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« on: December 08, 2010, 13:44 »
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According this this article, yes. Most people now reach for their smartphones.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/In-Smartphone-Era-nytimes-1102949571.html?x=0


« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2010, 14:31 »
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Another example for The Innovator's Dilemma.  They just have to be good enough for Point&Shoots to fall out of favor.  And of course that ignores the benefits of smartphone cameras for sharing and annotation and editing.

« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2010, 14:41 »
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What seems to happen is as soon as a technology is nearing the point of perfection, or at least being really good, it gets superseded. Or perhaps when a new technology is just a lot easier to use and is cheap, it drives a nail into its competition.

vonkara

« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2010, 15:02 »
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It's useless to have 3 devices on you, one to play music, one to take pics and one to call people. A cell phone taking 5mpx pictures, 720p videos, with minimum 16gb of memory for music and have the abilities to call and go on the internet, that's the dream.

And it's available now. No need of more devices in my opinion.

lisafx

« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2010, 15:02 »
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I still haven't gotten used to the idea of using my phone to take snapshots.  I like the extras a point and shoot gives, like extra zoom, onboard flash, etc.  Probably all that will be on phones soon too, if it isn't already... :)

« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2010, 15:28 »
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I still haven't gotten used to the idea of using my phone to take snapshots.  I like the extras a point and shoot gives, like extra zoom, onboard flash, etc.  Probably all that will be on phones soon too, if it isn't already... :)

I know. I have a Droid and I love it, but doing some things on it is still tedious. I was thinking of going back to just a regular phone, no bells and whistles, and getting an ipad and a point and shoot. Heck the p&s's nowadays are pocket size and the ipad is big enough to actually read (for those of us middle-agers) and type on (for those of us with fat fingers).

My cellphone camera takes great pics outside on a sunny day but totally sucks in low light. But then my last phone which was not a smartphone, the Alias, had a flash on the camera. Not sure why I pay twice as much for a smartphone to get a camera with no flash. ???

« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2010, 15:30 »
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What seems to happen is as soon as a technology is nearing the point of perfection, or at least being really good, it gets superseded. Or perhaps when a new technology is just a lot easier to use and is cheap, it drives a nail into its competition.

And sometimes the inferior product wins out. Remember Betamax vs VHS?
My iPhone is my snapshot camera simply because I don't own any other point n shoot.
Who wants to lug a full frame SLR around every day? It also is my mobile web. I'm writing this on the iPhone.
Very handy this convergence thing... but it's a trade off of convenience over quality.

« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2010, 19:37 »
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. but it's a trade off of convenience over quality.

I see see us all with full HD video and camera options built into our contact lenses uploading continuously to our key fob mainframe.

« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2010, 19:44 »
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I see see us all with full HD video and camera options built into our contact lenses uploading continuously to our key fob mainframe.

What you aren't doing that already...?  ;D

« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2010, 20:04 »
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The point and shoot I'm lusting after is the Canon G-12, so maybe when a smart phone shoots RAW I might consider it.  Otherwise, I'm OK just having my simple basic phone for emergency calls. 

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2010, 21:23 »
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It would be great if I could use my cellphone to take snapshots instead of my P&S. The P&S is just another device to carry.

Just like people who had PDAs and phones strapped to their belt. Those days are gone.

But I'm not seeing any phones that are good enough to replace a solid P&S. Iphone seems good but not quite there yet.

Soon...

RacePhoto

« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2010, 00:11 »
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I still haven't gotten used to the idea of using my phone to take snapshots.  I like the extras a point and shoot gives, like extra zoom, onboard flash, etc.  Probably all that will be on phones soon too, if it isn't already... :)

Over two years ago the daylight balanced mini flash was announced, touted as making it an addition to cell phones. I haven't seen it in production, but they are already developed. I was searching for Xenon flash tubes for an old strobe unit and came across the article. Actually I'm kind of surprised that they haven't appeared on phones yet, now that you mention it.

I may have to buy a cell phone with a good camera, instead of one that makes phone calls. I'm a dumb phone user, pay by the minute, which runs under $100 a year total for my cell phone usage. Obviously I don't text, and don't make many chatty conversation calls. (just pizza pickup and emergencies...)  ;D I still want a bumper sticker that says "Shut Up and Drive" but they already have some for a campaign against texting, which is even more shocking to me, that people can look down and text while driving, when some people can't even drive and talk at the same time without having an accident!

OK I'm guilty of driving with one hand and snapping pictures, I shouldn't protest too much?  ;)

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2010, 18:03 »
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Photos made with (smart) phones look cool on those small oversaturated displays, but really ugly once downloaded to a proper computer. I like new technologies but I will never exchange quality for convenience. Even p&s are already a trade-off compared to a proper dSLR - except perhaps a few "bridge" cameras which are quite expensive and not so small in the end. It's still a long way before they can squeeze good optics inside a small lens imo, although theoretically possible thinking at how our human eyes work.
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2010, 11:39 »
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A couple of years back I uploaded a couple of photos taken from my mobile which were also upsized, to a few agencies. To my 'Big' suprise one of the top 6 agencies accepted one of them, the other was rejected for compositional reasons. I've since taken the image off.

« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2010, 12:09 »
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Photos made with (smart) phones look cool on those small oversaturated displays, but really ugly once downloaded to a proper computer. I like new technologies but I will never exchange quality for convenience. Even p&s are already a trade-off compared to a proper dSLR - except perhaps a few "bridge" cameras which are quite expensive and not so small in the end. It's still a long way before they can squeeze good optics inside a small lens imo, although theoretically possible thinking at how our human eyes work.

I  see thousands of images a week... on occasion some taken with a cell phone... and i'm not in the least worried the good point and shoot is in trouble.
And as mentioned above a good point and shoot is not the cheap camera,  you can find cheaper DSLR cameras than some of those bridge/point and shoot, delivering much better quality than the point and shoot.
A few days ago when walking in town i saw a  (panasonic & pentax, 10 mpx) DSLR with kit lens for about 299 in a store window.  Now try finding a good bridge/point and shoot for that price, meaning.... one that delivers quality accepted by stock sites.

Patrick.

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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2010, 12:51 »
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Photos made with (smart) phones look cool on those small oversaturated displays, but really ugly once downloaded to a proper computer. I like new technologies but I will never exchange quality for convenience. Even p&s are already a trade-off compared to a proper dSLR - except perhaps a few "bridge" cameras which are quite expensive and not so small in the end. It's still a long way before they can squeeze good optics inside a small lens imo, although theoretically possible thinking at how our human eyes work.

I  see thousands of images a week... on occasion some taken with a cell phone... and i'm not in the least worried the good point and shoot is in trouble.
And as mentioned above a good point and shoot is not the cheap camera,  you can find cheaper DSLR cameras than some of those bridge/point and shoot, delivering much better quality than the point and shoot.
A few days ago when walking in town i saw a  (panasonic & pentax, 10 mpx) DSLR with kit lens for about 299 in a store window.  Now try finding a good bridge/point and shoot for that price, meaning.... one that delivers quality accepted by stock sites.
Patrick.

Give it a couple or three years. Cameras like the Panasonic GF and Sony NEX will be smaller, more refined, and cheaper than they are now. And by then Canon and Nikon will probably have gotten off the sidelines and started producing similar products.

One of these phone manufacturers would be smart to make a phone geared toward photographers. There are a gazillion pros and amateur enthusiasts who would go ga-ga over something like this.


 

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