Author Topic: Time to create a new sustainable stock agency (Read 19490 times)

trabuco · « **Reply #75 on:** December 22, 2020, 02:30 »

There is one company that have a great chance to overcome the two big ones now. A smart movement would be to claim a better deal with this company, because I think they are really not interested in to get more pennies from contributors. They actually can rise the royalties if they want.

kall3bu · « **Reply #76 on:** December 22, 2020, 02:45 »

Are you talking about Pond5?

trabuco · « **Reply #77 on:** December 22, 2020, 05:09 »

No, Adobe The Giant.

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Adobe Stock

A microstock agency that presently provides over 57 million high-resolution, royalty-free images and videos available to license (via subscription or credit purchase methods). In 2015, Adobe acquired Fotolia, a stock content marketplace founded in 2005 by Thibaud Elziere, Oleg Tscheltzoff, and Patrick Chassany which operated in 23 countries.[64] It is run as a stand-alone website.

Adobe Experience Platform

In March 2019, Adobe released its Adobe Experience Platform, which consists family of content, development, and customer relationship management products, with what it calls the "next generation" of its Sensei artificial intelligence and machine learning framework.[65]

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From 1995 to 2013, Fortune ranked Adobe as "an outstanding place to work". Adobe was rated the 5th best U.S. company to work for in 2003, 6th in 2004, 31st in 2007, 40th in 2008, 11th in 2009, 42nd in 2010, 65th in 2011, 41st in 2012, and 83rd in 2013.[66] In October 2008, Adobe Systems Canada Inc. was named one of "Canada's Top 100 Employers" by Mediacorp Canada Inc. and was featured in Maclean's newsmagazine.[67]

Adobe has a five-star privacy rating from the Electronic Frontier Foundation.[68]

The Company is already there. Stock is not a main part of it, is a part of its project to rule all the business.

trabuco · « **Reply #78 on:** December 22, 2020, 05:43 »

I mean:

Main goal of SS and IS: earn money with stock. Cut royalties is a logical move.
Main goal of AS: earn money with software. Cut royalties is not a logical move, because they want to become a monopoly in other area. The logical move is to get good creators of content to support their software area. So their customers don't have to go anywhere else.

How do I get these creators? Stealing them to s.h.it.ty companies. The best move is to get all of them if I can, which is easy, because they treat the creators like sh.it.

Horizon · « **Reply #79 on:** December 22, 2020, 06:14 »

Quote from: farbled on December 20, 2020, 11:52

Quote from: Uncle Pete on December 20, 2020, 11:26
Lisafx had a working site, then it was re-written, she paid for that. Last I looked, it wasn't functional at all. That was with someone professional who made changes to keep it working. Maybe the code could be purchased from KTools Photo Store as a starter, then developed. Cost vs return how much demand?

I doubt it would be worth the effort honestly. For me it was ease of use and that it allowed a lot of variables that the Wordpress plugins don't seem to, right off the shelf (video preview, multi contribs, separated payment modules, etc). I also found that I didn't need extensive tech skills to run it compared to some of the more involved WP plugins, and I have tried most of them.

For the money and amount of work, it would be easier to buy an existing agency I bet, and rebrand, toss all the collections and start fresh with exclusive stuff.

At the end of the day, its all just software and (relatively) easily dealt with, compared to establishing sales and marketing your brand. I still maintain there is no point competing in the same sphere as the MS agencies (ie via random google search), and is better to branch out to areas they don't seem to work in. That is the tough bit in my opinion.

I still have my site. I use the WP Photo Seller plugin currently, does the job but is very basic.

In the days of Lisafx! there was a whole string of photographers who had working sites. Some guy founded an agency called " warmstock " and he picked and invited about 50 of the very best and most prolific stock shooters at the time. This was of course a great idea and still it didnt work!! about a year later the agency folded and gone!....he who founded the agency said that it was simply too much work!

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #80 on:** December 22, 2020, 10:24 »

Quote from: Horizon on December 22, 2020, 06:14

Quote from: farbled on December 20, 2020, 11:52
Quote from: Uncle Pete on December 20, 2020, 11:26
Lisafx had a working site, then it was re-written, she paid for that. Last I looked, it wasn't functional at all. That was with someone professional who made changes to keep it working. Maybe the code could be purchased from KTools Photo Store as a starter, then developed. Cost vs return how much demand?

I doubt it would be worth the effort honestly. For me it was ease of use and that it allowed a lot of variables that the Wordpress plugins don't seem to, right off the shelf (video preview, multi contribs, separated payment modules, etc). I also found that I didn't need extensive tech skills to run it compared to some of the more involved WP plugins, and I have tried most of them.

For the money and amount of work, it would be easier to buy an existing agency I bet, and rebrand, toss all the collections and start fresh with exclusive stuff.

At the end of the day, its all just software and (relatively) easily dealt with, compared to establishing sales and marketing your brand. I still maintain there is no point competing in the same sphere as the MS agencies (ie via random google search), and is better to branch out to areas they don't seem to work in. That is the tough bit in my opinion.

I still have my site. I use the WP Photo Seller plugin currently, does the job but is very basic.

In the days of Lisafx! there was a whole string of photographers who had working sites. Some guy founded an agency called " warmstock " and he picked and invited about 50 of the very best and most prolific stock shooters at the time. This was of course a great idea and still it didnt work!! about a year later the agency folded and gone!....he who founded the agency said that it was simply too much work!

Yes I mentioned that before but thanks for bringing it up again. Good summary, and yes a bunch of people were angry they were not picked but honestly, the plan was a good one. Get established people with a good selection and good numbers of images. (proven sales numbers) I'm still not sure what too much work actually meant, but I assumed it was all about hours and hours, managing the site. I also don't remember what his percentage was or the artists. Jo Ann is still here, she was one of the more active. (I see now 50%)

djpadavona 2012

https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/what-if-we-had-a-cooperative-distribution-channel/

Good comments on page one from the guy starting PicturEngine which isn't in existence using the links, it was basically about his agency thread. djpadavona had written twice that only one person was helping manage and run the site. I'm sure there are more, I just picked an interesting thread.

Quote from: Tenebroso on December 21, 2020, 17:39

I don't want to bring you to anything or anywhere. I simply have the conviction that the union of artists is necessary. Saving the intermediary is something that will bring us many advantages. Therefore, I firmly believe in what I say. To the point of working to make it a reality.

I accept your perspective. I accept your comments, I accept everything. I only say what I think. What you think is not contrary to my words.

You, logically, are free to comment and act as you deem appropriate. A hug and happy holidays if you are used to celebrating them.

If you don't celebrate Christmas, may the new year not be like this 2020.

I'd suggest a co-op as a group of artists and not a "union". Unless that's what you mean and it's just words for the same concept.

Interesting reading the back and forth and good ideas. I think Farbled has a good perspective in that, a group could get together that has complimentary images for the most part and for a specialty site. That doesn't mean no other subjects, just that the main thrust of the small agency is topical. The rest could still be there, since the system is in place.

On the other side, a co-op of artists would be a broad marketplace, offering diversity.

I never heard about the how many images before someone looks. Wouldn't they have to look before they knew how many images?

Yes, since that evil Grinch Leaf took away the ability to include a small image in the sig line, I'll just have to add this in the message?

Everyone - Everywhere

Including Leaf

steheap · « **Reply #81 on:** December 22, 2020, 15:03 »

I can't recall the percentage now, but the downfall was a big change that Google made to their search results in early 2013. As a result of this, the traffic to the site from Google searches was reduced by about 50% and that made it much less attractive. I think the biggest issue that Dan had was that he had to track all the commissions, payout earnings and, in particular, manage the tax aspects of that on his own business.

So the same problem as ever - very difficult to get buyers to the site and the Google changes put the nail in the coffin. It was probably the same changes that Dreamstime sued them about I would guess.

Steve

Tenebroso · « **Reply #82 on:** December 22, 2020, 15:37 »

@ Uncle Pete ............... you can name the group whatever you want, it is not relevant.

Each phrase can be discussed for seven lives. Each one is capable, some with more time than others, of placing a series of words in a row that can convince another person. These correctly placed words can be from two totally opposite realities.

Conclusion, for potential customers consider visiting a website, that website must contribute something. The more you contribute, the more chances of motivating potential customers simply to access the page. Of many clients accessing the page, a website that offers something, and that has an offer, and that has advantages over agencies, only at that time, a client will buy.

If the customer is satisfied, they will continue at their own pace by purchasing products on this website. Perhaps, if we get many to access a website with a great offer and with advantages, we may get a second client.

If the web does not offer a great deal, in principle, no one will bother to access the web.

If it's the best website on the planet, if no one knows it exists, no one will come close. However, the first thing is to create it, the first step is to create the space for 24/7 to be a complement to the existing demand.

farbled · « **Reply #83 on:** December 22, 2020, 17:08 »

Quote from: steheap on December 22, 2020, 15:03

I can't recall the percentage now, but the downfall was a big change that Google made to their search results in early 2013. As a result of this, the traffic to the site from Google searches was reduced by about 50% and that made it much less attractive. I think the biggest issue that Dan had was that he had to track all the commissions, payout earnings and, in particular, manage the tax aspects of that on his own business.

So the same problem as ever - very difficult to get buyers to the site and the Google changes put the nail in the coffin. It was probably the same changes that Dreamstime sued them about I would guess.

Steve

Yeah, I can see how that would do it. That's why I don't think relying on google and other search engines is a viable plan. Not anymore. If Dreamstime or similar sized companies couldn't do it effectively, what chance does a smaller site have?

Someone will find a way to find new clients instead of chasing the existing ones. That's where (in my opinion) someone can still make some money.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #84 on:** December 22, 2020, 17:32 »

Quote from: Tenebroso on December 22, 2020, 15:37

@ Uncle Pete ............... you can name the group whatever you want, it is not relevant.

Thanks, it was just understanding that a Union is far different from a co-op a group site or partners. I'm glad I asked. Now I understand you were just saying, people need to get together and work together, not that they should form a Trade Union. Got It!

Quote from: steheap on December 22, 2020, 15:03

I can't recall the percentage now, but the downfall was a big change that Google made to their search results in early 2013. As a result of this, the traffic to the site from Google searches was reduced by about 50% and that made it much less attractive. I think the biggest issue that Dan had was that he had to track all the commissions, payout earnings and, in particular, manage the tax aspects of that on his own business.

So the same problem as ever - very difficult to get buyers to the site and the Google changes put the nail in the coffin. It was probably the same changes that Dreamstime sued them about I would guess.

Steve

Yeah that and what Farbled said that DT took a big hit in traffic also. Another "the rich get richer and get more traffic" while the small are swept off into the darkness.

Interesting.

Tenebroso · « **Reply #85 on:** December 22, 2020, 17:36 »

Google. Very interesting.

For years, Google has been my enemy. For my interest, and just for my interest, Google is my new best friend. We all know Google, therefore, since we know it and a lot, we will use it.

If I can make Google fall in love, I will fight to keep our love. Every day I will whisper my love in her ear. It doesn't bother me if you call me a prostitute in front of Google, I love it.

Translated, part of my team has been with Google for months, preparing a matrix website, where we will use the Google search engine, or part of what they give access to open source, so that the client can find images. A very interesting website, with a great service to anyone looking for an image. It is very advanced.

Reality always surpasses fiction, Romeo and Juliet are a joke with Google and me.

Google is fundamental in the Group. From having him by our side to not having him, it is like night to day. I am not worried about the rest of the search engine. Even the ones that are open source and I have participated. I'm only interested in Google.

Tenebroso · « **Reply #86 on:** December 22, 2020, 19:19 »

Yes, it is time to create a platform to sell. The right moment. And we will not be the only one.

The parent website (Image Search) will filter only individual files for sale. I do not believe that the user of free images enters this search engine. This service is not in the interest of these users.

The website is mine, therefore, I decide the order in which the searches appear, there will be filters, the client knows where they are and what they want when using this website.

It will place in the first searches the images that can be acquired without registration, acquire individually without any monthly or annual package, therefore images of several very specific groups that offer what the client needs will appear in the first searches, one image, one, in the following order:

- Voluntary donation of the client for the artist, with a minimum of money so that the collection company manages the sale and is an income superior to the standard subscriptions that we all know.

- Donation of 50% for the artist and the other 50% for the charitable organization of a specific list, where the client can choose to donate 100% to the artist or copyright owner if they wish.

- In third position will appear the images for sale individually that the group has determined a fixed price.

- In fourth position will appear the images of the group of artists who put the price themselves.

- In fifth position will appear the searches on the images to be acquired individually with a high price in the group of images made available for sale at a high price.

From these groups that are all formed under the same umbrella, but different platforms, it will index images from SS, AS, DP, and DT through affiliate links. I hope that whoever needs to buy an image will visit the web.

There is no percentage for me, I already told you that we were going to skip the intermediary, the agency. Don't worry about me.

You can never change the percentages. It's in the group's acceptance rules. The group cannot change the percentages, the money goes from the client to the artist through the international payment and collection management platforms.

Simply put, client and artist. And each group is different. The groups decide many details themselves. The group as a whole on a majority basis. No one will be accepted if the group does not decide to accept with a public reason. No one who does not have a public portfolio with a minimum of 2 years can request its entry.

Since it takes a lot of work to make a group, we will do five. The work is the same.

Not everyone can be in these groups. It is not allowed to be at all. There are a maximum number of artists for each group. You cannot belong to all the groups, you will have to choose, in case you are interested in any.

I'm leaving, I've already talked too much. Next year I see you. I wish you happy holidays and a spectacular entry into the year.

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