Author Topic: Adobe sales (Read 15790 times)

HalfFull · « **Reply #50 on:** March 30, 2023, 06:55 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on March 21, 2023, 13:46

This article may help explain why the number of "custom" versus "subscription" royalties has been growing so fast in the last couple of months:

https://petapixel.com/2023/03/21/adobe-fights-off-canva-by-making-its-alternative-impossible-to-ignore/

Interesting read and goes someway to explain the improvements of late. The first three months of this year have continued the form of 2022 with good increases. Approx 3.5k dls this month so far with 8.5k for the year. That said, SS has had a better month as well but they're nowhere near AS at this point.

wordplanet · « **Reply #51 on:** March 30, 2023, 11:28 »

Thanks for sharing that link. I was encouraged by the significant growth in income from Adobe this year, (over 100% from Jan-March 2022) but assumed the 75% increase in March over February was just a fluke, but I'm hopeful now that it will remain steady. We'll have to see how the rest of the year goes.

Bauman · « **Reply #52 on:** March 31, 2023, 05:02 »

I am not happy with Adobe sales.

Too few extended licenses (only 1 in 2023).

In March, Shutterstock (I'm level 5) did 3x better than Adobe, and the RPD (SS $0.84 - AS $0.73) is also better thanks to many great value single and extended license sales.

wds · « **Reply #53 on:** March 31, 2023, 11:56 »

Quote from: Bauman on March 31, 2023, 05:02

I am not happy with Adobe sales.

Too few extended licenses (only 1 in 2023).

In March, Shutterstock (I'm level 5) did 3x better than Adobe, and the RPD (SS $0.84 - AS $0.73) is also better thanks to many great value single and extended license sales.

Interesting. Are you primarily stills or video?
I am primarily stills and my experience is the opposite. It used to be that SS was the clear $$ leader, but AS seems to be whizzing by with SS in the rear view mirror.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #54 on:** March 31, 2023, 12:24 »

Quote from: wds on March 31, 2023, 11:56

Quote from: Bauman on March 31, 2023, 05:02
I am not happy with Adobe sales.

Too few extended licenses (only 1 in 2023).

In March, Shutterstock (I'm level 5) did 3x better than Adobe, and the RPD (SS $0.84 - AS $0.73) is also better thanks to many great value single and extended license sales.

Interesting. Are you primarily stills or video?
I am primarily stills and my experience is the opposite. It used to be that SS was the clear $$ leader, but AS seems to be whizzing by with SS in the rear view mirror.

I share Bauman's experience.

Portfolio of about 13,000 stills, no videos.
With Shutterstock 2 -3 times as many downloads and significantly more higher sales than with Adobe that compensate well for the 10 cent crap.

cascoly · « **Reply #55 on:** March 31, 2023, 13:37 »

same here - 60% higher earnings from SS over AS

Dumc · « **Reply #56 on:** April 01, 2023, 14:03 »

Another BME (March) on Adobe with 460 sales and €310 (without any big sale, just regular sales). Back in the day, earning €140 on Adobe was considered very good month for me , so, thats quite an increase in sales and earnings.

SS in March: 140dls, $45. SS is becoming new 123rf for me

PhotoBomb · « **Reply #57 on:** April 01, 2023, 16:06 »

Adobe had been out performing SS this year until March when SS was $55.01 up over Adobe.
But YTD Adobe is $431 up over SS.
Portfolio size is 12,160 Adobe vs. 14,740 on SS

edit: Adobe has 211 more DL's ytd than SS.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #58 on:** April 01, 2023, 16:19 »

Very seldom did my AS overtake SS (only 5 times out of the past 110 months)

stocky · « **Reply #59 on:** April 02, 2023, 11:17 »

Another BME at Adobe Stock. 35% higher that Shutterstock

stoker2014 · « **Reply #60 on:** April 03, 2023, 03:31 »

Sales on adobe stopped, no sales.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #61 on:** May 25, 2023, 09:56 »

There was some discussion of Adobe sales in another thread, so I thought I'd update my tracking of the change in the mix of custom versus subscription sales and falling RPD (I only have photos and a few illustrations; no video).

Both downloads and $$ at Adobe Stock continue to beat last year's numbers, which is obviously good. May isn't over yet and already the numbers are 15% higher in $$ and 33% in DLs over all of May in 2022 (and May 2022 was 25% higher than 2021, so it's not just a rebound situation).

Revenue per download continues its decline and the proportion of "custom" downloads (versus "subscription") grows. There isn't a drop at the bottom end of royalties, which is good news. I still very occasionally see a 33¢ download although none this month. Otherwise it's 38¢ and up for everything. This week I saw a custom royalty for $16.50 which I assume is a very discounted extended license (that'd be a $26.40 royalty at list price for an EL). If I exclude that one license, May 2023 has an overall RPD of 64¢ versus May 2022 at 78¢

In May 2022, subscriptions were just over twice the number of custom downloads; subs RPD was 74¢ and custom RPD 87¢
In May 2023, custom were just about equal with subscriptions (6 more custom); subs RPD was 66¢ and custom RPD 63¢
If you go back to May 2021, subs were 7x custom and the overall RPD was 80¢

Looking at the year to date, the RPD is 70¢ - in 2020, the overall RPD was 95¢. I guess the question is whether the volume of downloads can rise enough to offset the reduced royalties, assuming these trends continue.

pancaketom · « **Reply #62 on:** May 25, 2023, 12:35 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on May 25, 2023, 09:56

There was some discussion of Adobe sales in another thread, so I thought I'd update my tracking of the change in the mix of custom versus subscription sales and falling RPD (I only have photos and a few illustrations; no video).

Both downloads and $$ at Adobe Stock continue to beat last year's numbers, which is obviously good. May isn't over yet and already the numbers are 15% higher in $$ and 33% in DLs over all of May in 2022 (and May 2022 was 25% higher than 2021, so it's not just a rebound situation).

Revenue per download continues its decline and the proportion of "custom" downloads (versus "subscription") grows. There isn't a drop at the bottom end of royalties, which is good news. I still very occasionally see a 33¢ download although none this month. Otherwise it's 38¢ and up for everything. This week I saw a custom royalty for $16.50 which I assume is a very discounted extended license (that'd be a $26.40 royalty at list price for an EL). If I exclude that one license, May 2023 has an overall RPD of 64¢ versus May 2022 at 78¢

In May 2022, subscriptions were just over twice the number of custom downloads; subs RPD was 74¢ and custom RPD 87¢
In May 2023, custom were just about equal with subscriptions (6 more custom); subs RPD was 66¢ and custom RPD 63¢
If you go back to May 2021, subs were 7x custom and the overall RPD was 80¢

Looking at the year to date, the RPD is 70¢ - in 2020, the overall RPD was 95¢. I guess the question is whether the volume of downloads can rise enough to offset the reduced royalties, assuming these trends continue.

Thanks for the interesting analysis. One question - has the increase in total DL outpaced the increase in size of your port - either in comparison to previous port size or compared to Adobe as a whole? In any case - total revenue going up is good. Prices dropping not so much. I am also glad to see the bottom isn't dropping as it is at many other sites.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #63 on:** May 25, 2023, 12:59 »

Quote from: pancaketom on May 25, 2023, 12:35

...One question - has the increase in total DL outpaced the increase in size of your port - either in comparison to previous port size or compared to Adobe as a whole?...

My portfolio isn't that large (2,335 today) and hasn't grown much in the last couple of years. I haven't kept track of portfolio growth by date as it's been so (a) erratic - I do this part time as I have time to spare, and (b) small.

Bottom line is that my growth in sales isn't because I've been an upload demon

And without knowing exactly what Adobe's growth has been, I have been keeping track of some stats (started when the free collection started) and April 2022 there were 190,203,517 photos and May 2023, 202,460,892 (I have overall size, but that included Pond5 videos going away which skewed things a bit). That was about 6.5% growth and is much less than the sales growth I'm seeing.

I did make PNGs of some of my isolated photos last year sometime which is sort of growth but sort of not (as in the images didn't change, just the availability in a useful format), so you could subtract about 50 from my port size for that

Injustice for all · « **Reply #64 on:** May 25, 2023, 14:57 »

Money earned in the first 5 months of the year compared to the same month of 2022

Jan 35% up
Feb 190% up
Mar 123% up
Apr 66% up
May 40% up so far

at this rate I think around August,I will have already reached the total of 2022

Jeffrey · « **Reply #65 on:** May 25, 2023, 18:52 »

My Adobe sales are better than Shutter. I still upload photos and illustrations at SS, but I no longer upload sets of icons (more than one icons in one file). I only upload them at Adobe.

pangamedia · « **Reply #66 on:** May 25, 2023, 18:57 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on May 25, 2023, 09:56

In May 2022, subscriptions were just over twice the number of custom downloads; subs RPD was 74¢ and custom RPD 87¢. In May 2023, custom were just about equal with subscriptions (6 more custom); subs RPD was 66¢ and custom RPD 63¢ If you go back to May 2021, subs were 7x custom and the overall RPD was 80¢

Your stats made me curious so I've been looking at mine as well (Read the full article with images here: https://pangamediaanalytics.com/blog/adobestock-highest-earning-microstock-agency/).

My RPD is very close to yours (slightly higher) for both subs and custom. Rate 'subs' versus 'custom' downloads shows the same trend over the years 2023-2021 (I've included images in my article).

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on May 25, 2023, 09:56

Looking at the year to date, the RPD is 70¢ - in 2020, the overall RPD was 95¢. I guess the question is whether the volume of downloads can rise enough to offset the reduced royalties, assuming these trends continue.

For photos I think it is clear that the volume of downloads has risen enough to offset the reduced royalties (at least in my portfolio/earnings). Especially as the reduce in royalty is minimal for photos? It will become problematic however if those 'custom' downloads become subscriptions which will be another (larger) reduce in royalties. Something I think might happen somewhere in the future.
Note: I also looked at my portfolio size and from which upload year most of my earnings are (which is <2023).

For videos, my downloads are increasing atm and a similar trend hopefully happens as with photos (but with a lag of ±half a year?). However, unlikely Adobestock will beat other agencies in the near future with video sales, at least if I look at my portfolio.

Dumc · « **Reply #67 on:** May 26, 2023, 14:12 »

Quote from: pancaketom on May 25, 2023, 12:35

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on May 25, 2023, 09:56
There was some discussion of Adobe sales in another thread, so I thought I'd update my tracking of the change in the mix of custom versus subscription sales and falling RPD (I only have photos and a few illustrations; no video).

Both downloads and $$ at Adobe Stock continue to beat last year's numbers, which is obviously good. May isn't over yet and already the numbers are 15% higher in $$ and 33% in DLs over all of May in 2022 (and May 2022 was 25% higher than 2021, so it's not just a rebound situation).

Revenue per download continues its decline and the proportion of "custom" downloads (versus "subscription") grows. There isn't a drop at the bottom end of royalties, which is good news. I still very occasionally see a 33¢ download although none this month. Otherwise it's 38¢ and up for everything. This week I saw a custom royalty for $16.50 which I assume is a very discounted extended license (that'd be a $26.40 royalty at list price for an EL). If I exclude that one license, May 2023 has an overall RPD of 64¢ versus May 2022 at 78¢

In May 2022, subscriptions were just over twice the number of custom downloads; subs RPD was 74¢ and custom RPD 87¢
In May 2023, custom were just about equal with subscriptions (6 more custom); subs RPD was 66¢ and custom RPD 63¢
If you go back to May 2021, subs were 7x custom and the overall RPD was 80¢

Looking at the year to date, the RPD is 70¢ - in 2020, the overall RPD was 95¢. I guess the question is whether the volume of downloads can rise enough to offset the reduced royalties, assuming these trends continue.

Thanks for the interesting analysis. One question - has the increase in total DL outpaced the increase in size of your port - either in comparison to previous port size or compared to Adobe as a whole? In any case - total revenue going up is good. Prices dropping not so much. I am also glad to see the bottom isn't dropping as it is at many other sites.

Worthless analysis. At the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is total earnings at the and of the month.

cobalt · « **Reply #68 on:** May 26, 2023, 15:15 »

FWIW, in May 2022 I earned 12 dollars on Adobe. Hadn‘t really added anything in 10 years. (1300 files)

Started uploading again late summer, added 700 files, now have 2000. This month I will earn around 140 dollars.

Obviously it is years until a decent income, but at least the port is waking up again, old bestsellers getting fresh sales.

Even ai sales are beginning to slowly pick up.

Just another 30 000 files missing for a livable income….

ETA

Just realized this is a duplicate post…me stupid, sorry

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #69 on:** May 26, 2023, 16:22 »

Quote from: Dumc on May 26, 2023, 14:12

...At the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is total earnings at the and of the month.

If you think about this a little more, which month are you thinking of - this month, May 2024, May 2018...? I'd argue you can't think so narrowly and look at only one month.

It isn't hard to come up with scenarios where you have great monthly earnings, but only for a short time before the whole business model collapses. Watching trends that give an idea of where things are going, or opting out of trends that long term are not good for contributors, may help us as a group.

Pacesetter · « **Reply #70 on:** May 26, 2023, 17:09 »

Seems as if Adobe Stock is successfully gaining customers from other agencies. I cannot believe how dead Shutterstock went this past week (and Pond5 no better) and struggling for most of this month and yet Adobe Stock has been powering on. The attached from 26 May 2023 shows what you can earn in one day with a couple of decent video sales. I've also been reporting Adobe Stock was at the bottom of the four main agencies I contribute to for YTD earnings. Adobe has now passed ahead of Pond5 (YTD) and tracking to pass iStock - less iStock picks up.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #71 on:** May 26, 2023, 22:01 »

Quote from: Pacesetter on May 26, 2023, 17:09

Seems as if Adobe Stock is successfully gaining customers from other agencies. I cannot believe how dead Shutterstock went this past week (and Pond5 no better) and struggling for most of this month and yet Adobe Stock has been powering on. The attached from 26 May 2023 shows what you can earn in one day with a couple of decent video sales. I've also been reporting Adobe Stock was at the bottom of the four main agencies I contribute to for YTD earnings. Adobe has now passed ahead of Pond5 (YTD) and tracking to pass iStock - less iStock picks up.

I have earned 93% more on SS so far this year,compared to last year,and yesterday May 26th was the day in this year that I made the most sales,but not the day I earned the most,which was March 23th.

on AS this last week was the best of this month.

But the most important difference I noticed is the amount of new content sold on AS which is much higher.

since 2018 only photos,illustrations and vectors.

Dumc · « **Reply #72 on:** May 29, 2023, 22:37 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on May 26, 2023, 16:22

Quote from: Dumc on May 26, 2023, 14:12
...At the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is total earnings at the and of the month.

If you think about this a little more, which month are you thinking of - this month, May 2024, May 2018...? I'd argue you can't think so narrowly and look at only one month.

It isn't hard to come up with scenarios where you have great monthly earnings, but only for a short time before the whole business model collapses. Watching trends that give an idea of where things are going, or opting out of trends that long term are not good for contributors, may help us as a group.

Every month in a year. I thought it was obvious. Sorry, my bad.

FHphotography · « **Reply #73 on:** May 30, 2023, 07:08 »

My sales have gone down past 2 months

. I feel like some of my port is like shut off. Maybe because of the buyout, they have shot off the selected pictures? I don`t know. And I keep uploading and uploading. Will see if this will change after the buyout. But truly sad, Adobe has done so well and have grown and now the drop.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #74 on:** May 30, 2023, 11:41 »

Quote from: Pacesetter on May 26, 2023, 17:09

Seems as if Adobe Stock is successfully gaining customers from other agencies. I cannot believe how dead Shutterstock went this past week (and Pond5 no better) and struggling for most of this month and yet Adobe Stock has been powering on. The attached from 26 May 2023 shows what you can earn in one day with a couple of decent video sales. I've also been reporting Adobe Stock was at the bottom of the four main agencies I contribute to for YTD earnings. Adobe has now passed ahead of Pond5 (YTD) and tracking to pass iStock - less iStock picks up.

What I always questioned was the SS earnings and stock reports to investors and the general consensus for the stock image market, how endless it was and how much potential for more customers and more earnings.

Yet as you suspect and I do as well, what we see is more of a shifting of the same buyers, from agency to agency. When IS was the top, there were all kinds of others, trying to gain their higher market share. SS started to get more buyers by offering different programs and ways to buy. IS dropped, SS went up. Now Adobe is growing and more interesting for people who use images and going up for us, while SS is going down.

I don't see the market as huge and open for growth as the people promoting Stock Image Sales want to have us believe. I'm not saying it's dead, but the overall growth has slowed. Now we're seeing buyers who are shopping for more than the best price and are looking for the best images and videos, for their needs.

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HalfFull

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cascoly

Dumc

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stocky

stoker2014

Jo Ann Snover

pancaketom

Jo Ann Snover

Injustice for all

Jeffrey

pangamedia

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cobalt

Jo Ann Snover

Pacesetter

Injustice for all

Dumc

FHphotography

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