Money on July 30, 2024, 02:34
makes sense now. Here is my history to see if this helps you on your goal. I started in 2011 with $654 for that year. My 2nd year I made 247% more and as you can see my gains continued for awhile and then the wall hit me. Now I am losing each year. It was fun while it lasted.
Year Income %
2011 $654
2012 $2,268 247%
2013 $7,778 243%
2014 $15,778 103%
2015 $26,433 68%
2016 $33,937 28%
2017 $35,238 4%
2018 $33,370 -5%
2019 $25,804 -23%
2020 $22,790 -12%
2021 $22,504 -1%
2022 $18,532 -18%
2023 $15,582 -16%
are those numbers only for adobe, or all stock combined?
is the large loss in the last two years mostly from shutterstock? (not your fault)
how much did you upload and how many new concepts or genres did you expand into?
how are your videos doing?
Thank you for sharing real numbers. It is extremely valuable even if our ports are all so different.
I'm sure that this is Adobe/fotolia only.
Don't I wish. Sadly these are combined. I am on the lower tier of this business compared to majority here. I never was a true photographer (not considered professional by any means)--did it part time with my boring daytime job paying the bills. Extra cash just enough to pay for my equipment. I remember a few folks here telling me that I sucked and don't quit your daytime job lol! I didn't mind them telling me I was bad since it is true.
Quote from: Big Money on July 30, 2024, 14:07
Sadly combined. Huge decline in Shutter and iStock. I don't upload too much anymore due to lose of interest-retired and mostly fishing. My video sales are terrible. 90% of the folks on this site make much more than me thus my results only reflect the lower end of the scale. A few of you have made more in one year than I did over a decade which is amazing.
sorry to hear about your losses at istock. I was hoping at least they would remain stable.
But the important thing is that Adobe has probably weathered the storms quite well, so for me to keep focussing on Adobe is the right path.
I am sorry you are all losing drastic money with Shutterstock, but since they decided to kick me out I don't have a lot of sympathy for the agency :)
IMO the drop in Shutterstock is entirely self inflicted and longterm cannot be hidden with ai projects and income.
Adobe can do everything they do with ai and probably better, so their behaviour, treating producers badly, removing the "search by new" button for buyers (who ever thought this was a good idea...?) etc...their downfall was to be expected.
And will continue until they have a completely new set of owners and managers.
Which will take a few years.
If you don't really need the income, you can of course relax uploading and really treat it as passive income.
But for instance video is a completely wide open field and I am sure a few photo uploads will not hurt.
Good luck.
Quote from: Injustice for all on July 30, 2024, 10:44
thanks for sharing.
these are excellent results,I see that this year is going badly,maybe you stopped uploading?
However,I agree, the sales system today has a key role,because we have become so many,that everything is in the hands of the sales system.
probably the best contents are somehow selected and better positioned in searches.
the only thing I am certain of is that in microstock today you have to continue to work consistently to hope for good results.
Thanks.
I'm not sure if the numbers should be split 50/50 for the first 6 and last 6 months of the year ;)
And the latest works always need several months to emerge from the crap.
I've been working and uploaded, but result will come in next future (I hope).
My rule was always quality, not quantity. And this strategy always paid.
Quote from: DiscreetDuck on July 31, 2024, 16:10
Quote from: Injustice for all on July 30, 2024, 10:44
thanks for sharing.
these are excellent results,I see that this year is going badly,maybe you stopped uploading?
However,I agree, the sales system today has a key role,because we have become so many,that everything is in the hands of the sales system.
probably the best contents are somehow selected and better positioned in searches.
the only thing I am certain of is that in microstock today you have to continue to work consistently to hope for good results.
Thanks.
I'm not sure if the numbers should be split 50/50 for the first 6 and last 6 months of the year ;)
And the latest works always need several months to emerge from the crap.
I've been working and uploaded, but result will come in next future (I hope).
My rule was always quality, not quantity. And this strategy always paid.
what?! :D
I agree,quality beats quantity,except that today quantity also counts.
I saw an example of what you say just yesterday,when I sold a content that I had made in February,and only yesterday it finally made the first sale,a content that took several hours divided into several days to make,and which in my opinion deserves much more than only one sale after 5 months.
so lately I've also been trying to focus on quantity,but my quantity can be a max of 100 contents in a week.
my results for July 2024 compared to July 2023:
+45,1% sales number
+57,3% earnings
a very good result, if I was already earning well or if I was 30 years old.
However,I am not far from my goal of 80% in terms of sales or even earnings,the important thing is that I manage to double or almost double my earnings for the next 4 years,every year,otherwise it would take too long,before having an acceptable income.
Quote from: Big Money on July 29, 2024, 02:05
Quote from: Injustice for all on July 27, 2024, 12:44
I did some calculations,and came to some conclusions.
I calculated the number of sales,because in my opinion it is the most important data,of course the earnings are what count in the end,but in the microstock the earnings can vary depending on the licenses sold,so the only thing that in my opinion can give a solid data is the sales number,this number must absolutely increase year after year if I work actively.
here is the percentage increase of the number of the sales in my first 2 quarters between 2023 and 2024:
1Q +36,2%
2Q +18,8%
I wanted to have an even broader vision,and I calculated the percentage of annual growth,even if I had always calculated the differences between years,I had never calculated the percentages in detail.
here are the growth percentages in the number of sales since 2019:
2019-2020 +60,9%
2020-2021 +62,12%
2021-2022 +22,8%
2022-2023 +110,6%
2023-2024 +27,5% (half-year)
so considering the situation in general,I think Adobe Stock can be a gold mine if you have time on your side,because I believe that we also need to make a projection into the future and see if we will then have time to enjoy the fruits of this work.
then in the end it's all subjective,it depends on what you're looking for in the microstock,I'm looking for a solid income,certainly not to become rich,but to earn enough.
so as i said,in my opinion,Adobe Stock can be a gold mine if you start at 30 years or maximum 40 years,because you still have more time,over 40 years instead,it depends on what you are able to produce,and in what quantity,because the time left to enjoy the fruits of labor is less,you simply have less time,it's not negativity,it's simply a fact,reality.
so in conclusion,as far as I'm concerned,if I can have an annual growth in number of sales of at least 80% every year for the next 4 years,in 4 years I can start to have a good income from Adobe Stock,if instead the this year's growth percentage or some of the next 4 years will be less than 80% I don't think I can continue,not actively,maybe some uploads if I feel like it a couple of times a year.
so for the moment until the end of this year I will continue consistently,and then at the end of the year I will evaluate,if I can achieve at least 80% growth in sales numbers,I will continue next year too.
In the past we had folks claiming 100% gains but they went from like $20 USD per month to $40 USD. I am assuming you make over $2,000 USD per month thus you're doing a great job. If you make more than $5,000 a month than I am inspired by your work and results!
Right!
And then there's the wall, where initial growth, slows and the increases become smaller and smaller. Without knowing how long, how many images and even in round numbers, earnings, percentages are not reliable as a way to look at progress or the future.
Someone new, first year is 100% if that's $100 and the next year they make $200 oh wow, looks great, but the sample and time is too short. People have made whatever "good money" is for themselves, personally, with hundreds of images, then added more and more and when they have thousands, the RPI keeps dropping and income per image sold keep dropping.
My point is, no one should expect growth from year to year, based on number of images, to keep increasing income. Most of the time, things just don't work that way.
200 images makes $, 400 images makes $$, 800 makes $$+ and by 2,000 images, you are making $$$. It's not as if 10X the images makes 10X the income. And this is without going into, what are the images? High demand, exclusive subjects? Highest quality or just interesting. Number of images translates into more return, but not in a direct proportion to how many the collection has increased.
AKA the law of diminishing returns?
But you can counter that by always very carefully expanding into new genres.
Once you have an established foothold in a genre, you supple less files, but much better files or more specialized files that will draw eyeballs but are not as generic as the initial uploads.
Parallel to that you research new subjects, upload gradually and see if you can establish a foothold of regular sales.
Some things will work, others don't.
Personally I call this "niche stacking".
Then you can always expand with more video or simply more agencies.
And finally - you can hire people to increase your production volume. Many of the best ports come from a business account with team production, not individuals.
Even just having a part time coworker can increase production a lot.
What you cannot control, is if an agency breaks down on you, bankrupcy, stupid management etc...
And of course overall trends - everybody will use ai, agencies are doomed....
@Pete
it's true,it's all unpredictable,but above all with a lower income it's easier to obtain higher percentages.
I agree with everything you wrote without a shadow of a doubt,and also the fact that probably even the law of diminishing returns is applicable in microstock,an increase in production does not necessarily lead to an increase in earnings,and/or it is not possible to quantify this increase.
I agree with all this,but this does not take away the fact that I have to double or almost double my sales for the next 4 years to hope to continue,or otherwise I certainly cannot continue to produce and work in this way,I have I need to see more concrete results and also I need to start earning more in a short period,I can't wait another 8 years to have a decent income.
4 years is the max time I can wait,and it will already be very difficult for me to wait these 4 years,so I have to see more concrete results from now.
If I don't reach my goal,I simply stop working actively,and I'll upload something maybe a couple of times a year,until I see more concrete results.
but I can tell you one thing from what I have seen,if you work consistently with Adobe,there is certainly an increase,an increase that cannot be quantified but it is there.
It seems to me that all those who have complained about a loss are because they have stopped working actively,maybe I'm wrong and that's not the case,but it seems that way to me.
Quote from: cobalt on August 01, 2024, 15:42
But you can counter that by always very carefully expanding into new genres.
Once you have an established foothold in a genre, you supple less files, but much better files or more specialized files that will draw eyeballs but are not as generic as the initial uploads.
Parallel to that you research new subjects, upload gradually and see if you can establish a foothold of regular sales.
Some things will work, others don't.
Personally I call this "niche stacking".
Then you can always expand with more video or simply more agencies.
And finally - you can hire people to increase your production volume. Many of the best ports come from a business account with team production, not individuals.
Even just having a part time coworker can increase production a lot.
What you cannot control, is if an agency breaks down on you, bankrupcy, stupid management etc...
And of course overall trends - everybody will use ai, agencies are doomed....
I agree,if you work consistently with Adobe Stock your earnings increase,it is not possible to quantify this increase,but it is there,and it can be in the short or long term based on what you produce.
I've seen many say that the microstock is over,then analyzing their case in detail,they had the same portfolio today that they had 10 years ago!
How come you can say you don't earn more if you don't produce anything? :D
the fact is that many are still used to how things were before,in the past it was possible to create a portfolio of 2-3000 contents and then sit and count the money without doing anything anymore,today this is no longer possible.
there is still someone who manages to earn well without working for years,but they are very few and they continue to earn less year after year,precisely because they no longer produce.
Quote from: Injustice for all on August 02, 2024, 09:46in the past it was possible to create a portfolio of 2-3000 contents and then sit and count the money without doing anything anymore, today this is no longer possible.
That dream still keeps hundreds of contributors going, most just want to get to $1k, even while continuing actively contributing (not as passive income) Some have no other choices, but do stock from home full time and try to reach that goal. I admire their determination, hopefulness and positivity
In US it's probably unsustainable, so how will stock continue to thrive? Probably similar to Target, stock will be supported by creatives from Asia and India. For Adobe, there is no difference what part of the world images come from.
Quote from: Mifornia on August 16, 2024, 00:42
Quote from: Injustice for all on August 02, 2024, 09:46in the past it was possible to create a portfolio of 2-3000 contents and then sit and count the money without doing anything anymore, today this is no longer possible.
That dream still keeps hundreds of contributors going, most just want to get to $1k, even while continuing actively contributing (not as passive income) Some have no other choices, but do stock from home full time and try to reach that goal. I admire their determination, hopefulness and positivity
In US it's probably unsustainable, so how will stock continue to thrive? Probably similar to Target, stock will be supported by creatives from Asia and India. For Adobe, there is no difference what part of the world images come from.
yes that's me,my goal is to reach 1000 usd a month working only with Adobe Stock,once I reach this goal I will see if I can expand my horizons,but if I can't even earn 7-800 a month with Adobe,it's useless to think about do something else in the microstock,so first I want to see if it is possible to achieve this goal and then I will evaluate.
so far all the months of this year have been better than previous years,so it is possible to continue to improve earnings,the only problem is that today it takes much longer than 10 years ago.
I don't know because I don't have the general picture,but I'm quite convinced that those who started earning around 1000 USD a month with AI are contributors who already had 10,000 Lifetime Licenses or at least more than 1000.
I don't think the sales system allows someone who has just started to earn these figures,but it allows it over time,but as I said I don't know for sure because I don't have the general picture.
I believe that you need to exceed 10,000 sales before the sales system opens the taps,this is my impression from the data collected,but I can't be certain.
However,Adobe's sales system works well,in my opinion it is better to wait time but have guaranteed growth than to have no certainties like in other agencies.
I believe that if someone wants to hope for growth over time on Adobe they must upload at least 100 useful and well-made contents per month,at least this quantity,but of course more is better.
in any case 100 useful and well-made contents are better than 500 useless and poorly made ones in my opinion.
I have many hopes for the last quarter of this year,which will be decisive for me to see if I can continue.
Quote from: DiscreetDuck on July 31, 2024, 16:10...
Thanks.
I'm not sure if the numbers should be split 50/50 for the first 6 and last 6 months of the year ;)
And the latest works always need several months to emerge from the crap.
I've been working and uploaded, but result will come in next future (I hope).
My rule was always quality, not quantity. And this strategy always paid.
chacun a son gout (everybody has gout) - some say upload constantly since only new images get noticed, others say wait till they acquire a patina. it is what it is (except when it isn't) which is why no suggestion works for everyone and tracking your own stats is the only possibly worthwhile option
Quote from: Injustice for all on August 23, 2024, 11:06
Quote from: Mifornia on August 16, 2024, 00:42
Quote from: Injustice for all on August 02, 2024, 09:46in the past it was possible to create a portfolio of 2-3000 contents and then sit and count the money without doing anything anymore, today this is no longer possible.
That dream still keeps hundreds of contributors going, most just want to get to $1k, even while continuing actively contributing (not as passive income) Some have no other choices, but do stock from home full time and try to reach that goal. I admire their determination, hopefulness and positivity
In US it's probably unsustainable, so how will stock continue to thrive? Probably similar to Target, stock will be supported by creatives from Asia and India. For Adobe, there is no difference what part of the world images come from.
yes that's me,my goal is to reach 1000 usd a month working only with Adobe Stock,once I reach this goal I will see if I can expand my horizons,but if I can't even earn 7-800 a month with Adobe,it's useless to think about do something else in the microstock,so first I want to see if it is possible to achieve this goal and then I will evaluate.
so far all the months of this year have been better than previous years,so it is possible to continue to improve earnings,the only problem is that today it takes much longer than 10 years ago.
I don't know because I don't have the general picture,but I'm quite convinced that those who started earning around 1000 USD a month with AI are contributors who already had 10,000 Lifetime Licenses or at least more than 1000.
I don't think the sales system allows someone who has just started to earn these figures,but it allows it over time,but as I said I don't know for sure because I don't have the general picture.
I believe that you need to exceed 10,000 sales before the sales system opens the taps,this is my impression from the data collected,but I can't be certain.
However,Adobe's sales system works well,in my opinion it is better to wait time but have guaranteed growth than to have no certainties like in other agencies.
I believe that if someone wants to hope for growth over time on Adobe they must upload at least 100 useful and well-made contents per month,at least this quantity,but of course more is better.
in any case 100 useful and well-made contents are better than 500 useless and poorly made ones in my opinion.
I have many hopes for the last quarter of this year,which will be decisive for me to see if I can continue.
Yes, you are a winner Ai prompter
"I believe that you need to exceed 10,000 sales before the sales system opens the taps,this is my impression from the data collected,but I can't be certain."
I didn't see any difference when I finally crossed the 10k sales mark.
When I started uploading again I was around 6k something, I crossed 10k some time last year, now sitting at around total 11800 dl. i went from around weekly pos 20k in sept 22 to now around 3800 2 years later.
The "secret" to sales is simply: upload something that is badly needed and nobody else is doing.
I don't think there is any barrier holding you back, certainly not on Adobe.
Upload something the buyers really, really want and you will make money.
Research, research research and even if the subject already has endless duplicates - can you do it better? Can you stand out with a plate of spaghetti, a happy thumbs up people group?
But the best is to go after all the content that is missing. And that is a lot.
You can see how blv has very consistent sales, even in a slow time like August. His port has what people like to buy.
I am sure you will make a lot more than 1k eventually.
Quote from: cobalt on August 25, 2024, 15:27
"I believe that you need to exceed 10,000 sales before the sales system opens the taps,this is my impression from the data collected,but I can't be certain."
I didn't see any difference when I finally crossed the 10k sales mark.
When I started uploading again I was around 6k something, I crossed 10k some time last year, now sitting at around total 11800 dl. i went from around weekly pos 20k in sept 22 to now around 3800 2 years later.
The "secret" to sales is simply: upload something that is badly needed and nobody else is doing.
I don't think there is any barrier holding you back, certainly not on Adobe.
Upload something the buyers really, really want and you will make money.
Research, research research and even if the subject already has endless duplicates - can you do it better? Can you stand out with a plate of spaghetti, a happy thumbs up people group?
But the best is to go after all the content that is missing. And that is a lot.
You can see how blv has very consistent sales, even in a slow time like August. His port has what people like to buy.
I am sure you will make a lot more than 1k eventually.
what you say is partly true,but in my opinion,however,it doesn't just depend on the kind of contents that you have in youir portfolio,it is full of online examples of this.
I've seen many travel photographers with stunning portfolios full of locations who don't earn as much as they should but not even in the slightest,why do you think?
because there are so many of us.
how do we sell everyone in your opinion?
because clearly there is a system that manages sales.
and what do you think are the conditions for having the favor of the system?
In my opinion,time is one of these conditions.
Adobe's sales system is the best in my opinion of all the agencies.
you say you didn't notice any difference when you exceeded 10,000 sales and I can definitely believe you,but for me it wasn't like that when I exceeded 1,000 sales for me there was a noticeable change.
blv seems to me to have had an increase in sales exceeding 10,000 sales,it seems to me that he also said once that it took 10 years,but he can tell us better if he feels like it.
Cobalt,I absolutely agree with you on what you produce,the type/quantity portfolio you have is of fundamental importance,but that's not all,there's more.
there is much more because we are simply many,and we all have to sell,and sales must be managed by a system that works for everyone,an algorithm made up of steps,and I can get this far,then understand what these steps are i don't know and no one knows.
but I'm pretty sure that one of these steps is the time you have been a contributor and/or the number of downloads achieved.
another example is the "recent top sellers" section in the contributor portal,as you know,sellers with less than 1000 sales are not really considered,as it should be,and in fact I repeat that I noticed a difference when I exceeded 1000 sales.
and obviously sellers with at least 10,000 or more sales are considered more,as is right in my opinion.
what you produce is of fundamental importance,but that's not all,there's much more.
the number of total sales achieved matters,time matters! :)
Mad time! :D
my results for August 2024 compared to August 2023:
+53,3% sales number +93,0% earnings
and now results for the first 8 months of this year compared to the first 8 months of 2023:
+32,3% sales number +49,3% earnings
therefore from these results it emerges that I need to have an average of approximately 110% more earnings in the last 4 months of the year,compared to the last 4 months of 2023,in order to have at least 80% growth between this year and last year.
I can do it,it won't be easy,but I can still reach my goal of at least 80% more earnings between one year and another,just one strong month is enough to raise the average.
keep it up! :D
@injustice
congrats on the sales! well done!
I know we wont't agree on this, but if time and having uploaded 1300 files 10 years ago would have such a drastic effect on current success, why are there so many people who have uploaded without a break, now have 15k files or more but have less sales than me?
Shouldn't they be on the top sales list everywhere?
People with ports of beautiful travel pictures, like you say don't have more sales, because they obviously didn't do any research in what customers like to buy in that genre. Because there are landscape and travel artist with full time income. But it is a real job, not a hobby.
Stock is not about pretty, it is about useful.
I have an old file with ugly cockroaches that is still outselling lots of other better images. It is dead ugly, but useful. Even useful after 15 years.
Need to do more cockroaches....
Maybe there is some magic system secrets and if you can figure out the algos of the various agencies it gives you a special advantage.
Personally I am not seeing anything like that. My bestselling files are always the ones with the best research. Sometimes there is a lucky accident, but then if I look into it I realize I stumbled on a niche I wasn't aware of.
But if you can figure out some magic tricks with algos good for you.
The only thing that is obvious, you have top keep feeding the beast, so the buyers looking for newest content can find your port.
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 01, 2024, 11:20
Mad time! :D
my results for August 2024 compared to August 2023:
+53,3% sales number +93,0% earnings
and now results for the first 8 months of this year compared to the first 8 months of 2023:
+32,3% sales number +49,3% earnings
therefore from these results it emerges that I need to have an average of approximately 110% more earnings in the last 4 months of the year,compared to the last 4 months of 2023,in order to have at least 80% growth between this year and last year.
I can do it,it won't be easy,but I can still reach my goal of at least 80% more earnings between one year and another,just one strong month is enough to raise the average.
keep it up! :D
That's amazing and fantastic....congratulations!!
May I ask how much your portfolio increased in those time periods?
Quote from: cobalt on September 01, 2024, 13:08
@injustice
congrats on the sales! well done!
I know we wont't agree on this, but if time and having uploaded 1300 files 10 years ago would have such a drastic effect on current success, why are there so many people who have uploaded without a break, now have 15k files or more but have less sales than me?
Shouldn't they be on the top sales list everywhere?
People with ports of beautiful travel pictures, like you say don't have more sales, because they obviously didn't do any research in what customers like to buy in that genre. Because there are landscape and travel artist with full time income. But it is a real job, not a hobby.
Stock is not about pretty, it is about useful.
I have an old file with ugly cockroaches that is still outselling lots of other better images. It is dead ugly, but useful. Even useful after 15 years.
Need to do more cockroaches....
Maybe there is some magic system secrets and if you can figure out the algos of the various agencies it gives you a special advantage.
Personally I am not seeing anything like that. My bestselling files are always the ones with the best research. Sometimes there is a lucky accident, but then if I look into it I realize I stumbled on a niche I wasn't aware of.
But if you can figure out some magic tricks with algos good for you.
The only thing that is obvious, you have top keep feeding the beast, so the buyers looking for newest content can find your port.
Thank you! :)
"Stock is not about pretty, it is about useful".
I completely agree with this quote.
what sell are content that customer need,content that has a clear and strong concept or idea,and even better if it has visual appeal,and then even content that has no competition sells well,because there are few of them.
I'm telling you all this according to what I understand from my experience gained in these 6 years with Adobe,these are not certain facts,just my considerations:
contents that have no competition "bypass" the sales system.
if a customer searches for a cockroach,the search will not return much content,so if you have a cockroach it is very likely that you will sell it.
this applies to all "unique" content which is why,as you always say,it is important to research what is missing from Adobe's library.
for generic contents the situation changes.
there are no magic or tricks,but only a system that guarantees sales based on a specific algorithm.
over time and by reaching a certain number of sales,in the event of a "generic request" from a customer,the percentage that your content is shown increases.
over time you get more content that has made more sales and increases your chances of making a sale.
then there are other conditions,such as highlighted portfolio and in my opinion other more conditions.
only with time can you make more sales and only with time can you earn more,but how much more depends on the contents you have for sale,both in terms of utility and number.
obviously if we were in all 10 contributors,we would all be filthy rich,what do you think? :D
in the current state of things it is impossible to sell something just as it is impossible not to sell it.
all this is only possible thanks to the sales system,and the Adobe Stock system in my opinion is the best.
but I repeat once again:how much more you can earn depends on what you produce,keywording,quantity produced and time.
Quote from: wds on September 01, 2024, 14:49
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 01, 2024, 11:20
Mad time! :D
my results for August 2024 compared to August 2023:
+53,3% sales number +93,0% earnings
and now results for the first 8 months of this year compared to the first 8 months of 2023:
+32,3% sales number +49,3% earnings
therefore from these results it emerges that I need to have an average of approximately 110% more earnings in the last 4 months of the year,compared to the last 4 months of 2023,in order to have at least 80% growth between this year and last year.
I can do it,it won't be easy,but I can still reach my goal of at least 80% more earnings between one year and another,just one strong month is enough to raise the average.
keep it up! :D
That's amazing and fantastic....congratulations!!
May I ask how much your portfolio increased in those time periods?
thank you! :)
my port has grown by 21.3% in the last 8 months.
keep in mind that it is easier for me to get higher percentages because my income is still low.
getting 100% more if you earn 500 usd a month is easier than getting 100% more if you already earn 1000 usd a month.
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 01, 2024, 11:20...
therefore from these results it emerges that I need to have an average of approximately 110% more earnings in the last 4 months of the year,compared to the last 4 months of 2023,in order to have at least 80% growth between this year and last year.
I can do it,it won't be easy,but I can still reach my goal of at least 80% more earnings between one year and another,just one strong month is enough to raise the average.
...
i hope you're right, but your needs just get greater with each month -- YOU don't have much influence on sales - you're HOPING to get a big month but hope won't pay the rent - and expecting to repeat this year after year is just unrealistic
If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride.
If horse turds were biscuits, they'd eat 'til they died.
Quote from: cascoly on September 02, 2024, 01:43
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 01, 2024, 11:20...
therefore from these results it emerges that I need to have an average of approximately 110% more earnings in the last 4 months of the year,compared to the last 4 months of 2023,in order to have at least 80% growth between this year and last year.
I can do it,it won't be easy,but I can still reach my goal of at least 80% more earnings between one year and another,just one strong month is enough to raise the average.
...
i hope you're right, but your needs just get greater with each month -- YOU don't have much influence on sales - you're HOPING to get a big month but hope won't pay the rent - and expecting to repeat this year after year is just unrealistic
If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride.
If horse turds were biscuits, they'd eat 'til they died.
my goal is always the same,to obtain 80% more between one year and another,for the next 4 years,simply because otherwise it takes too long.
for you,getting an extra 80% is certainly more difficult because you already earn more than me.
my goal is difficult,it is certainly not a simple thing to be able to achieve 80% more between one year and another and the further I go the more difficult it will be,I will evaluate one step at a time.
Far too many variables for each person experience in stock to be able to compare your sales to the next, for me Adobe sales are still best performer but are decreasing in 2024 and think it will get worse in 2025 onwards, Shutterstock almost matched Adobe for me this month. Still decent pocket money for 60mins hobby work every week, around $800/month.
Quote from: Shuttershock on September 02, 2024, 12:46
Far too many variables for each person experience in stock to be able to compare your sales to the next, for me Adobe sales are still best performer but are decreasing in 2024 and think it will get worse in 2025 onwards, Shutterstock almost matched Adobe for me this month. Still decent pocket money for 60mins hobby work every week, around $800/month.
Of course,everyone thinks based on their own experiences.
you certainly can't complain,800 usd for a hobby is a good result.
SS I don't even comment on it anymore because it's useless anyway,I've been saying for 2 years that SS is an agency in decline,many didn't believe it because they still earned well,and some still manage to earn well,but there are fewer and fewer of them.
Better to invest your time in something solid like Adobe,but we must also accept the changes,and evolve accordingly,we cannot offer the same stock on Adobe that was done 10 years ago.
of course,even a classic stock is fine and can sell,i also do classic stock,but a more modern stock certainly offers greater possibilities.
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 02, 2024, 17:06...,
SS I don't even comment on it anymore because it's useless anyway,I've been saying for 2 years that SS is an agency in decline,many didn't believe it because they still earned well,and some still manage to earn well,but there are fewer and fewer of them.
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so which is it? how can it be useless when 'many' still see it earn more than AS. it m ay be useless FOR YOU, but maybe you need a different emphasis. we can't see your portffolio so can't comment further
the fact that there may be fewer contributors doesn't mean the agency is in decline
Quote from: cascoly on September 03, 2024, 00:07
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 02, 2024, 17:06...,
SS I don't even comment on it anymore because it's useless anyway,I've been saying for 2 years that SS is an agency in decline,many didn't believe it because they still earned well,and some still manage to earn well,but there are fewer and fewer of them.
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so which is it? how can it be useless when 'many' still see it earn more than AS. it m ay be useless FOR YOU, but maybe you need a different emphasis. we can't see your portffolio so can't comment further
the fact that there may be fewer contributors doesn't mean the agency is in decline
YOU and YOU! :D
in my opinion Shutterstock is an agency in decline,and is useless to me,and this is the case according to many other contributors from what I see.
Isn't that the case for YOU?Good,better for YOU! :D
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 02, 2024, 17:06
Quote from: Shuttershock on September 02, 2024, 12:46
Far too many variables for each person experience in stock to be able to compare your sales to the next, for me Adobe sales are still best performer but are decreasing in 2024 and think it will get worse in 2025 onwards, Shutterstock almost matched Adobe for me this month. Still decent pocket money for 60mins hobby work every week, around $800/month.
Of course,everyone thinks based on their own experiences.
you certainly can't complain,800 usd for a hobby is a good result.
SS I don't even comment on it anymore because it's useless anyway,I've been saying for 2 years that SS is an agency in decline,many didn't believe it because they still earned well,and some still manage to earn well,but there are fewer and fewer of them.
Better to invest your time in something solid like Adobe,but we must also accept the changes,and evolve accordingly,we cannot offer the same stock on Adobe that was done 10 years ago.
of course,even a classic stock is fine and can sell,i also do classic stock,but a more modern stock certainly offers greater possibilities.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket. When it will bite, will hurt a lot. I've been reading lately comments, and I've seen that you really rely on Adobe, it's like you know the director and it's your best friend. It's just business, diversify. Unless you have unique contract with Adobe. I started last year, while Adobe pays the most and I like it, why should I not earn extra from other agencies?
Quote from: Faustvasea on September 04, 2024, 08:44
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 02, 2024, 17:06
Quote from: Shuttershock on September 02, 2024, 12:46
Far too many variables for each person experience in stock to be able to compare your sales to the next, for me Adobe sales are still best performer but are decreasing in 2024 and think it will get worse in 2025 onwards, Shutterstock almost matched Adobe for me this month. Still decent pocket money for 60mins hobby work every week, around $800/month.
Of course,everyone thinks based on their own experiences.
you certainly can't complain,800 usd for a hobby is a good result.
SS I don't even comment on it anymore because it's useless anyway,I've been saying for 2 years that SS is an agency in decline,many didn't believe it because they still earned well,and some still manage to earn well,but there are fewer and fewer of them.
Better to invest your time in something solid like Adobe,but we must also accept the changes,and evolve accordingly,we cannot offer the same stock on Adobe that was done 10 years ago.
of course,even a classic stock is fine and can sell,i also do classic stock,but a more modern stock certainly offers greater possibilities.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket. When it will bite, will hurt a lot. I've been reading lately comments, and I've seen that you really rely on Adobe, it's like you know the director and it's your best friend. It's just business, diversify. Unless you have unique contract with Adobe. I started last year, while Adobe pays the most and I like it, why should I not earn extra from other agencies?
thank you for the advice.
I started with many agencies,and in fact I still have several active ports in other agencies,I simply decided to concentrate my efforts on the best agency which is Adobe.
what you say makes sense,but in my opinion you are underestimating the advantage of working with a single agency.
I also worked with Istock before,I worked very hard,I dedicated 4 whole years of my life to Istock,and to do what?To get a nice kick in the butt with an email that arrived in the middle of the night.
it's not like Istock emailed me to tell me:"We encountered this problem,do you have anything to say about it?"
no,they proclaimed themselves judges,jury,prosecution and accused,they did everything themselves,completely getting the evaluation wrong,and destroying 4 and a half years of work in a second.
Are these the agencies you are referring to?
No thanks,I prefer to work with serious people.
Now my goal is to make a good income with Adobe,and then maybe I can think about broadening my horizons in the future.
And then there are also other reasons,including,in my opinion,the future of microstock is with Adobe and then working only with one agency has many advantages.
but it is still an open door,for the moment I feel like doing this,then I will evaluate.
I know that I always speak well of Adobe,but simply because I tell the truth,what in my opinion makes sense and is true,I am not Adobe's lawyer,and if I think that Adobe is doing something that I don't think is right I have no problem saying so.
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 04, 2024, 09:28
I started with many agencies,and in fact I still have several active ports in other agencies,I simply decided to concentrate my efforts on the best agency which is Adobe.
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what you say makes sense,but in my opinion you are underestimating the advantage of working with a single agency.
Now my goal is to make a good income with Adobe,and then maybe I can think about broadening my horizons in the future.
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what are the advantages of working w a single agency when you're no exclusive?
I would not be exclusive with any agency, none of them are worth it. I like Adobe but seriously their wait times for inspection are insane. Your images are out of date by the time they get around to approving them. That is bad mojo. That said, even submitting to a half a dozen agencies still barely cover the expenses if at all. It is not a growth industry for the contributor and it will only become worse over time. Throwing all your eggs in one basket in this climate is fiscal suicide.
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 01, 2024, 18:05
if a customer searches for a cockroach,the search will not return much content,so if you have a cockroach it is very likely that you will sell it.
only 65,000+ images and almost 3900 videos, so hardly an empty category (although I suspect getting on the first page of search there would bring decent sales)
I would consider an empty category something that there is only one page of search results - so you can't help but show up on page one.
in any case - getting a $ increase larger than the increase in assets for sale means you are doing something right. In fact I would be pleased to get an increase = to the increase in assets.
Personally, I don't believe it is just having been on adobe longer and I think that is a very small factor in the search algo if at all.
Quote from: cascoly on September 04, 2024, 18:28
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 04, 2024, 09:28
I started with many agencies,and in fact I still have several active ports in other agencies,I simply decided to concentrate my efforts on the best agency which is Adobe.
...
what you say makes sense,but in my opinion you are underestimating the advantage of working with a single agency.
Now my goal is to make a good income with Adobe,and then maybe I can think about broadening my horizons in the future.
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what are the advantages of working w a single agency when you're no exclusive?
the advantages are many.
the main one is certainly time.
I have more time to produce more,to index the contents better,which is a very important thing,at the same level as the content.
I had some content that was selling ok,but then I changed the keywords and since I did I sell it much more often.
take care of the portfolio better,see better what sells the most,and I also have the certainty of entrusting my contents to the best hands.
misunderstandings with agencies often arise from someone who steals the content and uploads it everywhere,in other agencies they don't care,at most they delete the content and leave the thieves' port open,with Adobe this doesn't happen.
an example was recently published by Alex on "Brutally Honest" blog:
"Adobe Stock investigated the situation and transferred $29 from the thief's account to Dmitry"
"Dmitry's attempts to recover royalties were largely ignored by Shutterstock and Getty,even though some of the stolen images,may have sold for as much as $372 on Getty (via 500px)".
as you can see,the only agency that showed the seriousness of reimbursing the robbed contributor was Adobe.
working only with Adobe,I have the certainty of entrusting my contents to the best hands,selling at the best prices,I have more time to do anything,furthermore I don't compete with myself with the new and best contents,as it is possible to find them only on Adobe.
the advantages are many,of course if you want short-term money it is not the best strategy,but if you aim for a long-term result in my opinion it is the best strategy.
Quote from: pancaketom on September 04, 2024, 22:38
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 01, 2024, 18:05
if a customer searches for a cockroach,the search will not return much content,so if you have a cockroach it is very likely that you will sell it.
only 65,000+ images and almost 3900 videos, so hardly an empty category (although I suspect getting on the first page of search there would bring decent sales)
I would consider an empty category something that there is only one page of search results - so you can't help but show up on page one.
in any case - getting a $ increase larger than the increase in assets for sale means you are doing something right. In fact I would be pleased to get an increase = to the increase in assets.
Personally, I don't believe it is just having been on adobe longer and I think that is a very small factor in the search algo if at all.
There are only 21,965 real photos of cockroaches on Adobe,
if you have a good real photo of a cockroach it will definitely sell! :D
yes,probably the total number of sales achieved has a greater impact on the search algorithm,but to reach a certain number of sales it still takes time,and today it takes much longer than 10 years ago.
the sales system has an important impact on the total sales made,but in my opinion the most important thing remains what types of content for sale,quantity and the keywords.
today the quantity produced has its own weight,more than the past,lately I have been keeping an average of 200 approved contents per month,which in my opinion is fine,I believe that for to do a good job max 300 is possible,but uploading more than 300 contents per month,in my opinion,means doing them badly,also in terms of indexing.
Quote from: f8 on September 04, 2024, 18:51
I would not be exclusive with any agency, none of them are worth it. I like Adobe but seriously their wait times for inspection are insane. Your images are out of date by the time they get around to approving them. That is bad mojo. That said, even submitting to a half a dozen agencies still barely cover the expenses if at all. It is not a growth industry for the contributor and it will only become worse over time. Throwing all your eggs in one basket in this climate is fiscal suicide.
it is a difficult job that requires a lot of patience,but if you work consistently,the results come over the years.
imo,precisely in this climate,throwing content to any agency is madness,today more than ever we need to be very selective,a good one is better than 10,two good are better than 20.
but for those who have already had a solid portfolio for over 10 years,the situation can be different imo.
I have been a contributor for only 6 years,and I advise those who start today to very carefully select the agencies to which they entrust their work.
I think diversifying across major stock sites is a good strategy as opposed to exclusivity, because success in stock has a significant amount of luck associated with it. In my experience content can sell hundreds of times on one platform and barely any times on others, and it all just depends on whether you got lucky with the algorithm.
Quote from: pancaketom on September 04, 2024, 22:38
I would consider an empty category something that there is only one page of search results - so you can't help but show up on page one.
For me anything below 5000 is an empty category. A lot of the content is newbie fluff stuff, usually 80% is lesser quality than I can produce. In fact, it actually helps my content stand out.
Then gradually over a year at least one of the files will move to page 1-3, which is enough to bring visibility.
My process is slow, but reliable, at least for me.
Quote from: synthetick on September 05, 2024, 13:30
I think diversifying across major stock sites is a good strategy as opposed to exclusivity, because success in stock has a significant amount of luck associated with it. In my experience content can sell hundreds of times on one platform and barely any times on others, and it all just depends on whether you got lucky with the algorithm.
exactly - my sales among SS, AS & DT have always been different, especially since many of my sales are editorial that AS won't accept
exactly,often there is no right or wrong,but only what suits us best.
differences,different points of view often arise from this,because for someone else based on his experience,just can't see the reasons of another who has a different experience.
in the end it's all subjective,it depends on what we prefer and what we think best suits our situation.
after a good day from a production and sales point of view,given that today I sold double my Monday average,after this day I "had fun" calculating the difference between the various Augusts over the years,the results are very interesting and seen in this light they have a completely different perspective.
Adobe August 2024 compared to:
number of sales-earnings
2023: +53% +93%
2022: +77% +225%
2021: +100% +84%
2020: +283% +649%
2019: +1433% +2990% 8)
I understand that there is no question at all that if you continue to work consistently,there will be notable growth over the years,at least this is my experience.
another important fact is certainly that in this month so far AS is about 600% more than SS,I have more content on Adobe,but also on SS I have a large port,600% more in terms of money than SS is impressive!
Keep it up! :)
Selling images on different stock sites might not be diversifying, it's still in the same category. Selling images on FAA or Etsy would be diversifying and may protect you if stock industry would be outsourced to creators in 3rd world countries who would use AI to create everything and be happy with lower prices
Quote from: Mifornia on September 10, 2024, 17:47
Selling images on different stock sites might not be diversifying, it's still in the same category. Selling images on FAA or Etsy would be diversifying and may protect you if stock industry would be outsourced to creators in 3rd world countries who would use AI to create everything and be happy with lower prices
At the moment uploading to FAA, and to Pictorem. And will upload phone images to stock and camera images to print sites. Not sure how good idea is this .
as far as I'm concerned,POD is a waste of time,of course you can sell and earn,even good if you sell,but it's an activity that takes up too much time and the results are not guaranteed.
this is my humble opinion about it,the opinion of someone who is not an expert on the subject but has followed many experiences of those who have ventured into this category.
"3rd world countries who would use AI to create everything and be happy with lower prices?"
It doesn't scare me,it depends on what you create,and I'm sure you know it better than me.
if you create content with AI using not only prompts but also skills that can only be gained over the years,no creator who only uses AI with only prompts will be able to copy your results,in some cases can get close,but it won't be never the same.
or like this,or produce AI in quantity only with prompts why not?that way it works too,but over time they can copy your results.
I prefer to put my own spin on it.
then for the rest,I'm still evaluating whether to continue on Adobe or not,the results are encouraging,but as I said I have to be able to at least achieve an 80% increase in the next 4 years,because unfortunately I'm no longer 30 years old.
Quote from: Shuttershock on September 02, 2024, 12:46
Far too many variables for each person experience in stock to be able to compare your sales to the next, for me Adobe sales are still best performer but are decreasing in 2024 and think it will get worse in 2025 onwards, Shutterstock almost matched Adobe for me this month. Still decent pocket money for 60mins hobby work every week, around $800/month.
Adobe also on the slow decline for me, I think the tide is beginning to turn for this agency (in terms of income for contributors) but I knew it would happen eventually. Although, I'm trying my best to give it one last shot and see if I can fight the tide, so I'll continue this year and early into 2025 with my best work. We'll see what happens but my instincts are shouting out "abandon ship!"
another month is over,it's time for calculations again!
September 2024 compared to September 2023:
-255,3% sales number -189,7% earnings :o (including Firefly bonus)
September 2023 was a month out of the ordinary,the only month out of pattern in more than 6 years,so to have a more real comparison here are another 2 months:
compared to August 2023:
+56,6% sales number +93,05 money (without Firefly bonus)
compared to October 2023:
+34,2% sales +34,2% money (without Firefly bonus)
sales and earnings are increasing,but it is a low increase,I am not satisfied with the results,I should earn more,considering my current portfolio.
and now for all the skeptics of the sales system here is another proof:
I calculated the average number of sales for these first 9 months of 2024,and then i calculated the change in the number of sales compared to the 9-month average.
0=average value of 9 months.
sales numbers per month,compared to the 9 month average:
Jan -4,7
Feb +3,3
Mar +6,3
Apr +0,3
May -8,7
Jun +0,3
Jul +0,3
Aug +1,3
Sep +2,3
as you can see it is too stable and constant to be a simple coincidence,it is clear that there is a system that regulates and distributes customer requests,and therefore sales.
there are also 3 months out of 9 with the exact same number of sales,and another 2 months with 1 or 2 sales of difference.
How many chances are there that in 9 months you will get the exact same number of sales 3 times?If it's a coincidence it's a pretty big coincidence!
this demonstrates the fact that even when there wil be more than a billion content or more in the Adobe Stock library,we will all continue to sell.
Sales are based on a system that regulates and distributes,based on conditions that no one knows exactly what they are,but as far as I'm concerned the existence of this sales system is confirmed,there is sufficient evidence.
however,it is possible that the "range of action" during a year is determined by the amount of useful content that generated at least one sale during the previous year,I do not exclude this possibility.
in any case,all these reasoning aside,my sales will have to increase a lot next year,or I will have to reevaluate my position and the time spent on this job,because unfortunately I am no longer very young,I can't wait too many years.
Injustice for all, have you been banned on iStock? Why?
Quote from: stoker2014 on October 01, 2024, 14:02
Injustice for all, have you been banned on iStock? Why?
Glad to see you picked up on that too, I was going to ask the same question:
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 04, 2024, 09:28
I also worked with Istock before,I worked very hard,I dedicated 4 whole years of my life to Istock,and to do what?To get a nice kick in the butt with an email that arrived in the middle of the night.
it's not like Istock emailed me to tell me:"We encountered this problem,do you have anything to say about it?"
no,they proclaimed themselves judges,jury,prosecution and accused,they did everything themselves,completely getting the evaluation wrong,and destroying 4 and a half years of work in a second.
iStock Exclusive? What happened? No appeal?
This is why exclusive doesn't work. It's also funny to remember people saying Adobe should offer an exclusive program, or SS should, when they would never want that for their own reasons. None of that is about us, or our benefit or gain.
Quote from: Injustice for all on October 01, 2024, 11:33
-255,3% sales number -189,7% earnings
Wow, you are terrible at math!
-100% would mean you had NO sales and NO earnings. You can't get lower than that.
Quote from: amabu on October 01, 2024, 18:32
Quote from: Injustice for all on October 01, 2024, 11:33
-255,3% sales number -189,7% earnings
Wow, you are terrible at math!
-100% would mean you had NO sales and NO earnings. You can't get lower than that.
:D -100% is simply the percentage you earned less than another figure....such as 9375894646853! :D
Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 01, 2024, 17:19
Quote from: stoker2014 on October 01, 2024, 14:02
Injustice for all, have you been banned on iStock? Why?
Glad to see you picked up on that too, I was going to ask the same question:
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 04, 2024, 09:28
I also worked with Istock before,I worked very hard,I dedicated 4 whole years of my life to Istock,and to do what?To get a nice kick in the butt with an email that arrived in the middle of the night.
it's not like Istock emailed me to tell me:"We encountered this problem,do you have anything to say about it?"
no,they proclaimed themselves judges,jury,prosecution and accused,they did everything themselves,completely getting the evaluation wrong,and destroying 4 and a half years of work in a second.
iStock Exclusive? What happened? No appeal?
This is why exclusive doesn't work. It's also funny to remember people saying Adobe should offer an exclusive program, or SS should, when they would never want that for their own reasons. None of that is about us, or our benefit or gain.
with Istock there was simply a misunderstanding,whoever dealt with my case is not an expert in creative software,perhaps he is an expert in business economics,marketing or something else,I don't know,but he certainly doesn't know Photoshop and Illustrator.
I then replied to the email and explained what they were doing wrong,and then they sent me another email in which they changed the reasons for their decision and started accusing me of stealing content from free sites! :D
I honestly have never been interested in free sites,because frankly I consider them a shame and in my opinion they should be illegal,unfortunately we still live in the stone age.
I still have the Istock emails stored,which until now I have not disclosed to protect my work,but not because I am the master of microstock,I am nobody,but I still have my ideas that I want to protect.
I tell you honestly that I didn't sleep at all for a week,then I slowly recovered.
now after a long time I realize that they did me a favor and I am happy to work with Adobe,because regardless of the results,I know I am putting my work and my time in the best hands.
Quote from: Injustice for all on October 01, 2024, 21:52
Quote from: amabu on October 01, 2024, 18:32
Quote from: Injustice for all on October 01, 2024, 11:33
-255,3% sales number -189,7% earnings
Wow, you are terrible at math!
-100% would mean you had NO sales and NO earnings. You can't get lower than that.
:D -100% is simply the percentage you earned less than another figure....such as 9375894646853! :D
9375894646853 -100% = 0
Maybe you should spend mor time to investigate the "math system" instead of your imageined " adobe sales system" .
Quote from: amabu on October 02, 2024, 04:51
Quote from: Injustice for all on October 01, 2024, 21:52
Quote from: amabu on October 01, 2024, 18:32
Quote from: Injustice for all on October 01, 2024, 11:33
-255,3% sales number -189,7% earnings
Wow, you are terrible at math!
-100% would mean you had NO sales and NO earnings. You can't get lower than that.
:D -100% is simply the percentage you earned less than another figure....such as 9375894646853! :D
9375894646853 -100% = 0
Maybe you should spend mor time to investigate the "math system" instead of your imageined " adobe sales system" .
You really don't know when it's time to end it,right? :D
I understand that you mean 100% as the total value.
I,on the other hand,say that in September 2023 I earned 189% more,so I write -189% this September 2024.
Is it clearer now?Am I somehow more to your liking this way? :D
about my "imaginary sales system"
perhaps you can explain to me why in 9 months this year I had the same and identical number of sales for 3 months and another 2 months with a difference of 1 and two sales,with a max difference of 8 sales in 9 months.
in your opinion it is a pure coincidence that every month,since the beginning of this year,I have practically the same number of sales every month!
but do you realize how likely something like this is to happen by chance,in a library of over half a billion contents,among hundreds of thousands of contributors?
In your opinion,how is it possible that in such a context there can be such evident stability?
Do you have any other case studies of contributors experiencing this sort of evident stability? It's not my own personal experience on AS.
Quote from: synthetick on October 02, 2024, 11:38
Do you have any other case studies of contributors experiencing this sort of evident stability? It's not my own personal experience on AS.
no and it's all purely based on my experience.
but does it really matter?
I don't know your number of sales per month for at least 1 or 2 years,but even if you have a higher variation,it doesn't mean much.
How do you think I can have the same number of sales every month for nine months?
is it a pure coincidence?
come on,it's impossible!
Quote from: synthetick on October 02, 2024, 11:38
Do you have any other case studies of contributors experiencing this sort of evident stability? It's not my own personal experience on AS.
Not mine. ;D My sales vary by season and because I have some seasonal items that do better from October to January.
Quote from: Injustice for all on October 02, 2024, 12:45
Quote from: synthetick on October 02, 2024, 11:38
Do you have any other case studies of contributors experiencing this sort of evident stability? It's not my own personal experience on AS.
no and it's all purely based on my experience.
but does it really matter?
How do you think I can have the same number of sales every month for nine months?
come on,it's impossible!
Yes it matters, that you only use the numbers from your sales and ignore the rest of the universe.
No it's not impossible, you have proven that by your own numbers. :)
The answer is you must have a good balance of content and diversity, your downloads stay fairly consistent. Nice work.
Quote from: Injustice for all on October 02, 2024, 09:49
Quote from: amabu on October 02, 2024, 04:51
Quote from: Injustice for all on October 01, 2024, 21:52
Quote from: amabu on October 01, 2024, 18:32
Quote from: Injustice for all on October 01, 2024, 11:33
-255,3% sales number -189,7% earnings
Wow, you are terrible at math!
-100% would mean you had NO sales and NO earnings. You can't get lower than that.
:D -100% is simply the percentage you earned less than another figure....such as 9375894646853! :D
9375894646853 -100% = 0
Maybe you should spend mor time to investigate the "math system" instead of your imageined " adobe sales system" .
You really don't know when it's time to end it,right? :D
I understand that you mean 100% as the total value.
I,on the other hand,say that in September 2023 I earned 189% more,so I write -189% this September 2024.
Is it clearer now?Am I somehow more to your liking this way? :D
about my "imaginary sales system"
perhaps you can explain to me why in 9 months this year I had the same and identical number of sales for 3 months and another 2 months with a difference of 1 and two sales,with a max difference of 8 sales in 9 months.
in your opinion it is a pure coincidence that every month,since the beginning of this year,I have practically the same number of sales every month!
but do you realize how likely something like this is to happen by chance,in a library of over half a billion contents,among hundreds of thousands of contributors?
In your opinion,how is it possible that in such a context there can be such evident stability?
I don't really understand how you come up with these percentages. Say in 2023 you earned 100$, then I would say -189% would be you lost $89 and +50% would mean you made $150.
It sounds like you are saying -189% means you earned 52.91. I would say that was -47% or that I earned 53% of 2023 income.
As far as variability goes, my earnings are nowhere near as consistent as yours. If there are lots of contributors chances are some are going to have very steady incomes and some will be very variable though. The larger the time period you look at, the smaller the variability should be. Humans can find all sorts of patterns in actual random events, and for various reasons, sales really aren't random.
In September 2023 I earned 189% more than in September 2024.
and that's all,there's nothing else to add.
regarding the sales system,if you have a different opinion,I respect it but I don't share it.
from my point of view,it seems really strange that you cannot see this thing so obvious,clear as sunlight.
even just the fact that we all sell something every day,some more than others,but all of us,in the context in which we find ourselves,with over half a billion contents,and hundreds of thousands of contributors,just this is practically impossible,without a system that manages sales.
not to mention the stability with which we all sell,some more steadily,some less,but from what I've seen,we all have "a range of action" that tends to increase over time,as long as we continue to work.
If you don't see it,don't share it,think I'm crazy or whatever you want,I don't care.
I respect your opinions,I don't share them,but ok,it doesn't matter.
what matters to me is that next year I start earning more.
This week,it started with a different pace,a clear improvement,i hope it continues because I would like to continue this work.
I'm happy with the kind of work I've been doing since few months and it's starting to bear fruit.
I think it's best for me to focus on work and take a break from the forum.
I'll talk to you again in a little while,maybe a few months or weeks,I don't know.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me! :)
In the meantime I wish you all,really all of you,all the best! :)
The world is beautiful because it is varied,it's a shame we have little time to enjoy it!
In September 24 you earned a lot less than in September 23?
How is that possible, you greatly increased the size of your port?
Quote from: pancaketom on October 02, 2024, 19:05
The larger the time period you look at, the smaller the variability should be. Humans can find all sorts of patterns in actual random events, and for various reasons, sales really aren't random.
Backwards from my perspective, correct, sales aren't random and they also aren't controlled. There needs to be a need, and that varies.
Yes, humans see patterns where there are none. Our brains are creative and make associations, sometimes coincidence can look like a pattern.
A larger sample of sales over a longer time, will show less variation.
Last one, which you and other may have answered. The longer that anyone is trying to earn money from Stock Photos, the more images you add, will not produce a proportional or steady gain in income, at the same rate that the earlier images did. Maybe for some people, if they learn and change, but just adding more, new and better, doesn't always equal the same return.
I don't want to be negative, but the facts are and have been and will be:
Microstock is not going to make a comeback. If someone has a RPI of $## for 100 images, they will not have 10 times the RPI for 1,000 images. There is no direct one to one correlation between the number of images and the earnings. The commissions and sales are dropping across the industry. The growth of the stock image industry has slowed or halted.
Images get old, and don't earn as much as they did when they were new.
I made more on SS or IS in a day, some days, 15 years ago, than I make in a month now. I have the same images and many more. How's that for growth? (note: IS did remove my Motorsports images). I made more in the first year at Alamy, for single image sales, than I do in a year for all my sales. I have thousands more images.
Adobe continues to grow for me, or has? But I'm pretty sure I've hit the wall there for income. Steady and holding is far better than anyplace else, as all the rest are making me less and less, every year.
Hello everyone!I hope to find you all well! :)
I have been and am currently very busy,sleepless nights,pre-cooked food etc...! :D
my results for October and November:
October +65,7% sales +94,0% money
November +91% sales +153,8% money (thanks to some good video sales)
but I want to underline that although I am clearly pleased to see these numbers,I am still a long way from blue skies.
I still earn little,in my opinion,too little for my portfolio.
the beginning of next year will be decisive for me,whether or not to continue working with Adobe Stock,because based on how the first 2-3 months go I will already know how the rest of the year will go.
the increase is there,but this increase is very little compared to 2023,but it must also be said that in 2023 I had an out of the ordinary month of September with a day in which I sold 150 sales in a couple of hours for example,this is why this September 2024 went worse than September 2023,and if I take this into consideration,this year went significantly better than 2023.
As I have said many times in the past,I am more than sure that my sales will continue to increase,but unfortunately this growth is slow,really too slow,and I no longer have all this time,since I am middle-aged,I I'm not 30 or younger,if that were the case,wow!these results would be amazing! :D
So at this point I have to make a decision,because the time I have left is what it is,I would like to continue working with Adobe Stock,I have so many ideas for new content that I no longer know where to write them (yes I have the idea book),I hope I will have the chance to implement all these ideas,and the results continue to give me hope because I really need it,as I think all of us!