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« on: April 19, 2008, 05:54 »
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some russian guy has entire portfolio of stolen images... lol.



« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2008, 06:35 »
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What is there to laugh about?

RT


« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2008, 06:44 »
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For an image as obvious as Scott Maxwells it makes you wonder how . it ever got past the reviewer.

I presume you've informed FT about this.

« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2008, 07:08 »
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This might be the same guy with the stolen images at DT.

It makes sense, since if he purchased all of the images from SS via subscription, then he would probably want to get the most bang for his buck and submit them to all of the agencies.

« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2008, 07:40 »
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I presume you've informed FT about this.

of course.

« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2008, 07:42 »
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What is there to laugh about?


human stupidity for thinking they can sell someone elses work.

RT


« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2008, 08:04 »
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I've sent a message to Scott (lumaxart3d) about this so if he hasn't already done so he can conatct Fotolia.

RT


« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2008, 08:06 »
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What is there to laugh about?


human stupidity for thinking they can sell someone elses work.

But apart from the stupidity of the guy doing it what about the complete stupidity of both the mentioned sites for allowing it to happen, I mean an isolated apple I could understand but Scott is famous for the gold men, you can't tell me any reviewer on any site wouldn't recongnise them.

jsnover

« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2008, 10:21 »
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This might be the same guy with the stolen images at DT.

It makes sense, since if he purchased all of the images from SS via subscription, then he would probably want to get the most bang for his buck and submit them to all of the agencies.

It's the same name as is on the DT account, Pavel Andriyanov. Did Fotolia act faster and take this stuff down already? I can't access the image by the number Chode posted. If so, I'm glad to see they've jumped right on it.

« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2008, 10:22 »
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A curious post was made to this extent.
It is questionable, and unknown if in fact the reviewers are given the names of contributors
at the time they are reviewing the images. If this is the case, then you can well see how this could happen.

The MIZ

RT


« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2008, 11:16 »
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A curious post was made to this extent.
It is questionable, and unknown if in fact the reviewers are given the names of contributors
at the time they are reviewing the images. If this is the case, then you can well see how this could happen.

The MIZ

Ummm.... I can't say for all the sites but the majority of them certainly know who the submitter is.

« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2008, 11:20 »
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How long will it take for this thread to be locked, or even deleted, at Dreamstime? Lumaxart2d has made an appearance on the DT board and his clock is ticking  :) Good for him in posting outright.  

http://www.dreamstime.com/thread_9737

Thread Title: Pavel Andriyanov Zillman98 what

« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2008, 11:37 »
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It appears tha Zillman98 is also masquerading as his own referred member, muhamed2525 on DT. Here is yet aother matchup. There are many more

Shutterstock version, believed to be the original artist

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-10207735-shiny-light-bulb.html

DT version, under user Muhamed2525

http://www.dreamstime.com/3d-blue-bulbs-image4828302

Looks like the DT people will be cleanup up quite the sh$tstorm on Monday.

« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2008, 12:17 »
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It appears tha Zillman98 is also masquerading as his own referred member, muhamed2525 on DT. Here is yet aother matchup. There are many more

Shutterstock version, believed to be the original artist

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-10207735-shiny-light-bulb.html

DT version, under user Muhamed2525

http://www.dreamstime.com/3d-blue-bulbs-image4828302

Looks like the DT people will be cleanup up quite the sh$tstorm on Monday.



has anyone responded to your emails re this theft?

i think i am going to stop uploading for now.  :o
although no one would steal mine, attila calls them snapshots anyway  ;D ;D ;D
seriously, i don't UL my original size anyway, only the small and medium
reduction. so in a way, a theft of my photos isn't that attractive, huh?
they're not big seller either... at least not yet ;)
« Last Edit: April 19, 2008, 12:23 by joma st »

« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2008, 12:32 »
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No responses from DT at this moment. I think on weekends they just do some server babysitting and that may be all. But I have written at least a half dozen, and have even provided links to what I truly perceive to be the original artists - that is the links from Shutterstock and istock, which point to a variety of user names that have been hit. Others have written as well, so they may be in for quite a surprise on Monday morning.

« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2008, 12:44 »
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some russian guy has entire portfolio of stolen images... lol.




they can't prosecute him for copyright theft in russia, i guess.

what about the other sites? eg. FP . he could have tons there since it's not a rejection procedure but just an approval method that your photos are stock compliance, which all these "stolen" best sellers are.
if so, it would be good to informed FP as she is always quick in responding to us.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2008, 12:46 by joma st »

jsnover

« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2008, 12:52 »
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I did check BigStock and StockXpert using the microphone shot (against the lights) and Scott's trophy guy. The thief changes the keywords, but even using the ones he used at DT, I can't find either of those images.

I didn't check iStock as I figured their upload limits would be discouraging to someone trying to make a quick buck.

« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2008, 12:57 »
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Sorry don't know about copyright laws in Russia. DOn't even know if they have signed on to abide by International Treaties.

Here is a link to the Pavel port on Fotolia. Looks like he is just getting busy there.

http://us.fotolia.com/p/200626358

And since that Oscar statue just stood out, here is another rip link for the original (I think) artist that I found on a quick search

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-3289745--d-rendered-gold-man.html

Shutterstock definitely has a case here because it is one of ther special rights images.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2008, 13:00 by snurder »

jsnover

« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2008, 13:01 »
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But Scott's gold guy with a trophy isn't in the portfolio you pointed to - did they just take down that one image after Chode notified them?

The oscar statue render is available elsewhere, not just at SS, so it still doesn't prove where the thief obtained the images.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2008, 13:05 by jsnover »

jsnover

« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2008, 13:03 »
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Here's another stolen one in the Fotolia port you referenced:
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-2912967-magic-book.html
http://us.fotolia.com/id/7158637

« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2008, 13:04 »
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But Scott's gold guy with a trophy isn't in the portfolio you pointed to - did they just take down that one image after Chode notified them?

I think it may have come down quickly. The DT people just an weekend vacation is all  :)

On FO, they seem to work weekends as I recall getting image appvals there on Sat/Sun.

« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2008, 13:11 »
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Sorry don't know about copyright laws in Russia. DOn't even know if they have signed on to abide by International Treaties.

I don't think it's a matter of laws in Russia.  The person signs a contract with a company and when he uploads the material he confirms he own copyrights on those images.

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2008, 13:13 »
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Well this has been quite an education for all of us. I wish I had the time and energy to notify all the individual artists, but I don't today as I have some "real" work to do. If any of the infringed are known to you, please notify them. Lumaxrt2d already vocal on the DT board, but there are many still unsuspecting at this point about the ripping of their images.

If you have anymore "finds" good to post them.

I will inform on any replies I get from DT, or on my banishment from the service. I may have hit a big giant nerve there with my Anyar Admin query, since it was quite direct and to the point.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2008, 13:14 by snurder »

« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2008, 13:32 »
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Hey... he stole one of mine with another name (Sergey Andriyanov) and pseudo  >:(

http://www.dreamstime.com/light-bulbs-image4828381


« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2008, 17:33 »
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If any of you find threads on any of these sites pertaining to this subject, would you please be so kind as to post them here? I cannot find any and I'm EXTREMELY curious to see how the individual sites "deal" with the posts. If they close them or punish any of the "posters", this might lend credibility to the "insider" speculations.

THX

« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2008, 18:26 »
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If any of you find threads on any of these sites pertaining to this subject, would you please be so kind as to post them here? I cannot find any and I'm EXTREMELY curious to see how the individual sites "deal" with the posts. If they close them or punish any of the "posters", this might lend credibility to the "insider" speculations.

THX


Here is the thread that Lumaxart2D started at DT. The last post right now is by one of the Admins saying "awww c'mon, they're off for the weekend. give em a break..."

http://www.dreamstime.com/thread_9737

And I personally admonished them via private email for having a Site Admin that was first to link the offender as a fave photog, so just counting the minutes till my account suspension. They have done it for stranger reasons. For instance the saga of a Polish girl reporting a blog article as "useful" when it was just chatter. The girl just automatically marked it because she knew the photog name or was a friend. Happened fairly recently. Don't know f you can access blog posts from the outside world, but here's the link anyway

http://blog.dreamstime.com/2008/03/25/to-apologize-and-warn_art25856

As far as sites like SS, IS FO etc, well just hoping some of the active people there check in here as well and see what is going on.

Contakt

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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2008, 12:46 »
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deleted under duress  ;D
« Last Edit: April 20, 2008, 18:27 by Contakt »

« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2008, 12:51 »
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Contakt,

That's gotta be the top funniest responses of all time!
I just about p*ssed my pants when I read it.

You have a unique sense of humor that runs parallel  to mine.
Thank you soooo much for making my day.

The MIZ

« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2008, 12:55 »
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Ouch. Watch what you say.  Contakt I suggest you delete your last post before you get banned from that site.   Even though I'm sure it was an attempt at humor it comes across as a personal attack and PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM AGENCIES FOR WHAT THEY SAY ON PUBLIC FORUMS.  

jsnover

« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2008, 14:47 »
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@Contakt, funny or not, I think you need to judge people by their actions, not their ponytails or national origin. In general, the principals at DT have played things straight.

I won't defend the fact that their lax review process has permitted this outrageous theft, but I don't think it's fair to go from that to suggesting regional conspiracies or knowing and not caring.

« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2008, 14:54 »
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As noted on one of the related threads here, I just sent a listing of supporting info off to Fotolia regarding the stolen images that now reside on their site. Sent along your Magic Book link, and some others.

« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2008, 15:15 »
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Contakt,

You have a unique sense of humor that runs parallel  to mine.

I'm living in a country where nobody would find anything funny in Contakt's post. I guess we are not living in the same country The MIZ.

Even though I'm sure it was an attempt at humor it comes across as a personal attack.   

It's not a personal attack: it's an attack against a group of people based on their origin. There is a word for that I think.

What a pity to see such comment here.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2008, 15:18 by araminta »

Contakt

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« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2008, 16:39 »
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Ouch. Watch what you say.  Contakt I suggest you delete your last post before you get banned from that site.   Even though I'm sure it was an attempt at humor it comes across as a personal attack and PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BANNED FROM AGENCIES FOR WHAT THEY SAY ON PUBLIC FORUMS.   

yeah the word is predjudissed but I swear to god i am so pissed off @ seeing so many images still up there on DT belong ing to hard work peeps I don't care if they barn me. Let them. I dont wan b associated with knackers who permit theft an turn a blind eye.

« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2008, 16:55 »
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Yes, I agree that it is upsetting seeing this sort of theft occurring. 

But, unfortunately, Contact, a person is often not remembered for the overall good they did in their life, but for their worst moment.  Now I cannot picture Hugh Grant without that prostitute or Mel Gibson without his racial slurs.  In your case, it is your above post. 

« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2008, 17:14 »
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OR, could it be that Scott has decided to create 2 logins for the same portfolio. I was thinking about that.

jsnover

« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2008, 17:20 »
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In addition to the fact that Scott complained about this on the DT forums, the reason this is clearly theft is that the work of a number of known artists (who've been around a number of years) shows up in one portfolio. There's no explanation for that other than theft.

« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2008, 21:22 »
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I have two accounts in FP, but for different portfolios.  I see no reason why someone would do that for the same portfolio, unless it's something unethical (like being his own referral).  Am I missing something?

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2008, 23:47 »
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I think it comes down to simple exposure. The more accounts you would create the greater the number of sales. I don't have a lot of faith in people searching through thousands of images of "organic orange" and picking my own.

While I have not done it, I think duplicating your portfoliio would go close to duplicating your sales.

« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2008, 04:25 »
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My recent posts to Fotolia Forum:

How long will it take to be removed?
Hi Scott - Have you informed Support, they don't always come into the forums ?
Yes and sent an email to Chad
Hi Scott - he should be back to you after the weekend then if not before.

Congratulations on your Emerald status - think it is the first time you have been in the forums recently



The Next Day:


???A batch of photos and illustrations removed but the portfolio STILL EXISTS with 2 pages of images(and still stolen images in it)????

Lets get real here... Is this going to be Fotolia policy to just say "oh well let's give these criminals another chance".This sets a bad standard for the ENTIRE INDUSTRY.

TOTAL ELIMINATION AND BAN OF THE OFFENDER with legal action is the ONLY ACCEPTABLE RESPONSE.

A slap on the wrist is NOT acceptable.

« Reply #39 on: April 21, 2008, 04:35 »
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Yeah, surprising they haven't taken this more seriously... unless they are still planning on checking into this further and taking further action.  I can see Fotolia not wanting to be brash in their decision, but on the other hand this seems pretty blatant.

If it ends up that the punishment is simply a slap on the hand that will only encourage others to try and steal images and see how much they can get away with with little fear of any serious consequences.

Contakt

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« Reply #40 on: April 21, 2008, 05:06 »
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Yeah, surprising they haven't taken this more seriously... unless they are still planning on checking into this further and taking further action.  I can see Fotolia not wanting to be brash in their decision, but on the other hand this seems pretty blatant.

If it ends up that the punishment is simply a slap on the hand that will only encourage others to try and steal images and see how much they can get away with with little fear of any serious consequences.


I simply cannot believe that is taking so long to deal with thes gangsters. what is up with thes bozo amdins?

« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2008, 05:29 »
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Yeah, surprising they haven't taken this more seriously... unless they are still planning on checking into this further and taking further action.  I can see Fotolia not wanting to be brash in their decision, but on the other hand this seems pretty blatant.

If it ends up that the punishment is simply a slap on the hand that will only encourage others to try and steal images and see how much they can get away with with little fear of any serious consequences.


I simply cannot believe that is taking so long to deal with thes gangsters. what is up with thes bozo amdins?

bozos might be a bit harsh...

Top Dog Chad is a stand up guy 100%

I have a feeling it may be some strange red tape BS( that needs to be streamlined ASAP to prevent this delayed full on action in the future)

Let's see how the day unfolds.

« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2008, 10:23 »
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If it ends up that the punishment is simply a slap on the hand that will only encourage others to try and steal images and see how much they can get away with with little fear of any serious consequences.

It's almost like that.  Do you see any agency going to sue the guy in Russia?

What ever happened to that guy from Taiwan or HK who also uploaded stolen images a while ago?

Regards,
Adelaide

jsnover

« Reply #43 on: April 21, 2008, 10:50 »
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...TOTAL ELIMINATION AND BAN OF THE OFFENDER with legal action is the ONLY ACCEPTABLE RESPONSE.

I agree. There are a number of mistakes (going overboard with keywords that are marginal, for example) where I think it's quite right to give someone a chance to shape up after a warning.

Image theft deserves no second chance. This isn't an honest mistake, or an accident. It's deliberate and without any possible mitigating circumstances.

I also think the sites in question (DT and FT as far as I can see) have been put on notice that they need to do some more careful monitoring with new submitters (my suggestion in another thread of some image matching on some small/med images was for a combined database across all micros, but even if DT had done this within their own database they'd have caught this guy).

They don't need to monitor every submission this way, just the first 50 or 100 for new submitters. 

« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2008, 11:57 »
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Hey... he stole one of mine with another name (Sergey Andriyanov) and pseudo  >:(

http://www.dreamstime.com/light-bulbs-image4828381



Dreamstime seems to have fixed it. Both Andriyanov accounts have been suspended.

« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2008, 13:33 »
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Good for Dreamstime!!!!!   Right on!!  8)=tom

lisafx

« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2008, 17:28 »
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Good for Dreamstime!!!!!   Right on!!  8)=tom

Agree!  This is the kind of decisive action we need to protect our images from thieves.  Hopefully FT will follow suit and shut this guy down once and for all.   

cphoto

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« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2008, 17:37 »
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Good for Dreamstime!!!!!   Right on!!  8)=tom

Agree!  This is the kind of decisive action we need to protect our images from thieves.  Hopefully FT will follow suit and shut this guy down once and for all.   

Unfortunately the reality is that the most Micro agencies will do is close the user account.  That's it.  It does not matter if the user is in Russia or US.  They simply don't have the resources to engage in a law suite.

I remember when someone hacked my Fotolia account, Fotolia told me that it was happening quite often and that they would not even do an investigation.

When my account was hacked at the same time with StockXpert, I don't think they ever tried to even contact moneybooker to have access to the hacker personal data and bank info...

That being said I agree, agencies should take it much more seriously and also be a little more proactive.

« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2008, 17:48 »
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Looks like the FT portfolio has now been shut down, thank goodness.

« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2008, 17:52 »
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Good for Dreamstime!!!!!   Right on!!  8)=tom

Agree!  This is the kind of decisive action we need to protect our images from thieves.  Hopefully FT will follow suit and shut this guy down once and for all.   

Unfortunately the reality is that the most Micro agencies will do is close the user account.  That's it.  It does not matter if the user is in Russia or US.  They simply don't have the resources to engage in a law suite.

I remember when someone hacked my Fotolia account, Fotolia told me that it was happening quite often and that they would not even do an investigation.

When my account was hacked at the same time with StockXpert, I don't think they ever tried to even contact moneybooker to have access to the hacker personal data and bank info...

That being said I agree, agencies should take it much more seriously and also be a little more proactive.

why your account was broken into at least twice? Was it a short password problem ? I wonder if we should change passwords more often.
« Last Edit: April 21, 2008, 19:27 by vphoto »

cphoto

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« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2008, 13:30 »
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Good for Dreamstime!!!!!   Right on!!  8)=tom

Agree!  This is the kind of decisive action we need to protect our images from thieves.  Hopefully FT will follow suit and shut this guy down once and for all.   

Unfortunately the reality is that the most Micro agencies will do is close the user account.  That's it.  It does not matter if the user is in Russia or US.  They simply don't have the resources to engage in a law suite.

I remember when someone hacked my Fotolia account, Fotolia told me that it was happening quite often and that they would not even do an investigation.

When my account was hacked at the same time with StockXpert, I don't think they ever tried to even contact moneybooker to have access to the hacker personal data and bank info...

That being said I agree, agencies should take it much more seriously and also be a little more proactive.

why your account was broken into at least twice? Was it a short password problem ? I wonder if we should change passwords more often.

My account was broken into the same day with Fotolia and StockXpert.  The password was the same, and a very complex one, combination of letters numbers that did not have any particular meaning.

Interesting enough at the time StockXpert and Fotolia were the only 2 micros not using HTTPS to encrypt the password when you connect to their server.  As of today StockXpert still does not :(

« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2008, 14:07 »
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cphoto:

You are not the first person to report having their microstock account hacked.

My (educated) guess is that you joined a site that was related to microstock and then used the same login/password combination for that other site.

Many people are trusting individuals.  They don't understand that there are a lot of nefarious people out there (including some that are on this forum).

I know of at least one member on this forum that I believe might be stealing passwords from their own personal website.  I don't have any proof of this, so needless to say I can't provide any more details.

My suggestion is to be very careful with your login information.

« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2008, 17:40 »
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I remember when someone hacked my Fotolia account, Fotolia told me that it was happening quite often and that they would not even do an investigation.


I got ripped on FT way back when I first got into this thing.  They were using my credits to buy photos.  I never got a satisfactory explanation out of anyone at FT.  I did get my credits back after a bit of email wars... but it left a bad taste in my mouth.  It was obvious that it was an internal security matter.  I got that out of a woman who was answering phones in NYC.  Evidently they had some people on staff helping themselves??? I don't know, never got an legit answer.

I dumped my folio there except for a couple that sold on a regular basis, in hopes of getting up to the payout level.  But now, they don't sell at all.  I'll never see that money.  I don't reccomend FT to all my photog friends.  =tom

« Reply #53 on: April 23, 2008, 03:36 »
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Hi Scott

Not sure why you put my post on here as I cannot do anything about deleting images?

I would guess that Dino's post regarding certain images reached them on Friday and those images were removed.  Yours was posted once the weekend had started for the US Support so nothing would have been done until their Monday.  I let UK Support know about it as they are ahead of the US timewise and it was dealt with very quickly

RT


« Reply #54 on: April 23, 2008, 04:39 »
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I know of at least one member on this forum that I believe might be stealing passwords from their own personal website.  I don't have any proof of this, so needless to say I can't provide any more details.

That's worrying, but it would explain something I've often wondered about.

« Reply #55 on: April 23, 2008, 04:48 »
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That would only work if the same passwords were used for everywhere, if you have a different password/method for every site then it would not be a problem?

« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2008, 06:22 »
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That would only work if the same passwords were used for everywhere, if you have a different password/method for every site then it would not be a problem?

That is correct.

For example, say I create a microstock website that requires registration and you join it.  If you use the same login/password combination that you use on other sites, then it would be easy for me to take that login/password from my site and go to the other sites and "hack" them.  I could even go to eBay, Amazon, and various email sites and see if you use the same login/password combination on those sites.  If you do, then I have struck gold.

But if you use different logins and passwords on sites, then the registration info that you entered on my (hypothetical) website won't do me any good.

« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2008, 06:51 »
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I highly recommend this program Roboform Just set up add username and password to  website, and forget it when you press login to dreamstime it adds for you it all incrypted in your computer.
http://www.roboform.com/
I forget to mention it does have a password generator
« Last Edit: April 23, 2008, 06:53 by Jack Schiffer »

« Reply #58 on: April 23, 2008, 07:25 »
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I have used keypass in the past
http://keepass.info/

it is free which is nice but i haven't figured out how to automatically log me into sites... maybe it can't.

I think those password protecting programs seem pretty good and useful.  they make it easy to have different passwords everywhere and also can create very strong passwords if you want.

The problem then is... what happens if someone manages to hack into the program....  Maybe they are fool proofed somehow...

« Reply #59 on: April 23, 2008, 07:42 »
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Leaf
Nothing on the internet is secure everything can be cracked but the harder we make it the more secure ower products can be.


« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2008, 12:24 »
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Very interesting about the account hacking.

The other day, I did a Goog search on "Shutterstock secrets" in quotes. What I had in mind was maybe turning up a website or blog with submission tips, you know, just little hints or methods to boost sales. I did not turn up any hints or tips.

What I did turn up though, was a bunch of links to hacker portals, warez sites, torrents to get get shutterstock images (particularly hot vectors). On some further deeper searches (you know I am curious) turned up stuff on hacker sites like "reliable accounts" passwords etc.

With all the virus/trojan stuff out there, I didn't click through to any of the found sites, but it does look like they are out there and Shutterstock is a popular target in the hacker world.

jsnover

« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2008, 13:41 »
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This is a good reminder that we should be careful and I've just set things up so that all my stock sites have different passwords from each other. It was lazy of me to have had them be the same - as noted earlier, it's about making it harder for someone to hack things.


 

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